Historical PROBLEMS With The Bible & Quran | Bart Ehrman & Javad Hashmi 

As a former Christian and former Muslim - twice fooled! 😆 - I am signing up! ♥️

​@@SethHdkyeah there's alot of people on the road to destruction

@@bradmccoy7996 Proselytize, bro proselytize! 😆

@@bradmccoy7996 Yet atheism built O civilizations shows man needed God to send objective Iaws and signs to help recognize, & Islam is the preserved finaI faith predicted in major scriptures like bibIe and vedas. Humanity in whole proves Islam true, so we se Allah is Merciful, Just & All Wise. We learn more in Quran. This is just the past. As well as history signs like Quran corrects bibIe Josef spoke to a king, not firaun and rosetta agrees, many signs of the Iast day coming to fruition. Roam beat lran as Quran predicted. Umar beat Both predicted in hadith. PIague of Amwas. In Recent times competition of building tallest building by Arabs, this happenned suddenly due to oiI. Hadith said Arabia would green again, key word again as oil shows it was green before and it's greening now, a duaI sign. & so forth.

@@SethHdk With marxism? atheism buiIt least and maimed in the moraI vacum most guys.

It will destroy the faith. That doesnt happen with the bible because it doesnt have to be perfect

@@Cassim125 Islam as it is destroyed my childhood. I used to play guitar and wanted to be a musician and I had a talent and passion for it. But then I was told music was haram and especially stringed instruments. Me being young, I just dropped it all. Now I’m forty and I just can’t forgive it for that. For taking something so beautiful away from me with its dogma.

@@MPM_News yeah that is quite sad especially coming from that type of conservative background where music is hated like that. But those are all hadith cultural issues of the people. From a purely quranic pov on its history a critical approach naturally cant accept miracles and people like moses abraham theres no evidence they existed. The quran is assumed to be perfect with no errors. So a historical approach causes alot of problems for that claim.

How sure you being destroy ??​@@MPM_News

@@eijakhajat8782 i don't understand

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The Bible tickles him silly

he laughs at the absurdity of the bible and the quran

He fears for his life with every word.

@MuftiMasala - He is a happy, easy-going person. ^_^

Great suggestion! 👍

I think that's because Buddhism doesn't have a holy book that's why it is more appealing to people. Buddhism is a philosophy. However it doesn't take anything away from the fact that Buddha is possibly a myth.

I have a hard time getting Into esoterica. I know he has great topics but I can never get past the first 10 minutes of his videos without getting bored 😴

@@MuktiArno Another great channel is Centre Place, I just ran across. Right now I’m watching a series on the Canaanite religion and it’s impact on Yahweh

Look, it was a special snake.

Bless your heart

Lol

Not difficult for a God that can create from nothing

What is your epistemic standard to know that talking snakes can't exist? How could you _know_ a snake couldn't talk? You take this as a belief, not knowledge. You put your faith in the science of man, while I put my faith in the word of God. I'm kidding of course. 😉

Also, actual knowledge destroys religion.

He is not being honest

Yet atheism built O civilizations shows man needed God to send objective Iaws and signs to help recognize, & Islam is the preserved finaI faith predicted in major scriptures like bibIe and vedas. Humanity in whole proves Islam true, so we se Allah is Merciful, Just & All Wise. We learn more in Quran. This is just the past. As well as history signs like Quran corrects bibIe Josef spoke to a king, not firaun and rosetta agrees, many signs of the Iast day coming to fruition. Roam beat lran as Quran predicted. Umar would beat Both in hadith. PIague of Amwas. In Recent times competition of building tallest building by Arabs, this happenned suddenly due to oiI. Hadith said Arabia would green again, key word again as oil shows it was green before and it's greening now, a duaI sign.

Keep replies on topic.

@@911amossadvanbomberplotaip9 you don’t dictate this comment section and also you keep leaving the exact same comment 💆🏽‍♀️

Over a quarter million.

lambo life

@@miltonbates6425not quite. He has to get to 250K for that, which means he needs 20K more. What’s so incredible remarkable, is that he just hit 100K last year!

​@@CharlesPayet He was at 250k this morning. Very odd.

RU-vid stats are weird. You can have a vid that is showing hundreds of thousands of views, and then an hour later it will show thousands less

Pure

We are farmers!

