HERSCHEL Infrared Heating - The Smart Route to Net Zero Heating

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Robert speaks to Herschel Infrared CEO, Paul Morey, plus Domestic Sales Manager, Jane Lanceley, who share how their infrared heating solutions offer an attractive, affordable and readily available heating solution for those looking to decarbonise their heating.
Herschel Infrared provides a practical alternative to heat pumps - using radiant technology to optimise comfort levels and deliver an efficient heating solution. We discuss the results of their recent independent testing in a university chamber analysing the efficiency and comfort levels of Herschel Infrared alongside a heat pump and electric convector heater. The total costs of ownership of heating including servicing, purchase and installations costs are also considered to showcase how Herschel Infrared heating offers a very compelling electric heating solution.
For more information, visit: www.herschel-infrared.co.uk
More details on Herschel’s recent independent testing can be seen here.
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@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

I totally agree with what they say here. I have a four bedroom detached house with an oil boiler. 18 months ago my boiler was coming to the end of its life. I wanted a backup system, so I put far infrared panels in every room in the house. At the same time I also purchased a heat pump. I still haven't connected the heat pump yet as the panels work amazingly well. You can heat each room as you require rather than the full house and you can set each room at the temperature you require to prevent condensation etc. The heat has got to be experienced to be understood. It is just like being in sunshine. Some mornings when we wake and go into the kitchen the panels may actually have switched off but you can tell that they have been on earlier because you feel the heat radiating off all the units, worktops etc. The kitchen is 14 feet by 24 feet and with three panels in there the room is warm within minutes, even when there is frost outside. When we purchased the panels there were not so many on the market and we had to get panels then separate thermostats and controllers for each. It is worth paying a little more to get the combined system as it is less hassle and cheaper in the long run. One word of warning. The heat is like sunshine on a summers day so once you are in a room with the panels on you find yourself falling asleep and not doing anything else as it is so relaxing - hence the reason the heat pump is still not connnected yet! At least that's what I tell my wife.!

@jamiefox54 2 года назад

Would also appreciate the feedback on this.

@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

Difficult question as it depends how you will use them. If you plan to continue to heat every room in your house I am guessing it will be more expensive than gas or oil. If you set the panels to mainly heat the rooms you are using and just keep the chill off the rooms that you don't use then it would be probably a little cheaper than gas or oil. My mother lives alone in a 3 bed house, has panels and heats only the rooms she is using. She reckons her gas bill is now 40% less and her electric bill has only increased a little. In our house the situation is more complicated as we have solar panels and batteries, so can charge up cheaply at night and then use this in the day. Also when it is sunny our heating is either cheap or free. The key really is the efficient management and timing of use. Some panels can have sensors so they come on when the temperature drops below a certain level or if you walk into the room. This would be the cheapest way of managing cost.

@stephenbrickwood1602 2 года назад

Heat pump uses electricity at night when running and is drawing Heat from cold outside air. Just a comment. We think of the efficiency of the heat pump but it needs to transport the heated fluid to where it is needed. Sometimes something is 25% of the costs per unit and we use 5 units!!! The financing costs are invisible too many. The maintenance costs are in the future.

@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

@@stephenbrickwood1602 To maintain the temperature they most likely need to be run all the time at least when it is cold as, running at a lower temperature than oil or gas they only heat up a house slowly.

@Peter-hm4oz 2 года назад

@@grahamstevenson1740 Zoned hydronic heating is great and works really well with Gas central heating - we've reduced our gas usage by 30% using Tado TRVs to zone each room. My understand is it doesn't suit heat pumps particularly, in part due to the lower circulating temperature though I'm no expert.

@AntonyoKnight 4 месяца назад

I've just installed recently in a kitchen for an elderly person and he was so happy about it. He sits standstill for a long period of time and enjoys this radiant heat. His chair and surroundings are warm and no cold discomfort. I think this is the future. It's extremely cost effective to install, to run, to control and replace. I recommend the ceiling mount version to spread the heat around the room effectively.

@ShortVersion1 2 года назад

So we've got air-sourced heat pumps coupled with solar and batteries in a heating climate. I've been considering switching space heaters in the office to IR panels, just so we can keep the air temp in the rest of the house lower. It seems counter-intuitive, but heating less space with less efficient means, can save energy. Coincidentally, we've had an IR sauna for a few years, and it gets a chamber to 155 F on only about 1.5kw. Thanks for the video guys!

@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

To be truthful they are not that less efficient. They heat the room not the air and these give off the heat for a period of time. Also you need them on a thermostat or the room gets too warm, do you are not heating constantly. Hiding your comment about a sauna as my wife keeps suggesting one! Also in chilly sunny mornings your electric is free with solar.

@anydaynow01 2 года назад

It is, we have even gotten to point where we use heated blankets in the winter so we can lower the overall temperature of the house and still be comfortable on the couch and bed. I would like one of these panels in the bathroom and have it kick on a bit before I wake up and before my evening shower.

@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

They are lovely when you get out of the shower, like standing in sunshine.

@mosfet500 2 года назад

That's the thing about IR and tankless water heaters. When I compare my tankless with a HP system I come out ahead. It sounds wrong but it's not. First, I can time my hot water and showers during the day when my PV is producing enough to cover the tankless. With a HP you can't do that, they recover over three hours mostly at night when the sun is down. Then there's the Standby heat losses and line losses running hotter water to fixtures. Then the thing no one talks about - bacteria. It grows even in 120F tanks, that's why institutions are mandated to have 140F water with even more standby and line losses. I set my tankless to 105F, the temp I'm comfortable with then I turn my water to the hot side completely so there's no cold mixing losses. I'll bet we use less than most HP homes and because there's no water sitting in a tank there's no bacteria growing, every time I turn on the hot water it evacuates all the water in the tubes. It's half the price of a HP too without the complexity.

