Hermann Göring (played by the great Brian Cox) puts down a Jew in the greatest scene in the TV-mini series "Nuremberg" I don't claim to own anything, this is fair use and is only up for educational purposes.
Had this been a movie he might have been nominated for an Oscar. However, since this was a TV miniseries Brian Cox did win an emmy for his performance.
No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
Brian Cox absolutely nailed his performance as Goring - this is one of my favorite scenes in the whole film. He brings up several truths about what the Americans did as well.
There is no comparison between the system and scale of Nazi crimes , bent on exterminating whole peoples and some sporadic crimes of Americans. The atom bomb is a complex issue; its a hideous weapon but Japan attacked America first and steadfastly refused to surrender. America did not set out to commit a genocide or enslavement of Japanese people either.
@@doubletrouble9503 It is in truth amusing to see the debate, the united states without any rational defence willingly annihilated two civilian cities in that intentionally maximised civilian casualties and destruction. With regards to the marks about the concept of "degree" in my opinion he is correct in an extreme sense, under national socialism the germans did commit atrocities that should never have graced the earth that is true, but in retrospect he raised fair and valid points about the United States. And just in terms of historical precedence the United States can never without inciting the highest degree of hypocrisy pull the "he attacked me first" argument it did after all invade Iraq based upon a lie that led to suffering for millions.
@jonomurphy1117 let's keep the discussion to rights and wrongs of the United States THEN , which was a totally different govt fighting to stop fascism.
@@doubletrouble9503 I would argue that firstly they weren't exactly a totally different government and that to only compare selected slices of history is Naïve in the extreme.
They actually manage to get Göring to make a good point, and paint a more morally grey picture of Allied countries and their politics. Great scene that actually encourages the viewer to think, a shame movies like this are very rare these days.
In war there’s never black and white, only varying shades of gray. Certainly the Soviets and Germans were darker than the Americans, but not by much. In fact the nazis explicitly credit the “American negro laws” as their inspiration for antisemitic laws.
It's a horrible point that Goring is making to try to rationalize his actions before he spends eternity getting sodomized by Lucifer. The writer leaves out the whole extermination of an entire group of people as a war objective. Fucking wehrbrah. As bad as the United States has been on race relations, it can at least have the opportunity to do better in the future. Germany never wanted that chance.
He didn’t make a good point. If anything this scene highlights false equivalency (comparing the policy of aggressively annihilating Jews to segregation policy) and delusion (Jews were not responsible for the failures in Germany, an insane monarch and bad politicians following him who were mainly non-Jews were responsible). The officer can also admit that those laws in America were morally wrong. Göring went to his grave with no regrets and still pointing the false equivalency finger.
@@pretzelstick320 the US actually did worse than anyone else in the early days of the colonies. But the first rank would go the Spanish, followed by the Ottoman Turks. The inquisition in Spain and the genocide in South America. And how can one forget the mass killing , torture and rape of Greeks, Christians and Armenians by the Ottomans. The Belgians come very close for their crimes in Congo.
blaumax918 sure, the romans had millions of slaves and the Portuguese ran the Atlantic slave trade... We’re talking about the 20th century, not all time.
No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
Brian Cox played Winston Churchill in the 2017 film ‘’Churchill’ and to see him playing Goring here is rather strange but very impressive from an acting perspective.
@@kenlandon6130 Not realy, after knowing that americans only came to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, just for their experimantations, rather than help. Not to mention, to buy Informations and give members from the infamious unit 731, immunity. So their hands are not as clean, as they like to pretend.
Actually, given the saturation bombings of Dresden, Cologne and Hamburg, it seems quite likely that the Americans would have used the bomb on Germany had they been at war with them when they had it. There were more casualties of bombing campaigns carried out with conventional munitions than there were in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
@@godsmacks1000 the balfour declaration literally promises the creation of ISRAEL, not 'a homeland for the jews inside palestine' stop lying , i know its hard for you. its all part of their Kalergi Plan and the greater israel project
@@Afflictamine The Kalergi Plan is a conspiracy theory perpetuated by Jew-haters who think that Jews are out to destroy the white race. I know there have been some Jews with radical liberal views who feel that way, but the vast majority of Jews value European culture. I certainly don't believe in Jewish supremacy or think that my Jewish blood makes me better than anyone else, especially since I'm only 1/16th Ashkenazi Jewish.
