came back to this after 2024 finals, i originally commented after 2022 finals: -Music City: 82.875, 2023 Semis (+4.7 pts) -Genesis: 79.813, 2022 Prelims (+1.088 pts) -Pacific Crest: 86.35, 2024 Semis (+1.00 pts) + Highest placement -Colts: 90.263, 2023 Finals (+3.188 pts) + Tied Highest placement -Troopers: 89.475, 2023 Finals (+1.575 pts) -Mandarins: 93.775, 2023 Finals (+4.337 pts) + Highest placement -Blue Stars: 92.775, 2022 Finals (+0.675 pts) -Boston Crusaders: 97.413, 2024 Finals (+2.855 pts) + Tied Highest placement -Bluecoats: 98.75, 2024 Finals (+0.512 pts) + Tied Highest placement lots of corps slowly/steadily improving, even in the lower ranks, which is awesome to see in this day and age. some other corps have had huge breakout years, like mandarins, boston, and music city!
Honestly impressed with the amount of highest scores that were gotten in 2019. Alot of improvement from smaller corps and the larger corps that also topped out in 2019
I think it might have had something to do with the change in on field judging. its harder to see/hear some things from further away. I do not know that for a fact though... just speculation!
I was there in 19 and everyone was pulling for the Mandarins to make finals. They had such a great show. I ended up on my flight home with a bunch of them. Great group of kids
Oh boy yall, we are in for a few changes, huh Colts is now 87.450 (during semis), up from 87.075 Mandarins is now 90.013 (finals), up from 89.437 Blue Stars is 92.775 (finals), up from 92.10 Boston is now 97.325 (finals), up from 94.558 Yeah thats all that I got tho hehe Super excited about all these not as famous corps getting some time in the finals spotlight! Also, Troopers man. Welcome back
@@xaza5625 My best advice is practice what you know and attend auditions no matter how confident you are! Ive been to soooo many drum corps auditions where they tell you they contract on "potential" not talent at that given moment/ audition so if the staff can tell you are someone with a good work ethic, don't get discouraged too easy and you work well with others you're more than likely to make it :) Plus it's always great to reach out to current members or alumni to see what kind of skills you can practice
@@xaza5625 as she said it is best to practice, and get in contact with our director/CEO. Tell him about your situation. You can audition online or maybe do an in person tryout in the Memorial Day camp. In terms of graduation I’m sure you may be able to figure something out, though the corps move in are just a bit less than month away. Practice and be as prepared as possible. Staff loves to see people who have potential and willing to work with the corps.
@@xaza5625 no clue if you are still trying or need advice but most corps have about a 50-60% chance acceptance rate if it is your first time trying out and if it is your 2nd or more there is an about an 80-90% acceptance rate so it’s not as difficult as you would think
For sure man. If they wouldn't have hand fisted Hey Jude in their last minute I think they would've taken first. The scoring was so close. Even then I still think they should have won. Maybe technically Ghostlight was good but I honestly don't think there was a single part of the show that genuinely I genuinely loved.
Damn at 1:32 with Genesis I’ve never heard the bottom drop out on the contras and it come through so clear on a recording!!! One of the best contra sounds I’ve ever heard right there!
so great to think that you will have to update this video because of the successful 2022 season. I’m not sure about all the corps this year, but I do know that Boston, Mandarins, Colts, Music City, and Genesis all posted all-time corps high scores!
What I love about the FE cam of Spirit is it shows just how core to the musicianship of that corps the elements of jazz music were. Those guys were *feeling* that time, and they were on it. Also thanks for the reminder it’s time to rewatch Vanguard 89 again
4:35 I think the Mandarins just rose 10 places in my mind based on nothing more than the choice to cover that f**king horseshoe helmet in the center of the field.
Saw on another video the reason for that, apparently for their finals performance scouts had to wait 45 minutes between warmup and performance for something that had to do with the live broadcast. They weren't as engaged in their opener during finals as they were during semis.
The beginning caught me so off guard. I was like "hey, I know that music......city." lol, my hometown corps. I hope to go visit them if they stay nearby for spring training. I haven't seen a drum corps in person since 2019. I'm missing it bad. Edit: correct me if I'm wrong, but the blue knights have scored up in the 95-96ish range right? I swear 2015 was their highest scoring year.
Not sure if you want video ideas or not, but maybe doing the Top scoring shows in places 12th-1st? (Example being I think Regiment 2019 was the highest 12th place score in DCI history)
So glad music city was able to break their record this past season. Nothing against 2019, but in some ways it was a regression (especially in the 2nd and 3rd movements).
It doesn't compute in my brain that there's ever been a higher score than Crown 2013, but the Judges probably need to be a bit more objective than I am.