@robertp.wainman4094 11 месяцев назад

I don't know much about infrared heating or heat pumps......but I do know that a form of heating which doesn't require ugly pumps, pipes, boilers, controls and associated gubbins, not to mention ongoing servicing - seems very attractive!

@petersachs764 2 года назад

Technologies like this show how inviting a HVAC contractor over to discuss heating needs will only involve solutions that they sell. Rarely is insulation suggested or other Technologies that don't make them $$$.

@tangalooma7257 2 года назад

Clearly didn’t watch or listen. Ho hum. There’s always one.

@koitorob 2 года назад

I don't recall a single program i've watched regarding heat pumps that hasn't stressed the importance in fully insulating your home BEFORE even contemplating looking at having a heat pump installed.

@venom5809 2 года назад

I just got an infrared sauna and I have to say it warms you up nicely.

@jamesjulian 2 года назад

They are not Banning gas boilers, only Newbuilds just for Context, great video as always

@appledrivingschool 6 месяцев назад

We've got whole house infra red heating and it's fantastic, so much better than our old gas system. It's running off a mix of solar/batteries/grid and it's costing about the same as the gas used to.

@AntonyoKnight 4 месяца назад

That's my future dream home heating solution 👍

@benpaynter 2 года назад

Interesting video and product. Wasn't massively impressed with their extremely biased worst case scenario of a heat pump. I know of multiple installations which have been very effective in terms of heating and payback. Always makes me slightly suspicious when people feel it necessary to try and rubbish other technologies.

@DrNickBailey 2 года назад

Indeed. My ASHP has achieved COP of 3 this winter. Sounds like the test installation was bad.

@stephenbrickwood1602 2 года назад

Comparison is asked for by everyone. You need to know. If what they say is unbelievable to you at least you have the strongest argument to think about. They may be doing you a service.

@EdBonds 2 года назад

Same, just over 3 this winter.

@NetZeroHow 2 года назад

Agreed, however, I found the comments to be largely fair in that gas boiler will be heapest to run as well as heat pumps. The only better test will be to run dummy room through a simulated 12 month cycle inclusive of methods of heating hot water at typical usage rates as many people forget IR is only space heating

@stephenbrickwood1602 2 года назад

@@NetZeroHow excess solar electric energy can heat stored hot water. Financial can be a big hidden factor. Say for example a home build $/m2 , the mortgage payments will x2 or x3 the amount borrowed. Now the last $ earned is taxed at the marginal rate and so extra income required x2 plus the costs of earning income. All of this adds up. Say x4 to x6 initial install cost. Running costs have to be added on top and maintenance costs. People say a Tesla is so expensive you will never save enough for it to make sense. The Rolls Royce car solution is never much of a personal transport economically. The panels lower long term financial component maybe critical. You could buy the panels as you need them. So a big upfront cost and a longer work life? We need the numbers to make sense With EV cars plugged in to the grid and free solar energy heat pumps may not be needed.

@lukerobson3043 2 года назад

I don’t think they should claim that heat pumps can not be cost effective or paid by the savings. Many studies have shown that they can and do

@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 2 года назад

We have Infrared heating on the celling of our living room. It is a rented apartment so we had not the option of a heat pump. Really nice. Biggest advantage: You can use the existing cabling for the lights. I split the lines to use the electricity both for heating and lights (LED). I split the line and use smart switches to turn lights and heating separately. They now do the base load of heating in our apartment.

@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 2 года назад

Some Infrared panel sales guys tell you that you can not have LEDs in your IR panel. The reason they say this is that there are patents on at least the layout that I bought. I have 4 LEDs on a 900.W panel.

@edmcdonagh978 2 года назад

Good to see more about IR heating; didn't feel like a balanced comparison though between technologies. The link to the "independent" research isn't a link in the show notes - the caveats and missing details screamed of bias. I might be wrong!

@benpaynter 2 года назад

I was thinking the same. Each technology will have an ideal use case and I guess they're just pushing their product but it still didn't seem a great comparison.

@mikekelly5869 2 года назад

You're not.

@evilutionltd 2 года назад

I have had a Herschel IR heater panel in my bathroom for a couple of years and it's exactly like the feeling of sunshine and the heat travels. The controller and software could be better but in general I'm impressed.

@arnehogkvist8189 2 года назад

IR ceilingmounted heating became popular in Sweden in 1970th. In the winter it got wery cold under the tables.

@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

If I may ask, why are you under the table? 😊

@davidspencer7254 2 года назад

When you sit at the table where are your legs Andrew?

@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

To be truthful I have a terrible habit of putting my legs in the table, so I wouldn't have noticed. Also my panels are walk mounted so most likely heat under the table also.

@davidspencer7254 2 года назад

@@andrewhartley3 leg slots in the table, there's fancy.

@connemarasolar 2 года назад

Great informative video and feel Hershel did outline the true facts of the comparison on the home heating test they did. At the end of the day, everybody feels and perceives many things differently and how each of us feel heat or colder temps in any environment including a house has to be based on many things. The outside temp before you step into the house, what your wearing, how active the house is, how many occupants, fabric of the building, orientation, heating sources stoves, open fires, oil/gas boilers, insulation etc. In order to feel comfortable we each need to tweek our current heating systems in each of the rooms we use based on how long and time of day we use them. Our hot water needs are the same. I have invested in Solar PV with battery storage three months ago here in the west of Ireland and still adjusting to how we use these renewable Kw's efficiently. So I will invest in one or more of these infrared heating radiators as the move away from oil and diesel for motoring has begun for us. The built in thermostat and timers are the way to go and let them work with how and when we use each room in our homes in tandem with whatever heating system each of us have. If lucky enough to be able to invest in solar pv, then each of our electricity costs will reduce. Takes a while to reach payback but that day will come. Let the tweeking begin!

