Here's Why You Don't Like the Replacement Avengers 

Natasha and Clint are supposed to be the heart/ human element in a theater group of literally gods, supermen, and mad scientists. Marvel should have explore more of the gritty Clint left over from his time as Ronin while also touching on his insecurity from the comics. How he has to make every shot, because what good is a dude that misses. But nope.

Yep there is something to be said about characters with no powers but are determined to do their job to the best of their ability in order to save lives

That line came directly from the Fraction run in the comic. Insanely good comic the TV show is based on.

Hawkeye is basically batman without the money and detective skills. Hawkeye is easily the most underrated character in marvel.

I also thought the part right after where he thinks about shooting quick silver was the funniest part of the movie and made him one of my favorites they really should have done a spy winter soldier type movie with him and Natasha years ago before they were retired or dead.

Yep all wasted for the sake of woke! F Disney

@@clancydowrcait happens in the comics lol.

​​@@ballerinaonamusicboxIt sucked there too. Steve Rogers is Captain America. Someone else can carry the shield for awhile but they never actually _become_ Captain America. I wonder how the hell they can do _Daredevil: Born Again_ without Steve Rogers. He's absolutely crucial to that story, especially the way tne Avengers appear ar the end. "Out of nowhere they appear. A soldier with a voice that could command a God. And does. Cap: "Medic over here, man! Then's ones be shot! Put those fires out we don't want to the gas mains going up!" Thor is shown raising his hammer "Suddenly it's raining so hard it hurts and everyone falls silent. Except Matt."

he never got the super soldier serum did he in the show?

@@darkhighwayman1757 DIdn't watch the show, but I don't think he needs it to be interesting. Steve was a lot of things, but I wouldn't have bet on him having the mindset to graduate medical school. Sam could have been this cool and different kind of thing and we could have still gotten patriotic hero moving toward the danger to rescue people.

He did not get the super soldier serum in the show. They did bring back his background in counseling though which I thought was a great move for making him more than just a "mantle" but then they dropped the ball by the end of the show. Maybe they'll go back to it in the film.

@@DonaldDonald-gv7ys I don't think it matters that he didn't have powers. Give a guy a jetpack and an invulnerable shield and I think you've got enough comic book in there to make the action doable. You probably can't tell all of the same sorts of stories, but that's a feature for me, not a bug. Sam always struck me as a good person to take up that mantle but I never wanted Steve Part 2.

Ya know what? I didn't even remember that about his character until I read this comment. I watched about half of the show that was supposed to be about him and you have just given me more info on his character than half of his show did. 😭

They also made “Thor” a mantle, instead of Thor being the name of a guy Thor Odinson.

"We don't want to know what the WHITE MEN think! They're all racist misogynist! This was made for woman and minorities!," Ok... Well I'm both and I hate all of it cause you're making it very clear that you think the only way to portray woman and minorities as competent and likable is to tear men down and make them pathetic. I feel condescended. I really do.

​@@nont18411But wasn't that already a thing in the comics? Like, one dude in the 90'sbecame Thor for a bit, than we had Lady Thor in the last decade?

@@Mike_Dubo Just because it originated in the comics doesn’t make it not dumb. Have you seen some of the bullshit that happens in comic books?

@@sssspider Oh, I know about plenty of idiocy that comics have had over the years, I just put it out there as Disney just using what already was in the comics, not being the ones responsible for the precedant. Lets just be glad they'll never do Avengers #200, and that they basically skipped One More Day.

I also thought he earned the "to old for this shit" attitude. Then they ruined it in the last episode.

Hawkeye was the best disney+ show, but agree that the last episode messed it up with typical phase 4 stupidity

Agreed, she should be the leader of the young avengers

They fucked kingpin man!!!!

Out of all the new Avenger replacement type characters, I liked Kate the most too.

