Do you know if the samsung galexy note 9 get android 14 update????? That would be awesome. I have the note 9 and I hope it will get android 14 update make last just a little bit longer.
The downside of more software support from manufacturers is that it will take longer for the older flagships price to go down, and by the time the prices are low enough there *might be* a better midrange device with better hardware for the same price
The midrange needs for at least 5 years to catch a flagship. So it's fine. That's why the best value flagship that we could buy is the previous 2-3 generation from the current existing.
100% agree with you, there are tons of great phones now with 3-4 years of operating system updates and now with some doing 7 years affordable prices will be around the corner on flagship devices, I bought a Motorola thinkphone for 394 including taxes a month ago sd8 gen1 plus 144hz screen and interesting enough I’m on a January security patch on this phone needed an android backup to my 14 pro max and this phone fills the gap at a cheaper price may not be a flagship but I’m enjoying it and no performance issues whatsoever.
@@kehi19 gotta be early last year, right? Cuz these vendors are calling the 128gb/12gb variant 420k/430k. Dollar rate just dey worsen everything. I wanna buy but I'm still saving. Problem is, the longer I save, the worse the dollar rate seems to become. Frustrating, really.
I've recently ordered the S24 Ultra and plan to trade in my S22 Ultra for extra cashback. During my time with the S22 Ultra, I discovered an unexpected issue. Initially, I believed the AMOLED screen was free from any burn-in. However, upon closer inspection of the area behind the status bar, I noticed faint signs of burn-in. This was surprising, especially after learning that OneUI 6.0 lacks specific AMOLED burn-in protection features. The light burn-in on my screen was disappointing. To address this, I've started using Good Lock's QuickStar to disable all icons on the status bar, which helps, but it's a workaround. I believe a built-in feature for auto-hiding the status bar in future Android updates would be highly beneficial. It would not only enhance the overall user experience but also play a crucial role in preventing screen burn-in, especially in static areas like the status bar.
@Nahianislam2007 let's see what they will give me with Samsung's exchange phone cashback. There are some bad experiences by customers so I hope I do not get scammed by Samsung. 😅🫠🤷♂️
@@Nahianislam2007our note20 ultra are like 600$ in trade in for the s24ultra, i think thats a pretty high trade value if you are thinking of upgrading.
It's an oled panel my dude, what the actual hell we're you expecting? There is nothing you can do. If you use the screen long enough it will eventually burn out. There is only so much you can do, but most apps don't have burn in protection.
I've been buying old flagship devices for awhile now. I bought the S8 when it first launced. When it came time to getting a new phone I ended up buying a refurbished Note 8 since I loved the S8 so much. That started a trend. I started going to Backmarket for older affordable flagship devices. Got my first and Note 10, followed by the S22 Ultra.
Running an S10+, and I gotta say, I am perfectly happy with it, and due to the extra hardware features it has since it's an older flagship (SD card, headphone jack, Bixby Button which I have made into a quick action flashlight, etc.), I don't even want to upgrade!
You are absolutely right. It's better to buy a older flagship than a budget or mid-range phone. I only disagree if you can get a budget or mid-range phone that has great performance, good cameras, a great display, a headphone jack, expandable storage, great battery life and a IR Blaster. That pretty much describes my Redmi Note 11 pro. I love that device. The only thing that's missing for me is a always on Display and wireless charging. Also I get 67watt Super fast wired charging on it.
@@vernonleewarren280 I dont have that phone my father has, is not laggy is just slow and cannot keep up with my Poco F5. The topic was on budget phones with powerful processors, it wasnt midrange in his time let alone now almost 2 years later.
I love my S20 FE, which is the upper mid-range phone. I got it in June 2021 and its still working for now. I did drop it accidentally a few times when it slipped out of my pocket and never once cracked. I do use a screen protector and a case.