@ThanosSustainable 2 года назад

Well, I didn't expect such a greenwashing effort from Robert... There's no way you can put heat-pumps and infrared heating in the same ballpark: Heat-pumps are at least 4 times as efficient. That's a numbers fact. But I guess a Man has to do, what a Man has to do... A few more comments on the video: 1. Infrared heating also requires extra infrastructure in a home, since the electrical circuits are not suit for the constant power requirements of an infrared heating solution. It's not as simple as installing the panels, you also need to route new wires to them, which usually means wall and floor/ceiling digging. 2. The low-efficiency (1.8x) heat-pump in their test was obviously a high-temperature heat-pump; they indeed have lower efficiency. 3. Best heat-pump heating application is through floor heating. You'll use a low-temp heat-pump system for a floor heating installation. 4. Heat-pumps are not as expensive as stated in this video. 5. IR heating has to run in real-time; you can't "store" heat, as in a heat-pump installation. That said, you won't be able to utilize smart grids' variable rates, which is already available in the UK and is coming worldwide, just as the energy economy moves over to 100% renewables.

@oplkfdhgk 2 года назад

There is high temperature heat pumps?😮 That's kinda cool maybe i can make a sauna with it? 🤔

@ThanosSustainable 2 года назад

@@oplkfdhgk high temperature heat pumps can be used as a direct retro-fit for petrol or gas boiler radiator systems. They actually incorporate two (or more) heat pumps in series, hence the lower efficiency.

@oplkfdhgk 2 года назад

@@ThanosSustainable makes sense.🙂

@2k10clarky 2 года назад

Bad take, heat pumps have a place for sure but the UK housing stock is very drafty and badly insulated on average. These drafts actually help with damp issues so when people get cavity wall insulation they often get mould issues. Hopefully heat pump technology will continue to improve to the point where it makes sense for the UK housing stock until then its going to be another mis-selling scandal.

@ThanosSustainable 2 года назад

@@2k10clarky what do improvements in heat-pump technology has to do with poor insulation of UK housing stock? Afaik, when you start thinking about upgrading to a heat-pump system, you've already taken care of the insulation and multi-glazed windows.

@davidsnaith 2 года назад

This sound too good to be true, but it is true. I installed 2 panels last autumn and used no gas for heating last winter. The house was much more comfortable has the heat remains most in the rooms with the panels. The control over how central heating works is so much better. The only downside for most people is that you need a well insulated home first but that's the same with any heating system. You not get the benefits with infrared if there are drafts as the air never gets warms. In summary, if you insulate and draft proof, they work very well.

@johnmoss7227 2 года назад

But do not close off your ventilation!

@piconano 2 года назад

I disagree. IR is light and if you step outside the light, you won't get any warmth. A heat pump is an air conditioner with efficiencies no one can touch. We are talking about 300% to 500% efficiency. It can not only heat, but cool air as well. IR panels are great to get instant heat, and being solid-state, they can last the longest.

@UhOhUmm 2 года назад

Exactly, infrared heating is basically just electric heating. Near 100% efficient, while heat pumps multiply your power input, because they do not generate it, they move it. This video has a garbage clickbait title. Unless they suggest we keep our houses at 15c and only heat where we are sitting, which sounds pretty miserable.

@rcpmac 2 года назад

300% max under ideal temperature conditions

@keim3548 2 года назад

You cannot step outside the light. All matter emits heat. In the system they are heating the mass rather than heating the air directly

@AntonyoKnight 4 месяца назад

Heat Pump installation cost a fortune without the Gov. Grant. And need maintenance.

@PeterGysegem 2 года назад

I lived for several years in Oregon, USA in a place with electric radiant ceiling heat and it was the most uncomfortable heat I've ever experienced. Because the warmth was above and because warm air rises, our heads were too warn while our feet and legs were cold. I would imagine that wall mounting would work much better, especially where they could be mounted low on the wall. When I was building a home in Oregon, I had tubing running throughout the floor where warm water would heat from the bottom which I read was the most comfortable and cost-effective, at least at the time. Alas, divorce ended the project so I never got to experience it.

@kiohaha 2 года назад

That’s what I’m thinking. Bald head surely his head is burning if they were mounted on ceiling 😂

@keim3548 2 года назад

Good question. This form of radiant heat is longer wave and less intense so you won’t notice your head being warmer.

@constantinosschinas4503 2 года назад

Awful experience indeed. You can also feel the radiation and it is very unpleasant, like pierces. And if you are out of the beam, you are frozen. Wall mounting is not good either.

@AdamCiernicki 2 года назад

This is not your old school ir heater mate, I think it's similar to RedSnake from Poland which uses Korean graphite foils... Planning to do one room to test , if ok then entire House

@MarkSpohr Год назад

I have heat pump hydronic floor heating in my house. Absolutely the most comfortable heating I've ever had. Also much more (4x) efficient than electric infrared or resistance heating.

@jessicafeinleib8363 11 месяцев назад

Our house is form 1835. We have insulated our house, installed solar panels (2018), have EV and are decarbonizing our house (induction cook top 2021, air source heat pump clothes dryer 2023). Last items to go are our gas boiler and on demand gas water heater. We placed a panel in our downstairs bathroom (2022) and love it. My elderly parents love the bathroom now that it is cozy for them when they stay. Of note we are in the CT, USA. We had to work a bit to get the correct system for our US electric.

@stevezodiac491 Год назад

As far as I am concerned, you can't get anything more visually appealing and warming than a wood burning stove. I love mine and would recommend one to anybody. They are great ! If you have a source of free wood like me, it is a no brainer, free heat, lovely.

@pjlehtim 2 года назад

I love these informative series. I jut wish they would not be so fully UK-centric but I completely understand why they are.

@benjamin_newton 2 года назад

I have these panels in my one bedroom flat. They're excellent, I've ceiling mounted them, which saves space too.

