Someone described phase 4 as "when you 100% the story on an open world game, and you start cleaning up the mundane side quests and collectibles" and I literally can't think of a better analogy.
@EdittZz I haven't seen it, had it downloaded on my PC for almost a year, even had it on my phone for like 6 months to watch something when I'm bored and never did lol
fun fact, Marvel fired their own VFX head because she went to the Oscars this year for her own movie, and she didn't promote Marvel. the writers strike is a long time coming, and I really hope VFX artists get this publicity too
Yea the original blade was great o dont know how are they gonna top it but I really hope it's great ali is a great actor I hope they give him something to work with
Blade worked not because it was a all time great movie with a high production, it worked because people who were creative was behind it, MCU don't have those people.
@@TorontoWire Blade II especially, Guillermo Del Toro has some amazing practical effects and some scenes are still horrific and brutal. Even with the vampires turning to ash it was still very violent
Also, if I had a nickel for every time the Fantastic Four had a movie per decade, I'd have four nickels - which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened, by coincidence, four times in a row.
You're right. I guess I don't know my coins as much! XD Though technically it should be four nickels since they're 5¢. Unless you also want to count Rise of the Silver Surfer, which I left out since I'm not counting sequels. :P
My main problem with Phase 4 is that most movies are trailers for other movies, and those movies are trailers for other ones. Edit: After reading the replies I do think that the shows act more like trailers than the movies.
The writing has a billion peoblems in all movies beside this. I find myself amazed how many times the whole movie's plot only happens, because the charachters act out of charachter and make insanely dumb decisions, while they try to portrait everyone as they were actually really clever. Also there are so many convinient events that solve some problems in the mocies it is not even funny, and takes away any stake (which superhero movies dont have much anyways IN MOST CASES) and you find yourself bored after the halfway point. The problems are deep rooted imo, aside from the "lack of connection" Markus tries to emphasise. Also i would not call most Phase 4 movies MiD but straight up bad, as it does not even entertain till its runtime.
@@bacongaming1353a James Gunn movie specifically aka the only time Marvel let's a director tell his vision and GOTG was James' baby so i'll just call it an exception
NWH wasn’t popular because of the multiverse, it was because of Maguire and Garfield. Dr Strange MoM wasn’t popular because of the multiverse, it was because of Sam Raimi.
Facts, if NWH and MoM didn’t have those cameos or stuff like that, people wouldn’t be as interested or hyped. Like in the video, seeing NWH by yourself at home vs a crowded theater is a very different experience.
@@Sir0fficerNasty wrong! The F4 is one of the best teams in comics and it’s very possible to make a good movie. Their story is about family and how far they’re willing to go for one another. Whether its found family or blood, the F4 are always there for each other. They’re cosmic/interdimensional explorers. That could be so sick to see on screen.
I saw someone on Twitter say “What if Doctor Doom shows up and the first thing he does is make his mask disappear nanotech-style like all other characters?” And I think that is the exact thing that would permanently KILL my investment in the MCU.
I completely agree with you, after phase 3 they should've taken a break for a few years instead of shoving half baked projects down our throats over and over again
Disney Plus has been both a blessing and a curse for Marvel. On one hand, it gives them avenues to tell solo stories with characters they wouldn’t do in a movie. On the other hand, it’s given them this quantity over quality mindset where it feels they’re too stretched thin for quality control and we are getting shows for the sake of getting shows even if they have no real purpose. Like did anyone really ask for an Agatha or Echo show?
I’d take an Echo show over Agatha. Idgaf about evil Salem witch trials chick, Echos an actual cool character in the comics and I’d love to see her in more stuff.
@@atraina6921 shouldn't it be the other side? Quantity for cinema so people come in again and again. Quality for subscriptions so your stable revenue stream is guaranteed
@@-Scrapper- they have to feed the disney + machine so it justifies people's subscriptions. It needs quantity, or else people will just unsub and wait till there's a big show to sub again. All of this to compete in the streaming wars. And it's a very expensive thing to sustain. I don't know how a company that has absorbed so many studios can't come up with a reasonable quantity and quality, tho.
I can't get over how they just completely stomped on Thor and Doctor Strange. They made Thor an incompetent bumbling idiot in Love and Thunder, and Doctor Strange keeps getting his ass kicked in every movie he's in, like his powers literally mean nothing at this point. Also, you gotta love how Doctor Strange had to train for months alongside experienced monks to be able to use basic magic. Then Ned learns the same magic by complete accident simply because "magic runs in his family."😂
what i believe should have happened in Thor would him trying to be all bublly but slowly be beaten down to the point where he rarely makes any jokes. Just slowly evolves into a broken Thor.