@GwenyTheGirl I say if you can you should go for the s21 fe. The A54 takes better pictures in low light than the s20 fe and also has better battery life
@Mike.Tech. The S20 FE, which is still a great phone and I am not upgrading yet.The camera is still fine, it lasts me the whole day with light to moderate use.
S20 fe was a great phone. I've had one before. It's outdated now and not so outstanding anymore. I would recommend sell it and go for an s21 fe or and s21+ . . Or if you want to make an affordable big jump go for an s23 fe. If you're lucky you can find an open box condition for around $400-$450.
I love your channel man! Great content and you are so right. I still have my S21 Ultra and will keep it for as long as I can. As a standby I still have my Note 10 Plus which is also still great. However the S21 Ultra is without doubt the best phone ever made and the fact you can buy a pristine second hand one for a few hundred bucks is just crazy!
The problem with this is actually the brand itself. Most of Android's flagship would not be produced when a new generation hit the market. For example Samsung just launched S24 series, which means soon enough they will cut the S23 series out of market. It would be hard to find a new phone in box with full warranty.
Not sure which country you are from but off the top of my head it seems like they keep old stock of phone in major telecom providers and big box stores in America. I think most stores here keep the older phone for at least a year. Apple usually keeps phones that are two years old in their stores.
@@peterparker2068 Actually Samsung's A series phones have sd card slots the newest are the A15 and the A54 last year they have released newer model A55 this year also with sd card slots here in America because people still want them they are not the only ones
I do believe the subject at hand refers to used and or refurbished flagship phones not last years still in the box model as that would still make the phone more then most mid-rangers making this video pretty pointless
Used to thing that midrange phones were the bees knees after getting a Nexus 5 through my carrier. I didn't see the need to get a Samsung or Apple phone. Then my gf and I upgraded to the Note 8 and it was over for me. I can never see myself rocking a midrange anything anymore. S21 FE was fantastic, was hoping that the 23 FE would come with a 512GB variant, but I'm holding out for now. Love the channel man!
@@matthews-tech 3:05 Talking about battery life of older flagships degrading... Please If I buy a new, out of the box S21 ultra. Would it still have a good 100% battery life?
Mid range people don't know what they're missing so they're happy. But it's hard going backwards to mid range. I think needing software updates and the latest flagship SOC is marketing. Laptops have been using older SOCs. Samsung S23fe SOC is 2 years old but re-engineering has brought it up to standards. Give me a 2/3 year old flagship SOC version the latest mid range SOC.
I had Note 20 Ultra, but unfortunately screen started having problems and battery life was horrible, so I went for S22 Ultra like a year ago. It's still a very good phone today, only thing which is not so good is battery life, but I get along with that somehow, it gets me through the day.
One question if you purchase an older android phone in which the life cycle for OS and Security updates has already ended will the phone automatically update to the latest OS and security update that was available for the phone?
Im running an s20 and plan to hold on until Black Friday or the s25 series to pick up the s24 since it has the 7 years. Can you do a video or comment on using phones past their system update cycle?
@@matthews-tech 3:05 Talking about battery life of older flagships degrading... Please If I buy a new, out of the box S21 ultra. Would it still have a good 100% battery life?
what about the processor i heard it happen a lot that people bought phones with low life processor for example SD 855 and it dont even play 60 hertz pubg
My only problem buying old flagship over midrange phones is the battery life. I Work almost exclusively outside so is rare for me to find outlet to charge my phones, and i dont want to carry bulky powerbank
Only advantage to the latest mid range over an older flagship is better battery and newer modems. I'm not overly sold on needing the latest software updates unless it improves reception or performance. I say this because many S20's don't get 5g in Canada and have limited 5g bands. The US versions, with same hardware, have more applied bands. For some reason they shutdown bands in Canada.
I used my Samsung Note 8 and 10+ for 2 and 4.5 years because I needed the s pen. Now my work doesn't need it anymore, I chose Samsung A55 because I need a good well-round but not overkill phone. Flagship or midrange, make sure you know what you need.
