HEREDITARY Review & Discussion 

You didn't note it here, but in the Joel's parking lot scene you can see the chalkboard in the backseat. She just bought the chalkboard she said was her grandson's favorite thing.

I Got this one James There were only 3 kills in Hereditary, one Male, 2 Female. With a runtime of 127 Minutes, that’s a kill on average every 42.3 minutes

The scene where Peter coughs when smoking is actually because it’s that special herb that’s needed to set up paimon taking over his body, the kid who gives it to him is in the clubhouse at the end of the movie because he’s part of the cult too

The mom mentions to Charlie at one point that Charlie never cried, even when she was born. Thats what makes me think she was always paimon

Charlie also says early in the film, “She wanted me to be a boy.” which makes me think that Paimon is inside Charlie the whole time. It also connects to Charlie cutting the bird’s head off with Paimon‘s obsession with heads.

“Women...can’t live with ‘em....can’t be a legit host for Paimon...”

Toni Collette said in an interview her husband in the movie is a therapist. She said he use to be her therapist & that's how they met.

I did some research on Paimon in demonology type texts and I found some interesting stuff. According to the demonology grimoires, Paimon is one of the "Cardinal Demon Kings", which means he pretty much only answers to Lucifer. He rides a camel (specifically a dromedary, which is a one-humped camel) while wearing a crown and being preceded by a great host of "spirits" who play instruments (the instruments specifically pointed out were trumpets and cymbals, but the text also says "and all other sorts of Musical Instruments"). Paimon is apparently a spirit of the air, can fly, and can allow others to fly, can make things appear and disappear, reanimate the dead, remain underwater indefinitely, create visions, and can call, order, and dismiss servants/spirits (some of this seem very familiar to events that happen in the movie). Paimon is also knowledgable in all things and can teach his followers all the secrets he knows if he chooses. He is associated with the West, and though I couldn't find anything in particular in the demonology texts about meaning assigned to "the West", though in other cultures throughout history it is often associated with spirituality, death/the afterlife, enlightenment, and freedom. Lastly (and this might be the most interesting part to me), in many texts, it is thought that "Paimon" might translate to "a tinkling sound" in an unspecified language, something that is often a reference to the Middle Eastern/Egyptian goddess Isis, a goddess who had magical powers, control over the skies and the natural world, protected the kingdom from enemies, and had power over fate itself (remind you of that Heracles lesson early in the film?). Paimon is also always described using masculine pronouns, HOWEVER, in all but one of the demonology texts, he is described as having the face of a woman.

Spoilers: Hereditary was one of the most unsettling movies I’ve ever watched. Toni Collette’s reaction to Charlie’s death and the screams just all sounded so real and it really just set a tone where I felt genuinely SCARED the rest of the film. Toni’s performance was INCREDIBLE, and she deserves an award for her role for sure. I really appreciated how the movie didn’t rely on cheap jump scares and just gave off a vibe of uneasiness.

My favorite exchange in the movie is when Annie is dreaming - Peter says “You tried to kill me” and Annie says “I didn’t, I was trying to save you!” I think subconsciously Annie somehow knew Peter’s fate, and was trying to save him from being damned or possessed by having a miscarriage. Incredible piece of writing.

I have never gasped so many times in a movie then I did seeing hereditary

I felt the same frustrated way bout the dad’s character development until the scene where he broke into tears in the car, which was a great moment, in that it made me really sympathise with him as the guy holding it together in the midst of a family that is Not Holding It Together (TM) I also thought the “But when you die” line was very indicative of Charlie’s own fear and immaturity - it’s a very young-child reaction to a first death, where suddenly the reality of mortality is omnipresent and a very real and present concern.

spoiler warning: the scene when Annie is banging her head on the attic door was one of the scariest and unsettling scenes i have ever seen, just the way she was moving, and how fast she was doing it was sooo creepy.