Something I remember is that early MCU didn’t have access to characters ppl actually know like Spider-Man, X-Men, Hulk (kinda) and the Fantastic 4. So they had to make people care about characters like Iron Man and Starlord by making the movies good and memorable Now that Disney owns everything and they can just have whoever appear, there are more meaningless cameos and less heartfelt attempts to get us to like characters we don’t know yet
They had access to Adam Warlock and Nova, having those 2 in infinity war and especially Adam in endgame would’ve been a better ending rather than a stupid multiverse
Dr. Strange 2 encapsulates the writing problem for the MCU. 3 weeks before production, with many sets and props already made, they approached Michael Waldron to write an entirely new script for the movie. He managed to make a first draft, which they then promptly threw away and then told him to *make it up as they went along*. This is explicitly stated in the behind the scenes footage of the movie.
If the writer "freestyled" most of the movie then they actually did a great job with it. Multiverse of Madness was not a bad movie compared to the rest, the only issue for me was how they handled Dr. Strange's character which marvel has been doing poorly for every appearance since Endgame.
@@strokedeath1614I agree it was a good film, but not the best out of the guardians films. I loved the rocket scenes, Adam warlock, nebula and drax were also stand out greats in this. But for me groot looked stupid, I hated the whole bit where they had to go inside that place and Nathan fillion was wearing that stupid suit thingy, I think that looked awful. And then at the end Peter finally meeting his family was great but then at the end of the credits just to say “starlord” will return shocked me, after all the character development with nebula she should be returning to, the new gotg team should too, makes no sense
My biggest gripe with Marvel in general rn is that the Blip is just completely unexplored. There must’ve been heroes coming to fruition during it, and there must’ve been stories worth telling
This right here, every story they've covered has taken place after Endgame but Endgame takes place 5 years after Infinity War. You really telling me nothing interesting happened during that time? It's also the perfect way for smaller heroes to come to the forefront since most of the big ones were taken out during that 5 year period.
They could've written an entire phase just around that 5 year period...but likely couldn't have convinced the main non-snapped cast to stick around that long.
I would've loved if they used the blip as an excuse to fit mutants in. We know the X-men are coming, but I have no clue how they'll be included comprehensively other than more multiverse trash. Its been less than a year and a couple of movies, but I'm already tired of the "because the multiverse" excuse being used for things popping up. How about, after the blip, some people, specially teenagers, return with some form of superpower that affects their bodies in weird ways, causing stress, confusion and a decay in mental health. The sudden nature of that could breed the Academy, where they are taught how to control and channel their powers for good, later "graduating" as superheroes. It could also lead to a lot of relatable storylines for teens struggling to fit in and damaging those they love due to factors they don't understand. But nahh... the blip is just a big chunk of nothing and completely irrelevant now. Idk, the lack of heart is really just tangible now.
@@1-upking119 And it doesn't even make sense, Wanda has access to the entire multiverse, which has an infinite amount of possibilities and chooses the universe where Vision is either dead or a deadbeat dad.
They were going to follow Endgame with Guardians 3. A much more worthy follow up than Black Widow. They screwed themselves over when they fired James Gunn.
They really need to make Loki the new Nick Fury. The connective through line that ties all these stories together. Imagine a frantic Loki appearing at the end of each movie with a vague warning about Kang and the TVA. Could even explain a lot of the new origin movies saying that they're catastrophes or alternate timelines that are about to be wiped. Then it could lead to a big avengers movie where the worlds are merged or something.
GOTG Vol.3 is probably my most anticipated movie this year besides Dune 2 and Spiderverse 2. It is the finale of a trilogy of movies that have meant a lot to me personally. So if that ends up sucking I think I’ll just go into my villain arc.
Marvel will be dumb if they don't treat this with care. I 100% believe the FF can become a billion dollar IP if they stick to comic accuracy and have a good script.
I agree, there's very little heart, and so so few moments that we all remember in this phase. The only reason we still care enough to hear how it's doing is cause those movies used to have a ton of heart, a ton of development and character moments that would not only stick with us but also build up to climatic "audience loses their shit" moments yeas later. The planning and interconnectedness feels lost now. Cap picking up the hammer or finally having his dance with Peggy only hit hard cause it was seeded super early on. But yeah as Cosmonaut said, now it feels like their chucking shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
@@Wishmaster787 I envy you, only watched 2 of their shows, felt stretched out a lot, plus streaming shows have a weird feel to them, like their not normal shows, it's hard to explain
Hot take: She-Hulk was great, I enjoyed this every episode except the last one. As for Thor 4, Taika Waititi should be in jail for that movie. I can't believe Ragnarok and Love and Thunder were directed by the same person. It made me believe we're not in a multiverse saga of the MCU, we're in a Secret invasion saga with the breaking of the 4th wall, where instead of replacing superheroes in the MCU, Skrulls replaced all the marvel executives IRL.
The Avengers current state: R.I.P. Tony and Natasha Cap is Joe Biden now Hulk has become a joke Thor has gone back to being part of bad/mediocre movies and is still trying
@Synister1004 He was gonna become an old guard and train and be a mentor to new avengers as he is now partially deaf but because of the actors accident and how bad it was I'm not sure we will see him come back so that will change alot of plans, unless he is recast.