I think the only reason the older flagships sell really cheap is because of their older software. So of you're right and the tech giants start moving towards giving a lot more years worth of OS updates to their flagships, those price drops we see in older flagships will slowly disappear... Especially if everyone wakes up and starts buying older flagship phones.
A solid midrange phone does everything I need with ease and that's the same for the majority of users. I'd rather get a new midranger with long software support and a healthy battery.
You can get a one plus 10 for 300 in like New condition. My husband has a one plus 7 and he loves it. It's a great phone. I have a note 20 ultra and don't plan to give it up anytime soon.
4:45 As good of a phone as the S21 FE is it is actually more expensive than the S21 regular because the S21 FE is only 2 weeks older than the S22. Important thing to note.
Before considering buying older flagships battery of this phones and in case of any damage to phone the cost of repair will be close to the cost you have purchased. I have buyed 21 ultra almost 6 months ago battery was horrible but after i damage the display i went to repair it and guess what its almost same like a new second hand 21 ultra
I got the s21 fe, i really love this phone so much. So, of course the battery won't be the best, but it's usable. And this phone it's powerful, it take amazing pictures.
I have zero reasons to upgrade from my s22 ultra. In extremely good condition and fairly new. But i will upgrade when ever samsung Gonna come with 1” main camera.. hopefully s25 ultra
@@matthews-tech 3:05 Talking about battery life of older flagships degrading... Please If I buy a new, out of the box S21 ultra. Would it still have a good 100% battery life?
@ordinarysweech There are no s21 ultra from the box, you are probably getting a refurb, it's battery health will probably be at 85%, if the battery was not replaced.
I bought my S10+ two years ago for 300 EUR, refurbished with 3 years warranty and physical condition like new. It's still holding up very well for my needs, including (light) gaming, basic video editing and Dex use. The battery is degrading naturally, but still gives 6-7 hours constant use easily, and could be replaced for 50-100 moneys without doing it myself. Really not bad for a 5 year old one that gets used and charged a lot. Software updates stopped last year, but no compatibility issues so far, so who cares? Best decision I've made in terms of phones for many years. Easily good for another 2 years or more. Then I'll do the same with a newer model.
How realistic is this price ,Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra 8/128 version lowest price at store is 749 € ? That's in Croatia.I know they are ripping us off but wanna see by how much
For those who prefer to buy old flagship phones, right now in 2024, what are your thoughts about the s22 ultra? 2 yrs old why's it still somewhat costy, and to others too expensive??
Please i would really love it if you review. The red magic 9 pro... Its a 650 dollars snapdragon 8 genn3 phone and arguably the most powerful phone on earth in terms of processing power output..
Yes but it has no updates and why should you buy that instead of a gaming setup lmao You still have battery issue when pc or console dont have that problem I mean there is no reason to buy that phone
Pixel and newer Samsung phones boast longer software support cycles, similar to iPhones. This could potentially influence depreciation rates. Traditionally, iPhones held their value better due to Apple's well-known extended software support compared to many older Android phones. With Google and Samsung now offering longer software support, it'll be interesting to see if this translates to slower depreciation for their phones. Pixel and newer Samsung devices could potentially retain their value better in the long run.
