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Peter Waters G3OJV, give some pointers on how to install a Budget Class HF Antenna System for small Back
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@ricksshop
@ricksshop 2 года назад
I've tried to wrap my head around the relationship between current and impedance on an antenna, and you explained it in a way that makes perfect sense. Thank you. My roof is exactly 66 feet long, I'm going to try one of these.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful! Nice roof design! 73 Peter.
@vinniec5286
@vinniec5286 2 года назад
I have a 40 meter EFHW in an inverted V in my back yard. It is 24 feet high at the center (about 8 meters) and about 3 feet (1 meter) off the ground on the ends. I have the ends attached with bungee cords. As you said, it works on 40, 20, 15 and 10. I live near Savannah, GA (USA) and have worked England on 50 watts on 40 meters and the Cayman Islands on 15 meters and 15 watts. No ground, no counterpoise. It works very well.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi, great to get your news.Yes the EFHW is certainly a nice little performer. Have fun. 73 Peter.
@bradleyruhberg8626
@bradleyruhberg8626 2 года назад
I have a similar setup a few feet higher (28 feet), it performs much better then anyone can believe.
@chrispowell3664
@chrispowell3664 2 года назад
I have a EF random wire sloaping from 25 feet to 8 feet to my house feed with a 9:1 balun that I made myself . I get a 1.6 swr on 20 meters and made a contact from Minnesota to Tennesee with a 5 5 report at 100 watts with no earth or counterpoise. This random length of wire I am guessing about 40 feet that was originally use for SW listen. If I trim it to frequency I am guessing it would be even a better performer.
@brian.7966
@brian.7966 2 года назад
I use a 40-meter half-wave end-fed, I first mounted it just under the eves on the House, which just caused high SWR and a load of noise. them I reversed it and put the transformer at the bottom of the Garden and the SWR went down to about 1.3- 1.4 mark. the noise was greatly reduced and workable, I have had some good results, I live in a small terraced house with a small garden so this antenna turned out ideal for me. I use eco flex 15 coax and I have the transformer earthed to an earth rod. I also have a coil fitted to get me onto 80 meters, it does dog leg a bit but I can`t say it made much difference to signals in or out, thank you for your films.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hello Brian and thanks very much for your information. I think the transformer near the house may have acted as an inductor. At least it is now all working and I’m glad to hear of your experience. 73 Peter
@johnjanoscrat8000
@johnjanoscrat8000 2 года назад
Been a fan of the EFHW for years. Use a pair of them. I use LMR 400 and have ground wires and Alpha Delta Arrestors on both. Nice No-Nonsense video. Good Job! This "Yank" loves your productions. All the Best of 2022.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing. Take care. 73 Peter
@andreVE4BK
@andreVE4BK 2 года назад
Ham Radio is all about testing and trying things… get off the couch and get out there and build one before you make negative comments… it works! 👍 Thank you Peter for your informative videos.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Well said! 73 Andre. Peter
@johntyler4222
@johntyler4222 2 года назад
Nice video Peter. Bear in mind that if you tin a wire like you suggest at the beginning and wrap it around the terminal when you clamp onto it then eventually it will become loose as the solder creeps under pressure. I found this out in the early 80s when a mini computer was supplied with tinned power cables and after a couple of years the filter panel burst into flames! I now never tin clamped connections. 73, John.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi John. Over the yearsI have not personally had that problem. Maybe because I flatten them with a hammer before I clamping them! But, nevertheless, thanks for the warning. 73 Peter.
@ianbevan5183
@ianbevan5183 2 года назад
I now use an EFHW and despite being surrounded by a 'fog' of rf noise, it is one of the quietist antennas I have used. It's also low profile which is a bonus. Good video Peter. Ian. G0YAP
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Many thanks Ian. 73 Peter.
@Proc3000
@Proc3000 2 года назад
I always enjoy your antenna videos. Im all about on the cheap. And I am in the US but I have a small back yard so I love the videos about your small garden. I have almost purchased the comet I believe it was, telescopic vertical.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi Robert. Many thanks for your support. 73. Peter
@mikemiles3068
@mikemiles3068 2 года назад
Great video❗️ My favorite antenna, so versatile just through it out the window and start transmitting, it’s that easy. I don’t know how many that I helped friends and new hams put up this antenna in almost any configuration. 73 KV5P
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Couldn't agree more! Thanks Mike. Great to hear from you. 73 Peter.