@phillee2583 5 месяцев назад

The air temperature in our living room is set around 17 degrees (modern condensing boiler + radiators) but because of our carefully placed IR panel (not from Herschell) it feels a lot warmer. One of the major benefits is the speed at which they start operating effectively. We only switch the panel on when we're actually in the room Our gas usage has reduced by 30%

@jarthurs 2 года назад

We moved into our mid-terrace 1950's house 20 years ago. It never had central heating fitted and when we moved it we were bookended by two little old ladies who kept us warm with their heating! We've survived for 20 years on a gas fire in the living room and a balanced flue gas heater on the upstairs landing and on those rare Winters when it gets *really* cold we've had a couple of small fan heaters. Now looking at weaning ourselves off of gas as our tariff ended and it's gone up 249% as well as the fact we get cheap overnight electricity. Was definitely interested in IR panels, especially ceiling mounted. Our house is on three stories and regular heating options tend to end up heating the very well insulated loft rooms to the point where they open the windows because it's too hot. IR looks like a good localised option, and it also suits my fresh air loving Wife by not heating the air directly.

@radleyg9486 2 года назад

Let’s have some discussion on how houses built in the 1860s or there abouts can be insulated safely and cost effectively.

@coreys2686 2 года назад

I think the "Home" series Fully Charged did covered a bit of that.

@tomduke1297 2 года назад

i switched to electric heating 5 years ago(infrared-panel and floor) and am realy happy and comfortable with it. i live in a small flat and the money i saved without the yearly gasboiler-inspections pretty much made up the difference in yearly running-cost. im not making back the 2500€ investment for the change, but im completely co2 free baby! ;) (i dont have a car, i ride my bike everywhere in my city)

@edc1569 2 года назад

You must be Norway to have truly co2 free electricity.

@tomduke1297 2 года назад

@@edc1569 it doesnt matter what your national grid mix is, it matters where your money goes. i only by hydro-power into the grid. i can not control what other people buy.

@paulstubbs7678 2 года назад

I find IR heating only good if you can 'waste time' propped up in front of a radiator - however if you are moving about, doing things, far less useful, as you have to periodically stop to get a 'heat recharge' from a radiator. They tend to be very poor at heating a building, so as soon as you move on, you soon feel the real cold of the environments air.

@Snerdles 2 года назад

These seem like a good idea for anywhere that you sit in front of the heater for long periods (home office, living room, bedroom) as a targeted heat solution. Heatpumps seem far more efficient for general space heating and also provide cooling, so a combination of the two would be ideal.

@andybrice2711 Год назад

This is what I've been thinking. Perhaps the optimal solution is to heat buildings to around 18ºc. And then make more use of localised heaters, and heated furniture. This might actually be more comfortable as well as more efficient.

@Rick54K 2 года назад

It’s just direct electric heating. At 30p/kWh it’s a very expensive form of heating. Heat pumps are at least 3 times more efficient. These might have a use for rooms not linked to central heating but not for an alternative to gas central heating.

@babsisleigh-ives8567 2 года назад

I have ha infra red panels for 7 years, love them

@grahamcastle8189 2 года назад

Good balance in report although with rocketing electricity prices very remiss ot to cover ru ning costs. Cheap to install and maintain that's why they are fast oured by landlords but very expensive to run as your using peak electricity tariff.

@christopherblomeley6925 Год назад

Agree with all you've said, behaviour change is the issue this video helps people understand, I do recommend IR when practical. Great video thanks for setting it up...

@NetZeroHow 2 года назад

Well well well... Nice to see an attempt at a direct comparison between heat pumps and IR. We have had Jigsaw IR installed for the last 12 months and can attest to the comfort and space saving. It is true that IR costs more to operate, however, the more home insulation the less energy you use therefore heating efficiency means far less. Quite simply if you need to use a lot of electricity to heat your home then you should invest in the most efficient system you can afford to keep operational costs low. Imagine a passive solar passivhaus with practially no heating requirements, what need is there for a 300% efficient system over 100%? IR wins hands down in many cases due to initial capital outlay and minimal disruption. IR also does particularly well in vaulted rooms as convection heating raises hot air above the occupied living spaces. Also worthy of note is that with IR you will need a system to also heat hot water e.g. a hot water cylinder (Mixergy recommended). Alternatively, and counter intuitively, there are cylinders with in built heat pumps on the market which do a good job and with the added benefit of cooling the room they are in to create cold stores for food/drinks. The world of eco home renovation is confusing but an understanding of building science will help you make the right decision for your home. My suggestion is that you take the time to learn about your home and the options available else you have to go on trust, in which case... chose a reputable contractor. Good luck my friends.

@mikekelly5869 2 года назад

Everyone seems to be missing the obvious: If you ask a good engineer, a real one, chartered variety, you will get good impartial advice on heating systems. The same is true of architects with the right kind of experience, except they will give advice on insulation, mass, windows and the like. It's not very expensive to do this and it can save years of procrasination and researching down rabbit holes. It can also save very expensive cockups. Installers, suppliers and contractors are usually the wrong people to ask because they tend to go for the most profitable option. Even users/owners often tell porkies about their own systems to make their own choices look better or spare their own blushes. It's quite easy to build housing without any conventional heating system anywhere in the British isles except Northern Scotland, with the right advice.

@colinosborne3877 10 месяцев назад

Checked out the website, it all looks very slick. Like many companies, they make a marketing mistake. They tell you what they want to say not what the customer wants to hear. Our underfloor electric heating has gone kaput. The element has gone open circuit, we dont want to rip up all the floor tiles to replace it. So lets start. We found a lot of confusion in the control of the ceiling panels. Whats up there? Is the Alexa up there along with the WiFi control? Could you run the panel without a separate controller? What happens if you lose your WiFi (we were without Internet recently for three days, - no TV, no phones, no heat?). Is there an override to turn the heat on? But I like the thermostat/controller, its what we are used too. No dimensions given. How big is it? What size and depth of back-box is required? If I choose the battery version, how long can I expect the battery to last, is it rechargeable, does it use standard AAA batteries? These ceiling panels weigh quite a bit. Can one man put them up? What electrical connection is recommended, - a local fused isolator? - behind the panel? We shall probably buy these. They look good and expect the price over that of the competition to reflect the better quality.