One subtle and scary-as-hell detail I noticed (which I haven't found called out anywhere yet) is in the final quick flip day-to-night exterior shot of the house... very small in the frame you can see one or a couple naked bodies standing in the yard. I genuinely let out a 'what the fuh!!' in the theater

The impression I got from Charlie was that she's always been kinda fused with Paimon, almost like Paimon himself is being reborn as a child, who is Charlie. Because Charlie was definitely creepy as hell while she was alive, and I was guessing maybe Charlie had gotten possessed as a baby, especially when you consider that Annie describes it as her "sacrificing" her infant daughter to her mother so she would leave her son alone. Also, my friend and I theorized that all the references to dead males were failed attempts at completing the ritual. Joan's I believe son and grandson both died (assuming she was telling the truth) presumably because they weren't part of the grandmother's lineage, and Annie's brother commits suicide because her grandmother was "trying to put people into him", i.e. Paimon

The demon was inside Charlie the whole time, I realized it at the end when Peter is posed and they say "we've corrected your female form"

I said elsewhere that this film understands pareidolia like no recent film that I've seen. It really captures what happens in your mind when you are alone in a dark room and ambient light is playing around with your comprehension of the space you're in. You see shapes of things that look like something else, something living and moving, and all of that. This is what a real horror movie understands. It's not, "Hey, let's do a loud banging noise to get the audience's attention" or whatever. One of the simplest words to describe what the film does is "seep". It is a film that seeps into you with very basic, primal chunks of human experience that we all recognize and take for granted.

Did anyone else notice one of the three naked cult members in the attic was Peters teacher?

something that’s easily missed in the beginning, when the family arrives back home, we cut to the interior of the house. there’s a brief moment before the family enters, we can hear what sounds like frantic footsteps coming from upstairs. as soon as the footsteps settle, the family enters the scene. That alone explains the triangle in Grandma’s room and that the cultists have been occupying their house for god knows how long 😂. The use of audio in this movie is just *chef’s kiss*

The scene of the son staring at the ceiling all night as the audience waits for the mother to find Charlie's body was so disturbing and painful to me that every bit of "horror" after that point was only a relief, like the scares were actually just saving me from thinking about that scene too much.

Oh, and after we get a firm understanding of what Charlie was, it is easier to process her death as not the death of an innocent child, but as a thing that didn't fit in the skin it was born with. Paimon seemed to be rather disoriented and unconscious of what he was and for that reason, I feel that "Charlie" was effectively Paimon in a psychogenic fugue state for 13 years.

This horror film is an ALL TIME horror film. And I’m not kidding

The scene with Charlie's allergic reaction really hit me hard, because when I was really little, I had a reaction just like hers to some food my mom made me. My face was swelling badly, I couldn't see, hear, speak, but what's worse was I couldn't breathe, I came so close to dying that night, people don't realize how serious allergies are, people don't realize how scary they are. My elementary school didn't take my allergy seriously because admittedly it's a weird allergy, so when a child kept bringing this food to school, the school didn't care and one day I broke out in hives because he sat across from me. Simply being around this food makes me break out in hives, ingestion can kill me, my allergy is airborne, they didn't believe me and I suffered the consequences because of their ignorance. So seeing Charlie's reaction really hurt because I could relate to her pain and fear, and it bothered me that her parents didn't have her carry her EpiPen with her, because she should have, after my reaction my parents made sure I always carried mine around with me, made sure my school had one in the office an my parents made sure I knew how to properly use it and that it's not a toy. I know if her parents did this her death scene wouldn't have worked but still, it bothered me badly. It was all too real for me, it actually brought back the feelings I had during my reaction, the fear was indescribable, and I have a phobia of not being able to breathe, (I once started drowning and the pain of losing my breath was awful) seeing Charlie so desperate for breath made me cry, I actually started to cry