Yeah they basically already ruin kang the conqueror. Even if the defenders go with Oh that was just a variant the fact he was hyped up to be a dangerous variant And he got defeated because the writer's realized they wrote themselves heavily into a corner. The biggest example being showing him using powers and Gadgets that he did not immediately use When he should have. I'm sorry there's only so much you can play the he was arrogant card I'm going to use them immediately and then I'm going to vaporize you. I mean look at thanos He never frequently hesitated to use any of the things he had an access to. Have His armada fire down on the heroes even if it meant hitting his own army A sacrifice he was willing to make to do serious damage to the heroes. Man wasn't even afraid to hurt himself if it meant directly harming the heroes. I mean look what happened in end game when he got his hands on the gauntlet. He was here he even willingly pulled out the power stone Into his bare hands just to knock Mary Sue Marvel Carol a new one! The final battle It was marvelous and I will say end game did top Infinity War with the final battle Because you had the final blows fight everyone and he was shown how he was such a big threat even without the stones. That's how you do a final boss you show just how big Of a threat they are, look at Final fantasy 7 If you beat the Balls before you actually fight the final Boss fast enough. The 1st phase will pretty much have you fighting him with your entire party. Not your top 3 your entire party. I even know a few other games that have you pretty much facing the final boss with everybody. To the point you wonder if you're playing dynasty Warriors with how many of your allies are on screen when normally that doesn't happen. But after aunt man 3, When the final boss fight Of the new bigger bad becomes about. It has to be so awesome that I will forget that entire fiasco of when they got defeated before other variant or not. Ant-Man 3 It's not how you present the bigger bad. H*** Thanos It was teased so heavily in the after credits of many Marvel movies building up to Infinity War. That once he finally got off his chair He was wrecking heroes left To right, steam rolling them. I was even mad when he got killed off so easily and simply at the beginning of End game because well that made sense and it was meant to just show How anti climatic His defeat ended up being. They came preparing for a huge battle with their low numbers but instead ended up beating down an injured broken man With little fanfare. Even door decapitating him did the job it was supposed to do it was meant to be anti clematic what was the point it didn't change anything. If not for Scott They never would have even been able to reverse Everything and the one thing this new phase Basically screwed the pooch on What does it heavily and I mean heavily side steps The issue of everybody coming back to the world being in the state its end. Finding out family members were dead you have to imagine how many who survived committed suicide When they assumed their family members were gone forever help it was addressed in doctor strange 2 with his old colleague at the wedding Having gotten snapped And coming back the pretty much finds his brother pretty much died during the time skip. Some of the new stories should have focused heavily on the consequences of what happens like even if everyone was brought back to life what about those who were snapped when they had the disease or something where they cured did they just come back to life just to die again. Nice questions that will not be answered As they jiggle those freaking keys in front of us Praying for distraction. Some were good but some doesn't change that all of them ultimately sought by the end if you collectively get everything even if you add the good well it's how people are feeling about guardians of the Galaxy volume 3, It was good but sadly because everything else sucked, If you were to give it a letter grade it came up with the entire phase everything would come up D As in I would give it A D plus Only because of the Small good stuff as you pointed out With Hawkeye and volume 3 of guardians of the Galaxy. But honestly I was only watching some of the movies of characters who already there because I wanted to see the conclusions of their story that was it. Disappointed with many of them.

Then he wouldn't be Thanos

And got killed by an alternate of an alternate of a support character in his first appearance.

Sometimes I wish thanos won, just so phase 4 and 5 never happened

Easily the stupidest part of Quantumania

Honestly I don't think we need a "new Iron Man", just someone who can fill his role in a team. The new conflict has to center around someone. I think Strange would've probably worked well if they knew how to utilize him. The multiverse could've been his thing, but I feel like they've barely touched on his actual character even in his own movies. He's almost sidelined for younger characters when he could've been the main focus of the new phase.

Truth.

​@@iceprism367 Exactly!

You know what's funny, didn't Stan Lee say almost the say the same thing about Spiderman's costume. Though what he actually said was "anyone could be under that mask." Similar to Ratatouille where Anton Ego talks about Chef Gusteau's quote "anyone can cook."

@@natperXD Nope.

As a guy whose family loves and drinks La Croix, I found your descriptions absolutely hilarious and 💯 accurate.

@@magnaquam how do you pronounce that drink?