@chrisnewman7281 Год назад

We have a 1200w panel mounted on the ceilings in each the bedrooms in our house and we have double glazed the windows, We have been fairly happy with the performance of them for the last several years The only proviso I would have is that they’re good for keeping the room warm so long as the outside temperature is not too low. Generally we will heat our room with reverse cycle first thing in the morning and once the outside temperature reaches 4°C then switch over to the Infrared panel heaters which are controlled by a thermostat so it will cycle on an off to keep the room at a constant 19°C, which is quite comfortable. The difference that we notice is that compare to reverse cycle. The heat is nice and even throughout the room. It’s quite different to a reverse cycle where the heat is always blowing from the direction of the heater whenever with the infrared, it’s very even throughout the whole room, irrespective of where you’re sitting.

@affiliatemarketingsoldier6885 Год назад

I particularly like the explanation of how infrared heaters work and the use of the phrase 'thermal mass'. Great video. Very informative. Thank you. 😃

@sang3Eta 2 года назад

1 K/Wh of heat = 1K/Wh of heat. No matter how fancy your heater is, you can never beat the laws of thermodynamics!

@Herschel-Infrared 2 года назад

Yes, that is correct but it's what you do with the 1kWh. Using it to heat a volume of air which rises to the ceiling (and heats the celling) is different to using that 1kW as direct transfer of that heat energy. This has a very different impact on perception of comfort. Air temperature is only one factor in our sense of comfort - the mean radiant temperature of the room itself has a major impact. As a result we can feel as comfortable with radiant heat at lower air temperatures.

@SW-tech Год назад

What a good idea. The panels are probably very reliable too with zero moving parts. I'll explore further. Thanks all.

@TheWinstn60 2 года назад

This sounds like a good solution for us as we can heat rooms as required and I don’t have a noisy fan unit in the garden

@djcsdy2 2 года назад

I'm amazed anyone has anything good to say about these things because I hate them. They're more efficient because they don't heat the air but that's also the problem with them. You can still feel the cold air around you so the result in cold weather is you feel too hot and too cold at the same time. It's very similar to being in bright sunshine in winter. Also the moment there is so much as a thin piece of fabric in between you and the heater, the obstacle absorbs all the heat and you get cold. My landlord was daft enough to install one of these in a bathroom, so the moment you stand behind the shower curtain you freeze. (It doesn't help that tiles reflect the infrared rather than absorb it so most of the heat goes out the window). I imagine if you used a heat pump set to 17ºC and then added one of these to top up to a more comfortable apparent 19-21ºC that would be ok but on their own infrared heaters are awful IME.

@gangleweed 2 года назад

You cannot beat under floor ducted warm air from gas heating .....EVER.

@djcsdy2 2 года назад

@@gangleweed you can beat it with ducted underfloor heating from a heat pump. I mean, it feels the same but it's a lot cheaper.

@gangleweed 2 года назад

@@djcsdy2 It depends on where the heat pump gets it's heat from......the best location would be up in the loft as warm air rises that you normally lose and in a loft it goes out through the tiles no matter how well you insulate it.

@ciaransherry6021 2 года назад

Just the body language alone of these two dudes going through their sales pitch, was enough to ring alarm bells for me.

@karlsjostedt8415 Год назад

Hershel are not the only ones making IR heating panels. They just seem to be way more costly than the many other brands...

@fieldmarshallbeef8839 2 года назад

This is brilliant. How much and when can I get them? The future has an abundance of electricity so may this system be rolled out as quickly as possible.

@NealeUpstone 7 месяцев назад

I've just caught up on this episode and the thing about the testing with ASHP in the chamber, is that the >100% efficiency figure depends on the temperature difference. There is a big difference between 4.7C outdoors to 20C indoors, and 4.7C outdoors and 25C indoors. The COP will differ significantly for a 20C difference to a 15C difference. It is too easy to bias that result!

@marthanssen279 2 года назад

We are living in a infrared heated well insulated new house for 2,5 years now. My electricitybill is about € 120,-a year due to 27 solarpanels on the roof. By the way this includes the electricty of the electric car. In the livingroom/kitchen we have infrared floorheating, works like a charm.

@LeedsJimbo82 2 года назад

Really like this idea. Hope it works well I’m looking forward to seeing some real world reviews with factual running costs.

@plinble 11 дней назад

A tracking beam would be nice, depends a lot on what temperature air you're comfortable with breathing. They teach radiative, convection, advection, and conduction are the different ways of heat loss. I did get a lizard lamp for sitting directly under, but for safety the beam gets wide fast, I feel.

@stuartmilne1819 Год назад

Great video. Great info about CoP figures. As a SAP assessor I have been telling clients about this kind of technology, and I will now share this video with them as it explains it so well. Love the ability to have white panels, mirrors and even pictures.

@gerhardk98 2 года назад

Infrared is fine as long as there is nothing between you and the source, i.e. your feet under the coffee table are cold. I think infrared is great in warehouses, auto garages and those types of places but in a living spaces the perceived heat varies so greatly that it isn’t really comfortable.

@Herschel-Infrared 2 года назад

I think that you are confusing using IR to directly heat people more intensely (as we do in warehouses and garages etc) and using far IR to gently heat an entire room. When we heat an enclosed room, all surfaces in the room (walls, floor, ceiling, furniture etc) will get to broadly the same temperature. That's because the heat will also conduct through / radiate from materials. We never have any issues raised about cold feet.

@sbomorse 8 месяцев назад

Instead of giving grants to home owners it's about time the government put the money into updating social housing considering how many social homes there are in the UK. Fuel poverty is more apparent in social housing than privately owned homes.

