I’ve been driving mine for nearly three years and have had zero problems with it. And it’s my daily driver “all year car” over here in Sweden. It’s my first Alfa and it has exceeded all expectations. A pleasure to own and drive. And I do not understand Jays comments on the brakes. I am somewhat of a “hard driver” and for me they are good brakes.
tjenare, skulle du recommendera det till mig, speciellt efter alla jag känner säger köp inte den pga reliability och efter jag nu hörde video om dess bromsar, vilket ska man inte ta på skoj alls (vill inte dö)? vilken årsmodell har du köpt och har du köpt med extra längre garanti?
@@mirteza5ghorbani Har haft två stycken (180hp diesel) och båda har varit felfria förutom att jag fick byta svänghjul nyligen. Då har den dock gått 160000km. Kör ganska hårt för det mesta. Köp automat då den lådan är grym på alla vis
Your comment on reliability annoys me because it's wrong. These things are more reliable than their German counter parts and Alfa have definitely shaken their poor reliability of the 70s in recent years.
@@Daumex Why does the number of engine variants in one model matter for manufacturer reliability (which was the reviewers original assertions .. i.e. that Alfa has reliability concerns in general)? I don’t think engine issues are the major source of reliability issues anyway. Reliability is simply the proportion of customers that have major issues of some kind. The stats in this regard speak in Alfa’s favor, had the reviewer done even some basic research instead of citing cliches.
@@mattcrocker7601 He was reporting on his own and his family's Alfas though, which were troublesome. I have lost all trust for German brands (they truly are bad quality these days) but I'm still not convinced Alfa is much better. They have always been high maintenance cars - is something now different?
I've been fortunate to have 2 of them as company cars and driven the Quad extensively. They are absolutely wonderful cars to drive and own. The owners seem to adore them and are quite loyal once they take the leap. The improvements made over the years are not negligible and driving a 2021 refresh model vs a 2017, you can feel the difference in build quality. Although some early cars have had software issues, the improved later ones are proving to be quite reliable with very few of them in service bays. Lifes too short....buy an Alfa:)
Agree on the handling. Suspension and steering are quite special. I have driven both and, in that department, I truly believe it is better than the 3 series
@@freddiejones4598 lol premium cars are 85% leased in north American...most ot them 39 months or less....way under warranty expiry. That being said the biggest issues remain dealer accessibility. If you find yourself getting one from an authorized Alfa - Maserati dealer that's part of a luxury group , your service should be better
Veloce Ti is actually the next trim down from the Quadrifoglio. 3 years of owing my Veloce and it hasn’t skipped a beat , I don’t find any issue with braking either . It’s also worth mentioning that Alfa listened about the interior trim and improvements were made over the launch spec . To be honest I think car journalists automatically default to knocking Alfas because it’s the done thing . I’ve had more issues and problems with Audis and BMWs that I’ve owned over the years . I’ve never had anyone comment on those cars either on the petrol station. My Giulia puts a huge smile on my face . The Georgio platform incidentally is not being scrapped either , it’s will be adopted for future EV models however
Have to agree. I've a Veloce too - brakes are perfect / don't have an issue in traffic nor on the twisties. Not sure what the issue is ? Yes the plastics are a bit cheapie - but the drive is excellent. It's one of my favorite cars.
USA 2017 Giulia TI sport owner here. We didn’t get Veloce till 22, the TI sport is our equivalent. Now for 22 the TI sport is gone and it’s Sprint, TI, and Veloce. The braking is annoying, I think after nearly 2 years of driving I’ve finally figured out how to come to a very smooth stop, the easiest way to do it is if you shift manually into first when you come to a stop so you can time it and let out the brake for a moment as the engine braking comes on, then back on the brake. In all the Giulia is a great sports sedan for those who love cars. Also here in the US we have the Jeep Grand Cherokee and GC L, they are both on Giorgio extended wheelbase. Also Maserati just came out with the grecale which is a crossover on Giorgio similar size to stelvio. Giorgio is not dead yet!
I am probably double your age and love my Giulia, equipped similarly to your test car, but red with gold wheels. I have an ECU tune on mine, and it is brisk. Thankfully, mine has been totally reliable after 4 years and 26,000 miles. I am in the US and a member of the local Alfa club, and I couldn't be happier with it.
@@DavidColex I would estimate 320, though it is just a guess. Why would you say 2.0 is puny? It is the most common size out there today, and about what most of my cars have been, although I did have a 2006 Audi S4 with Milltek exhaust. However, it was a heavy old thing so power to weight was likely similar..