Very keen eyes you both have. Loved this discussion between you two. I have a couple small details that I gathered from seeing the movie twice: - At the very beginning of the movie after Grandma's funeral, there is a shot of the empty house just before the family opens the front door. You can hear footsteps very quickly shuffling upstairs and then stop right when the front door opens. - At the first meeting, Annie talks about her brother killing himself because of his mom trying to put people inside him. I think Grandma tried summoning Paimon through him first, but failed when he took his life. Further putting the pressure on Annie to have a baby boy so she could try again. - Before Annie decides to visit Joan, she is working on her art and goes to grab more paint I believe, and an open bottle suddenly spills over the paper that Joan wrote her number down on. Annie's hand does not hit the paint bottle, nor does she even shake the table. It just falls with some unseen force, which in my opinion is either Grandma or the spirit getting Annie to notice the paper and call Joan. - The chip of "paint" Annie had in her mouth at Joan's looked more like dirt/mud to me. Which makes a bit more sense seeing that Joan had to have had a big part in Grandma's body being dug up. - When Peter's head is grabbed in bed, I believe this was Annie sleepwalking again as just before this happens the door is shown to be shut. When the scene cuts back to the room, Annie is already in there and the door is still closed. - Also I don't think you two ever mentioned the random cult words scratched on the walls of the house shown throughout the film. Which could be the works of Charlie, Grandma, or the cult members who were in the house when they planted grandma's body. - When Annie finds the book about Paimon, there is a photo of a person sitting atop a big pile of gold. The caption says something about the riches being given to the conjuror. Thus maybe giving a motive to the whole thing? Maybe he/she who conjures it will be given lifelong wealth. - On the day of final night where all the shit goes down, there is a wide shot of the house in the daytime before it flicks to pitch black. When it switches to nighttime, you can see in the woods around the house a bunch of naked cult members scattered throughout the property. This is just before Peter wakes up, where he looks outside at the treehouse and sees the light coming from it. Just before the scene cuts to the next, you can see that the motion detection light on the garage flick on. - I think you both were right in the sense that this demon cannot possess someone until they are truly in a state of complete grief/sadness. Peter was put in this state after the accident and the family problems following it. Annie, who was pretty strong throughout the entire film, was never vulnerable enough to be possessed until she accidentally lit Steve on fire when burning the diary. It literally shows her face in utter pain as she watches him burn and then quickly switch to a dead-emotionless look. Which I believe is the second she got possessed. At this point the game being played is all on Paimon's rules, its doing whatever it can to break this family down and it obviously succeeds. Which I believe is the answer to why Annie didn't catch on fire when the book was thrown in like the first time. Just a couple things I noticed! Overall great movie. I would rate 10/10 easy. Love you guys! Take care!

Haven't seen anyone else mention it. But when Peter sees his dad's burnt corpse, Steve has his hands positioned the same way that Paiman did in the book Annie reads when we are first introduced to the demon.

At around 59:00 you talked about the doormats and I wanted to say that both of the doormats in the box were made for Peter and Charlie. However, Charlie’s doormat said “Charles” as opposed to her actual name, further exemplifying her grandmother’s desire for her to be a boy considering Charles is a more common male name as opposed to Charlie. The grandmother wanted her to be a vessel for the demon, which is further shown in this little detail.

spoiler about the ending: Towards the end of the movie when you’re following peter as he’s walking around the house, you can see the piano broken downstairs and there are some strings hanging outside of it and I’m pretty sure that’s what the mom used to remove her head, I noticed this my second time watching it and thought it was interesting.

Just did some research on Paimon and apprently his name actually translates to a tinkling sound, which essentially means a clear ringing sound or a ping. I believe this could explain the clicking that Charlie does because that is pretty close to a ping sound.

Spoilers but I assume everyone watching saw the film. When Charlie got decapitated there was a legit audible gasp in my theatre then just dead silence that you could hear a pin drop for a good 5 minutes. Did anyone else have a similar experience or what happened in your theatre when that twist happened?

the director has stated that the only time we actually see Charlie's spirit is when she possesses and talks through Annie during the seance in the living room with Steve and Peter. This can be evidenced by the fact that *this* Charlie talks like a scared little girl, so different from the Paimon-posssessed Charlie we've been seeing until now, who is sullen, distant, and strange.

Spoiler warning: The scene where Toni Colette is possessed and she's in the background, to be honest, that scared the hell out of me! It took me a second to notice her in the background!