@marcpruitt7299
@marcpruitt7299 2 года назад
Like your videos !! Am now a subscriber. Like the way you explain everything without getting so technical, makes for interesting and likable video. Keep them coming 73’s Kf4imv Marc Pruitt Alabama USA
@bereangirl7118
@bereangirl7118 2 года назад
73's Peter. I really enjoy all of your video's and they have really been helpful to me. I am in the process of putting up a 40 meter EFHW. I have ordered the LGD 49-1 unun but it wont arrive for another couple of weeks due to back order so that gives me time to cut my wire and get all my hardware and supplies from my local hardware store ready and plan out a possible configuration that will work for me. I live in a second floor apt which is at the back of the complex and we have a very good sized garden that is right below my bedroom window. Nobody ever goes out there. There are old chairs and an very old barbeque sitting out there in a nice good sized yard . I was thinking about raising the UnUn up to about 30 feet on a mast from my front door balcony and have the wire go about 33 feet out to another smaller mast about 20 feet up in the corner of the yard. I would then turn and spread out the remaining 33 feet from that smaller mast to another smaller mast on top of the carport roof which is about 15 feet above ground so in effect, i would have an Inverted V but it would be flat. Do you think this would work ok? Thank you...
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Nice to hear from you. Hope you get it soon. 73 Peter
@powellr3
@powellr3 2 года назад
Great information. We finally have the balun you mentionned available in the USA so I ordered one this morning. I plan to erect it as an up-sloper on my side yard and give it a go. Thanks for your video.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hope all goes well Randy. 73 Peter
@darkteckno
@darkteckno 2 года назад
It's an unun
@TheREALJosephTurner
@TheREALJosephTurner 2 года назад
Where did you find it available? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
@GreyGhost-r4z
@GreyGhost-r4z 2 года назад
Peter, Love the channel. Did not know LDG made the Orange 49:1 ! Thanks for sharing. Hello from across the pond 73
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Great to hear from you. 73 Peter
@rivit90
@rivit90 2 года назад
Fantastic antenna , I use a vertical 20meter band wire ( 10 meters long) with a 49:1 unun and a 10 meter fibreglass pole , outstanding performance , such a versatile set up
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing. 73 Peter
@rikrik8410
@rikrik8410 2 года назад
Another great video Peter I’ve picked up so many tips from you please keep them coming.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks, will do! 73 Peter
@stevewheatstone1856
@stevewheatstone1856 2 года назад
Hi Peter, when lockdown hit and I came back to radio after a 10 year break, the EFHW was the antenna that transformed my love of the hobby. They work a treat in my experience. If you can only put up 20m antenna (33ft) you can install a link to switch between 15m and 20m. Also I found 17m swr reasonable with 15m band length. Don't forget to put some sealant on the ldg boxes if you are going to leave outside. 73 Steve MW0SAW
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks Steve. Good advice. 73 Peter
@x_CrossHair_x
@x_CrossHair_x 2 года назад
This video Production is so good I thought I was watching The BBC
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Well, thank you.
@colinloc
@colinloc 2 года назад
Thanks Peter. I have recently purchased a second hand FRG-7 and am looking to have some HF fun with it without spending very much money and having relatively little space.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Have fun!
@ronhardie9213
@ronhardie9213 2 года назад
Thanks for this Peter ,I always enjoy your videos from another amateur ,I just received a new speaker from you - a Heil sound powered one which is superb and delivery really fast and cheap !! thanks G4SNU
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Good to hear from you and thanks for purchase. Take care. 73 Peter.
@batica81
@batica81 2 года назад
I'm using an end-fed hw for 40m in an inverted-L configuration. Half of it going along my apartment's outer wall, and other part just dangling down from second floor (even moving a bit in the wind). And it works great! I have a few meters counterpoise just to make it more stable, but works fine without one as well. No need for common mode choke either (tried only qrp so far).
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Many thanks and good to hear your results. 73 Peter
@zsradioham
@zsradioham 2 года назад
Any common mode choke will counteract the "counterpoise" effect in the feed line. Always run the feedline at lenghts at 7.1m or 14.2m or simular lenghts.
@andy2E0JIU
@andy2E0JIU 2 года назад
Cheers Peter,happy new year and look forward to the next small garden video
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Happy new year! Thanks Andy. 73 Peter
@jamesgeorge1709
@jamesgeorge1709 2 года назад
I just built a Shorty Forty EFHW using a homebuilt 34uH loading coil overall length of 39 ft. I,m having fun with my new LC meter. 73 KI0AD
@frankmooney7282
@frankmooney7282 2 года назад
after listening to your videos talking about both, if you could only choose one. the 49:1efhw or 9:1 random wire. thanks for all your videos. 73 de KI7MJU
@darren2589
@darren2589 2 года назад
Good video Peter, Ive never tackled HF at my house due to small garden but Im going to give this a go. Ive ordered one of the UnUn's and I already have some wire and a feeder.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful. Welcome to HF. details of building your own u UnUn coming up in next video. 73 Peter.
@fly1327
@fly1327 Год назад
A long, long time ago, I used to operate on ham bands, of course making many dozens of wire antennas. But never an end fed half wave with an impedance transformer. Now back just SWLing with a dongle to my PC on an indoor magnetic loop, already seeing I've got 140'+ room to fit a wire sloper my HOA won't notice to a really tall tree out back. Hmm. It is funny, last ham years were on 2M comms flying hang gliders, my wife (yes, licensed) chasing me and friends mountain flying for years. 49:1 huh?