Pixels depreciation rate is fast and I like it I don't think the longer support times should effect the refurbished market price at all as the longer a phone is in the wild the more drops and scratches it will receive The condition of the phone is where the used market price differences are made The only people who pay for the longer support are the original owners and I think that's stupid because if I'm buying a 800 dollar plus phone I don't think the companies really expect me to be the type of person to use a phone for seven years
I recently got an Oppo A96 which was one of the brands flagship phones in Nigeria in 2022. I must say that's the best decision i made. It offers way too much value and performance for thr Price. I only upgraded it to Android 13 but i have never regretted it. It outperformed all the latest budget / midrange phones i wanted to buy as their value were not commensurate with the prices in my own estimation
I hate to disagree with you but as of recently, you get 90% of the phone for a 1/4th of the price going with a midrange phone. maybe a decade ago buying a flagship was worth it but with advances in tech a midrange phone will give 90% of the performance as a flagship. Most people will not even notice a difference in performance between a flagship and a midrange phone. I used to only buy flagship phones and started with a galaxy s2 way back in the day when it actually made a difference. Then I did what you recommended and got older flagships. I had a flagship phone break that was 2 years old and didn't have the budget for a newer flagship so I bought a midrange and was pissed when it outperformed my flagship phone and cost less then half what that broken one would have cost to replace. Phones have came so far that unless you are gaming heavy or uploading videos it is not at all worth spending money on any flagship phone. Heck a 2 year old flagship s22 still cost $200 more then a a35 right now.
We have longer updates but the price of flagship phones don't drop as much as they used to. Few years ago android flagships after 1-2 years were on 50% of their price or even less, now after 1-2 years they drop 30% with is a joke. In EU prices not falling like they used to few years ago, if in your regions prices falling down more drastically then go for it, but if 2 years old flagship in new condition is not 50% down than I wouldn't buy it. Regarding refurbished phones, I wouldn't recommend them if you don't buy them in real life, many refurbished phones from online stores look much worse than they describe them. You think you will be getting pristine one, and they send you one with scratches all over it.
Before I bought a new A53, I thought I'd try the S20Fe. Experiencing image stabilization, a phone that never freezes or lags, the quality of the sound and the screen was amazing. Snapdragon is a lifechanger. I can never own a non flagship phone again. Older flagships are like buying 2nd hand luxury cars, it comes with its risks, but you access amazing features that'll most midrange phones will never get. With a flagship, you experience the best a company has to offer When my S20fe fell and broke after 2 years, I replaced it with another one. It's so good, I can't even justify upgrading to an S23
3:05 Talking about battery life of older flagships degrading... Please If I buy a new, out of the box S21 ultra. Would it still have a good 100% battery life?
Afaik, no. The battery still degrades when not used. Worst is, if the phone is really brand new, it could be empty and may present some issues like bulging, as it should have a charge even when kept. But, I doubt if there are still brand new ones. Some businesses are smart enough to repackage refurbished phones with boxes and knocked-off accessories, and seal them with a plastic so it will look brand new.
The reason to get a brand new phone over a same price old flagship is because I'd rather spend the same money on a brand new phone with warranty then risk getting a second hand phone that I might have to get repaired. Don't know how long it's been gamed on or screen burn in or dropped anything.
my s6edge plus is 9 years old.. older than my 2 children i think it ancient 🤣🤣🤣 . runs on android 7 still works for me. battery life is still okay am not a heavy user so i dnt think i notice all that stuff.and yes older flagship work well.
Midrange phones make sense if they're 65-80% of what the current flagship is. Most midrange phones are only 30%-50%. This is especially true in the processor and gpu. It's a disgrace.
Beautifully said. I bought the Samsung A53 and the processor is total garbage. The cameras are incredible, the screen is excellent, but the CPU is just so bad, I can't even play Omega Strikers on lowest settings without framedrops. Switching apps is a lagfest. I absolutely should have bought an older flagship, the S21 is dramatically stronger while having the same high quality cameras and screen.
It make me so mad too because the "professional reviews" of the A53 called it snappy and responsive, yet if you search "A53 slow" or "A53 lag" you'll find a ton of people encountering the exact same issues with the phone. They promised "oh it'll likely optimized in a future update" which never happened lol
@@vvvios The A53's Exynos 1280 is on par with 5 year old flagships in tasks requiring only a single CPU core, but it's 35-38% slower in tasks requiring more cores. This is why original reviews said it felt snappy and now it's incredibly laggy. It can't be fixed. As the CPU ages, the multi core deficiencies will become more apparent.