Having a car do only 26.000 miles and bragging about it not breaking down isn’t a good flex , no car should break down or have any issues until way over 100.000 miles , I drive BMWs and Audis and I do 40.000 a year and get nearly 200k out of them before swapping them and never gave any issues , you need to see how your Alfa holds up after 100k, they are gorgeous cars , I would have one over any bmw or Audi if it wasn’t for the reliability , in the uk they are not highly rated as reliable , actually I think it was at the bottom
I agree. I have a red one at the moment, which has been superb so far. Will be trading it in for an end of run Veloce (and hopefully a Quadrifoglio) in a couple of years time for this exact reason
As a 25yr old I can confirm after having a giulia veloce for 2 months it is a very good car for the price especially if you fancy something different to a 3 series and you are not massively fussed on all the in car gadgets
The reliability reputation and the fact they are not an AUDI/BM/MERC resulted in low volume sales which is SUCH a shame because these are actually EXCELLENT cars. Especially the 280bhp veloce, great all rounder, 5.1s to 60, comfortable and practical, the lot
I bought a new 2017 Giulia Ti Q4 with sport and performance packages and have put on 46,000 trouble free miles in about 4 1/2 years. This model was one of the first cars to have break by wire and it works flawlessly, great stopping power and no fade. He obviously has or bought a used Giulia and who knows how or where this car was driven, which probably accounts for whatever break issues he had. It is a high quality sport sedan that gives you about everything you really need and the performance of this car far out strips anything in its class. This car makes me feel like I'm part of the car while driving and not just driving the car like the Merc, BMW and Audis that I have driven. People talk about the passion of Italian cars and I'm here to tell you that's a real thing. If you're buying a used one look carefully and find the one that has been well cared for and you won't regret it.
Usual clichés, it doesn't help when the reviewer really doesn't want to like it. Its not German and therefore I want one and its more reliable and nicer to drive
4 months into my Oct 22 Giulia and loving my Veloce. The brakes are great and inspire confidence, there is nothing unusual about the feel of them at all. Handling superb, comfort very good, reliability 100%, surprisingly refined, interior overall could be a little more exciting in its design, the fact you can no longer order tan or red leather-only black-makes it a little dull inside. Still a nicely designed interior, but not quite as stunning inside as a 156 or 159 in terms of design. Wonderful looking car in Misano blue, rare and special, you stand out from the crowd, especially in the monotone road-scape of 2023.
I totally get the appeal of Alfa. My most recent experience in one (a 156 twin spark 170) was regrettably a few years back now, but the “sense of occasion” it gave me every time I drove it can still be remembered. It was a car I always looked back at after parking and walking away from. Nothing since has been quite the same. Kinda like the girl I knew I shoulda married, but let go…. 😢
I drive a 2011 mito 1.4 benzin and my favourite thing about Alfas is the community. Here in Hungary we wave to other Alfas when we see them on the road. It always puts a smile on my face.
I have one of these, great to drive and look at, its actually really good fuel for what it is, and it has plenty of torque so it feels very quick. As for reliability, mechanically very good, electrical stuff there are a few minot things, they tend to have battery issues but its cheap to replace and the alarm issue, goes off in heavy rain sometimes but other than that reliability is good. I am sure these issues were ironed out in the 2020 models.
It's keeping up with the big boys and it's an Alfa. I'd get one in a heartbeat and never look back. In red, of course. Good work on the review also. Made me want it more.
Its not because of the bhp limit, but because of the annual tax rate which is proportionate to the power of the car. For a Quadrifoglio you would need 5500€ a year just in tax, not to mention insurance or any other costs, its just super high. The italian goverment sucks out of its citizens 850 bilion euros a year, yet the German government takes only 450 a year even though it has double the amount of citizens. Its all made up so that the south of Italy can have a similar quality of life as the north, because the GDP per capita differences are massive, Milan economically is as powerful as Munich, yet Palermo is worse than Bucarest, so the gap has to be bridged with heavy, heavy taxation. Its basically buying social peace, and if it wouldn't be for it a civil war would start and the country would split into many states like it used to be before unification. Here you have it, short story long haha.
Can I just clarify: contrary to Jay's claims that the Giulia still suffers reliability issues. Not so. It came 3rd from top in a 100 cars surveyed in 2019. There's no major issues with braking... I go on Alfa forum & AROC. What Jay doesn't mention is Euro NCap safety rating: 98% for adult safety, 69% for child safety & 60% for pedestrian safety. Convinced Jay doesn't understand Alfas.
@@JayEmmOnCars Well, I'm going by owning nothing but Alfas since 2006, albeit not the new Giulia. This is with a wife who's a wheelchair user.(incl. 3x156s, 159 1750 TBI & a GT Busso 3.2). I have no horror stories. The only issues are age related you get with all cars. The Guilietta & Giulia better my cars, from long-term owners. Nothing wrong with owner surveys. Much better than independent mag reviews.
I had one of these as I just didn’t want to get yet another German car. Absolutely awesome machine and actually I was absolutely fine with it’s weaknesses. Without these it would be quite so Italian, would it ?!!