@eclecticcyclist 2 месяца назад

An added advantage of infrared heating it that it can make up for some of the lack of red in the spectrum of modern led lighting and it has recenty be found that red light has a significant impact on lowering blood sugar which has significant effects on health.

@markcooper4380 10 месяцев назад

We have gas fired warm air central heating and it can't be beat in my opinion. I read some bad press on Heat Pumps as they have their issues. Infrared are too new and as Electricity is very expensive here, so will stick with W.A. ( now over 50 years old and still working fine )

@jamiefox54 2 года назад

There are some dubious claims in this video that went unchallenged - 1 that heat pumps are not suitable for 90% of homes and 2 that they have a 40-year payback, and 3 citing a COP for a heat pump of 1.7 that is much lower than the more common 2 - 4. The bottom line is that heat pumps are both cheaper overall (after years of use) and better for the environment (due to more efficient use of the same source energy). Herschel cannot compete with heat pumps using honest marketing, so result to cherry picking and exaggeration. Interesting that it feels like sunshine, but do you really want to pay an absolute fortune more to get that - I don´t think so. A possible use case for these panels might be an extremely well insulated modern house that doesn´t require much heating at all, hence might compete with heat pumps on overall cost. Is Fully Charged willing to comment on whether Herschel paid any money to support the production of this video?

@andrewhartley3 2 года назад

Unfortunately if you consider that many UK homes are terraced or flats and with traditional central heating systems with small radiators and water heating, then current heat pumps are not suitable, are expensive to install and have a long payback time. Infrared panels then become one of the few answers, particularly as the government want to phase out man solid fuel options also.

@ianharris5504 2 года назад

@@andrewhartley3 Exactly. We're in a small terraced house with a bisected rear garden - nowhere to put an ASHP, no land (or access) for a GSHP, plus we haven't had a HW cylinder for 20+ years so disruption would be major even if we could have one.

@jamiefox54 2 года назад

For flats it's more challenging for sure, but it has to be possible to hang them out of the windows, in fact I have seen this with heat pumps in the UK. Of course, that will be more cost and hassle but won't be impossible unless authorities forbid it. I am also skeptical that many people are in the situation that Ian Harris is in that they have no space. Your garden would have to be tiny to make this literally impossible and if it is you could still have it hanging on the wall if allowed to do so. I think people say "heat pump impossible in this property" they really mean difficult or expensive or inconvenient. For sure, it's often more time or money invested at the start, but well worth considering given the likely running costs being maybe of a third of infrared heaters. Electricity prices are going up. Infrared heating in every room is going to cost a fortune.

@ianharris5504 2 года назад

@@jamiefox54 An ASHP would need to be plumbed in - we're just refurbing the downstairs atm and thinking about underfloor heating. Not sure 'hanging one out of the window' would work for a plumbed system - seems a bit Heath Robinson. Plus, whose window do we block - my daughter's, or the bathroom? No room below those, so it would be against the window. Garden is too small for a flat GSHP, we'd need a deep one (with restricted access via the passageway for the drill). Believe me, I've been looking at this for years.

@andymccabe6712 2 года назад

@@jamiefox54 this is all good argument, but really just speculative. An expensive installation may mean impossible. Every house is different. You have to know actually how much the installation costs in each case and how much the relative running costs are. How old are you, how long will you stay in a property. Will you live long enough to see a payback, etc etc etc .... It's a complex situation and heat pumps are definitely NOT a solution for a lot of people......!

@drrlallen 2 года назад

I've got a dry system heat source air pump with vents in the ceiling. Because you can't heat individual rooms it's really inefficient and takes an age to get the house up to anywhere near the temperature. About 5 months ago I had seven Herschel panels fitted with 3 mains thermostats and one battery one for the en suite. Without a doubt the heat and efficiency were spot on, so much so we turned off the air pump and are now looking to get it dismantled and removed from the property. However, I have had nothing but grief from the Herschel system. Two panels that were damaged had to be replaced and so far I've had two of the three mains thermostats replaced. I thought I'd finally cracked it the other week after a visit from the Herschel tech guy, however now one of the panels won't switch off when on the schedule and one of the thermostats decided to go back to factory settings and was kicking out heat for two hours when it should have been off.

@kokofan50 2 года назад

Heat pumps are most efficient when you’re not trying to heat/cool a building to the desired temp but maintain it at the set temperature.

@richardbaker6654 Год назад

We have 5 panels in 4 rooms, two in the living room, one on the landing, bathroom and toilet. I run the living room ones at 19C which is more than warm enough for us. The bathroom is set to 20C as we like that a bit warmer.

@gerrys6265 6 месяцев назад

So what I really wanted to know was the 'how they work' difference between electric baseboard heaters and infrared heaters. The host tried to get them to answer that I think but they didn't. How does one heat the air and the other heat the object? How are they made differently?

@thinktoomuchb4028 2 года назад

Please do one of your expertly informative videos on Exergyn’s shape memory alloy heat pump technology.

@hankthetank185 2 года назад

Fascinating Bobby. I never knew this tech existed. Sign me up.

@drumcdoo9050 Год назад

I have two vertical stand alone infrared heaters. When in house alone turn oil heating off and turn one on for room measuring 7m x 5m. Have it on 600 watt seting which is perfectly adequate for room with double glazing. A dyson fan heater uses up to 3000 watts per hour and is noisy so using infrared heater and feeling like being in front of the sun is a no brainer. See on Amazon price for free standing infrared heaters with 600w and 1200w settings is now around £80 on one make so that is great news for those who cannot afford to heat their houses with hughly expensive to run electric walmounted heaters.

@93jsaw 2 года назад

Product sounds great, the running cost puts me off though. Recent calculation on my kitchen heat loss is approx 7kw which means a suitable panel will cost £2 an hour to run with the current high energy rates.