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp “La-Kroy”. But you have to pronounce it with the same face you make as when you drink it. 😖

@@magnaquam Ok, so I've been doing it correctly then

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp either that or we’re both wrong. 😁

I think the show did a lot to deepen his charcter, but in terms of fan favorites, it was too late to rank him high on most lists. The comments are in support of him, though. The show boosted him

​​@@gregowen2022 even thou i liked shehulk as a intelligencia fan , they really took the low hanging fruit and decided to troll the men you spoke of who didnt get why patrick batman or tyler durden werent heros or idols and didnt understand the movie's point that they were toxic masculinity traits (same ones who funny enough constantly cry about toxic feminity) by making it a anti woman incel group then they just forgot that and tried to put it back on whatever the plot was for the whole show why did they think that wouldnt offend everyone even fans of the show called that out ....thats something teenagers do to get over on people or internet trolls not a billion dollar studio after having about the pr backstorys and the firing of the person who wanted to force diversity hires and mantle plots now it makes sense why all of the crap has been going on

The problem with Cliff is direct comparison with Green Arrow which arguably already established in viewer`s head space for better or worse . His solo comic also never showing that he was worth for Solo Featured movies or dedicated series . I would argue that Winter Soldier ( with Sebastian Stan) will be better option if Studio ever thinking to make a gamble move

Well said. 100% agree. I know I'm the minority here, but Clint Barton is my favorite Avenger specifically because he's not special.

⁠@@morizanovaI really enjoyed the original Fraction/Aja run with the tracksuit mafia. It’s a fun ride.

👍 perfect you deserve more likes

I agree with your comment but stopped reading cuz I don't agree that you should be allowed to use so many characters. Don't do that

@@yomanyo327 Pepperoni

@@yomanyo327 😂man, I'm gettin hungy

2 cents well spent.

At least U.S. Agent was fun to watch...

In the first movie he and a bunch of goons 100% f-up the entire helicarrier, almost killing everyone (except for Hulk and maybe Cap) so, yeah, not as lame as everyone likes to think. Also, according to the lore of the movies he nailed Linda Cardellini, f-ing legend.

In WWII the US Army used Hollywood archers as part of special operations. In the Western movies, these guys were behind the camera shooting at small blocks under the actors' shirts often while they're on horseback. They had to be real good at their job! So in modern combat their skills were valuable in sneaking spies into occupied Europe. They would snipe German beach sentries with a silent kill from the bow of a bouncy small boat. Later my father learned archery as part of his Green Beret skills for the jungles of Vietnam. Thus, when I hear anyone say "just a bow" I smile.

Not to shit on the video because I do think his point are accurate, but to be critical of the Hawkeye line... it does seem hypocritical to make the (very correct) assertion that people feel in live with characters and not the powers and just pushing powers on to mediocre characters doesn't add and benefit to the plot as a whole. While shitting on Hawkeye, a person with no powers who ultimately has the most underrated character arc and relationships with the team. Who took out the SHIELD Heli carrier with a couple of goons and arrows? Like who gave the Avengers a place to hideout during AOU? Who not only gave wisdom to Wanda but also came to free her during Civil War? Risked his whole life and retirement to join the fight, only to be jailed? Like Clint and Natasha are supposed to be best friends but she didn't go looking for him for five years after the snap? Marvel and other people stay forgetting about Clint and its nuts.

True, it's completely infected Disney and the IPs they own.

Great comment. Will take a look at that review, thanks. Gold to see Mr Plinkett has become something of an Internet icon.

This sounds similar to what Cap said to Ironman "Without the suit, what are you?" So it's pretty funny how Marvel basically made all their new characters basically suits without thinking about the people wearing them despite having this plotline for Ironman (cause this does get explored more in Ironman 3 I think).

@@natperXD In return, Cap was nothing without the genetic experiment.

I agree 100%. I once mentioned to a group that I dislike characters who become a "token" character. Where the only thing that defines them is their race/gender/sexuality/religion. A good character has a personality and motivation beyond the superficial things. We also need to see how a character's life is hard, show their struggles so we can connect instead of preaching to us about "how I've been discriminated against". For example, with Steve, we saw his desire to fight and join the war, to stop the Nazis because he hated bullying. We saw how he put his own life at risk and was innovative while the rest of his training squad were more along the lines of the typical "jock". For Clint, we saw how he had a family that he wanted to protect. During the Blip, he became a cold killer because he'd lost his family. He lost his way, and at first didn't want to come back, but was eventually convinced to help the rest of the avengers bring everyone back. We don't have to see someone's entire life, but we need to see their struggles so we can emphasize and connect with them. If all you show is someone who complains about how their life is worse than another person because of things that are again, superficial, then all you have is a blank character that little to no one cares about.