@davidbrowne1588
@davidbrowne1588 2 года назад
Hi Peter, great video, I am making one for 80m + 40,20 , using a loading coil for 80m with a 12m spider pole I got from yours and mike's shop in Portsmouth, as I am only 10 miles from there, I am not the band police , but you do know that you did transmit out side the band when you did the vswr scan, I have seen a lot of people doing this , with these radios, I also have a G90 , to play with, Thanks Dave 2E0DMB
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi there. Let me explain that the TX level is very low, but milliwatts are needed to draw the graph. The same goes for MFJ analysers and indeed ALL analysers. You need to generate RF to measure VSWR. Technically you are correct, BUT ALL analysers work the same way. BTW your antenna should also work on 15m and 10m.73 Peter.
@justmejonboy
@justmejonboy 2 года назад
Good use of a pilot ruler 👍 Interesting video thank you.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Ha Ha - well spotted. 73 Peter
@WilliamParmley
@WilliamParmley 2 года назад
That is a fantastic bargain! I have a Balun Designs 49:1 that has the same ratings and costs twice as much. To be fair, it may use slightly more robust materials, but it is not that different in size or capability. I "discovered" the EFHW this year and have done a lot of experimenting with it for QRP portable use. It is an amazing antenna. With a 40m EFHW and a Spiderbeam 12m mast I can operate 40, 20, 15, 12, and 10 meters with excellent results. (Yes, 12m too, somehow.) The LDG 49:1 is difficult to find in the US; I've only found one dealer who carries it, and he is sold out right now.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi there. Thanks fir sharing. As the product is made in the USA, you should be able to find one somewhere. 73 Peter.
@WilliamParmley
@WilliamParmley 2 года назад
@@watersstanton Lots of places carry the LDG transformers, but the 49:1 doesn't seem to have made it to many places yet. I have my Balun Designs and my little QRPGuys kit (perfect for QRP portable!) so I'm all set, but the LDG is an great price for those who need a 100w model. 73 de KR8L
@vironpayne3405
@vironpayne3405 2 года назад
I've been running an 80m-10m EFHW for a few years and I love it. Following Steve Ellington's suggestion based upon test of grounding and choking at the feedpoint my EFHW went from an OK antenna to my go to antenna. For portable ops it hard to beat the flexibility and performance of an EFHW antenna.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Great info.
@Paddy_Roche
@Paddy_Roche 2 года назад
Thanks Peter, I made myself one and it works fine. Happy new year by the way, all the very best for the year ahead.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Happy new year! Thanks. 73 Peter
@tedfarwell9812
@tedfarwell9812 2 года назад
A pleasure to watch, as always.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Many thanks. 73 Peter
@anthonyrosa5006
@anthonyrosa5006 2 года назад
I first used this type antenna when on a club outing supporting an ultra marathon race using 2m radios and we had a lot of spare time on our hands so I set up a new FT891 bareback the forest with outstanding results on my first foray into HF radio hitting 6 nets in one session. At home it was very different. Initially it was disappointing but this is a hobby for tinkerers and experimenters.I got a lot of RF noise..I added a common mode choke with ferrites before the radio, had an auto tuner that did not do much as the Nano vna would show. I recently added a Palomar mini choker right at the Unun and that cut more noise enabling more bands to be heard more easily. I can now get 160 through 17 meters. I imagine that perhaps if I used some shorter counterpoises (not certain if this matters as I use 6 52 foot CP on 130ft wire) I might get 15,12 and 10m. I do have clay like soil with rocks so it's not the best. Using an inverted V with a 12m fiberglass pole (with the help of my trusty helper, my wife who has infinite patience) to support the center. Its certainly a compromised antenna though I can get across the pond and into South America from North Carolina. That first outing in the forest I got a weak contact into Germany and I was thrilled.. Planning to redeploy in another configuration soon. I think its a good first antenna and can offer a lot of variety and the ability to get on many frequencies or by deploying it differently short to long distance comms. A friend has his vertical up some tall pine trees and he swears by them. This is my opinion and as you might have guessed I'm pretty new in the hobby. It certainly lends itself to fairly quick deployment in the field as all you need is a tree that is around 35 tall. For clarification I do live somewhat close to high tension power lines and this may be the source of my RF issues that were not present in the forest.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Well a forest is likely to be a nice quiet location. I would start from scratch and install an EFHW with no earth connection and make sure you have an effective line isolator at the Tx end. You need to get that as quiet as possible before adding any extras. But there is a limit to what you can do, as noise will always be an issue. You could try a separate receiving loop and just use the EFHW for transmit. It is becoming a popular solution. 73 Peter.