Honestly, if I were Marvel, I'd just relentlessly go after those Hulk film rights and then go as hard as possible trying to make an insanely good Hulk film. He's one of the few A-list players they have left, Ruffalo still seems to be down for Hulk stuff, there's still yet to be a universally loved Hulk film, and it would probably garner a lot of hype given that the last standalone Hulk film came out 15 years ago. Like, it seems like such an ace-in-the-hole.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical they've been setting up a World War Hulk film so maybe? This year Universal has to give back the rights for both Namor and Hulk back to Marvel so the possibility is high. I just want a return to his roots with The Incredible Hulk and Avengers, he's too much of a joke now. I prefer Hulk when he's in control or savage
The amount of copium everywhere for Marvel is nauseating though like people actually hope Marvel woyld get better but its been sucking for a reason and removing that reason is how you actually fix things but thig is you can't so its pretty much doomed at this point. Problem is F4 doesn't really have that great of a story either so it's actually harder to make that work i actually think they have no material good enough to make a comeback but the shows are making bank enough for them to dont even care so another angle thats doomed aswell.
@@m0n4rch911 It's not "copium" to hope something gets better, people just aren't pessimistic by nature because they know it makes for a super shitty personality to be around.
@@m0n4rch911 Imagine thinking, unironically, that F4 doesn’t have good stories. Imo, F4 is Marvel/Disney’s chance to inject some heart into the MCU again. They are literally “Marvel’s First Family”. You want to win hearts and minds? Hit the family element hard, let the story follow. Give them Mole Man or a B lister as the villain if you absolutely must have a “bad guy” and focus on the family dynamic and bingo bango bongo Bob’s your uncle. We’ve seen Disney allow villainless family trauma/drama in their animation department. If they let the writers express themselves like they did with Encanto, you’ve got an actual good movie (not just a good MCU movie) on your hands. And they should leave Doom out of it, aside from maybe a post credit tease. The man almost needs a solo movie a la Books of Doom to establish his character.
I still watch No Way Home at home by myself and I'm ok with the pauses, mainly because I'll stop doing the dishes to watch those scenes and cheer solo. Freaking love that movie.
I'm really glad he brought up how awkward it is to rewatch No Way Home on your own. That's exactly how I felt after watching it when it came out on home release! The way I described it to my friends is that it's like watching those edited clips of Friends or Big Bang Theory where there's no laugh track, so all the characters are unnaturally standing in silence.
neither of those shows have a laugh track, both have a live audience, so there's more of a reason for the actors to actually pause. but i get the point.
watching NWH in theatres was honestly an unforgettable night for me, but when i tried watching it again, i realised its rewatchability factor is extremely low
Still feel like I’m in an alternate reality when I hear people praise Loki. Like I’m from the dimension where that show had a The Room level script and bizarre performances (Owen Wilson acting circles around Tom Hiddleston ) while everyone else got to see this amazing work of art.
@@DatBrasss I don’t understand how people like that movie either. It’s awful, especially compared to the first Doctor Strange movie, which is by no means a top MCU movie
People like the doctor who-like adventure. Plus it was the best intro to mcu's multiverse. Way better than what MoM and No way home portrayed. Good intro to Kang too. Loki turned out to be the most important show/movie to watch moving forward to phase 5. You can skip all the other series and you wouldn't miss much. I do like MoonKnight too, but only as a one off. I actually dont want it to connect to the main mcu. Kinda like DC's Sandman. It's DC but not really.
I mean to be fair to Chris Hemsworth he found out he has genetic markers for alzheimers and wants to spend more time with his family. I'm sure he'd be game for more Thor if that wasn't the case.
Or rather mid movie fatigue. If you want actual bad movies, look no further than the decade of the 2000's. The 2010's and this decade thus far have been the era of mid tier cinema.
No Way Home is unironically one of my favorite movies but the first time I watched it alone at home I burst out laughing because without the audience to cheer and freak out, it was like watching an episode of Friends with the laugh track removed
Kind of glad this phase was the phase I had a kid during. I have missed most of the films and then went to watch the good ones after they have been out a while.
I feel like the MCU needed a Star Wars the Clone Wars style anthology show taking place during the blip. There’s so much potential for interesting stories there to expand the world and characters but they did nothing with it.
Well they relegated the BLIP to a single throwaway gag in a single Spider-Man movie and then swept it under the rug because writing the implications for that would take effort and not be so full of fucking jokes like they seem to want all their movies to be these days.