I can see the batman and robin analogy, that's pretty good. I guess we'll see where she goes with this young avenger trend

@@gregowen2022that and she falls over a lot. We don’t see that with most liberal woke shi when it comes to girly heroes. It shows she’s a woman and an actual human too.

and we all know robin becomes nightwing

EXACTLY! Besides having adamantium balls, as shown in AOU. Quote: "Hey, look at me. It’s your fault, it’s everyone’s fault. Who cares? Are you up for this? Are you? Look, I just need to know. Because the city is flying. Okay. Look, the city is flying, we’re fighting an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense. But I’m going back out there because it’s my job. Okay? And I can’t do my job and babysit. It doesn’t matter what you did or what you were. If you go out there, you fight, and you fight to kill."

I grew up learning archery and got damn good at it, and then I saw there were superheroes who did the same thing: Hawkeye and Green Arrow, and I instantly loved them. Easily my favorites, because I saw that if they could do it, so could I.

100% agree. People cried watching Endgame because it felt like saying goodbye to people who had been like family for 10 years.. These mantle swaps are like home invaders wearing the ID tags of the people we miss. Just not gonna work.

I'd argue only Tony really got an ending. Cap's ending makes no sense. Black Widow died. Thor was just reset, so he could find himself all over again over 20 films in. Pretty much reinvented as a Guardian of the Galaxy because they had no clue what to do with him. Hulk was turned into a joke, and had no arc. Pretty much wrote away the most interesting half of the character.

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp True, I do have to agree with you. What should have happened was give each an actual end. It didn’t have to be long and drawn out. What they have created is a mess.

@@kevincarr3213 Exactly, they all needed a conclusion to their arcs across the first 3 phases. A true jumping off point.

Infinity War was the perfect ending. Ok, Thanos should have snapped again , but otherwise it was great.

Hawkeye was surprisingly good, IMO. I liked Old Man Clint & Kate & I liked Yelena. It helped, I think, that Jeremy, Hailee & Florence are genuinely superb actors. Hailee Steinfeld won an Oscar for No Country for Old Men when she was 13 or 14 & Jeremy Renner had a couple nominations. This was back before the awards got completely political. Florence Pugh is also a terrific character actor. (I didn’t like the new version Kingpin but we can talk about that another time.)

It takes a loooong time to turn an aircraft carrier around. Even more so when it's going full bore. There's still a lot of momentum and money being made with the MCU, just not as much, so there's little motivation from the Hollywood machine to stop. And all the while you have activists and ideologues on the inside doing their best to spread _The Message._ It's going to take some time. This is how I see California (my state) and how much the left can afford to push it's resource-sucking, parasitic agenda. California is a HUGE state with lots of natural resources and an economy equivalent to some modern countries. It'll take a lot of damage to really hurt it, and all the while the left can pretend it's crappy agenda is doing no harm (although I admit San Francisco is looking really bad).

They'll never stop, not until Blackrock and other ESG funds ceases to exist

Yeah, it's going to be another couple years at least, since they are already making a bunch of products that have this idea baked in. The investors almost had a successful revolt, but Iger uttered the magic word Dividend and everyone was too greedy to care about the brand being blown to bits

All the money. They intend on dying on this hill.

The leadership of the companies are surrounded by shallow activists and cowardly yes men who keep telling them it will be worthwhile. Any criticism of this forced diversification is dismissed as a bunch of bigoted trolls. They really think most people love the tokenized characters.

Lee had no power and hasn't had any power in Marvel for 40 years. What made them work is they did bother to be somewhat loyal to the characters' personalities but the stories they chose to use were fairly safe, they didn't dip deep into their progressive catalogue and kept the experimentation to stuff like Guardians of the Galaxy. Most of the great stories they used were recent (Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron and Civil War were post-2000 storylines) or iconic stuff NOT written with the greatest generation in mind (Infinity Gauntlet, etc). Marvel thought they had the power to experiment because they were untouchable at the box office for almost a decade and so went into agenda'd or experimental storytelling, they were wrong. I also feel the death of Chadwick Boseman screwed up their plans immensely as he was due to be the face of the post Endgame universe.