@leewright555
@leewright555 2 года назад
The best 40m antenna I've had was a fine wire tossed out the window horizontal to a tree and a matching xformer on the window sill.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing. 73 Peter
@dbailey3024
@dbailey3024 2 года назад
My disabled friend was getting frustrated ove not getting long Dx on his 20m dipole so I made him a 49:1 with 20meters of wire now he could only get the length in by mounting it on the top of his 6ft fence around his garden now he is working Asia Japan all across the us South America on a regular basis so yes it does work and without the counter poise it’s 1:1 on40/20/15/10 m he is ecstatic over it so worth the effort of building it from scratch🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿😜
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Great news and yes, it really does work without a counterpose, as you have found. 73 Peter.
@GreyGhost-r4z
@GreyGhost-r4z 2 года назад
I’d like to see a video series on Antenna Masts that can support a Hexbeam type antenna. For hams that can’t spend their retirement on a Rohn Tower.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Will keep in mind. 73. Peter
@Dan-56
@Dan-56 2 года назад
Excellent video ! We’re patiently waiting here in the US for the LDG 49:1 Unun to arrive in dealers. Just a quick note about the the “binding post” style connections atop the Unun, and also the LDG Baluns; Each one has s hole drilled through it that allows for a “tinned” wire to inserted through it, and bent over to help secure it if desired. Also if the Unun is used where the antenna wire connection is not in tension, a gold plated male banana plug can be inserted into the top. I have used LDG Baluns and Ununs with both styles of attachment, left in the weather for many years, with equal success. Thanks again for a great series on wire antennas! 73s Dan’l
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks Dan for sharing that info. 73 Peter
@lexheath9075
@lexheath9075 2 года назад
WalMart website has a 49:1 unun.
@markramsay6399
@markramsay6399 2 года назад
Great Video Peter, all the best for 2022. Mark, 2E0MSR
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks, you too!
@WILLIAMPERRELLI
@WILLIAMPERRELLI 2 года назад
Love watching ur videos!!!! Were can I purchase this? Willi
@elesjuan
@elesjuan 2 года назад
I've used a 43' (13 meter) end fed vertical wire antenna with a 4:1 balun and some ground radials for years with great success. Everything from QRP all the way up a kilowatt and it costs virtually nothing while being an entirely invisible antenna strung up a tree in my yard. Negative Nancys in our hobby sometimes kill me with doubt of how effective an antenna won't be. Dude... I used an adjustable copper ground strap to load up a live aluminum light pole in a parking lot on 20 meters QRP with successful contacts. Anything metal is an antenna if you try hard enough!
@48pluto
@48pluto 2 года назад
That antenna has a bad SWR on all bands. But good it works for you.
@lmaoroflcopter
@lmaoroflcopter Год назад
​@48pluto which doesn't particularly matter because you can run it through a nice matching unit. Providing you're making contacts it really doesn't matter. Any antenna is better than no antenna, if you want to wring your hands over the SWAAAAAARRRRRR and spend your days snipping bits of wire off of your antenna, go for it. Me, in my garden where getting a half wave dipole up a quarter wavelength is a big nope, I'll work my inefficient antenna and enjoy it.
@richarde735
@richarde735 2 года назад
Happy New Year Mr Waters
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Same to you Richard. 73 Peter
@jonmcadams5401
@jonmcadams5401 2 года назад
Very helpful! A request: There are non-resonant end fed antennas that work on all bands. It would be very informative to have a review that compares the pros and cons of EFHW with non resonant antennas, especially in limited space situations. Thank you.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Great suggestion! Will put it on the list. 73 Peter
@hubercats
@hubercats 2 года назад
Great presentation. Thank you!
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful! Take care. 73 Peter.
@rcx575
@rcx575 2 года назад
Very pleasant video, thank you.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thank you too!
@tapretals698
@tapretals698 2 года назад
Hi Peter, great video. As a new UK Foundation licence holder, this type of antenna would work for me, as a way in to HF radio. I would configure as a sloper, from an upstairs shack window, into a fairly long back garden. I have space for 20m of line, to maximise available bands. Just a quick question re the line itself. Would the gauge of wire make any difference to VSWR / signal strength ? What would you recommend, trying to keep costs down ? BTW, on another note, what's your view on the Xiegu G90 as a starting place ? Keep up the great videos. 73's
@clems6989
@clems6989 2 года назад
Your feedline becomes the counterpoise.
@joereda5668
@joereda5668 2 года назад
73 de W9TXU out on the prairies of Illinois! I've recently retired from work, and now I have time for experiments. I found your excellent video via Hackaday and, since I need an antenna around here, am definitely going to try this. After all, aren't we hams experimenters at heart? One thing I wanted to get right: for 40, 20, 15 and 10, the wire would need to be about 60 feet long? Thanks so much and happy 2022!