Should've made the second Spiderman take place during the blip, a lone Spiderman in a New York City with a power vacuum would have been so cool and you would have the built in reason as to why he's the only hero around. It would probably have made the third film where he has help from other spidermen even more impactful after going through the second film alone or maybe just with MJ
nah - we need to move the story forward or it's gonna fall apart even more. We've already had most of the last few movies not move the story forward at all. Black Widow did absolutely nothing but conclude her story in a shitty movie. Eternals didn't even seem connected to teh MCU at all. Ant Man 3 took place all in the quantum realm and was all about killing 1 Kang and we already knew there were a bunch of kangs if you watched loki. It did nothing to move the story forward. this produces this stagnate effect and the audience can feel it. its boring Not to mention 4 shows of 6 that were just garbage. No one is going to see The Marvels. I think this is gonna be the last phase cus these things just aren't going to make money
Ironically, I actually despise the whole multiverse theme that the MCU is going for. I feel like the more complicated and complex the plots keep going, the less impactful the stakes are for me. It wasn't enough that the world is at stake in every movie, it wasn't even enough that the whole universe is at stake, it's now the multiverse and it's getting really repetitive and tiring.
I knew this would happen the minute they introduced the multiverse as a concept. though to be honest, I always though DC would be the first to fuck it up on the big screen (they already fucked up in every other way possible)
i was talking abou this from the beggining. multiverse sucks as a concept and as as a story device, time travel too, which made endgame much worse than infinity war
Time travel and multiverses = no stakes. Even though I'm happy Gamora is back, it was bittersweet because I knew we were entering the "no ones ever really gone" arc of the MCU.
I found it funny how a single film that are relatively smaller budget than most of mcu movies is better at handling and presenting the concept with multiverse while also tells the story of human concepts of life
One of the biggest issues is the novelty of the shared universe has entirely wore off by now. It isn't new and special anymore. + A lot of their now iconic characters are either retired or dead. Not to mention super hero fatigue is very real if you wanna keep up with EVERYTHING it's all consuming.
This is why I love Cosmonaut. He sums stuff up so damn well. People have hours long videos on RU-vid trying to explain the problems with phase 4 half as well as Cosmo just did in 10 minutes.
Same, I appreciate a good video essay every so often but like I get it dude, you went to college for creative writing and you’re trying to figure out how to make into a career but chill tf out man, I just want to know if the new John Wick is good I didn’t ask for a dissertation on New York mob culture.
i enjoy his content, but sometimes i feel like if he doesn’t find something to complain about, he’ll try so hard to find the smallest thing to get mad over, im not talking abt this vid specifically, but in other vids i’ve seen him say. “i couldn’t find anything else to complain about, so i had to try really hard to nitpick things” i feel like he doesn’t know he can talk about a movie without having to find things to get mad about, he can just talk abt what he likes, it doesn’t always have to be “this movie sucks”
Exactly like I just feel those "videos essays" videos with over dramatic titles and thumbnails with an hour long duration are too much, like chill out dude I know the new batman movie is good I don't need you to ramble on about it for an hour
@@somerandolad If the MCU was made as it is now when it first started, this is how it would look like. All of phase one would conclude in 2008 and Avengers would release in 2009, all of phase two would release in 2010 and the next Avengers would release in 2011, all of phase three would release in 2012 and the next Avengers would release in 2013
endgame was the end, there isnt any more iconic characters anymore to cover like spiderman ironman captain america, we dont even know any of these new ones were getting
The oversaturation of the MCU has definitely been a bigger detriment compared to the actual quality. I hate that Moon Knight and Shang-Chi are actually pretty good, but they've just been buried under all the mediocrity.
I agree, I thought they were both pretty good, and the eternals is good too in my opinion. Moon knight and eternals have a very different tone to usual mcu shenanigans, so perhaps that's why some fans were a bit nonplussed by them
Shang-Chi feels undercooked, like I feel the movie is mid but there's a lot of stuff in there that go underdeveloped (I completely forgot Wenwu was immortal until the last quarter, for example); Moon Knight still lives rent-free in my head, but I kind of agree with the claims that it could've been a movie
@@MakiPcr That's the problem these movies There are a lot of good ideas, but none are developed beyond an introduction and a brief acknowledgement afterwards
I really think Marvel needs to focus on a singular bad guy (so Kang in this case) and just work up to him while fleshing out their main new characters. They literally did this is the first three phases idk what happened. Plus they can get super creative and weird with their movies since they saw how well WandaVision did. I just wanna have fun in this world again but everything feels unfocused
Feel like its too latefor kang. Its insane that he lost to antman and the wasp in his first appearance. Imagine if thanos lost to the guardians in their movie
I thought a great thing they might do starting after Loki is have Kang be the villain in multiple movies, but have him progressively getting stronger. Like have him as a secondary antagonist that keeps getting away, or have a variant of himself in every movie that gets killed, but each variant is more evil than the next, building up to this big evil Kang all the other variants are scared of. Is that a good idea? Maybe not, is it even possible based on scheduling? Probably not. But at the very least it would be SOMETHING.