I was never a big fan of horror all throughout my life, but your guys' passion and entertainment value really wants to make me get into it. I've been following this channel endlessly for about a year now, and I love every video. You guys really put out some solid content

I finally saw this film with my girlfriend last night. When Peter was taking Charlie out of the party to rush to the hospital, my dad walked by and asked "She gonna die?" And I said "No, she's the main character." Little did I know...

24:00 when they mentioned Charlie’s art pieces being similar to what birds do with their nests I immediately thought “THE TREE HOUSE IS HER NEST!!”

Those pictures on the album really got me. I felt like I was watching a secret, i dont know...so creepy and real.

Hey James and Chelsea, I found an interesting secret in the Hereditary soundtrack. In the song,”Party,Crash”, you can periodically hear what sounds like someone gasping for air. It’s a cool yet creepy touch put in by the Colin Stetson. Spoopy!

When Annie is talking to Charlie in bed, she mentioned that Charlie never cried even when she was a baby. To me this lends credence to the theory that Paimon has been a part of Charlie since she was an infant. It likely started when the grandmother started breast feeding her. There was probably a ritual involved around that time to summon Paimon into Charlie.

This movie horrified me in a way I’ve never felt before. Don’t even know what to think. Edit: Thanks James and Chelsea!

i think the scariest part for me was when toni colette decapitates herself. you can't see what she's using or most of the gore of it (besides the blood) but it's the audible sounds of sawing it off that was so disturbing for me.

I screamed so many times and held my teenage daughter’s hand during most of the movie. At the end, I believe that Peter died and the light entered him so he can be controlled by Paimon

I just saw the movie for a second time yesterday and I noticed something. In the scene where the mother is painting the miniature of her mother in the hospital, she reaches over to pick up a bottle of orange paint, but knocks over a bottle of teal paint. But there is NO way she could have knocked over the bottle of teal paint it was too far away. The angle of the camera makes it look like she knocks it over to the audience, and she doesn't notice it herself. It spills onto the scrap of paper Joanie wrote her number on. My theory is Paimon knocked it over in order to jump start the possession of Peter.

I love everything with this channel but the unedited podcasts in particular are like a whole nother level of freaking amazing. There’s just something about them.

the scariest part was surely when toni cut her own head off. still get haunted by it to this day.

The other similarity Peter has with Charlie is when his body locks up in class the same way hers did after the accident.

SPOILEEEERRRSSS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I dont feel its rite to blame the son for the accident at all, It was just a horrible tragedy. They make it seem like he shouldn't have been speeding, leaving out the fact that his little sister is literally dieing in the back seat and that if he didn't get her to the Emergency room as fast as possible there was a good chance she wasn't going to survive. I was in my seat screaming for him to go faster. So i dont think he needed to apologize for anything which what i think the father saw and why he was so worried about him seeing the diaram of the accident.

I thought I spoiled myself going into the movie because I thought someone accidentally told me Alex Wolff was beheaded with an axe. So that whole final act I was wincing at any close up shot of his head, expecting the axe jump scare lol This movie made my skin crawl, and I always love that in horror movies.

There are very few movies that have disturbed me and gotten under my skin quite as much as Hereditary. I was completely taken aback and utterly unprepared for how horrensously upsetting this movie is. And on top of it all it was just such a well-made movie. The set design was amazing. The acting was beyond phenomenal and Toni Collette deserves SOME form of fucking award for her work in this movie, and... I honestly can't gush about it enough. I would say it's my favorite horror movie, but that honor still probably goes to It Follows because I don't think I ever want to watch Hereditary again.

my theory for this movie is that very little of it is actually real. it seemed to me that the blue light was meant to be a glint from annie's magnifying glasses as she was looking down on her miniatures. i think she created the plot of the movie through her miniatures as a way for her to cope with the loss of her mother and the connection they never really had. the plot is so dark and disturbing because annie's mind itself is plagued with generations and histories of mental diseases. or, it could just be the spooky satan cult.