@nr3rful
@nr3rful 2 года назад
love your stuff
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Great to hear from you. Thanks. 73 Peter
@je845
@je845 Год назад
Great video!!! I'm a bit unclear. You're connecting each leg of the dipole to the 49:1 unun (red & black terminals) correct? In terms of directional output from antenna does it matter which leg of dipole (center pin) goes on unun (EFLW red or black ?) again fantastic video. Thank You!!!
@pieterdutoit9642
@pieterdutoit9642 2 года назад
Many Thanks, for the video maybe we can get the disbeliever that it is a real easy 1 and works do use a 10m( 33ft) f coax feed line and can use all over and every where you go.base portable/Sota/parks caravan parks and support with you fishing rod and do some LONG distance DX fishing,73
@2E0YKD
@2E0YKD 2 года назад
Thanks for another informative video Peter. Just to clarify the sloping wire in the video that you did the test on was that physically 20 meters long?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
No it was 10m long with a base resonance on 14MHz. 73 Peter
@joereda5668
@joereda5668 2 года назад
By the way, I did see on another site that LDG expect to have the 49:1 unun available in the US sometime in February.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks for that info. 73 Peter
@TheREALJosephTurner
@TheREALJosephTurner 2 года назад
8 months later, and they still don't seem to be available in the US anywhere...
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR Год назад
Why could they not made the UNUN like the 16:1 but with 6 copper wires wrapped around a ferrite core 9 times and the wires connected in series with the center of the socket connected near to the ground end.
@michaeld.krochter5623
@michaeld.krochter5623 2 года назад
great info..thank you
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful! 73 Perer
@cooloftheevening
@cooloftheevening Месяц назад
Hi, can you clear something up for me? Every time I hear about power handling, it is usually something like "100W SSB, 100W CW, 60W digital" or some other description... My question is what about ordinary FM voice? Do you use the same values posted for say SSB or what do you go by? Many thanks
@watersstanton
@watersstanton Месяц назад
Generally FT9 digital is a good guide for FM.
@wolfwizard406
@wolfwizard406 2 года назад
Peter, great video, What would happen if you took the long wire, enough to make aLoop out of it. And brought the other end back to the earth lug?... say a ful wave poop.. do you think it would function as one?…, I asked LDG, AND GOT A VERY RUDE RESPONSE.. .. thanks for what you do, and I anxiously await your response.. Spike
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
The feed impedance is usally in the range of 100 Ohms so either a 1:1 or 4:1 balun would be needed.
@PaulAbney
@PaulAbney 2 года назад
Isn't the ground for lightning strikes?
@markcartlidge7107
@markcartlidge7107 2 года назад
Happy new year to you all. Peter love your videos. I’m going to run a 40m end feed around my garden but instead of the ends running vertical I was going to run them in a 90 degrees horizontally at about the height of 8m Will this still work. Regards Mark 👍
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi Mark, yes it will work and possibly better than dropping the ends down. Go for it! 73 Peter.
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 3 месяца назад
I’m a newbie and this article is about an endfed antenna connected to the 49:1 unun, you have another article where you use a random wire connected to the 9:1 unun, I’m confused about when you use one over the other?
@davidlynas7768
@davidlynas7768 20 дней назад
9 to 1 for random, 49 to 1 for efhw
@IndependentNewsMedia
@IndependentNewsMedia 2 года назад
Informative video.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Glad you think so!
@alvarogaitan2529
@alvarogaitan2529 2 года назад
fantastic job thanks my friend 73 from kb2uew
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it. 73 Peter
@Kenonharp
@Kenonharp 6 месяцев назад
Since you cover a number of bands, but not all, due to the harmonics (say, 40, 20, 15, 10), could you add another parallel antenna wire to cover the other bands?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 6 месяцев назад
Unfortunately no. The high impedance at the end sees this as an additional load that simply changes the resonance of the whole system.
@nigelbrooks6756
@nigelbrooks6756 2 года назад
Great video Peter , great to see you explaining the example of a inverted U with 2 vertical sections , this is how I run mine and on 80 m it is great I wonder if I get a slight phasing by having the two vertical elements. You mentioned the Zepp I have wondered about trying this by simply swapping transformer for a quarter wave length of ladderline into atu , my understanding is one half of the ladderline is the ground ? Similar to that of a off centre fed dipole in many respects , thanks again and happy new year
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi Nigel. The simple answer is to try it! I believe Moxon G6XN, may have given his views on the End Fed Zepp. Will take a look sometime. 73 Peter
@Steve-GM0HUU
@Steve-GM0HUU 2 года назад
You could make an End Fed Zepp by replacing the 49:1 with 1/4 wavelength of ladder line. The ladder line would be shorted at shack end and open at the antenna end with the 1/2 wave antenna connected to one leg of the ladder line. The other leg of the ladder line at antenna is not connected to anything. However, you will have to connect the coax from your rig across the ladder line near the shorted end at the point where you obtain a 50 Ohm resistive match. The End Fed Zepp is basically a horizontal J-pole. One potential drawback is that, if you do this for 80m band, the antenna (plus ladder) line is about 60m long. If you use the 49:1 Unun transformer, it is only about 40m long. Also, with the transformer, there is no faffing about with analysers or VSWR meters, etc to find the right tapping point on the ladder line (though some of us like doing that sort of thing 🙂).