I totally agree with you... Marvel has bowed out since infinity war endgame.. they made their money and now they aren't making it out of passion but just out of greed... this current saga has so much potential getting wasted... the newer movies are each trying to ride off the waves of success of their predecessors 4 years ago and aren't trying to focus on QUALITY. Sigh... nothing lasts forever :(
The worst part is that I was never too interested in MCU movies (I watched them with my friends and to be updated), but this phase should have been big, and I was excited. Multiverse, new heroes, and villains. But, yeah.... I only liked Shang-Chi
yeah KSI made a good point saying he didnt know he had to do homework to watch a film, because you have to see all the movies in order from phase 4 to at least understand the plot
This is strange but the scene where Shang-Chi's parents met sticks with me. It's filmed and acted so beautifully. The music is also the only time the MCU has ever left an impact. The MCU needs some god damn audible identity if it wants to stick around.
Man, when I saw that scene I got so excited. I thought the movie was gonna be some Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon type deal. But nope, another generic marvel movie.
I definitely remember the likes of Infinity War's theme (which is kinda Thanos' theme let's be honest), as well as the music from the ending of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 but everything else doesn't stick.
I feel like this is kind of a dead meme. This was true for most of Phase 1-2 but a lot of characters have their own themes now and plenty of them have stuck in my head. As far as emotional impact, though, I agree. Shang Chi wasn't even an amazing movie but it stayed with me far better than anything else from that phase, minus maybe No Way Home
I find myself liking the stuff that can stand alone much more than the multiverse stuff. I just enjoy beimg able to understand almost all of it without the context of every other project. I loved Moon Knight for that, Shang-Chi is my favorite film from that era and - even though I might be the only one - loved Eternals which for me would have been a perfectly fine superhero film with cool ideas and great visuals but suffers from having to fit in the MCU.
A lot of people in my theater cheered when Andrew and Tobey showed up (including myself). It was an awesome moment to be a part of, but I do understand rewatching alone at home. It is a bit silly/awkward to just see them standing there and the camera switching between Andrew/Tobey and Zendaya and Jacob just looking at each other. 😅
@@tj2375 Besides the fan service, everything else is kind of weak like the story and plot holes. The only other thing it does well is conclude Peter’s arc of following in Tony’s footsteps and starting to become Spider-Man truly.
Dude this video breakdown critique cab be likened to the level of Vince Gilligan and Bryan Cranston breaking down how Breaking Bad and spinning off to Better Call Saul . So good so true - master work of critique vs audience reception and spinoff story logic rt great work 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
An honorable mention for Phase 4 is Werewolf by Night. Having a light horror movie in the MCU with very little jokes is something I’m very appreciative for. Plus, it being only 20 minutes I think is what gives it a lot of praise as well. They didn’t unnecessarily make an 8 episode series, or a full 2 hour movie. If Marvel decides to scale back, I think having more Specials like this will help. Marvel is a gigantic universe, and not every character needs their own show or movie.
"They are missing the heart." You get it. That's the most important thing missing in phase 4. That's why I still remember enjoying ant man 1, tfa, thor 1,etc even though they are not that of high quality but there was some passion put into it. Even Snyder's Justice League felt like it has a 'heart' but phase 4 is just exhausting for me.
What i liked about movies you mentioned ( first parts of Ant Man, Thor, Captain America, also Spiderman Homecoming would fit there) is having more intimate ending that work great without armies of nameless CGI drones put on awful background. I love first Thor for troubled relations of Odin and his sons, Ant Man for being a heist movie, Homecoming for having an antagonist who is not planning on conquering the world etc. The ending of Eternals was so absurd, that i can,t get over how all others movies seem to forget about it. Is MCU just going to be dragon ball z which at some point turned into shouting about power levels and pulling more and more absurd enemies out of ass?
@Moonlight I've seen most of the MCU movies and did the ritual of sitting til the end in the theatre to watch the end credit scene, but after watching The Batman I stood up because I just knew it wouldn't have an end credit scene because the movie itself was so good it didn't need one
Things that I really liked this phase were: Shang Chi, Spider Man, Loki, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight and Wakanda Forever. Other things had elements that I liked. This phase has definitely been weaker, but I’ve still been having a good time.
Agreed, I know some feel more critical about it or give it unnecessary hate, but I still enjoyed it, even the not well received stuff I found enjoyable or considered middle ground. I personally don’t find any MCU movie bad, cause there’s always something good in it. Sure they can be considered forgettable or mediocre, and think I’m crazy all you want but for the moment I’ve so far nothing bad in the MCU. I do however think they do need to get some stuff together. Give us a good story, great characters, VFX doesn’t have to be Bayverse Transformers level but put some effort, if you put cameos or something like that, make it worth the while, cause if not then I see it has purely fanservice (looking at you Multiverse of Madness). Follow all of those and I’m pretty much all set!
Disagree with wakanda forever it honestly is a terrible cash grab and felt so forced that they made the sister the new black panther it shouldn't have been made.