Good call. Litterally the same bit that made muemen rider in OPM such a compelling subplot

It's kind of funny considering the whole conversation regarding mantles vs. strong characterization. Clint has a relatively small mantle of power but a ton of characterization. Therefore, he should be loved, or at least appreciated, by a lot of fans.

I mean, disregarding the fact that he is just a cool dude with a nice family and all that. Clint as no powers and he keeps up with the avengers. That's pretty bad ass. Superman said so (about Batman but it translates).

Yeah. Hawkeye is my fave, because he is so human compared to the other avengers. You really should have included that in the early part of the video - character comes before superpowers

Korg? Noone likes Taika Waititi's mouthpiece...

Must have been bots. Everybody who has seen the first two phases and me are indifferent to Clint at best, and hate him at worst. The most useless "hero" ever seen. And I must say that Renner wasn't even making an effort either, for a guy with an Oscar, he was bland most of the time, and the rest plain bad.

Then they made Clint self aware about how out of his depth he is in his pep talk to Wanda during Age of Ultron. He admits he's just a guy wit ha weapon from the Stone Age fighting gods and monsters and he doesn't belong there, but he's going to fight because the people needed to be protected. I think that speech is when he became my favorite.

As I recall, Clint first showed up in Thor's first movie, not Cap's.

@@errorcode6168 Yes he did. He was briefly in Thor at the "hammer site". I don't think he was in the first Captain America at all

@@michaelmurphy2112 And in his debut he had a great line that made me like him right away. He's perched high, talking to Fury on comms and watching Thor (an unknown intruder to them) kick everyone's ass. At some point he makes a comment about how they need to wrap this up quickly because "I'm starting to root for this guy." I didn't even have a clue who he was or even that a character named Hawkeye existed, but that line made me like Clint before I even knew who he was.

@@michaelmurphy2112 I was confused as well but they seemed to mean First Avengers movie not Cap's film.

Actually, the Russos said that they filmed the scene of Clint losing his family for Infinity War. But ended up cutting it and used it to open Endgame instead.

Exactly! All they did with the falcon winter soldier show was tell the audience that A) white people are better and their position is desireable, and B) black people's lives are 100% struggle, they aren't complex humans. It was just gross

Sam Wilson is just fine as Falcon and Captain America is Steve Rogers. That's all there is to it. For that matter Amadeus Cho was great as Amadeus Cho. _Incredible Hercules_ is one of my favorite comics ever because of the chemistry between him and Herc.

They made the mistaken of trying to rush to get back on schedule. The pandemic screw up their schedules and now they're pumping out content like it never happened.

They also made the mistake of letting themselves be bought by Bob Iger. Marvel under Disney should never have happened.

It is owned by a company who made their brand on family values and has done a complete 180 on that and doesn't understand how that alienated their core audience. So there is that.

The key here was 'sold to DISNEY' like Star Wars and Star Trek

Greedy capitalists intent on squeezing as much money as possible as quickly as possible. Long term thinking is not part of their dna.

Haha, I've been wrong in the past, but I can't remember being THAT wrong. It was too funny not to include

Hes not interesting at all. Totally lame.

​@Gage Lindell writing to let you know that you're still wrong a day later.

@@tonybriggs280 Dumbest. Comment. On. RU-vid. Well. Done!

Hawkeye was just a dude who shot arrows, like cool?

I mean neat, that's like 1 character out of 5? Still not great

True, it's all over Disney

Let's enjoy the destruction of Disney, atleast it will make a good story for a movie

​@@balu2567 The Rise & Fall of the House of Mouse

marvel has championed mantle swapping for decades, DC even before that. this is not new.

@@scottb3034 but they used to know how to actually do it properly

Kate Bishop is one of the new more diverse mantle swaps that really worked. Her comics was actually really good.