The scene when Toni Colette finds her daughters body in the backseat of her car, but all were seeing is her sons face while we hear Toni wailing in the background is still one of the most haunting scenes I’ve ever seen. The raw level of emotion displayed from Toni and the dead eyes and the shock Peter is displaying is in-cred-i-ble. Should have both been nominated for oscars, performances were absolutely stellar

In the last few years, Ari Aster (Hereditary and Midsommar), Robert Eggers (The Witch and The Lighthouse), and Jordan Peele (Get Out and Us) all released 2 horror movies. And all of those movies account for 100% of their feature films, and they are ALL AMAZING. That seems so statistically nuts to me that 3 directors have such similar career trajectories at the same time. But Hereditary is my vote for the best of them all. The absolute top tier or horror films.

If you want an even deeper dive, I'd highly recommend the Horror History video on this. They go into great detail about the movie and the specifics of Paimon

I know I'm very late on this reply, but Milly Shapiro was actually on Broadway before this movie! She was one of the actors playing the titular character in Matilda. You can hear her in the Broadway soundtrack in the song "Quiet" [since the girls took turns with songs].

The family home WAS built as it's own 'dollhouse' inside the studio, in order to achieve those extraordinary shots by removing/replacing walls. Good eye Chelsea! P.S. you're so pretty 😊

This movie has been freaking me out all weekend. I couldn’t even walk around my house in the dark

after avoiding spoilers for a year, I finally got around to watching it. oh my goodness.. I rarely get so creeped out by movies but I literally couldn’t sleep well after seeing it. I want to watch it again to catch what I missed but I think I’ll wait a while

Heracles also killed his family while possessed. That probably ties into the story as well lol.

Honestly it’s just one of the best horror movies I’ve ever seen

I believe the tongue clicking is something that Paimond does, explaining that Charly was already possessed from the beginning of the movie. And when Peter does it when he walks towards the treehouse after jumping out the window proves that now he is possessed. I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS AND PODCASTS!!!

I think that the decapitations represent the loss of your mind that controls everything you do which means losing one's self completely and allowing the demon to enter a host.

The reason Steve went up in flames is becasue Paemon had “tricked” Annie with the sleeve on fire to believe it was linked to her but in the Paemon book and in Paganism Paemon is known as a trixter Demon, who uses tricks and manipulation to prey on his victims, the blue light is one of his sure signs meaning he’s manipulating reality to mislead his target. He got Annie fully believing she would die and end this curse burning it but tosses in and Paemon lights Peter up not slowly like Annie’s a leave but ina shocking boom Paemon did that to break her down to possess her becasue she “misread “ the sleeve fire and now SHE jsut killed her husband when the reality was it was Paemon, it wouldn’t have mattered who tossed it in Peter would have burned t the hey shocking image instantly wiper her out for Paemon to end yet her and then so Howard’him around the house.

This movie was very hard for me to watch. Something about this REALLY messed with my head and I couldn't finish it the first time I watched it

I kinda get the feeling that the demon *knew* he could either enflambe the mom, or the dad? And burning the dad put the mom into the right emotional state, so he could take her over? 'cause, I mean, settin' Toni Colette on fire wouldn't have furthered his goals. But the Dad? He's a skeptic, no loss here....*and* it gives him an in, to taking control over the mom. Sooooo....I feel like the Demon actually played *smart* here. (And now I feel icky for saying that.)

also the hand shape that peter makes in the classroom is the shape of the cane handle held by the paemon effigy thing in the attic in the end

I figured that Peter's teacher was part of the cult after he waved Peter into the classroom after the light covered the High School. I think the room was hexed to give the demon power and possession abilities. It explains why that weird stuff only happened to Peter in that classroom.

I’m late, but I watched Hereditary when it came out on Amazon Prime, not knowing anything about the plot thankfully. I was super shocked watching it, especially when Charlie’s death happens. I have always had a strong aversion to anything dealing with decapitation, so I found this movie incredibly disturbing. Even though it bothered me, I can still appreciate how scary and unsettling this movie is.

Finally got to watch this last night and my theory is that Charlie hasn’t been Charlie since she was a kid. That Charlie was “expelled” like Peter was by Joan but when she was a baby and the grandma put the demon in her as a baby which is why she nursed her. And I do not think that the demon knew what was going on the entire time, I think he kinda thought he was Charlie which is why at the end Joan kind of had to explain to even him what was going on, like he just woke up from a coma.