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Thank you for calling out the awkward feeling of No Way Home. I wasn’t able to see it in theaters, so when I finally did sit down to watch it, I was so confused. All the dialogue scenes just felt weirdly paced, and the movie’s flaws become so hard to ignore when you don’t have a bunch of cheering fans.
This is very apparent with a lot of Marvel films, I remember people hyping up Thor 3, which is also full of awkward jokes and cringe humour, and, is really badly written generally. When I watched it at home, I was shocked by how much it didn't work out of the cinema, with the atmosphere of people laughing etc.
I honestly think they should've gone back to solo movies with their own FLARE after _Avengers: Endgame_ because that's what made the MCU the MCU. It wasn't some knowledge of "yes we KNOW we're good we can do whatever we want." they had no idea it would turn into what it's turned into. That's why Phase 1 feels disjointed; that context is IMPORTANT to understand. They're disconnected with HINTS of being connected because Marvel higher ups didn't KNOW if it COULD be connected. There's no reason for phase 4 to feel like it went absolutely nowhere when it went absolutely nowhere. But each movie felt so disconnected from the overarching plot which is the mutliverse war. _MoM_ only went to two multiverses, _Shang-Chi_ felt very out of place even if it was a very well directed and acted and written movie, _No Way Home_ was a wonderful celebration of Spider-Man but more so concludes Peter's trilogy not the MCU's story. _Black Widow_ felt entirely pointless and just introduced Yelena as a new Widow since Nat is gone. _Eternals_ was interesting but again didn't push the narrative forward at all; in fact they actually had the gall to try and say Thanos was RIGHT which is a moral debate you'd never actually be able to have because you SHOULDN'T be able to so readily go with mass genocide to fix over population-the entire point of Thanos' plan is while it may seem like a quick fix, it's still MORALLY wrong no matter how balanced or fair or impersonal the choices of who's dusted are. _Wakanda Forever_ also felt very isolated as a tribute to Chadwick. We don't talk about _Love and Thunder._ And don't even get me started on the shows that went absolutely nowhere too. AND have now become obsolete because of the films. Moon Knight had an interesting idea, but botched the finale. TFATW does a good job exploring things post Snap, but again doesn't push the narrative FORWARD. WandaVision does a good job exploring grief and loss but again doesn't do anything to set things up OTHER than Wanda going into her fast traveled villain arc. Hawkeye is just there to introduce us to Kate Bishop which is cool. She-Hulk just basically made fun of the marvel formula while still sticking to the marvel formula. Ms Marvel was cute but again just felt like filler. What If...? was interesting at least. But again filler. It did nothing to add to the Cinematic Universe like they said it would-Strange Supreme was NOT in Multiverse of Madness so why say it would tie in? Loki is the only one that sets things up. NOTHING ELSE does a THING to continue the arc of Kang the Conquerer. We won't even see him again until _Antman and the Wasp: Quantumania._ Where he gets beaten BY ANTMAN who as much as we love Paul Rudd, is a C tier hero. Not to the level of Stark and Rogers. What were they thinking? The writers need to understand that plot and characters are as intertwined as Jack Sparrow and Johnny Depp. You CAN'T have good plot and BAD characters, you can't have GOOD characters and BAD plot. The audience needs to care about BOTH for the movie to stick. Write GOOD solid, ENGAGING stories with SOLID GSU (goals, stakes and urgency) and the rest should come easy. Marvel is relying too much on name brand recognition and loyalty at this point. Where once the audience took the Marvel Cinematic Universe for granted, now Marvel Studios is taking us the audience for granted. And that's going to backfire. I still can't believe they had SEVENTEEN PROJECTS released in just a couple of years that's insane.
I heard that the new Daredevil series won't have Karen and Foggy. I think this is ludicrous considering that they were kinda the heart and soul of the original series. My favorite scenes were just of them and Matt hanging out.
I have a feeling this show won't have them in it because they aren't a factor, didn't he split with Foggy in Season 3? With what the cast looks like, it seems it's going to be a more Daredevil driven story than Matt, which I'm fine with, let Karen and Foggy come on later, plus they might be busy with other projects
I actually just watched NWH recently by myself at home and it was still entertaining as hell. But maybe it’s because I did see it in theaters when people were going nuts. So it still felt the same.
I watched it by myself also at home. I didn't see it in theatres. And I thought it was...boring. Aside from the collaboration of all three spider-men and ending, the rest of the movie felt flat. I was really disappointed because I had a lot of hype for the movie.
Lets be honest, the movie is very flawed. I love seeing tom and andrew. But the movie is arguably not even a movie. There is no real plot, no chracter development (excpet the death of aunt may) and the reason the entire thing is happening makes no sense. Just a bunch of villains coming back to the same point with other 2 loved characters fightning it out for like 2 hours.