The Arcane example isn’t great, simply because Vander isn’t a character we really care about or spend a lot of time with, but the JoJo’s example is perfect. All the main characters (other than the first) are based on the exact same alignment of “morally grey but well intentioned”. The show itself refers to it more as them being a delinquent with a heart of gold. That being said, every single Joestar takes this to a new height. Joseph is probably the least morally grey, as he mostly just gets into shenanigans you’d expect from a teenager. Jotaro ups it slightly by being alot more destructive in his actions. Josuke seperates these two sides into different personalities, one is super gentle and caring, while the other is ruthlessly explosive. Giorno is the most grey character, as he literally kills his opponents and takes over the mafia, but he does it to stop drugs being sold to children - a very noble cause. Jolyne is an actual criminal that that tries to stop someone else from doing something even worse. All these characters have the exact same backbone, but none of them even remotely seem repetitive or lazy. The fact that JoJo’s can get it right 8 times in a row with the exact same framework shows just how lazy and bad Disney has gotten

Great point but I think they were going more for the Dan Slott stuff than the John Byrne stuff.

I think Falcon getting the mantle makes sense because Cap probably just wanted Bucky to rest. I mean the dude has fought in a war, been brainwashed, and had to deal with getting dusted. Plus, he has some ptsd, so probably not the best to have the mantle. Falcon also does prove himself by helping Steve in the The Winter Solder without having any real powers and just doing the right thing. But they could have handled Falcon getting the mantle better.

Marvel and DC have been doing mantle swaps for decades and they almost never really take. "Robin" going from Dick Grayson to Jason Todd to Tim Drake to Damian Wayne has worked. Wally West became The Flash because DC committed to keeping Barry Allen dead for 2 decades. I guess Scott Lang is established as Ant-Man now but I can't really think of any others.

Because then she wouldn't be a strong independent female lady girl

They could solve so many problems around re-booting the MCU, streaming content, story-lines, creativity, and subscribers if they did a special like 'Werewolf by Night' for each of the X-Men, but that would be smart and deviating from the formula, so it'll never happen.

Lol not even a terrific idea but the bars so, so, so low that it sounds brilliant at this point

@@antonioyeats2149 It's common sense. They could build The Brotherhood of Mutants at the same time and double the toy sales.

@@moresnacksplease526 common sense definitely doesn't mean what you think it means my friend. What it is, is low hanging fruit that could be thought up in a 6th grade English classroom could have thought up. The point is its STILL better than what was actually ran

I agree Sam represented the best of the modern American Soldier. He was a good choice to carry on Cap's legacy. Until the show decided his most important trait was his skin color.

I agree with several of the points you highlighted. But wasn't there a montages of Kate Bishop doing all kinds of training? Gymnastics, fencing, archery, some form of martial arts( might have been jujitsu)? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't they show a james bond style silhouette of her winning medals in various athletic competitions?

@@danielmejorado6098 maybe but that would still be a college sophore playing basketball going up against Jordan or Kobe in their primes.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong but isn't kate a black belt in martial arts and a archery champion? I swear they said that in the show

@@danielmejorado6098 yes, but those they didn't train her to be an assassin, she was never taught to be trained to kill, being in athletic competitions is top 10% of humanity. But the pros are top 1%. Then even in that there is a handful of off the wall pros like a Mariano Rivera or a Jordan. Clint and Natasha have that next level training. Kat being spunky is not that

@@MassielRoss dude. LEt's be real. Being in high school black belt, even in if you are world champion martial artist. it don't mean ish. Do you know what that means? these ppl fight under rules that don't work to fight grown mercenary men. Archery champion? she's not Hawkeye level. Being in the archery olympics doesn't mean crap

Right? I figured the money would talk at a certain point, but we aren’t seeing it

A real gangsta, huh?

These replacements are done out of malice for white people, don't fucking admire it.

That was a strange situation though. For awhile Marvel had two publishing lines (regularl) Marvel and Ultimate Marvel. The Ultimate Marvel universe featured many of the same characters as (regular) Marvel but they were all treated as newly introduced so the writers could take them in different directions. Eventually Peter Parker died in the Ultimate Marvel universe which allowed Miles Morales to assume the name in that universe. In _Secret Wars_ Marvel merged the (normal) Marvel and Ultimate Marvel universes and that's how Miles Morales and Peter Parker came to both be Spider-Man. Another thing is that there were a lot of Miles Morales stories published which gave them time to flesh out the character and make him memorable. As they did with all the other legacy characters they just imported him directly into the movies. Almost all the new MCU characters haven't been used enough to allow the creators to really nail them down. We know how to write a good Steve Rogers or Miles Morales. What does a good Ironheart look like? We don't know because we've never really seen one.