Get s23 ultra. Its a better phone in every way and apps/games are better optimised for snapdragon due to their open source drivers and prevalence. I ll be getting the cream color one shortly
Call me crazy but the cameras on my S20FE were better than my current Galaxy Z Flip 5, which is admittedly a bit faster, but not earth-shatteringly so. The only real upgrade that my current flagship-level phone offers is its folding form factor, which is really handy.
I always make the same point...older flagships are still great, s10/note10 lineup, s20/note20 lineup, still far better than any lower and mid tier smartphones, better processor, premium build, ultrasonic fingerprint scanner, wireless and reverse wireless charging, triple cameras, night mode, Super Amoled displays still the best in the game...the list goes on, even Oneplus 7 pro, beautiful, fast charge, 90hz, bezeless oled, older flagships are the best, but alot of people I know real want something new and sealed...they just waste money on something worst
I've gone through three lg v60 with USB c port issues unfortunately. They will stop charging eventually. And this is coming from a LG fanboy even though they're out of the cellphone market now. One thing that the LG v60 has that other flagship phones don't have is DAC sound for audiophiles, a headphone jack, and external SD card slot
midranges and low budget phones are very hard to trade in, everything is a lot easier with a flagship phone. Think about it, if you trade in a flagship phone for a newer flagship, you're basically paying midrange/low-budget price for flagship with a trade-in.
The only worry of buying a used flagship phone is battery and warranty. So if it is almost new (some old phone are barely used), then no real reason to buy a mid ranger
I used to buy midrange phones. But some were real bad yeah they were good but you rarely get software updates. Samsung and Google will get 7 years. But Xiaomi and mid rangers won't do 7 years updates because they are predicated on selling large volume of phones. If they do 7 years of update then they won't sell their midrange lines.
Midrange and budget phones have ALWAYS been worse than old flagships. This is nothing new. Budget phones always lose to 3 or 5 year old flagships in price and specs.
The problem is flagship stores, in my country at least, don't sell old flagships. Like if you wanted that s21 fe, you'll have to look for alternative stores, and you risk getting scammed.
@@matthews-tech 3:05 Talking about battery life of older flagships degrading... Please If I buy a new, out of the box S21 ultra. Would it still have a good 100% battery life?
With Samsung and Google giving 7 and 7 in US it doesn't make sense to keep the phone for 7 years and not pratical but in over cease market its not as cheap to get a 1-2 year old flagship, like in south asian country the cost of a galaxy s10 or note 10+ is close to galaxy a54 cost which is still a better phone besides software support, so in western and EU countries its not pratical to support for 7 because batteries don't hold up as long and technologies changes like compare galaxy s8 running one ui 6 on custom rom I wouldn't even, 5 and 5 is the sweet spot. I feel like they both should've went 5 and 5, Samsung would've probably done 5 and 6 but google did 7 and 7 so they copied
I recently bought an S24 ultra, to replace my Note 10 plus. I got the Note 10 plus for a great price used and have no complaints, but the camera hardware and software has aged. To be honest, apart from the camera, and battery life (Note 10 plus still has a great battery life), i dont see much difference. I have done side by side comparisons. Ok, some software and A.I. gimmicks.
Battery on old flagships, IMO, just isn't an issue. Especially on Android. Battery replacement on old Android flagships is barely 30-60$ based on model, compared to 100$+ on iPhone. Just replace the battery when it starts to feel pathetic. It will still be cheaper than all mid-range phones, and still be better than them
I bought a refurbished s21 and I'm never buying one again. It was supposed to be excellent but arrived in a very used condition and isn't waterproof bc it's refurbished and has been opened. They're good if you don't care about waterproof like I do.
If water resistance is so important to you, do not risk buying a refurbished, or even a used phone from someone who is careful. Water resistance is affected by wear and tear of those seals. Besides, there are some midrangers having some sort of water protection.