I watched No Way Home twice at the theaters and 3 times at home and I still enjoyed it. Yes the feeling is not the same as the first time watching it at the theaters but It still is an amazing movie in my opinion.
I think the biggest issue for Phase 4 is that they were figuring out Disney+ shows while also setting up the multiverse. If it were movies only, I think we could've had some really special movies with WandaVision, Loki, etc. Phase 5 I look forward to since we are going to be setting up Kang Dynasty. Nothing was outright horrible, imo, but it was bigger than Phase 1, and with so many storylines starting, it's bigger than it's ever been, but because of it, we haven't gotten it focused yet.
I would make the argument that Thor Love and Thunder was horrible, and maybe Eternals (although I mostly found that boring and nonsensical in places) but practically everything else was just average and excessive
I feel like with the pandemic ruining their plans they had to reshuffle everything. I feel like Kevin has been worn thin by splitting his attention between the films and shows all while trying to play catch up with what they've got planned. Phase 4 felt rushed in a lot of places and uninspired, like they were going through the motions with setting stuff up with no clear end goal. Turning films into shows or vice versa. It's a clear lack of focus with Marvel rushing to the next major team up all while juggling something as vast as the multiverse and setting up various heroes, who have yet to even meet. It seems like Marvel is back peddling a bit with some of their plans by turning some projects like Armor Wars/Captain America/Thunderbolts/Vision Quest into Avengers 4.5 (assembling the new team and bringing the heroes together again so it doesn't feel so disjointed). I feel what Marvel should have been doing is telling only a few origin stories and pick up with all the major franchises, letting them have major implications with setting up future teams or crossover events. There isn't much room for a dozen ground level heroes all while we've got the New Avengers, F4 and X-Men waiting in the wings
The issue is they're choosing quantity over quality and its clear they are getting over worked and this wasnt an issue until Disney touched it same bull with star wars they need to slow tf down and let us actually enjoy quality content cause if they actually did that the female characters that they throwing in I guarantee they'd be better written
I believe both Thor 4 and She-hulk to be outright horrible content. The former disregarding established lore (eg, Thor is actually big old alien and not a God) and serious moments cheapened for comedic relief which also didn't stick (Ragnarok and infinity war Thor still held their dramatic aspect). And then you have She-hulk, a series with no clear goal in mind apart from giving the creators a platform to push their wokeness at best and to vent at worst, leading to some of the worst moments of the MCU (srsly, considering that a suicide survivor with child trauma, who was always hunted and feared because of his alternate personality is in a better state has no idea what pressure and fear a girl being catcalled faces?) And even then, all the villainous women of the series are pure comedic relief, all men however are either incompetent or pure evil misogynists. And then you have eternals, which imo could have been better but it just introduced many concepts that it was too hard to keep up and also care for the relevant characters. For almost everything else, the issue is that people were cheated when the titular character of a show was not even the protagonist (Dr Strange 2, Black Panther 2, etc) something that could only work for Hawkeye imo, since he always was someone doing his own thing in the background.
I swear there is so many man baby’s out there saying marvel movies are woke, the word had practically lost meaning when they use it for every entry in the mcu
9:16-9:20 Aged so well, and so fast. It’s so sad that 4 years ago Marvel made a movie that, for a time, was the highest grossing movie of all time, and now one of their films barely cracked $200 million WORLDWIDE!
One review that I saw for Ant-Man has really summarized the feeling that I have about superhero movies and shows at the moment, it was "Superhero movies are going through a phase right now not unlike the Western's of the 70s", quantity over quality is going to be the ruin of the genre and it can be seen with such a large following right now of anything doing something new(ish) via either a unique medium like into the spiderverse or in subversion of the genre via the boys or invincible.
Morbius really set the standard for jokes very low, because this comment and other unoriginal ones like it are exceptionally unfunny yet get hundreds of likes.
I should say, at the time, wandavision felt like there was some real mystery to it, before the finale. And ever since I haven’t felt that same mystery since, maybe loki
Funny how your example of a superhero movie that was laboured over (spider verse) is also about the main character accepting themself and then getting their costume lol
I also think the phase suffered from not having an mini arc in addition to Kang. Phase 1 while setting the stage for the Infinity Stones was building up to the Avengers and I think if Phase 4 was spread out more ended with an New Avengers movie that concluded an mini arc like for example an version of Secret Invadion while still building up Kang and the Multiverse in the background
I saw someone comment that with the first Avengers movie, you can tell it was a big deal and understand why phase 1 ends there. With phase 4, it just sort of ends after Wakanda Forever, and you wouldn't think of it as a beginning or ending to anything.
@@philbattiste9649 Until reading the comments here, I genuinely didn't know phase 4 is officially over, because why would I think that? That really is a problem with the MCU post Endgame, it just feels like it's meandering aimlessly.
Wait yeah what??? I watched Wakanda Forever yesterday and THATS the end to phase 4? What was that phase even about? Was there any kind of overarching plot in phase 4 or was it just showing off a bazillion characters and the fact that Kang is a guy that exists?
