but its obvious that the plate is really well handled by airy and bessel points :). otherwise the coffee cup is not level and that causes marriage stress ;) . at least from my perspective. I am getting grumpy if my coffee is out of level : ) , so I am out of flex and level , my wife gets into physical stress and out of level , at the end we both are totally out of level , and stressed, and I have to pay the bill.
Not me, I couldn't watch the whole thing because of his accent, I don't know why, but it's just grating to my brain. Especially when he says "bearing" a thousand times in the span of 2 minutes, over and over and over again, air bearing air bearing. Sounds like he has a razor in his throat everytime he pronounces an R. I do have pretty severe misophonia though. Although I can't say it's even been triggered by an accent, I think it's the accent plus repeating annoyingly pronounced words every 2 seconds.
@@rosewhite--- No it isn't. Look up what misophonia actually is. To compare that to whatever you're talking about is just wrong. It's different form of synesthesia. Where sense have extra pathways and create different experiences. Instead of sight being linked to taste, sound is linked to the emotional centre of the brain
A chance to see this level of precision demonstrated by the man who built the machine is a rare treat. Thank you for letting us look over your shoulder. I was impressed with the machinists that could hit less than 1/2 thou but this so much more precise. 👍
Dr. Gelbart you are truly a role model, our society could desperately use more like yourself for children instead of the common celebrity who is famous simply for being famous.
That must mean I'm still using rock and copper chisel....~¿@ Thank You Dan Gelbart for sharing this great build!! The compression bolt was quite brilliant! Curious what material you used for it? ~PJ
Dan Gelbart Thanks very much! I'm quite sure you took all of this into account but I would have thought maybe something closer to the granite for thermal expansion...Tungsten maybe? Curious if this unit is used in a controlled environment and the mild steel expanding by maybe ~.0001/2ºC around room temp. When I think of all the materials & mechanisms working in harmony to achieve these tolerances for
pjsalchemy because od the air gap matching the expansion is not critical, will just change the air bearing gap. Where steel has to be bonded to the granite (headstock and cross-slide parallels) attention has to be paid to allow some differential expansion without bending.
+Mathew Copeland I think what he means is that nothing about this machine is really revolutionary. Other than the chuck , all the components are just the best parts for this use, bearings? use the most precise bearings, use the most precise bed and make the assembly ultra stiff. not saying that is isn't impressive, but it's just many little things done very well
Many thanks Dan for sharing this beautiful creation. There is a serious problem with it however - it is way too short! Please please make this just Part 1 of many. We need to see the headstock and the carriage in detail, and more turning operations and more... well just MORE!
It's not everyday that someone as successful as Dan shows his inner sanctum (home workshop) on youtube.. even his life story and philosophy of Creo is interesting.. I've been developing tech and machines in my basement for years now (since I was 23) and i'm close to finally go commercial soon so hopefully I can make money to buy bigger machines because the chattering and weak mini mills and lathes will soon be the death of me.. can't take in anymore to be honest!.. anyway cheers Dan, you're an inspiraton to us!
Hey Dan loved working on projects for you at Creo! My first engineering co-op was there & did several more. Loved getting around people like yourself & others. My favorite time of the day was around the lunch tables listening in on rediculous engineering debates where each party was deeply intrenched on their hypothesis and would defend it to the bitted end 😂. The results in the labs were the only way to settle it!
Truly a testimony to what mankind can achieve when focused on high levels of order. You have made an amazing machine, which is certainly a reflection of your character, sir, refined, humble, talented, skillful, courageous, inventive and a host of qualities yet out of reach of my understanding. Thank you very much for taking the time to make this wonderful machine and to produce the very well done video for all to enjoy. Kudos!
Totally transfixed on the video. Man this has got to be the best video i've seen all month! Beautiful machine, masterfully manufactured, excellent explanation of the workings. This is what true craftmanship is all about! Thank you so much for uploading!