@@pierren___All the prisoners at the Nuremberg trials underwent an IQ test. Göring had an IQ of 138 and was only topped by Hjalmar Schacht with 141. This is considered _"intellectually gifted" (above 130)._ _"All who were tested demonstrated above average IQ’s. A number of them had very high scores. The average of all 21 Nazi leaders was 128, nearly two standard deviations smarter than the average person (Average IQ=100)."_ Source: History Of Yesterday
@@aussieman4791 I love it when historical films and shows make people think for once. Helps more and more realize that shit isnt black and white, but rather a lot of muddled grey.
@@shoshanagleit6449 it is possible to agree with something an evil person says. They are human just like you are after all. Truth is truth no matter where you stand. It’s the separation of opinion.
@@EdgingMyGooch Goring was actually spot on when he pointed out the racism and hypocrisy in the Americans' own treatment of its minority citizens and that it wasn't all that different from antisemitism in Germany. For example, blacks have been subject to inhumane treatment and inequality for a century after slavery was abolished.
0:55 he’s right. The military wasn’t desegregated until 1948, after the war. “Separate but equal” Jim Crow laws were also still legal. He’s right on basically every point he makes here.
He was wrong about us not interning Germans and Italians; We did just that, and even led to the most hilarious riot in history when some Italians in a camp rebelled over not being provided with enough olive oil.
@@BlackIce3190 Some were interred, but nowhere near to the same level of wide-spread state sanctioned enslavement that the Japanese endured. Those interned of German or Italian dessent were primarily those who may have had social or political ties back to the homeland. For the Japanese it was *everyone*.
I love scenes like this in films and series where you have a very good actor playing a monster, who has a little speech where he rips away your moral footing and gets you to question the "good guys". Reminds me of Gul Darheel in Deep Space Nine.
Are you stupid??? No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
John Smith yes, but it’s our history. We know how to cover these things up. Just look at the deplorable confederate statues for one. Thank you so much for your replies. I appreciate it.
mattbart08 I thought the same. Goring was a slow thinker and was definately not an intellectual. For what it's worth he was also locked up in a Stockholm mental institution in between the wars. The 'clarity' of his arguments seem out of character from the real Goring.
+peps And you dont know much of his history life. At that time, people adicted went to hospitais or mental institutions to get rid of adiction. Goering was adicted to morphine because of his injures during the failed atempt to reach power in Munich in 1923.
In the German version of the movie Göring has the same voice actor as German Mr. Krabs. Imagine Mr.Krabs talking about anti-semitism and the economy of the fatherland.
Marty G Not really. His argument is based on bullshit. The US considered using nuclear weapons on Germany to pressure their surrender, but Roosevelt, and Truman when the former died, were hesitant, on the grounds that Germany was making strides in military research. Should the weapons not detonate and be recovered, they would have given them the technology. Japan did not have such research capability. But it turned out it didn't matter, because Germany surrendered several months before the bombs would be detonated. On the matter of Japanese internment, while it was on a much smaller scale, German and Italian Americans were also interned. This of course doesn't excuse it, but provides context. However, Japanese Americans weren't systematically being exterminated either. Finally, the Jewish diaspora had no animosity towards Germany. In fact, they were fiercely patriotic. During WWI, the German government investigated Jewish communities based on a rumor that enlistment rates among Jews was lower than among Christians. When it was found that the opposite was true, this was buried.
@Werm 01 Also in fact that Nazis are petty hypocrites and cowards, instead of facing the consequences, they commit suicide, the assholes are indeed the lowest of the low.
Right! Many false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
history have always find a way to repeat it self that the nature of life the reality of being is the struggle there will always be hard times and hard times create hard men and hard men create good times while good times create weak men and weak men create hard times
To a far less extent. The Americans population of German and Italian descent was in the 10’s of millions so it would be near impossible. Many of the troops fighting for the US were also of German and Italian descent in all theaters of combat. General Eisenhower was of German descent. The Japanese who were allowed to fight for the US were out in Europe out of fear they’d rejoin the Japanese army in the pacific.
Roy Napalm I think the stated reason was that friendly fire would be a concern due to whites shooting their Japanese-American allies. Sure many western countries deported or interned Italian and german immigrants. The difference in the us is that they were interning natural born citizens, and others who’d pose no threat, simply because of race. The Japanese Americans has their property stolen and lost their jobs.