Yet atheism built O civilizations shows man needed God to send objective Iaws and signs to help recognize, & Islam is the preserved finaI faith predicted in major scriptures like bibIe and vedas. Humanity in whole proves Islam true, so we se Allah is Merciful, Just & All Wise. We learn more in Quran. This is just the past. As well as history signs like Quran corrects bibIe Josef spoke to a king, not firaun and rosetta agrees, many signs of the Iast day coming to fruition. Roam beat lran as Quran predicted. Umar would beat Both in hadith. PIague of Amwas. In Recent times competition of building tallest building by Arabs, this happenned suddenly due to oiI. Hadith said Arabia would green again, key word again as oil shows it was green before and it's greening now, a duaI sign.

Reply to points, not personal posts.

@@911amossadvanbomberplotaip9 again you don’t dictate this comment section…And you have left the exact same comment on a different post so maybe you should try to stay on topic and stop telling people what to do thank you have a good day

@@pragmaticcrystal I dictating to you before, you have the myths & I have evidence, so maybe you should listen to me, unless you know I'm right but don't want to expose it.

Ppl think with their hearts but work is based on the head and know atheism built O civilizations, so naturally God is reaI, truth builds, not a moraI vacum.

Jafed went after his opponents kids in a debate, he is not good.

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Lots of civilizations were built by worshipping many gods (indeed, much older civilizations than either Christendom or Islam - if we want to classify those as neatly labeled civilizations), like ancient Egypt and China. and even systematically sacrificing your own children like Carthage, Meso-American cultures, etc so what's your argument there?

Sometimes I think why would God make us guilt trip like this man??😢 Having to justify each and every day about the morality of God and doubt ourselves. Does God really punish us for using our common sense?

​@@CristianoRonaldo-li9guWhat I believe is religion is a man made construct to train / control the masses via a 3rd party (God). If something really bad happens then the masses can't blame the Priests / leaders who didn't see it coming while still maintaining their power. Man Gods and priest tended to die at the hands of their populations before that invention if such an event happened. It's pretty clever actually but deception none the less. For what ever reason truth doesn't work on 1/2 the population, they prefer feel good fiction instead. It's who we are as evolving primates. ✌️

It's man made for sure. But it's a complicated man made series of stories of which parts are true. Yet some parts are obscure. It's fun discovering it all

@@MuktiArno I love islam man. Can't leave it. Also Christianity makes sense as well except the trinity and original sin nonsense. If jesus was just a messenger I could accept Christianity. If it's all man made why do billions believe it tho??

Well in the Quran God says if you don’t believe that the verses in the Quran are from us than gather all of the humans and produce a verse like that of the Quran and you will never be able to do it than fear the hell fire Quran 2 verse 23

@PinkDevilFish - I am a happy Former Mormon, too. Though before I heard of Dr Ehrman. He probably would have been very helpful to me. As it was, I had to go it alone. But I made it. When I finally admitted atheism to my brother, he told me he had adopted atheism, too. We danced!

@@MossyMozart congrats! I love hearing when others were able to get out.

You may find Dan McClelland channel useful also

I'm happy to hear that you were able to get out of the Mormon Church. I always felt weird about that Church even as a child. To be honest Joseph Smith was a traveling salesman and a lot of people bought into his product. Joseph Smith failed the test of the prophet. He prophesied that he would build the Mormon Church in Missouri, within a year of announcing that prophecy the Mormons were ran out of Missouri, his prophecy never came to pass, this should have been a tell tale sign to all who were following him, if they truly believed in the Bible.

​@@Rbee2469 Abu Zachariah criticized mormons very well too.

Well said

Well put

Well fed

Muslims who sincerely follow the teachings of the Quran don't lie. Lying is a sin unless it's a matter of life and death or it's to fool an enemy in war. However official treaty or covenant must be uphold unless the other party breaks it.

@@mohamadromzee7394 it's always war

It’s ok to be open minded, research and investigate. God gave you intelligence, use it.

@@Natalie-fj7fs hence my comment.

When money is involved, there will be little sincerity.

That's what Qur'an says "come to the common terms "

Yet atheism built O civilizations shows man needed God to send objective Iaws and signs to help recognize, & Islam is the preserved finaI faith predicted in major scriptures like bibIe and vedas. Humanity in whole proves Islam true, so we se Allah is Merciful, Just & All Wise. We learn more in Quran. This is just the past. As well as history signs like Quran corrects bibIe Josef spoke to a king, not firaun and rosetta agrees, many signs of the Iast day coming to fruition. Roam beat lran as Quran predicted. Umar would beat Both in hadith. PIague of Amwas. In Recent times competition of building tallest building by Arabs, this happenned suddenly due to oiI. Hadith said Arabia would green again, key word again as oil shows it was green before and it's greening now, a duaI sign.