Dan, one of the biggest inspirations on this subject! In all your series i never heard you mention the use of metal filled epoxy for casting precision surfaces (on metals, ultra high performance concrete, epoxy granite or any other reasonably stiff and stable material). As someone else mentioned, a "perfect" flat, parallel or square surface could easily be formed by using special epoxy like Moglice or DHT, a surface plate and standard measuring equipment. Or to match a bore to a shaft and so on. For mating or bearing surfaces , but especially for air bearings, as there is no contact between surfaces, so the bearing properties between the materials are mostly irrelevant. Also you can mold in pockets, orifices, restrictors with dissolvable materials like wax or even 3d printed plastics. For example, experiments were made for mating a nut including all the air channels to a precision acme screw with Moglice, which were lapped to each other afterwards for a defined clearance, with some promising results. I'm just pondering what you could achieve with this method, with reduced or even without the hassle of scraping, lapping, grinding or machining surfaces. Also your choice of materials and methods of forming structures would greatly improve. I plan to make a couple of experiments, so i would love to hear your experience or opinion about it. Thank you so much for your content, saved me many years of unnecessary try and error, but also gives me even more inspiration for years of experimentation! much love from switzerland :)
You raised a good point, but epoxy granite can only be used where there is no wear, such as air bearings or non moving parts. It scratches too easily for all other applications. I considered it for the lathe, but the way wipers collect grinding dust and chips and would have worn out the ways. Even is the ways are air bearings you need to wipe them. BTW, it is a Swiss invention, introduced by the Studer AG grinder maker under the name Granitan.
Don't you just love it when an engineering/design/machining/electronic/fabricating genius tells you, "It's actually not that difficult to build a machine like this" ?????
I'm just imagining what kind of thoughts can be put into reality with such a tool just in a few minutes. Dan, please, keep posting a videos about your work. I even urge you to put a camera in your shop and make it live streaming without even thinging about how it will look like))))
It´s great that you are back. Your videos are brilliant. Please keep them coming. BTW: I can't believe that some of your videos only have one or two thousand views. It is very important that you enter lots of tags and keywords to your videos so that RU-vid can find them and suggest them to the viewers of videos with a similar subject. Thank you so much for sharing yor incredible knowledge.
This man's work is so beautiful I tend to hold my breath when looking at it. As an amateur machinist, I have never hold any tolerance tighter than a thousandth. This has been good enough for small o-ring grooves, heat-shrink fits, seals, seats for (commercial) ball-bearings, and so on. I have a professional machinist bro who typically does not have to hold any tolerance tighter than a "tenth". Dan, you are on a level so beyond what I am familiar with it is beyond my ken.
a tenth is same order of magnitude, this is a luxury machine. you can get same results from inferior machinery it just takes time. in dan gelbarts case time happens to be worth millions of dollars. The part is what matters
I can't even believe you built this yourself. I've been building mills and lathes for about a year now, trying to get my own design worked out; never thought to use granite as surface material..... you've given me some inspiration. I ran an od grinder years ago, and I always loved how precise it was. I even considered building a grindef instead. I'm definitely building a grinder now, and I'll be using granite thanks to you!
I have a picture in my designs folder of an enormous machine made primarily out of granite... likely no less than 4 tonnes of stone in that machine... the parts appear to be both epoxy bound and stud retained with anchors of some sort... quite akin to the classic 4way split concrete anchors, but i cant say for sure from a single picture... Its a great material, hard, stable, durable, great for air bearings especially, but yeah, its not such an uncommon thing... it is rare in general, but not in the industry and specialized worksites...
This is so cool! I think air bearings in general are very underrated, maybe also because they cant take that big loads. But this is quite a nice machine, and I'm relieved to see coolant for the grinder. I thought that it would spray grinding dust everywhere, which could potentially ruin the bed
Thank you for your videos Dan! You have a great deal of knowledge and the fact that you are willing to share that with others on a ‘not for profit’ basis is very inspiring! Only thing I regret is that didn’t find your videos about 4 years ago when I started on my prototype/manufacturing journey!! Well done my friend and please keep uploading these very informative videos if you can manage to fit them into your busy schedule. Thank you 🙏
Hi Dan, it is amazing to see how you talk about such levels of precision as if it is nothing! Very humbling experience, but what a joy to watch your video. Thanks so much for sharing, and of course I have signed on to your channel. Kind regards, Donald
I salute your incredible practical knowledge Mr Gelbard. Two or three people with your passion and experience and attitude could transform my countries vassal economy. Please keep posting!