@@pretzelstick320 O, they're still deporting Germans. I think it was just a few years ago they revoked another old German's U.S. citizenship deported him.
No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
As much as i dislike this man Göring's suicide was not an act of cowardice. It was his way of saying "Fuck you!" to his enemies by not giving them a chance to carry out their sentence. The Nuremberg trials were not much more than a show trial anyway.
Folarin, as much as many people like to claim it, Himmler was not insane, from his point of view his actions made perfect sense. In every day usage insanity means an instability of behavior, and Himmler did not show that.
No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
Brian Cox deserved Academy Award for his portrayal of Goering in this movie. Just like Bruno Ganz did for playing Hitler in Der Ungergang. They played their roles to perfection. But, of course, some might see them winning the Award as celebrating Nazism, which is stupid.
Here's a story for you. Once there was a Russian who had traveled from Russia to arrive in England. And one thing he found that was remarkable in England, was that they didn't resent and hate Jews the way they did back in Russia, and in some other countries he had traveled through. So he asked an Englishman why this was. The Jews, after all, secretly controlled everything and everyone for their own benefit. Why didn't the English realise this and hate them like everyone else? "Well", replied the Englishman, "we don't think that we are stupider than the Jews. And we're not."
Odin Krieg Not really. His argument is based on bullshit. The US considered using nuclear weapons on Germany to pressure their surrender, but Roosevelt, and Truman when the former died, were hesitant, on the grounds that Germany was making strides in military research. Should the weapons not detonate and be recovered, they would have given them the technology. Japan did not have such research capability. But it turned out it didn't matter, because Germany surrendered several months before the bombs would be detonated. On the matter of Japanese internment, while it was on a much smaller scale, German and Italian Americans were also interned. This of course doesn't excuse it, but provides context. However, Japanese Americans weren't systematically being exterminated either. Finally, the Jewish diaspora had no animosity towards Germany. In fact, they were fiercely patriotic. During WWI, the German government investigated Jewish communities based on a rumor that enlistment rates among Jews was lower than among Christians. When it was found that the opposite was true, this was buried.
His point was to counter the moral accusation of the US officer and to make clear that germans weren't the only ones who had double standards in regards of values of life as well as that he regarded what he did as a necessity to defend his nation against jewish influence just as the officer defended the warcrime of Hiroshima as justified because his nation was attacked by the Japanese. It's hard to get into that kind of thinking nowadays but back then a lot of people thought this way just as a lot of people thought that black people weren't as civilized as white people and therefore didn't deserved to be on the same level or even place as white people.
Göring really rolled with the punches... And probably had already planned his suicide by this point, too bad he followed a meth addict nutjob for 6 years and downed his share of the koolaid
No the crappiest part that you don't know the facts No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
Are U stuopid No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
It illustrates that people in the US should not consider themselves separate in nature to what led the Nazi's to genocide, they are separate by degree. A reminder to all people to be vigilant against the worst parts of their natures.
Lmao they can't even make the "bad guys" sound evil when they try unless they go full-on sunday afternoon cartoon villain with them. Almost like they made a bunch of good points
He could have said, true it is human nature to abuse and or kill the weak or the loser. Today you are the loser and I am the winner. Guess what's happening to you very soon.
No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
Ehh... not so fast, Fritz. The Western Allies didn't differentiate much between Japanese children and German children when it came to bombing, and the atomic bomb was scheduled for Germany, but it wasn't ready in time due to the German surrender occuring before the anticipated time.
Here is a dirty fact. The Anti-sematic laws in Germany at the time were based of the US's own Jim Crow Laws. So when he says "isn't it just a matter of degree". He is historically and factually correct. Of course this movie has the benefit of hindsight 50 years later so this line can be written and the point made.
ONly to the uneducated. No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
LOLOLOL Finish your GED No he made some false and ignorant points. Dresden Germany and other cities were burned as bad as any Japanese ones. Goring does not know his history. Nice try. And Over 11,000 German families were also put in concentration camps. Japan also refused to surrender, so that is why the bombs were dropped. Germany did surrender easily enough. A ton of holes in this clip.
let me tell him about the Rape of Nanking. Even German Nazis there are horrified of the way the Japanese did with the Chinese. They even asked Hitler for help.