​@@afzalshahid3884 That is starting point. Then teach truth of Islam as others contradict. Quran 4.82.

@@911amossadvanbomberplotaip9 I agree brother. I am doing my best to preach Islam by giving out the Quran, thru my writings. One of my 1st book is under the way of publication. Plus, people should watch or listen to learned people such as the host of One Message Foundation. Second I congratulate all the atheists that they are HALF or partial Muslims by saying "There are no gods" which is the 1st portion of the Islamic testimony, all they need to know that Allah is only to be worshiped, who is the creator of all.

If you hear the like of this javid, no wonder.... Thanks God for Islam

@@Kassalawy56789were you born into a Muslim family?

Ex Muslim? That's a tragedy! Feel sorry for u. May Allah guide u.

@@afzalshahid3884 may Allah misguide you habibi 🤲

​@@afzalshahid3884he's the smart one.

@@thenun1846 May - who understood the Heart / the Core of Qur’aan (Allaah’s creation / evolution) without a miss - YOU guide yourself into the ones who inherit everlasting this very earth!

@@afzalshahid3884 Why are you feeling sorry for someone who knowingly with pride declared his own enmity to himself as if he were the owner of his own body?!

Jafed was exposed as very dishonest in his debates going after his opponents kids.

If you need some hard stuff about the origin of the quran read Lüling: A Challenge to Islam for Reformation.

I was about to ask, does he believe in the Quran...???? And then to say that the bible doesn't have problems?? Forget about what Christians says about the bible what about what the Quran say about the previous revelations????

@@Kassalawy56789 he confuses me a lot he says certain verses are borrowed from other scriptures, the Quran doesn’t really understand the trinity but at the same it does, like what? And he believes there are certain legends and myths in the Quran. I will have to watch his course with Bart Ehrman but Javad’s “scholarly expertise” is really overhyped, plus he hasn’t published anything yet. I even doubt he can quote the Quran in Arabic fluently and SUPER highly doubt he can access the hadith and scholarly traditions in Arabic only 🤷🏾‍♂️

The oral tradition is stronger than the use of the mushaf. The mushaf is just an additional tool for the preservation of the Quran. Even if you know modern Arabic you will not be able to recite it correctly without oral teaching of a teacher. We don't really know how an englishmen in the 10th century speaks unless there is an audio recording which we know does not exist.

@@mohamadromzee7394 we do know that actually.

​@@mohamadromzee7394orientalists don't give any credence to oral history.

​@@siddified Do we? From the writings and documents right?

Why do you all seem so fragile? Do you have any idea how that looks from someone on the outside? It sounds like "I will character-assassinate (not to mention approve of/justify/ignore his actual assassination if he goes too far) this guy to no end because I am SOOO convinced of the traditonal narrative and apparatus my scholars who have had a vested interested in this from the beginning have told me". If you want to stick to your traditionalist guns, that's fine, but just say "I disagree with Dr Hashmi's approach and conclusions and if necessary say reason X Y Z". This is not normal behavior for anyone. This is some of the most extreme cult behavior out there, and 99,9% of Muslims do it, from the most fanatical Salafis to Sufi dancers, if confronted with this situation.

Without being an adhominem attack against Jawad, in a debate with Daniel haqiatju, he was asked by daniel to recite a short chapter of the Quran and Jawad refused to do so. This denounces an issue with his arabic. To be able to practrice Textual criticism or study from a historical point of view of the Quran, it requires to have an advanced knowledge of Arabic.

@@TheMuslimJesus agreed, as any other scholars of religion. In example, in Christianity and Judaism scholars should have that amount of knowledge in Hebrew and the old greek language to understand the biblical texts. Honestly it was my first time to see this Jawad and nothing new.

@@TheMuslimJesus Read G. Lüling "A Challenge to Islam for Reformation" for christian source material for early meccan surahs.