@Herschel-Infrared 2 года назад

Try using our calculator - we've never put 7kw into a kitchen (unless you have an extremely large kitchen)

@paulruffy8389 2 года назад

a really great sales pitch. gonna get a small one to test it out in one room with CH switched off at night

@NR-rv8rz 2 года назад

These look amazing. I'm going to get the £189 portable one for the winter as I sit at my desk at home most days. Last winter my electricity bill was £200 and now my rate has just doubled so I'm looking at £400 per month. The portable Herschel will cost me about £1 a day to run and I live alone so I don't need to heat my two bedrooms, kitchen and all my massive living room. I can just direct the energy from this portable one at me while I work. I think I can lower my electric bill this winter from £400 down to under £100 easily if I use this.

@MaliYojez 2 года назад

As this heats everything in the house, does anyone know if infrared heating affects books in any way? I’ve noticed that sometimes reading in the sun can warp pages a little, especially graphic novels.

@johnwang9914 2 года назад

The thing to remember with radiant heat is that a point source would have the energy drop with the inverse square of the distance also known as spherical divergence. However an infinite two dimensional plane source would give you constant energy density regardless of the distance from the source plane so the intent is to mimic an infinite two dimensional plane source. Now we see this with office fluorescent lights to provide "shadowless" light so that's what you're trying to do and wall mounts accounts for the two dimensional plane ending at the walls when the ideal is for it to be infinite

@craigturner2756 2 года назад

Amazing - I hadn't even heard of infrared heating before seeing this 😳

@frejaresund3770 Год назад

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

@GrantSR 2 года назад

I remember reading advertisements and articles about infrared heating in Mother Earth News way back in the Seventies. It just boggles my mind how long this is taking to catch on.

@marcusmeditation5289 10 месяцев назад

I just discovered you all Great informative channel I will now follow you and look back at your old shows

@tikitime 6 месяцев назад

I think we first saw kryton on episode 3 of Red Dwarf.

@petercandlish4398 2 года назад

Exactly as they say. Insulate/draught proof first; then plug in an infrared heater (you only need the electrician if you want to hide plugs/cables) and off you go. Heat pumps might be a good solution for new build detached houses; I live in a 19th 2nd floor flat. Infrared has been great. Point it at my sofa and I feel warm, fast.

@edc1569 2 года назад

Why not insulate and keep your gas boiler then.

@samthomas1457 2 года назад

Aren't gas boilers more expensive? Also relying 100% on a fossil fuel.

@alpachino468 Год назад

Less than the first minute in, they're praised so highly, that I can't help but wonder if this is a sponsored vid...

@Kie-7077 Год назад

Nice idea but 2nd to storage heaters which complement the irregularity of renewables and could be better utilised with variable pricing.

@NackDSP 2 года назад

Obviously heat pumps work and are really great in the summer for cooling too. I think Infrared is a great compliment to a heat pump system. Why not have both. Infra red is essentially a light bulb run a slightly lower voltage. The typical incandescent light bulb produced 90% infrared heat and only 10% visible light.

@paulgannon3261 2 года назад

Heat pumps work yes but not all heat pump installations work well. In a new build they will be ok without the increase in electricity costs we are heading for. But retro fitting can be a disaster or mega expensive upgrades to existing system. Which is not easy . Anything that can ease that would be great but we have to find a way to reduce electrical demand. Heat pumps are not the answer.

@jimmybrad156 Год назад

@@paulgannon3261 Have to increase electrical supply.

@cliveawilson Год назад

I’m really intrigued and impressed by these infra-red heaters. One question. Is it not the case that such systems will really lend themselves to automatic room-by-room control - ie a sensor that keeps the system on when people are in and turns it off when they leave? I would guess that would give the economic edge over alternatives.

@jezlawrence720 9 месяцев назад

Yes and no. If you've just got one in a room that's not used much, but when it's used it's used for a while, yes. If you've done your whole house the idea is probably that you'd use room based climate control but just keep the temperature steady at 18c. They bring the room up to temp then tick on and off regularly for a few days for long periods until, in theory, the thermal mass of the whole house has hit the point where they only kick in once or twice a day to top that mass back up. In theory. It's very hard to find non-sales reviews of that kind of install, and they rarely talk about the electricity usage over time or max draw and things like that. Also, as far as I can tell noone makes panels that actually modulate in any way - they're on full power till the temp is reached, or they're not on. Can't help feeling things would get a lot more efficient and home-battery friendly if they could maintain temperatures at a lower draw once the temperature curve shows things have warmed up fully.

@SamPrince 2 года назад

I'm surprised this technology hasn't moved on to the extent that it can do beam forming like WiFi to aim the heat at the people in the room as they move. Perhaps fitted as a replacement picture rail even. That could make it really efficient plus it would be off when people leave the room. It would still only be line of sight though so would tend to warm top halves more than feet and legs. I don't really buy the whole "it heats your walls to turn them into radiators" bit - if you aim heat at the external walls of a 1930s or earlier property you are pretty much aiming heat outside.

@davidstuart4915 2 года назад

Indeed, our 20s bungalow is double brick but no air gap and reamain cold at wharever temp heating is set

@lalsur8589 2 года назад

@@davidstuart4915 have you got double glazing. Other solution would be external insulation

@robertsmart7484 2 года назад

@@lalsur8589 If you have solid brick walls there is far more heat lost through the walls than even single glazed windows. Best form of solid wall insulation is external insulation, but that's the most expensive.

@izoyt 2 года назад

@@robertsmart7484 depends what kind of window/glass and what kind of walls, thickness etc. in general with older building/windows, you loose way more via windows, if we looking at same surface.

@robertsmart7484 2 года назад

@@izoyt Comparing the same area of walls and windows, windows will lose the most heat. But generally in houses with solid walls there is far more wall than window, especially for end of terrace, semi or fully detached houses, so overall the heat loss through the walls is more than the windows. And because of that, more expensive to insulate overall.