@agadozde
@agadozde Год назад
can anybody name that particular porcelain insulator and where one could obtain one those please (must be that specific one) ?
@dbailey3024
@dbailey3024 2 месяца назад
Put one of these on a rigexpert analyser it did not do well at the higher bands a shame
@IK8XOO--Paolo
@IK8XOO--Paolo 2 года назад
Hello, are you sure the mix of that toroid is the right one for a wide band transformer? LDG declares from 1.8 to 30 MHz. Why you don't test the transformer insertion losses? It could be interesting to know before buying or installing it. 73s.
@erpece
@erpece 2 года назад
Nice video, Peter. I find the text on this box confusing: a 49:1 unun would indeed suggest it is to be used with EFHW (half wave) elements, but the terminal says EFLW (long wire)? EFLW usually work with 9:1 ununs and should be anything BUT halve wave lengths...
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Yes a bit confusing. But it is designed for EFHW.
@warrenphillips69
@warrenphillips69 2 года назад
Do you need an UnUn if you have an external antenna tunner?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
No you don’t
@sv2dsy
@sv2dsy 2 года назад
Great presentation Peter. What type of core is it? Thanks a lot...73's
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
There is no marking or information. Sorry. 73 Peter
@joeblow8593
@joeblow8593 2 года назад
For some reason the LDG RU-49:1 Balun isn't available here in the states. I looked at the vendors here and looked at LDG's website and there is not even a mention of it. Is this a U.K. only item?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Try contacting LDG direct. Maybe they have not updated their web site. 73 Peter
@riklowe
@riklowe 2 года назад
Thanks Peter - great video. Quick question - I thought you had to be careful to ensure any bends are greater than 90 degrees - to stop the sections interfering with each other - is that not true ?
@erpece
@erpece 2 года назад
Yes, bends of less than 90 degrees should be avoided if possible. That does not necessarily mean it will not work at all with one slightly sharper bend.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Basically a myth! A bend will change the radiation pattern to some extent but nothing more and there is nothing magical in the figure of 90 degrees! 73 Peter.
@SimonWilton
@SimonWilton 2 года назад
Another great video, another like, EFHW subject something Im struggling with. Have 49:1 on order. Lets see..... 73 Simon VA3SII G7HCD
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
many thanks Simon. Great to hear from you. 73 Peter.
@marcbarnard7268
@marcbarnard7268 2 года назад
If it works for you without an earth, that’s fine, but if you have any problems, especially with noise, earth it.
@TimTM-gm6od
@TimTM-gm6od 2 года назад
When are these 49:1 unun back in stock Peter?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hopefully a couple of weeks but next video shows hiw to nuild your own.
@TimTM-gm6od
@TimTM-gm6od 2 года назад
@@watersstanton thanks Peter. I suppose all the components will be able to be purchased from your good selves?
@newsles2
@newsles2 6 месяцев назад
Alas they no longer make this. No idea why not. There are few enough commercially-available 49:1's available as it is.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 6 месяцев назад
No I am not sure why.
@ve3sif
@ve3sif 2 года назад
thanks, Peter. I built an end fed for QRP ops using a 49:1 unun design. These end feds get decent results for me. The one I built was for use with the SW-3B QRP Transceiver and I've tried it out a little in the backyard with a few radios for fun - 40, 20 and 15 meters without a tuner: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PeVJnIc9w8Y.html You're right, Peter! You can get some good results without always spending a lot of money. 73 Ron
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing. 73 Peter
@nicholastaylor7737
@nicholastaylor7737 2 года назад
With the sloping antenna you have shown in this video, the low end of the antenna is high voltage point, this should come with a safety warning !!!!
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
You are correct 73 Peter
@w8lvradio
@w8lvradio 2 года назад
Can you run TWO wires from it, so that you cover 10/20 with one wire, and 15/40 with the second wire? I guess that's an end fed fan? ;-) 73 DE W8LV BILL
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Unfortunately no. A half wave antenna is very sensitive at the ends and adding an extra wire is at the feed point is simply seen as extending the antenna length and thus changing its resonance. I tried it!
@BrooklynNYCigarKing
@BrooklynNYCigarKing 2 года назад
Where can I find that LDG 49:1 Unun!
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
You don't say where you are located. The product is made in the USA. Check their distributor list. 73 Peter.
@kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953
@kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953 2 года назад
That little 1” core won’t hold up to 100w they’re qrp at most. And 2:1 max vswr. Plus you’ll need a 1:1 current mode at the back of the rig. Just tons of loss love to see a 1minute key down at 100w and sum temp reading of that core. Had the 1:1&4:1 on a resonant doublet and those both build up heat with in one min of ssb.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Maybe you need to try one.
@pasixty6510
@pasixty6510 2 года назад
Nice piece of hardware and a nice case. Otherwise you could build this cheaper. But all in all it Sems to be a good offer. Btw: no good idea to operate at 50+ Watt on FT8… everything above 15 or 20W is nothing but wilfully produced QRM and a waste of this mode.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
True! Not to mention those using linear Amops! 73 Peter
@johndrees830
@johndrees830 2 года назад
Why 49:1 vs 64:1 unun?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Because it works. But try the higher ratio and see how yiu get on. I might try it myself. 73 Peter
@digitalmediafan
@digitalmediafan 2 года назад
Is the dipole you are referring to at 6:18 10m long if it is resonant on 40 20 15 and 10m ?
@DK1PL
@DK1PL 2 года назад
Hi Peter, I like your videos they are well made. I have a question to your current video, if I have a look at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UcuHTWWOg7c.html then I can’t see ground or counterpoise connected to the balun? Is in your case coax cable shield the counterpoise?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi there. I have never found the need for any earth connection. That earth terminal is simply connected to the outer of the SO-239. The effect of the coax outer is largely of little functional use. I regularly use just 2 metres of coax back to the radio and I doubt that a 2 metre length has any function. Hope that helps. 73. Peter.
@MonterreyBlueman66
@MonterreyBlueman66 2 года назад
Too bad there is no way to buy this box. I wanted another box you had but you never even bothered to reply. It,s all BS
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
We sold 50pcs in 5 days. There will be more but even in the USA stocks are short. Peter.
@The-ir1vj
@The-ir1vj 2 года назад
so for a multiband 80 - 10 meter end feed horizontal using a 49:1 unun, what length does the aerial wire need to be. 2.5 ( quarter length) or 5 meters (half length) ?
@j3xk72r9
@j3xk72r9 2 года назад
The EFHW works well, but my experience is that it needs a counterpoise. I had a huge amount of RF in the shack until I sorted this out. If your feeder cable is long, then the screen is acting as the counterpoise. In my case, the feeder was only about 4m long and it was using the whole shack as the counterpoise, even with a line isolator in use. Adding some external counterpoise wires and earthing it to the metal conservatory frame got rid of most of the RF in the shack.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing. I have never had any RF problems and many users report they have had none. However, the line isolator is often needed. If it I is working correctly and covering the bands of operation, there should be no RF other than what is radiated directly from the antenna. Glad you resolved it. Take care 73 Peter.
@timg5tm941
@timg5tm941 2 года назад
This is often the case. A longer run often helps.
@andreolstad
@andreolstad 2 года назад
Horus: What type of unun did you use? I feel that people using 9:1 need radials. But not they who use 49:1
@loraz0
@loraz0 11 месяцев назад
Hello Peter. I worked 70 countries with a 40-10 EFHW and a Xiegu G90 on SSB. It is a wonderful antenna that has served me well. For portable use, a 10m pole and a 20m EFHW makes a vertical antenna that works extremely well. With 10m opening up, it is possible to make Many DX contacts with that set up.
@alandrury9955
@alandrury9955 2 года назад
I have an end-fed half-wave with the unun in a plastic box on the wall just under the house guttering and a thin wire sloping down into the garden to a small tree. No earth, no counterpoise, works fine and you can hardly tell it's there. I completely agree with your comment - more people should try it for themselves before saying it doesn't work
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi Alan. Thanks for sharing. All the best for 2022.73 Peter.
@8vRocco
@8vRocco 2 года назад
This, is what got me into ham radio. That is the proper attitude to have when it comes to this hobby. Experiment, try and try again! I stumbled upon your video as a recommendation as I am ready to set and experiment with EFHW antennas. We shall see what are my results when I try it! Last experiment I did with antennas was magnetic loops and now to EFHF! Looking forward for more back to basic videos. Carlos, WX7UTE
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks Carlos. Simple home made UnUn video coming up. 73 Peter
@TheREALJosephTurner
@TheREALJosephTurner 2 года назад
EDIT: LDG has discontinued the 49:1 unun. I emailed them to ask why I couldn't find one, and they replied saying it was discontinued. For whatever reason, I cannot find a retailer in the states that has this particular unun in stock. They all carry LDG's 9:1 and below, but no one has the 49:1. Figures, since the LDG is the one I really wanted.
@rolnas21
@rolnas21 2 года назад
Misleading note on box, it is not for EFLW, but for EFHW. Toroid is suspicious Iron based, probably very narrow band.