Hereditary Dead and scary Never bury Red and larry Bed is hairy

The dad is a psychiatrist. He and the mom met when she was a patient of his, and once she was "cured", they started a relationship.

No movie has ever scared the shit out of me as Hereditary. The scariest things of the movie were all the people in the corners and in the shadows, and also the music when Charlie's body is on the statue. That shot scared me too much. Such a fantastic movie!

Ah I was super excited to listen to this while working but I’m gonna trust Chelsea and watch the movie spoiler free can’t wait to come back to this

you might not have noticed but the statue at the end held a staff with a hand at the end. Doing the same thing as peters hand when he had that spasm

This elderly couple beside me in the movie theater really enjoyed this movie, even the scary parts....it was very unsettling since they laughed at the decapitation part.

When I saw this movie I was alone with my mother in a small theater and it really rattled me we didn’t even leave each other alone to go to the bathroom because we were too scared. Definitely a great watch though!

I was gonna watch this before I saw it, but now I'm gonna wait till I see it then come back to this.

Upon further viewings have y’all noticed the cult naked just standing outside their house during the last shot of the exterior? I think the shot goes from daytime to dusk and then they’re just THERE. 👌🏼

King Paimon's sigil is around Anne's neck at the funeral in the beginning so I assumed she knew what her mother was into.

When Charlie got decapitated my friend just busted out laughing. He legit didn't stop for like 3 minutes and I was so embarrassed because everyone else was dead silent

So many great moments in this film...one of my favorites is after Ellen's Funeral, when Annie is going through her books and notices that ominous letter to Charlie mentioning her great "sacrifice", and out of the corner of her eye she see's Ellen's Spectre or apparation, turns on the lights, and nothing is there. The audience I was with gasped!!! So simple, yet so powerful.

i watched this alone in the theatre at one of the last screenings for the night...i had to keep checking my 6 for any ghost trying to sneak up on me.

Fun Fact: Paimon or King Paimon is a "real" entity within the occult. The sigil that the cult uses in the movie is the actual goetic sigil for King Paimon. As somebody who is interested in the occult belief systems and somewhat a practitioner, I always appreciate when movies use actual symbols, rather than just making up weird looking squiggles. Recognised the sigil immediately at the beginning on the necklace, so it's a little easter egg if you've happened to look into this stuff (or on rewatches ofc).

I don't know why, but the movie had a real The Shining vibe for me. Meaning that as a compliment of course

saw thumbnail Pablo Schreiber and Ann Hathaway doing a movie review? cool! click! ....oh.

This is one movie, I feel like director's commentary would knock it out of the park.

I went and bought the movie once the “spoiler free” section ended. Glad I did, just finished it, now I’m back ✌🏻

I really want to know what the deal was with the various writings on the wall of the house? Such as the Satony scribbled in Charlie's room

After watching I thought that the first seance at Joan's was not her grandson but rather Paimon. Paimon was the unseen force using the chalkboard to help convince Annie that the seance is real, and then Joan gives her the steps for a ritual to allow Paimon to enter their house. This is why peter talks about feeling like the air had flexed at the beginning of the seance when his dad couldn't feel it, as he was the target host for Paimon. Essentially Joan tricked Annie into letting Paimon into their family and passed it off as the instructions to reconnect to charlie.

I know I'm late to the party, but I just saw this movie. One thing I loved about the movie was when they bury Charlie, they bury her in a light blue casket. I remember finding that odd, but it was calling back to Annie talking about how much the grandmother wanted Charlie to be a boy. I thought that was such a sad detail to an already heartbreaking moment. Knowing the ending makes it even more depressing.