@garrywanhella9728 2 года назад

For your international audience, which is large, I’m sure, it would be nice if you could ask your nice guests, like Herschel, if they supply outside the U.K.

@Herschel-Infrared 2 года назад

Yes we supply all over the world. You can contact us through the website.

@andrewsusen3154 4 дня назад

I'm curious if there is a long term health effect study comparing these.

@Mr31Vince 2 года назад

Ive already got an air source heat pump, had it 7 yrs now, works great. Why go backwards? I had to change 4 out of 14 radiators and still running all radiators with 10mm microbore.

@HGSuper 2 года назад

If gas is approx 8p a kw and electricity is 25p a kw then this is good advice for people with the luxury of surplus electricity. Rob has a ton of panels and battery storage so his use case is perfect. Average 2u 2d with solid walls and no PV panels is bad advice for cost saving. Used with a well pv'd and batteried home on movement sensors and dwell programming it could do really well.

@hometechUK 2 года назад

I love idea becasue my house is so cold but I've used a different manufacturer infrared panel & it was pointless after 5 hours the room did not even move 1°c, the heat from the panel within 3 meters was warm but beyond 3 m you did not feel any warmth & the oppositewall or sofa temp did not change at all from the infrared?. Maybe different companies make them different but the one I tried at £170 was useless.

@davidspencer7254 2 года назад

Yes had an office heated by IR panels and same experience. Ended up with a fan heater.

@DJNihiloX 2 года назад

Looks like a great product, I definitely will be investigating this option for heating 😀

@pedropeladoni5477 2 года назад

Thanks

@brettster3331 2 года назад

Remember the benefit to a heat pump is it both provides heat and can remove heat for cooling interior or in other words air conditioning.

@Alexand3044r 9 месяцев назад

so in a building with many studio size houses the rooms around the room with the heater will have free warmth

@garthohas441 2 года назад

Very good adfotainment.

@Naultarous 2 года назад

Sales tip. If you say the competition is lying, your credibility goes down.

@yvonnereed167 2 года назад

It also increases the amount of intracellular melatonin in people as with modern lighting, window glass and people spending most of their time inside they get very little infrared exposure and therefore deficiency in melatonin which leads to poor sleep and reduced immunity.

@bknesheim Год назад

In a home infrared heaters are wasting energy if you compare what you get from heat pump. Where it make sense is in places with a very high sealing like in an industrial building. There you can mount the heater in the sealing while you heat what on the floor. The shadow effect can still be felt, but the distance to the heater even it out a lot.

@bartholomewcubbins9723 2 года назад

A couple of points that I don't think were mentioned... The better insulated and air-sealed your home is, the less comfort difference you will notice between an air heating system and a radiant system. One heats the air which in turn heats the surfaces it contacts. The other heats the surfaces which then heat the passing air. As long as your home's heat loss is minimal, the air temperature and surface temperatures will be more or less the same. Radiant heating vendors often tout the savings/efficiency to be obtained by being able to set the thermostat lower while still maintaining the same overall level of comfort. But at least one study found no evidence that people actually set the thermostat to a lower temperature. That is likely because of the equalized air/surface temperatures in newer homes. The thermostat turndown might only be found in poorly insulated homes with many air leaks. In those homes, it may be more the case that owners with air heating systems had to crank up the thermostat in order to keep up with the heat lost as warm air escapes by the stack effect. That said, even in a very well-insulated home, the windows are going to be a lot cooler (in winter) than the opaque walls. If the window area is large, you might feel cool on the side of your body facing the window but warm on the other side. Radiant panels could be installed around the window to offset the body heat being lost through the glass.

@TheJAMF 2 года назад

Where can we find the details of that test, so we can put it under some scrutiny. Air source or ground source heat pump?

@hershelhershberger5959 10 месяцев назад

Is this a product the could be used in a 5th wheel camper? What type of power connection does it require?

@jeesjees2 2 года назад

I'm not saying this is a hoax, but I think I've heard these arguments before. Infrared heaters were very popular in the 1990's when people installed ceiling heating here. We have that system too, although it has stayed silent for the past years, because it's absolutely horrifying to heat with it because of the electricity consumption. On a very cold winter day, heating with heat pumps takes around 100 kWh's, but with only one heat pump taken out of the equation and replaced with ceiling heaters, the consumpsion rises to 250 kWh's. I know this because we had an old heat pump fail in the winter. Good thing it did though, as the new one uses much less energy, even. This coming winter the heat pumps pay themselves completely AGAIN, because of rising electricity costs. Two pumps cost around 5000 euros to install, and thats around 14 000 kWh's with prices coming this winter. Incidentally, that is pretty much how much they save electricity per year, when used properly.

@dl393 2 года назад

Off the back of this video plus some other research, I've just ordered some Herschel IR panels as we're doing up some rooms in the house (including adding more insulation), so it seems a good opportunity to do so.

@captainwheelbarrow649 3 месяца назад

How did they work out?

@tombarron8741 2 года назад

I concur with the heat pump issues. I have one. They work well when it's warm but not when it's cold which is ironic. Add the high capital cost and limited lifespan and you are left with an expensive innafective headache.

@andrewrae6755 2 года назад

There will be No Gas Boilers after 2030.??? I beg to differ, there are projects and some already in use of Conversion of LPG to Methane all collected from sewage works and food waste digesters. There is also some kind of methane production using Hydrogen and Nitrogen from the air. So I would not rule out the conversion of already installed National Gas pipelines and domestic delivery and metering.

@andymoore9977 Год назад

Gosh I am late coming to this discussion! I am wondering if infrared heating has some psychological benefits over more conventional heating systems. Seasonal affective disorder (SAD) is associated with the UK winter and thought to be owing to lack of sun/day light. Could the lack of 'feeling' the sun's heat be a part of this? Could IR be an answer? Maybe Herschel could commission some clinical tests.