Hi Dan, I couldn't say how many times I have watched your videos and read all the comments and replys now. every time I do though I discover another titbit of genius. Because of you at the age of 50ish I have been inspired to go back to school and study engineering to gain a better understanding of the things you talk about. I also have the Moore tool books on your recommendation, they are pure gold. I look forward to when you have time to go into detail on your lathe chuck. Cheers Andrew
I am curious what kind of linear motion control you use for something this precise? is there a certain type of ballscrew or servo you used to build this? And are your hand controls digital so that the computer can compensate for backlash in the ballscrews even while manually jogging? Love the build btw!!!
Great Video course, thank you. A couple of questions; are the air bearings porous media or orifice? How do you prevent chips from clogging them? Do the slides move on threaded rods or linear motors? Be great to see the machine in greater detail; its one of the wonders of the western world. Congratulations. Edward
Air bearings are orifice+pocket type, porous media will absorb coolant and plug up. The air pushes the dust out, chips cannot get into the 10um gap. Slides are driven by high-grade ball screws, rotated by stepper motors.
I've watched this video many times and still not Bored. I wish I had this Mans Shop Set-Up. The Dreams that could be Brought to Fortition with this Equipment is Mind Boggling.
well you dont need any phd for that - he gave you the core hints - semiconductor airbearing spindles (500-700 on ebay) and granite parallels - 24 inch ones are about 2700 usd per pair AA grade / you still need linear motors to drive the carriage / saddle - graphite pucks as airbearings for the slideing surfaces are diy'able - as i said it doesnt take a phd - alot research sure / but overall he gave the crucial hits already
I just found this channel and already I'm in LOVE with the information and the presentation OF the information! Thank you for posting such interesting information! (I've already subbed and will of course thumb UP every video as I watch them!)
1 micron is still 10000 times bigger than an atom. So I wonder how much air is escaping per minute? If you leave it close how many days does it take for air to completely escape the cylinder?
Yes, I was thinking the same myself. So it is apparently about relative dimensions -- the volume of air inside the cavity versus the amount or air that can enter or escape around the sides. There has to be some air between the metal parts to provide the low friction and non-contactness, but is there any wear between the surfaces?
+kubeek Re air bearings, just google the subject. If tools sharp and you take a finishing cut, the cutting forces are surprisingly small and air bearing with a large area deflect very little, sub micron. the carriage of this lathe runs on large area air bearings.
Yeah it becomes pretty obvious in these videos you could learn more in a week following this guy around than in 4yrs of engineering classes. I really wish I could download his brain, parallel to my own. That would be so useful.
Hi here from Germany ..... I don´t know what i can say ..... Best what i´ve seen in the last Years .... Respect man unbeliveable i wish i can work with you! Thanks a lot for showing this, ever i have said that some machine are like this, cause the technic solution is ready to build things like your m. they told me words like daydreamer and never in small shops will this be reality .... So thank you very much You made my year!!!!
It's an amazing lathe. I only try to make air bearings once, when i build a Tesla turbine, and i fail miserably. The tolerances have to be very tight. You had a very clever solution to build the bed, does the viscosity of the epoxy affect the aligment of the parallels during the glueing? do you have to press the pieces with high pressure?
Noneed for pressure, the weight of the granite pushes out the excess epoxy. The parallels are kept in alignment during curing via a matched pair of precision steel spacers. Very slow setting epoxy is used.
+Dan Gelbart So it flows naturally. Thanks for sharing this video. It's an awesome lathe. I too like to engineer everything my self. Today I test a homemade forging die to make thick aluminum cones. And I didn't miss my calculations by much! Sometimes manufacturers make everything look like, but there is always some sort of way to do it yourself.
Hi, Dan, amazing machine, thanks for shareing. I wonder if it is easier to build this type of lathe based on an existing precision manual lathe, by replacing the spindle with air bearing spindle, and reuse other existing parts on the lathe, if so, can you recommend a good manual lathe to start with? thanks,
The bed and cross slide of an existing lathe is not accurate enough. You need 1um straightness and squareness. . What you can do is buy a used Moore #3 Jig Borer (under $3000 on Ebay) and mount the spindle instead of column. Several companies who needed high accuracy machines did that.
Thanks, Dan, do you know any place I could source a nice air bearing spindle? I would like to turn max 200mm OD part on this lathe. Also, any requirements on the maximum spindle speed? the higher the better? Thanks.