​@@TheMuslimJesusI have hardly seen Javad recite the Quran, the hadiths or any classical Islamic scholarly traditions in Arabic. In traditional Islamic scholarship YOU BETTER know the Arabic language AMAZINGLY WELL to be at least considered a "student of knowledge" not even Scholar yet haha. So I highly doubt Javad knows Arabic fluently let alone reciting the Quran correctly

We need more sceptics and people that refute religion. There are so many harmful things in religion. Without religion, life becomes so much more valuable. Less suicide bombers that love death more than life.

Is that the guy who questioned w vv 2? Is that allowed now?

In what language

Repeated topics with repeated approach

no he didn't, he ran away from him all the debate

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent

Lmao by that verse Jesus is a prophet and received a book 🤦🏾‍♂️😂. I swear I don't know if you are trolling or not

Who

​@@Randomuuzv Probably mythicists

Moravians? Mennonites? Mongolian shamanism? Manx paganism? Magic?

Minions

Methodist?

Does one need another reason? GO HEELS! 😎😁

I guarentee you have never read the Quran.

@@redx11x Or, you don't know as much as you think. It is the definition of arrogance to assume things about someone you never met, have had no interaction with, and cannot know anything about. I do not claim to be any kind of religious expert, but the stories are not about "God", they are about the events mankind endured, and survived. Stories about the events are told to children, but adults shy away, without understanding, or even considering, why. I read the Koran first in 1965, when I was trying to teach myself Arabic, trying to associate the English translation with the written Arabic. I gave it up, in the end, because there were no such things as "language tapes". Arabic was too different from everything I knew to surmount not being able to hear the words. I went on to learn seven languages, though, from Spanish and Latin, to French, German, Italian, and VietNamese (English makes it seven) I read enough, and, it doesn't matter, because many, if not most, of the same books used in the Old Testament of Christian Bibles, are found in the Koran, making the story they present far more significant than currently believed. It was this utility that attracted me, a set of stories common to three divergent "belief" systems. It's almost as if God is SMARTER than Man, and realized His creation was so wrong-headed, not everyone would accept the SAME set of guidelines. The Koran was created last, of the great religions (their terms, not mine), almost 1,500 years AFTER the last of the sequence of events outlined in the Jewish Bible, the Tanakh, and used in Christian Bibles as the Old Testament, and in the Koran. That is history, agreed upon by almost everybody, but no one has "heard" from, or seen, God, in the three millennia since the last example cited in those "Bible stories", probably II Isaiah, although not identified as such. When stripped of religiosity, they tell a dramatic story, one we are intimately familiar with, because these wildly unbelievable events were also the basis for ALL mythology, legendary feats, and whispered lore passed down by initiates who passed on important information to groups of survivors. The stories are survivor tales, deserving of respect and admiration, for their rigors. That's the truth you won't find in any of those books, because religion, regardless of what name you call God, is Big Business. Where else can the uneducated get a job with no experience, simply by "interpreting" the Word of God. Where else can someone be an "expert" in what an "invisible friend" says, or means by saying, without having any contact with that being? God said to tell you that, by the way. I don't think He's very impressed with any humans, regardless of how, or when, they claim to "worship" Him. More ugliness, killing, and destruction has been done "in the name of God", than all other reasons! It's hard to imagine any God being happy with the state of the world, and Muslims are as guilty of that as anyone. Christians have a long history of evil, on their own, and, truly, as it says, "Man is born of sin", we cannot escape it, except by hard effort and constant reminding. At any rate, SOMETHING happened, mostly in the 2nd Millennium BC, that CONVINCED humans an "extraterrestrial" being had it in for human beings. ALL "modern" religions got their start in the 12th Century BC, when Zoroaster (Zarathrustra) started his religion, and the Jews became monotheistic, leading, inevitably, to Christians and Muslims. Akhenaten probably lived in that time, too, out-of-place by Egyptologists, who've done worse. Our common ancient past is a chaotic mess, mostly due to the inabilities and misunderstandings of the earliest investigators, a problem that has only intensified over the centuries since those naive diggers first turned a spade.

@@TheAnarchitek as i stated, i guarentee you have never read the Quran.

@@redx11x Got any money to lose?

@@TheAnarchitek not much, I'm in a very tight situation right now.

Why

So God is against knowledge and independent thinking. Got it.

I think Bart is smarter than to choose someone unfit for the job…

​@@muwahh1d1 it's hard to find Muslims that want to listen to or subscribe to criticism of the Quran.