@@BiggieTrismegistus who cares? They jumped at the chance for black spiderman, they'd make every fucking superhero non white if they could, it would just be too obvious to do it all at once. You'll wake up one day with every hero being non white and every villain being white and the whole world acting as if that's how it is in reality.

Um...it took them 7 years to do that spiderverse retcon. Miles was version much just Peter but with all the superificial differences turned on his head😂. Even to this day he still soesnt have his own depth as a character and its just sad😭

Because the current owners of Marvel are run by femnazis and their agenda

It's because Hollywood doesn't actually respect comic books and their creators. Marvel Studios, if I'm not mistaken, actually had a kind of story group that saw to appropriate characterization and figuring out how to best take inspiration from the comics that best suited what these movies were trying to accomplish, but that went out the window when Kevin Fiege gained greater autonomy around 2015-2016 around the end of Phase 2, beginning of Phase 3, when Bob Iger removed Ike Perlmutter as a moderating influence. (Fiege would then answer directly to Iger at the top of the food chain instead of reporting to Perlmutter who was the final decision man.)

@@Tyler_W Very interesting and good to know. Cheers

Ego and agenda. That’s why

because these new movies have to send, the quote the Drinker, "...The Message'

I agree and it was a terrible disservice to Falcon. He could have been the new leader of the Avengers or something. But they decided to make him merely his skin color. Cool.

Her whole “mantle” idea is absolute proof that she had no business at Marvel in a position of authority.

Are you ? She was only a little part of a big problem

I still I am 😄

Where is Zemo at ?

They're going to be cleaning out her minions for the next 1-2 decades though. She probably had several diversity hires in HR, so it's going to be a long and messy process.

I'll grant that they are likable, but I think they went too heavy on the inexperienced kid thing. It worked with Parker, because he was the only inexperienced idiot in the room. The adults were still handling things. I don't know if audiences are going to respond wel to a team made of sarcastic kids.

It's stunning that a company with a built-in comic test audience could be failing this hard

For sure. I was actually excited to see that particular mantle pass because it's pretty much the only one that actually makes any sense whatsoever. They still fucked it all up though 😂

@@antonioyeats2149 if you really watch the show, it stank of re-writes. Even the "do better" speech was tacked on. Also, I think as hacky as it was, Sam was right and coming from the right place as a guy who couldn't get a loan... because he was dead.

@@vernonhampton5863 lol I'll take your word for it. I've gathered enough from random clips to know trying to actually sit through the show would just piss me off

@@antonioyeats2149 fair enough. There's plenty of other stuff to enjoy.

@Vernon Hampton Except when he ignored and antagonized a fellow soldier, who clearly had PTSD, in John Walker, despite it LITERALLY being his day job to be a combat veteran counselor, most likely merely due to his race. That's like being a doctor and refusing to save an injured person on the street on your day off because "that coon probably voted for Obama." That's how badly they f**k up Falcon in that horrendous Disney+ show.

only thing special about him in that regard is that he was never killed in action, which implies that he's the best at using the wings

I could have liked yelana. But she was inserted into black widow's movie as an obvious replacement. And yelana started on third base with a head start to home late. She should have lost handily fighting black Widow. She had no room for growth and I dislike the character. I won't go to watch her.

They are going in hard for the teenage hero thing and I don't see it working. Having one kid in Peter Parker was fun, but we still want a team full of adults who know what they're doing

@@gregowen2022 Agreed. I can’t really see how the new "avengers" would even work either. They don't really work as characters, let alone as a team. The new team has: - Sam, whose whole personality now is based on his skin color (poor Sam). - jen, who seems to hate men, or something. - kate, chavez & kamala, who are literally the same character. - yelena, who's a hypocrite, and it seems like she doesn’t even want to be an avenger. - cassie, who acts like the flag smashers from falcon and the winter soldier. - and riri & shuri, but I really don't know what those two are like. They too seem to be pretty similar though.