Have no idea what your problem with the brakes are. I'm on my second Giulia and have had no problem with them, in traffic or on a track. And I have no problem with the interior materials, its nicer than any of the six Porsche 911s I've owned.
Great choice for a young person if you can afford it! My mate is 19 and has a Giulia just like this, same engine same colour. Why would anyone buy a 3 series or an A4 when you can get this!! Just looks epic.
@@celticmist8790 i have an e46 330i clubsport, while yes its not in exactly the same class as the alfa as its a lot older i would argue that it is much more special feeling, and has a much nicer engine in terms of sounf and power delivery while producing roundabout the same amount of power. The steering is excellent and the handling is definitely superior to the alfa. In terms of styling i would also argue it is as special if not more so than the alfa and it is also 1 of 988 built for the uk. The new alfas are nice cars but the only one that stands out is the quadrifolio to me, a sporty car of that size needs more than 4 cylinders.
If you are a true driving enthusiast their is only one option. The Alfa. Blows the Germans away in the driving dynamics department imo. So much more fun to drive. The front end is so sharp and direct yet it’s very compliant at the same time. Fantastic.
Ive had a '17 Giulia ti sport for almost a year, driven it cross country, over many two-lane mountain passes, six high speed lapping events and one autocross at two race tracks, the brakes are awesome, but the technique for a smooth stop is a little different than a conventional pedal. takes about 5 mins of practice to get it right, and the steering is one turn to lock with a great feel to boot.
What a beautiful car. This is a dream daily for me. The technology and interior is very behind compared to germans but the styling, they look a lot more special, and the ethos is very different
I own a 2018 Super which is the 200hp version but it has the “Veloce pack” so it looks like a Veloce. I agree with Jay on the throttle lag (not turbo lag, just a throttle lag) and the brakes do have an odd feeling in traffic when coming to a stop. Other than that, I love it. Looks fantastic, drives brilliantly (although that extra 80HP would be nice). Been reliable for me.
14k kms in my Giulia now - from new. Just great looking car, fun to drive and rock solid - no issues at all. the surprising thing is the economy - i get 4L on highway driving which is ridiculous for a car of this size and power. No complaints.
My first car was a alfa mito 2 2 jtdm. My current car is a alfa guilia estrema 2.2. Never had a problem with it and ot runs amazing. My sister has a bmw m440i xdrive after she had a c classe and both had trouble after trouble. She is considering an alfa based on my exp
@@miltosvekiaris8771 what engine do you have in yours? The GT is the best looking, best driving car at its price point. After parking you will ALWAYS turn back and give it one more glance. I will keep it if I don't get a 105 series coupe in the future.
2020 Giulia Veloce Q4, 20.000 miles. Are you sure we‘re speaking of the same car? Besides being excited every day when entering the cabin (quality AND appeal), I had no mentionable problems. And I‘m saying that after having 13 BMs…
I don’t know how it works in the Uk, but out here in Oz, a new Giulia Veloce will set you back around $80k while a second hand one from as early as 2017 will still set you back around $45k plus. So, a unless you are a young person with no responsibilities and a very decent income it’s hardly a car that a young person could remotely afford. As an older person, i can’t afford such a car, even if I wanted to and i do like them, so for the time being i will continue to daily drive my 2007 BMW 323i with 215,000 on the clock. One day, i will change onto something else. A Giulia would be nice but i will have to wait until they are available for under $20k. Might have to wait some more years yet.
Strange how Alfa's are remembered for occasional flaky reliability, but if BMW or VAG cars have issues, like timing chains on N47 or EA888 engines nobody seems to mention it.
Our 2019 (19) Veloce Ti has CarPlay and Android auto but no touch screen, which is fine with me. The later 2020 cars had the major infotainment upgrade. The brakes take some getting used to but having spent the best part of 2k miles motoring up to and around the northern edge of Scotland recently, I got used to them, and to be fair, they were pretty darned good. The ride and handling is superb and outclasses by a very , very long way the previous M4 and RS5. It’s also prettier. I do find the gearing annoyingly short, especially in first and second where it feels like the torque is being held back. This is our third Giulia. The first two were utter lemons with issues compounded by the dealership and were rejected. This one came from another main dealer and was a steal at the price we paid. It was barely run in and came with 3years warranty and two years servicing included. It is a thing of joy. I wish it was a QF tho because they’re silly and we need more of that these days.
I'm taking a good look at picking up a used Veloce in the States. You can get low mileage, fairly new model for $27k-$30k. It turns out that these cars are not actually that bad on reliability and cheaper to maintain/repair than its German equivalents.
Interesting. I always liked the looks of the Giulia, but until now I thought of them as pretty pricey if you want a model with reasonable specs. Now I found out that it's just a few grand more than the 1.8l Giulietta with automatic transmission, which until now was the most likely candidate for my next car after my current 147 practically died recently after carrying me well through my first 5 years on the road.