@@muwahh1d1 As bart said i know nothing of the Quran, he may have no choice.

He want make a name for himself by debating Bart....!!!! Cheap shot

Fundie Christianity is a rebellion against the historical critical method. So I don’t think it is unique to Islam.

@@matthewkopp2391 True, but Islam is like that multiplied 100 fold. It's not just far more widespread among laymen and elites, but their reaction is often vicious, not just silencing people by threats but often actually killing them if they go too far. There hasnt been anything like that for Christianity, with perhaps a handful of exceptions, since what, the 17th or 18th century? And in Judaism perhaps for 2000 years (assuming the sanhedrin ever did that at all, i'm no expert)

@@nonomnismoriar9051 Emir Kahane disagrees ...

@@isaamer194 Meir Kahane? I didnt say there werent Jewish terrorists or extremists I was talking specifically about reactions to criticism. As far as I know he didnt threaten or kill any scholars who studied Judaism or whp were digging ruins in the land who disagreed with vital claims for his particular interpretation of zionism ("Joshua our ancestor conquered the land more than 3000 years ago... David was a great king who ruled a large empire" etc... And he had plenty of opportunity to do so.

@@nonomnismoriar9051 Iearn who Ernst Zundel is Or allow me to intro me.

You get an award for mostly avoiding insults, and for avoiding character assassinations and threats. Congratulations, you already belong to a minority (sadly) of Muslims when it comes to reactions to things they find threatening.

Congrats for avoiding engaging with my arguments. Instead you go to adhominem attacks. Muslim are not afraid of discussing the transmission of the Quran. What is your take on my arguments???

@@TheMuslimJesus I dont want to I dont know enough about that so I just grant the Qurans preservation for the sake of argument. The issue however is so much more important than that, its to be able to discuss this or any other topic without insults, innuendo or threats. And looking at most of your fellow Muslims in the comments here I was genuinely congratulating your comment for being civilized.

@@nonomnismoriar9051 I apologize for misunderstanding your comment. The reaction of fellow Muslims is a natural response when they feel their beliefs are threatened. However, such reactions often stem from a lack of understanding of the subject. I encourage my brothers and sisters to deepen their knowledge of our religion and refrain from engaging in topics they may not fully comprehend, as this can be detrimental both to themselves and to the image of Islam. I kindly invite you to read the Quran and form your own opinion on it. I would be happy to provide you with an English translation of the Quran if you're interested.

​@@TheMuslimJesusanother Moslems who cannot handle truth, most part of world recite same Qur'an because current Qur'an was cannoinsed in 1924 in Cairo Egypt, before that there were fights among moslems because of different recitation, coz of multiple Qur'an found throughout the world, Qur'an was never "perfectly preserved" as Moslems brags about, after finalisation of current Qur'an it was given printed in Saudi at time of king fahd and was distributed to all the pilgrims comming to Mecca, still there are more then 30 versions of Quran which are found with which doesn't even matches each other

virgin birth is a perfect example too.

@@nonomnismoriar9051 Oregen said Abbysinian xtns follow virgin birth. Its similar to Adam & Eve.

I am confidant i saw 0ld testament verses on heI. Also Quran corrects not copies bibIe. Josef spoke to a king, not a firaun like bible says and rosetta Iost for tjousands of years agrees with Quran.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 I found only one very ambiguous verse in the Old Testament that mentioned corpses with maggots and an unquenchable inner fire. Something that could be interpreted so many different ways. No mention of Subterranean torture Chambers or lakes of fire. Those come from very questionable New Testament bible books such as Revelations. These corruptions found their way into the Quran to serve the same purpose by terrifying people into conversion.

​@@DHOP-tm2ch You didn't reply to point verified by history. Quran fixes bibIe not copies as Quran says Josef spoke to a King not firaun like bibIe says and Rosetta confirms.

How's that

You might as well say the grass eater saved the grass.

Yet atheism built O civilizations shows man needed God to send objective Iaws and signs to help recognize, & Islam is the preserved finaI faith predicted in major scriptures like bibIe and vedas. Humanity in whole proves Islam true, so we se Allah is Merciful, Just & All Wise. We learn more in Quran. This is just the past. As well as history signs like Quran corrects bibIe Josef spoke to a king, not firaun and rosetta agrees, many signs of the Iast day coming to fruition. Roam beat lran as Quran predicted. Umar would beat Both in hadith. PIague of Amwas. In Recent times competition of building tallest building by Arabs, this happenned suddenly due to oiI. Hadith said Arabia would green again, key word again as oil shows it was green before and it's greening now, a duaI sign.