Dan Gelbart good point. Just curious,I am attempting to build myself a lathe (it doesn't have to be as accurate as the lathe you built) and I was wondering if epoxy granite could be substituted for the granite parallels that you used. Seeing as it's my first lathe build,I am bound to make mistakes,and getting expensive pieces of granite parallels would be very costly mistakes to make. Sorry for taking up so much of your time, and thanks for putting these videos on youtube, I have learned so much already.
@@dgelbart Hi Dan thank you very much for sharing. Is the spindle like a dover air bearing spindle that you mounted with an additional thrust air bearing? I assume you had to machine a custom mount for your chuck as well? It would be neat to see more information about the spindle. Thanks for sharing what you have regardless!
this is the kind of things that make precision mechanics a superior sience! No doubt your machine can be mentioned among great names like SIP or Hauser
Hi Dan, In one of your (fantastic) tutorial-videos, "part 16 of 18 Machining" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a_E-tYRxBkU.html#t=8m40s , you mention adding a groove to the tip of a tight-fitting shaft to aid with self-aligning. How are you able to fit the piston in the cylinder at 0:48 without having made such a groove?
+Aditya Mehendale Very good observation. The cylinder bore has a bit of a lead in taper in this demo, but this is not always allowed. The groove is the right way of doing it, leaving a 1-2mm wide ring at tip. One other factor that helps on the demo is that both parts are very hard, this makes insertion much easier.
@@dgelbart Hello Dan, a colleague of mine has recently built a nice EDM machine as a side-project. He discusses a nice tip to get a wrapping-angle of >360 degree on a pulley here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-us3KhT7r01g.html (Channel-name: RU-vid --> BAXEDM). I think you'll really like it (and the rest of his video-series too, if you have the time - Mike has 5 videos in the series thus far). Regards!
@@dgelbart Dan, I must absolutely implore you to watch this video (flextures cut on a homebrew-EDM) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CcTQoy_tBp4.html
Hi Dan, My name is Dale Derry. I have a youtube channel called Metal tips and tricks. About a month ago I mentioned you to my followers as a must see channel. Im so glad you did a new video please keep them coming. P.s. Here is the name to the video I mentioned you in."How I learn Metal Working"
Dan, I'm not sure if you're still reading these comments, but I'd like to thank you for sharing this knowledge. I've just finished your video series, and, well, let's just say it got the cogs turning. I'm building a DIY CNC router, and your insights have already led to several design changes. Best regards, John. AvE sent me.
Hi John: I'm reading all the comments and they inspire me to make more videos. At the moment I'm busy with a new metal 3D printing company, Rapidia, which leaves me no time to make more videos, but I will.
Under 10 grand. The granite is from precisiongraniteusa.com, about $2500. Motors and sppeed controls from goldenmotor.com, about $500. Ball screws (C0) and air bearings are surplus, from Ebay. All electronis (stepper and microstepper drivers , power supplies, switches etc) from Ebay. A regular chuck shold be under $1000, mine is very specialized, all parts lapped to 1um.
Someone else mentioned this, so I came back and read it again. I am surprised to see you are using steppers. It seems to me that something more analogue would have suited your surface finish requirements better. I am a real fan of servos + resolvers (at eBay prices, I should add).
@@CBRFFan what do you mean with resolution? The reason I ask is that resulotion and actual accuracy are different things. After looking at their site for one of their modern machines the resolution on the glass scales is 0.01 micron, drives are 0.1 micron and it results in a accuracy of 2-3.5 micron in X/Z
@@CBRFFan I don't think so. Make a part with your lathe and then compare it on a AA surface plate with gauge blocks. See if you're within 0.1micron. My cheap caliper shows down to 10micron but the accuracy is 25micron (1thou). My micron glass scale has an accuracy of 2microns. So what you see on your display is not what you get
Micrometers that read in 0,01mm are sometimes calibrated with 0,001mm accuracy. Something that is reading in 0,001 or better may as well be 10 times worse than the reading. At any rate that accuracy requires flooding the whole machine body and screws especially with temp controlled cooling oil. If it doesn't have that, it's impossible to be so accurate consistently
that air bearing is very interesting. 🤔 there is nothing like watching the air bearing in action compared to someone explaining the concept. 🥰 thanks smart Dan.
With this technology, you are dealing with accuracy/tolerances of almost the peaks and troughs of the atoms in a metalic lattice. I want one for my home. Lol
I can't express my joy in words. I hope we can convince you to do a more detailed design overview of the different components. I could listen to you discuss building machines to micron accuracy for a year straight!