Some thoughts on scoring: 1.) There can be no such thing as a "perfect" score. In science, the last digit in any measurement is a guess. If I measure a piece of string in millimeters, I have to guess if the very end of the string extends past the final millimeter mark by half a millimeter, a third of a millimeter, a quarter of a millimeter, etc. So any measurement of the physical world is always, to some small degree, an estimation. And if it's impossible to measure the length of a piece of string, it's infinitely more impossible to measure the exact position of a human being running around a football field, the exact intonation of eighteen trumpet players, the exact rhythmic cleanliness of nine snare drummers, etc. You would have to confirm that every atom in every human body on the field was positioned exactly above a given drill dot. Even if we issue a perfect score as something relative to "the other performers," or whatever, we admit that we're scoring based largely on emotion, and not on objective physical values. 2.) "General Effect" cannot be measured objectively. While it is physically possible to measure an object or a length of time, no instrument or technique exists to measure the profundity -- the emotional impact -- of a work of art. If a child draws disorganized lines and shapes on a table, most people would agree that her "art" lacks the emotional and intellectual force of Rembrandt or Michelangelo. Yet, to the child's mother and father, the child's art is infinitely more meaningful than The Night Watchmen or the Sistine Chapel, because they love their child. Therefore, no small community of judges or music educators can estimate "General Effect," because everyone who experiences a work of art is generally effected by it. Even those with serious physical or mental impairments can, at times, be profoundly effected by art. No individual or group of individuals has a monopoly on how "effective" a work of art is. As a logical necessity, "General Effect" can only be ascertained democratically, by polling all who experience a work of art and compiling their responses as votes. 3.) Using the same method of adjudication to judge both the subjective and objective -- both the measurable and un-measurable -- aspects of a work of art does a disservice to artists. Professionals can measure objective features about a piece of art with a high degree of accuracy, (though never perfectly, as stated above), but counting the artistic opinions of any individual or group of individuals as authoritative forces artists to conform their art to those individuals' personal preferences. In a fairer world, artists would create whatever art they choose, allowing their audiences, professional or un-prosessional, to evaluate the emotional effect of their art. My personal opinion: In a competitive forum, the objective aspects of art should probably be weighted more heavily than the subjective. Otherwise, expertise is stifled. In fact, one can imagine a technically superior artistic work being ranked beneath a technically inferior work, because the inferior work included references to popular events, people, ideas, etc. Kanye West tells a story about "rap battling" a high school classmate, reciting the most complex lyrics that he could create on the spot, and being out-done because his opponent responded with, "My name is Chris, and you smell like piss." In a democratic adjudication system, it may be imperative that "General Effect" always carry less weight than the objective aspects of an artwork. On the other hand, I suppose artistic communities should decide for themselves how to weight the objective against the subjective. Ingenuity will always follow reward, so responsible people should probably decide for themselves which artistic features to prioritize. In any case, even the most capable individuals can't be expected to observe a small fraction of the complexity of a drum corps performance; that's why issuing a perfect score is fallacious. And nobody can decide how effective an artistic performance is; that's why General Effect should be decided democratically. It's up to us all to decide how heavily we reward the technical versus the emotional.
Dang Ryan, love the analysis! My concern is with objective measurables (visual and music performance scores) holding more weight than General Effect. I think back to 2008. BD had the more superior visual package (drill and color guard) & brass book. Phantom was stronger in percussion and GE. GE is what won Phantom that championship. Are we willing to sacrifice the weight of a feeling the drum corps gives to the judges, audience, etc? Yes, judging a “feeling” is impossible to be objective, but that has to be given a significant weight in my opinion, otherwise shows like Spartacus will only be fan favorites and never champions. Love the discussion!
Noting that all of these scores are pretty much limited to the post "Tick" scoring system that did emphasize marching and precision in a much different way. One person out of step in a company front could cost many points deduction back in the day if a judge decided to park there and watch that one person.. Systems were gamed and this type of judging pretty much went away with the evolution of drill.. I am no expert though and am just going on memory. There have been times where it seems that judges do put themselves at odds with audience perception of "what is good." It seems that progression of scores follows a very predictable path throughout the season and that off nights don't seem to impact certain corps at certain times. We all have our biases, judges included.
Phantom got robbed of what? They won! 😎 You might be thinking of '88 when they lost to the Scouts. The 3rd place Blue Devils were my favorite that year.
@@voiceofreason9238 they lost to SCV in 89. Second by an ant’s eyelash. Many feel that the superior show lost that night. I agree with you about the 88 Blue Devils though. My favorite drum corps show of all time.
You are right! I said "Phantom" when it was actually "Phantom of the Opera!" Thanks for straitening that out. I saw both shows. You would think I would know better.
Just goes to show you that in the end, score don't really matter. In only 3 instances were these shows my favorites from these corps (Blue Knights, Blue Stars and Blue Devils). The rest were definitely not my favorites. Some I like (89' Vanguard, 2018 BAC, 1988 Scouts, and many, many others), others (2005 Cadets) I don't like at all. Overall, I like more than I dislike so that's good. We all have different tastes as far as show styles go. There's more to life than high scores.
@Sforzando Now you need to do a new one after all the historic bests and such at OLS 2022... But dont forget to add in the newest member of the big party, The Battalion from Utah.. Took 7th in theirs first trip to Ooen Finals (being beaten by 3 california powerhouses and 3 much older established corps) and then coming one place from making Semis on their fist try.. I dont care what anyone else says, Calgary doesnt count... due to a bazillion woodwinds LOL And that is coming from a former Flautist in a marching band!