Having finally seen the film (with my dad on Father's Day, poor Steve) I did have one thought regarding the state of Ellen's body: I don't necessarily think it was that she was burned, just the kind of natural progression of decay. Assuming that Ellen had been dead for a few weeks, disinterred, decapitated, and stored in what I assume to be an un-air conditioned attic in Utah, I feel like the tissue would naturally get that grody and unrecognizable. OR: It could also be a reaction to Paimon leaving the body. When Annie talks to Joan about finding Charlie's body, she says that the clothes were the way she recognized her because the skin was black and the blood was like tar. This probably less than 12 hours after (an admittedly traumatic) death, at night temperatures we're told get below freezing. So Charlie's body wouldn't have as long to decay, but looked similar to her grandma's in death. What an incredibly gripping film. Like Chelsea I was struck by how so much of the film (minus the last ten minutes) mirrored very real scenarios of painful familial dynamics, trauma, and mental illness. Terrifying stuff.

SPOILER: I think Charlie’s potential behavioral affliction was “having a king of hell inside of her”

In mom's possession scene, when Peter woke up I literally didn't notice Annie in the corner at the first reveal, I just saw her at the next frame floating around, that's why I had to rewind it for a second to understand where did that come from and boy I never felt shivers down in my spine like that before when I saw her doing spiderman shit and I can't believe I just missed it. 💯💯

Watched this again on an edible recently and I noticed that Paimon's theme is playing as a lullaby while Annie is consoling Charlie in bed about grandma. And she just looks like a total demon. So creepy

People sitting down in the theaters: okay, movie. Scare me! Hereditary: …okay. *100 psychological damage*

You didn’t note it, but one thing I noticed is that the lady across the street waving at Charlie was in fact a cult member, not her grandma. And at the end the same cult lady is standing among the 3 naked cult members doing the same wave. Just wanted to point that out.

*sort of spoiler* when you guys talked about the thing in Annie’s teeth when she was with Joan. It wasn’t a random seed. When we see their refrigerator, we see a photo with the grandma and she’s feeding Charlie with a bottle and at the bottom of the bottle there a lot of seed or leaves or something. It has been confirmed by Ari Aster that those are the same thing that was in Annie’s drink given by Joan. What happened to Charlie, she was inhabited by Paimon. What happened later to Annie, she was also taken over by Paimon.

I've noticed that with this movie, nobody noticed the position that Peter was in when he got contorted in the classroom and then smashed his nose on the desk. The position he's in, is the same position Charlie was in when her head was cut off in the car, subtly hinting that it's Charlie's spirit along with Paimon moving into Peter's body and tormenting him

Love this review. Saw this movie last night and I’m obsessed. Can’t wait to see it a second time tonight. Also, I noticed that the bird-head figurine that Charlie makes is foreshadowing Peter’s appearance at the end; the crown on his head, and the cast on his nose resembling the beak.

Yeah, Joanie essentially has a shrine at her place with a photo of Peter placed within a triangle and a series of Charlie's weird hand crafted sculpture doohickies.

I hope you have an amazing vacation!! You don't have to be sorry guys! You really deserve that vacation for all the hard work you guys have been doing!!!

also i'm SO HAPPY that you guys noticed the mystery breath/smoke outside of Peter's window, I noticed it the first/only time I saw the movie and it seems like no one else did!!!

id like to add, that in the ancient grimoire anonymously titled "Lemegeton Clavicula Salomonis" (also called the lesser key of solomon), in the section of Ars Goetia, it talks about who paimon is and his powers. at the very last scene of the movie when peter (who we now know is possesed by paimon) is told "You are Paimon, one of the eight kings of hell. We have looked to the northwest and called you in." this is referring to the Goetia, because paimon ruled over the west. when joan says "give us your knowledge of all secret things", this is referring to paimons powers, because in the Ars Goetia AND Johann Weyer's 'Pseudomonarchia Daemonum' (a summoning guide to at least 69 demons, similar to the Goetia), it is said that Paimon has the knowledge of dark arts and "secret things". Paimon's powers also include (but aren't limited to): granting familiars, controlling fish, granting good fortune and power to people, knowing of people and the world, and truthfully answering all questions. when joan speaks again, she says, "Bring us honor, wealth, and good familiars. Bind all men to our will, as we have bound ourselves for now and ever to yours." theres a ton of articles about it, and it was really interesting to read about! this movie is one of my favorites, and i spent over three hours hyperanalyzing it because it was so cool to learn :)