I know a lot of people have mixed feelings because they like The Falcon. That's what I think makes the show such a betrayal. Rather than bringing his character to the forefront and developing him more, they tried to cram him into a Steve-shaped box and paint the whole thing with a shallow political message. I think the best move would have been to let the shield stay on the wall as a remnder of heroism or whatever and move forward with The Falcon taking a more prominent role as his own person

@@gregowen2022 Do you think Bucky should have gotten the shield?

@@mallorycarpinski1160 no, I don't think that would have worked. I know people think that since they were friends from the beginning he should have, but a notorious former russian killing machine wouldn't be a good look for captain America. They are working on Bucky's redemption arc, but handing him the shield isn't it. In the cinematic universe, I think Cap should just stay dead, but if they really felt they absolutely had to have a new one, I think it should have been a new character like John Walker. Winter Soldier was already Winter Soldier. Falcon was already Falcon. No one needs to be 'upgraded' to captain america

Maybe it would've been fun if anyone cared about these three characters. I don't think they even get the point of a Freaky Friday scenario either since they seem to only swap locations or something? Maybe powers too? I can't even tell. Plus these characters don't even know eachother and are barely connected, there are just so many issues just from the concept of this movie alone.

Not surprised. These Left Wing Conspiracy Theorists always try to deflect any true criticisms of the MCU

Its like trying to debate a creationist. Waste of time. You might as well explain gravity to a pigeon.

Miles Morales is still a solid characters though, well, maybe the movie version😊

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@@curious5887 Miles’s biggest flaws: - We’ve yet to see a original villain. He’s dependent all on Spider-Man’s villains. - He’s biracial, yet they’re heavy on his black-ness and not his other side. Sure they’ll throw something in here and there but for the most part he’s a straight up black kid and yes I’m black. - Too many cooks in the kitchen. Disney’s main goal is to try to take one “mantle” and create a hero based on that mantle for every demographic there is but this also waters down the uniqueness and rarity of the superhero power.

@@Ardante11 yeah, I say movie versions only, the comic one is terrible

Marvel has been doing mantle exchanges for a lot longer than that. Typically the original would take back their mantle after a couple years due to fans getting bored with the new character but there is a long history of it. Off the top of my head, Rhodey was Iron Man for a couple years in the 80s, John Walker became Captain America in the 80s, Eric Masterson replaced Thor in the late 80s, we had numerous people taking on the Ant-man/Giant-man/Goliath/Yellowjacket mantles over the years, and if you want to really go back a bit the Fantastic Four's Human Torch was picking up the mantle from the old WW2 era character.

Yes I want to Dr doom to bitch slap captain feminist and she hulk like trash

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That's indeed the classic era, but there have been great runs since then. There were definitely some lengthy doldrums for a while there, but there has almost always been a really good run on the book at least once every decade. Personally, I think the last great Avengers run was Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers which culminated in his Secret Wars. There have been a handful of worthwhile books since then, but as a universe, the Marvel Universe got a satisfying conclusion wkth the end of Secret Wars, because Marvel Comics have largely been going downhill ever since as far as I'm concerned, and now Marvel Studios is following that exact same trajecotry for almost the exact same creatively bankrupt reasons.

Winter Soldier has led a team of Thunderbolts in the 2010s. He's led two different teams if I'm not mistaken, but my favorite one was when he was on a team with Punisher, Red Hulk, Agent Venom (Flash Thompson in a black ops military themed Venom suit), Elektra, and Ghost Rider. I don't think Yalena was technically a member of the Thunderbolts, but she has been in Thunderbolts stories, so she isn't completely put of place.

@@Tyler_W Okay. I heard that Red Hulk could be in the show, so that’s something. Isn’t Yelena a villain in the comics?

I haven't gotten around to the new The Suicide Squad though I heard good stuff. I was about to say that Thunderbolts could be good because audiences love a rag tag group of misfits and anti-heroes. Guardians of the Galaxy shows it. But then I realized gotg and 2021 suicide squad were Gunn movies and he's gone now. Marvel got rid of real directors and it absolutely shows