We were given ability to recognize truth. Atheism buiIt O civilizations and truth buiIds. Gr0w up.

@@911amossadvanbomberplotaip9 "We were given ability to recognize truth" To recognize truthes like that rivers flow downstream, that razor sharp teeth can rip flesh from you or that Earth is an oblate spheroid revolving around the sun got selected to surive. That invisible, immortal brain organ lacking thinkers called deities such as "Allah" shall exist is not part of any truth - it is an invention so that people can have the vague hope that their life is not mortal and finite, while it is.

Lmao typical edge lord internet atheist argument 😂. I thought we were done with 15 year old edge lord atheist arguments 😂

@@MohamedShou Declaring an argument without addressing it "edgelordi" or any other slurterm is not making the argument disappear. You seem to be just emotionally annoyed that a more logical world where a deity is an actual competent info giver is not in accordance with the actual reality we experience. So you have the idea that the world must be as it is but it must also contain Allah by default/dogma and you just dismiss the argument with an insult try, so the valid argument a person brings up that takes the info efficiency into focus of discussion shall be dismissed in your opinion, because you might have the wrong feelings that the world just must be as it is with alllah it just must be must be must be in pure desperation cries. This type of acting is not going to work as the valid argument does not just magically disappear by being desperate behind a facade of arrogance or any fake emoticons. ;-) It is even double funny as Islam basically teaches that humans must have corrupted previous revelation texts like the indschil/injil book or the texts of the jewish people to set the true revelation "straight again" with the final Qur'an, while it also collapses yet again as there are in fact different Qur'an versions Muslims usually deny while they are in museums. Even when they also invented stories that some Qur'an verses like the stoning verse have been eaten by a goat as admitted info corruption once more is just nodded as well in those telltales.

@@911amossadvanbomberplotaip9 Lots of civilizations were built by worshipping many gods (indeed, much older civilizations than either Christendom or Islam - if we want to classify those as neatly labeled civilizations), like ancient Egypt and China. and even systematically sacrificing your own children like Carthage, Meso-American cultures, etc so what's your argument there?

That's a question ask yourself

''Avada Kedavra'' - Harry Potter

The flying horse is a rather typical shamanic motive.

@@amuthi1 People will make up similar stuff, true....

There are more than that in your book....!!!

@@Kassalawy56789 I don't believe in the bible.

You're contradicting yourself. Do You want to hear valid criticism or do you want to hear pro Islamic apologetics?

@@siddified I want to know, not sow resentment.

A good critical position on the Quran is that it was a mere vehicle for Muhammad's ambitions. Even Aisha alluded to this.

​@@siddifiedand what was his ambitions? To reject the riches of this world and to give to the poor. To look after the orphan and the destitute. To free the slave and forgive his enemies. What exactly was his Misson according to you

​@@PKowalski2009take the Quran and get a copy of something called the Seerah. The Seerah is the life of vProphet Muhammed. As the Quran was revealed throughout his life, it is reflected in the seerah There are few out there just type up seerah. You can pick it up for free or listen to any youtube video. Its detailed.

How so? From the Christian side, yeah, from the Muslim side, he'll probably use some of the critical material. Besides, he deals with traditionalist Islam, in at least quite a few vital points, very well. Not because he's a genius, but he's just dug up good arguments in some cases, this is undeniable. So you're saying that if more Muslims take a nuanced view on stuff like the credibility of Aisha's age ahadith and so on this will make DW's counterapologetics/polemics less successful? I mean yeah, but his main target is traditionalist Islam, and one could argue that the concessions on the unreliability of ahadith is already somewhat of a problem of its own for "critical" Islam/liberal Islam, whatever you want to call it. Certainly of a lesser magnitude than the problems traditionalist Islam is faced with, but still.

@@nonomnismoriar9051 DW main arguments against Islam are stuff like "legends in the Quran" and "variants of the Quran" "the Quran confirms but contradicts the bible" while ignoring that the Bible does contain legends, variants, interpolations (quran doesnt have) and that the bible itself contradicts itself ... like so what if the Quran contradicts it if the main "source" is already in contradiction ? And just like he has a theological justification for them the Muslims also do. For the Aisha thing DW himself admitted in the debate he had with Uthman ibn Farooq that it doesn't discredit the veracity of Islam, so he doesn't use it as an argument he is just trolling Muslims with.