@@cyber_xiii3786 Fiege said phase 4 is about grief, but I don't think it's the lynchpin they think it is. Because for starters, grief is present in Marvel way before phase 4. Second, other phases had a narrative to them. Phase 1 built to the Avengers. Phase 2 set up the rest of the Infinity Saga while highlighting the tension in the Avenvers. Phase 3 was the Avengers falling apart and coming back together. Phase 4 is just sad things happening and then Kang shows up in the next phase.
its funny seeing this video right after they announced the Echo spinoff show because it genuinely looks like they most interesting project Marvel has done in a WHILE aside from Loki S2, since it is not bound to the stakes of the MCU as a whole.
My biggest problem is that if I just want to watch guardians of the Galaxy, if I never seen anything else I now need to watch like 30 other movies to get a storyline.
It’s not like there wasn’t potential after Endgame. I think Wanadavision set up some interesting stories about the aftermath of the snap, the effects it had on people who stayed, the grief of those who lost people permanently like Wanda and so on. I feel like if we had kept on that track, maybe we wouldn’t be here right now.
I also honestly think more and more videogame adaptations are coming if the new Mario movie is a success, and with the current successes of the Sonic films and HBO's The Last of US. Then, comicbook films/TV shows and the MCU would dwindle down from the general audience
I mean for a long time most superhero movies were terrible, until all of a sudden they became the golden goose. I think we might see a similar thing with video game movies.
@@eclipsicalbluestocking1182 And the worst thing for Disney is that they have almost _no_ video game-based IPs to draw from right now. They're way behind the rest of Hollywood on acquiring licenses for video game franchises. They did Prince of Persia once, and that failed miserably. They lost Mario to one of their chief animation rivals, and will likely lose the rest of Nintendo's IPs. Another main competitor Sony makes their own games consoles, so they have an everlasting well to draw from, while Disney shut down it's own games studios years ago. The only other notable IP games company I can see Disney draw from is Square Enix, since they already have Kingdom Hearts. But if Disney manages to piss away Square as well, they're honestly screwed.
When you keep fans on the edge of their seats and what is coming like in the end games and when something happened that's the type of thing that people are looking for in glamouring for so you got to do that
I did enjoy a lot of phase 4 but they NEED to slow down. Phase 1-3 Was spaced out to where the cohesion was consistent. I want to be excited for a marvel movie again. Guardians 3 might be the one. James Gunn hasn't let me down. I really hoping that's the film that will reignite my interest.
unfortunately, they won't slow down, at least not as much as they need to. it's not just them; companies all over think they have to crap out more and more product each year to make better profits. they don't understand its quality over quantity.
3:48 THANK YOU - you're the only other person besides myself to actually mention this. That was honestly the biggest problem I had with Eternals and was the exact moment the MCU fell apart for me. Marvel is trying to have its cake and eat it too now, with each film trying to simultaneously be world-ending stand alone entries but also still pretending to be an interconnected universe. The planet itself started turning into Unicron changing a huge portion of the planet for good and a giant space god appeared directly in Earth's orbit, and not a single show or film has yet to acknowledge what would otherwise be an event just as significant as Thanos killing half the planet. It's ridiculous. If these projects are going to be stand-alone entries then the threat level needs to be scaled down appropriately. Most of these films/shows now have threats that the Avengers would previously be gathering to fight, but now I'm supposed to believe that no other character or government agency is even reaching out to help.
@@ShadowSonic2 It'd be too little too late. The stuff that happened in Eternals was literally world changing, there would have been an immediate reaction in the next 2 or 3 projects after Eternals. Not no acknowledgement at all for a dozen movies/shows.
my problem is that marvel is shying away from the qualities that made the live-action films so popular in the first place, which is post-credit scenes (amongst other qualities of course). why do some series get a sneak peek & others don’t? i would understand if they only stuck post-credits to just the movies, but a few series have had them & others haven’t. post-credit scenes often are the only decent payoff after watching a film as bad as thor love & thunder for example and at least i can leave excited for whatever’s next. im starting to think we get less explanations or peeks into the future of the MCU because even they themselves don’t really know what that looks like.
Ok hear me out. I’m starting to miss seeing standalone movies where everything isn’t all so connected. For me, I really want a new hulk movie, not with professor hulk and a dozen cameos, just a plain ol’ hulk movie
What kept the gravy train rolling in phase 1 - 3 were the little Easter eggs and nuggets of info towards the next movie. It was rationed out to where it was fairly reasonable to keep up with how things will play out. The recent movies outside of Ant-man never gave much of anything for any story progression and when it did is now mixed in with the mass launch of tv shows now and it’s getting tiresome.
He’s just referencing the video dude. Marcus praised Loki for being unique but now falls into the mould of “accepts role, gets costume” trend of the others. The shows good, but it also follows the trend.