I do want one of these at some point. Or the Stelvio. Either way a 280hp AWD car with automatic transmission would be an absolutely perfect daily driver.
2 months ago, i buyed the 2.0 tb 200cv rw, becouse is the same engine of the veloce and than i remapped to 280cv like veloce..... now its a beast less heavy better balanced .... its a very good car fast and agile!!!!!
Alfa hasn’t said they WONT be making any new rear wheel drive cars. That said I’m very concerned about Stellantis giving us some badge-engineered car. The Giorgio platform is special. How many daily driver sedans have something like a steering rack out of a Ferrari 458?
The funny thing when watching an Alfa review is when a person say it knows nothing about Alfa, and then says how the button for this or that is in the "wrong" place, not like in the BMW where everything is "where you should expect to find". :) What is more funny when they say how Alfa steering is very quick like that should not be the default for a sports car (coughBMW). Ah, human subjectivity... :)
The 200 hp base model has exactly the same engine block as the Veloce. It's merely throttled down a lot. A proper remap will give you an even better power and torque curve. Then 310 hp can be achieved at little extra cost. The sluggish transmission is because of the standard software. A proper transmission tuning will make this ZF 8-speed blisteringly fast!
Does anyone know how much of a difference the Q2 differential in the Giulia makes ? Currently trying to make my mind up between the Jaguar XE p300 and the Giulia. Many thanks in advance !
I own a veloce too. 67 plate with 52k miles. Biggest gripe: can't turn off traction control on UK models and the easy access seating can't be turned off which crushes the legs of passengers behind the driver. However I love it, but it's got typical Alfa electrical woes. Every now and then it will throw a fault and then next start clear itself. Sometimes I have to clear with a scanner, but hey ho. The drive and handling are amazing and even driving in "A" mode I find it brisk enough when I put my foot down. It's a shame they're not continuing with it as I would have loved another new one in a few years
I own the exact model and never managed to average below 13 lt in the city. But while driving outside the city and when I paid attention and obeyed the speed limits I averaged somewhere around 9 and 10 liters. Fuel consumption is the only weak point of this car. Other than that it's beautiful it's fast and it is different from everything else
Hi Jay. I see you' driven the two cars I have shortlisted to buy: the Giulia Veloce and the Stinger GT2. Both used 2017ish. Two different animals, I know... My daily driver is a manual 350 SLK, but I need a proper car for medium haul trips (Lisbon is 3 hours away) with decent boot capabilities (no kids but wife loves luggage...). Coming from a 430d which has basically bored me to death. But I liked a few trip comfort gadgets such as the HUD. Bloody though choice...
I had 7x Alfas and never had any major issues with reliability. So the Alfa reliability issue maybe a bit of a myth especially if regular maintenance is not not maintained
I’ve an oil burner version with the diff, never noticed a problem with the breaks, but I did fit PS4 after a month, the run flats were dangerous in the wet. Throttle response is a bit ott in d mode.
Would you believe that in Italy we simply aren’t allowed to drive these kinds of cars even if they’re just considered “mid range specs?” Everything upwards of 250 HP gets heavily taxed, and each year you’ve got to pay thousands of euros. It takes a money pit to even own one.
Neighbor had one of these. Reliability is this cars achilles heel. Looks fantastic, drives phenomenally, and is as reliable as a politician. It’s a disaster.
Generalisation that. I manage a fleet of nearly 200k vehicles across all manufacturers. None of them are without issue. These days it’ s mostly luck of the draw as most components are shared and produced by very few suppliers.
I have a Stelvio, and compared to anything else in its class, it beats all of them. Compared to other European cars, it’s probably as reliable or unreliable.
History hurts a car. In 1980 I owned a 1976 Alfasud. It was (at the time) a phenomenally lively hatch that I really wanted to drive all the time. I had a piston to valve issue on the M5 motorway but that wasn't its biggest problem. At 3 years and 8 months old when I bought it the tops of the front struts were so rusty they were ready to come up through the bonnet and the top edge of the front wings were rusted through. I am looking at a newer and second, ludicrously powerful BMW (M4) now BUT really REALLY fancy a Quadrafoglio but I musn't let my heart rule my head! Having said that BMW's with two turbos etc., etc. can give similar heartache to that I experienced with my 'sud 40 odd years ago! Toyota just don't do it for me.
Whereas other manufacturers first produce their base models to put then steroids on them, Alfa did the opposite. QV was the first “base” car. Also consider that for a such low price you get a car with a V6 Ferrari engine. Also interesting fact that Ferrari engineers worked on giorgio platform
I admire you for being willing to have another go in a car, after having a brother of it delete the brakes on you. Don't think i could do that. ..and such a story is one of the reasons why i'm very unlikely to go near a Gulia, eventhough i really rather like them.