@delbertvoss9193
@delbertvoss9193 Год назад
Hi Peter, I like your video's. I installed a (Harvest Taurus 80M-6M Multi-Band Long Wire Dipole Antenna - inc WARC Bands) on my home. I ran the antenna from the the tower in the back of my home to the flagpole in front of my home. The balun is on the tower. I can not get a good SWR on any of the ham bands. My MFJ SWR Analyzer indicates I have good SWR on 5.765 Mhz. 218,92 Mhz and 44.482 Mhz. The wire is just above my asphalt roofline which is 15 feet above the ground. Do have any suggestions why my antenna is not working?
@watersstanton
@watersstanton Год назад
I am not familiar with that antenna, and can only suggest you speak with the manufacturers. Hooe you get it sorted.
@paulaubuchon2336
@paulaubuchon2336 2 года назад
Bottom line after watching your videos on the ununs... which is the best for the random wire antenna?? The LDG 9:1 or the 45:1 overall?? Paul K1YOU
@davidlynas7768
@davidlynas7768 20 дней назад
9 to 1 for random, 49 to 1 for efhw
@ka4ezy
@ka4ezy 2 года назад
Wonderful video! Great price point. However, LDG does not have it on their web page yet. Maybe they are rolling it out on your side of the pond first. Waiting patiently to add one to my portable kit.
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hes I noticed it was not on there. We have only had it in stock for around 3 weeks so maybe they are a bit behind on the web site. 73 Peter.
@matthaynes2484
@matthaynes2484 2 года назад
I have many antenna's and frankly the EFHW, and EFLW simply work, and work well! You will ALWAYS have a counterpoise, and it WILL be your feedline (unless you choke it) so the good old cheap "wrap your RG8x around a ferrite" will work well to stop CM b4 causing buzz on every electrical thing for 200'. You will need some min amount of feedline to act as counterpoise (25') .. it is not really magic. Like Peter says, just try for yourself!
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing. 73 Peter
@jamesgeorge1709
@jamesgeorge1709 2 года назад
I run a EFHW and with my years of hamming I have never found a better wire antenna, I am a QRP operator and recently worked Japan with my FT817 and 5 watts. So far I have set up my friends with 4 of them so far I use the 240/43 core and it's good for 250 watts. for QRP I use the 100/43 cores and they have been really good. I even going to try a shorty fourty using a 35uf loading coil and it ends up about 33ft plus approx 5 foot stinger wire on the far end of the coil. I hope you folks out there try it. 73 ki0ad/Jim
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Thanks James
@miltonball2591
@miltonball2591 2 года назад
Hi Peter may i ask are your Windows wood !? Ive got white pvc with aluminium frames would that affect the vswr at all M7CAZ
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Probably your frames would have little effect. The wire would be ar right `angles BUT try `nd keep the UnUn away from the frames. 73 Peter
@Justin-bd2dg
@Justin-bd2dg 2 года назад
That SWR sweep is suspiciously flat, like a very low Q antenna or a dummy load would produce. You should have distinct resonant dips especially if you zoom out with something like a Rig Expert that will sweep much more than just a single band. I build my own EFHW and I LOVE them, best antenna in my opinion for the type of use!
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
I think the VSWR graph on the X5105 is the reason. My Antenna Analyser showed the normal very distinct resonance. However, all EFHW do tend to show a broader response than a centre fed dipole. Peter
@jackK5FIT
@jackK5FIT 2 года назад
I tested my EFHW 10-80m antenna with just coax, with a counterpoise abt 4m, and a ground rod 8ft in the ground with copper strapping from the 49:1 transformer ground. I found it works all three ways but it has a bit better swr on all bands with the ground. Glad I drove the ground rod in last in the testing. I think every installation is a bit different so try it and test it. Jack K5FIT
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Jack, good to hear from you. Yes each installation can have its own little differences. Glad it working fir you. 73 Peter.
@hubercats
@hubercats 2 года назад
Dear Peter - I’m preparing to install an end-fed, half-wave antenna for the 40 meter band. It will connect to a 49:1 unun. The antenna will be trimmed to 20 meters (approximately 66 feet). Of this length, approximately 2/3 will run along one side of my house. My house is about 30 feet high with aluminum gutters installed at the top. I’m considering two options for the height of the antenna. One is to run it near the top of the house which would mean it ran parallel to the aluminum gutter (separation of perhaps 2 feet). The second option is to mount it half way up the side of the house (constrained by windows). While I prefer the higher elevation, I’m concerned about possible interaction with the metal gutter. Any advice you can offer will be much appreciated. As always, thanks for your time. - Best - Jim (KK7CSC)
@watersstanton
@watersstanton 2 года назад
Hi there. I have learnt over the years that jn these situations the antenna will work. Its a question of how well. If that is what you have to do, go for it! it is likely the antenna will end up a but shorter fir best VSWR because if the proximity of the gutter. Have fun. Peter
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