Till this day the biblical prophecies are coming to pass look at the nation of Israel and the nations of Islam it tells it all. Keep rejecting the word of God the day will come when God will reject you.

@@angelgoindoo4518 Tel aveev represents rev 2.9 & 3.9, & they Iost the sanai. Only one rejecting God is you.

The Quran has been changed a lot

@@user-lj9zq4dr5t never, it's God's last and final and only preserved scripture Share your facts

@@lilanc4303 The Quran was changed many times, the 7 ahruf and qiraat show it.

​@@user-lj9zq4dr5tIt hasn't been changed, you're just spreading nonsense, yes we all know about Uthman, but that's not what you and other Islamophobes described, it hasn't been corrupted and changed like the Bible

@@gogurma7609 The Quran was changed many times and it can be shown when you compare two different Qurans like hafs and warsh.

You mean the idea the our reality & existence was just a mere coincidence from floating stardust?…Yeah, I agree. Atheism is pretty superstitious.

Jacob was not a jew ... the name JEW was a much later invention...

@@isaamer194 The descendants of Jacob/Israel, were called Jews from their "religion" that was called Judaism, after the "people " who practiced them, generally more known as Judeans. Probably they started to be shortly called the "Juds". And most people today know that Jews are Israelites, descendants of Jacob/Israel.

Yea... Jews also agree that the God of Abraham is who Muslims worship. In fact Kaba is the legacy of prophet Abraham. He and his son built it. And Jewish sources claim that prophet Moses made a pilgrimage to Kaba. 💯☑️☑️☑️

@@0786AHA The succeeding generations after David seemed to have doubted that their God is the only true God, for they were manipulated and convinced to worship other gods which caused God to allow His people to be overcome by her enemies and be exiled from the land He gave them. And Jesus/Yeshua's name and His miracles must have already been known among the Arab nations that they cannot do away with Him. Not sure though if the idea that Jesus was not crucified was an intended lie, or the fact that many saw Him alive and ascended to heaven (the resurrected) seemed to contradict that He died. And it seemed some Jews themselves misinterpreted their Torah regarding Jesus who regarded Jesus as nothing more than just a blasphemer, but the Arabs regarded as a prophet. Which should have more weight then? God's word?, or the understanding of the Jews?

@@0786AHA Just a sudden thought, I wonder how can there be a "reliable" source of information for the Jews about the Kaaba being a legacy of Abraham, considering the Israelites who entered the "promised land" were in Egypt for 400 years, Genesis 15:13.

Nonsense and the lamest apologetic ever. It was written in ancient classical Arabic which can't even be fully translated into modern standard Arabic.

​@siddified "It was written in ancient classical Arabic which can't be fully translated into modern standard Arabic." Perhaps you meant to say into dialectic commonly spoken Arabic. In any case, the difference of classical ᶜArabic and modern standard ᶜArabic is not of that great, and anyone who can understand modern standard ᶜArabic can fully understand the Qur’aanic ᶜArabic!

I said its translation in persain language read what I said

There not even one quran translated correctly. Please check

The word Muhammad in the Quran is used as an adjective FOR the Quran NOT as the name of the prophet. Muhammad means praiseworthy. Allah is saying that the Quran IS Muhammad meaning it's praiseworthy Allah says , follow Muhammad ( The praiseworthy Quran ) to follow Me Attiu Allah Wa Atti ur Rasool, Obey Allah and obey the message C the Quran )-

Myth at one time simply meant traditional stories, it later took on the meaning of “lie” or “untrue story” but that was relatively recent around 1840.

@@matthewkopp2391 Even the ancients could very well differentiate true stories from fantastical tales of fiction, however, even when the tales weren't presented as such, as is the case here. Just read Lucian.

The Quran you have today was written by Uthman's scribes. It's not the absolute truth, it's just a book and nothing more.

@@user-lj9zq4dr5t Thanks, man, for the strong addition, but what does your comment have to do with mine?

Why do you all seem so fragile? Do you have any idea how that looks from someone on the outside? It sounds like "I will character-assassinate (not to mention approve of/justify/ignore his actual assassination if he goes too far) this guy to no end because I am SOOO convinced of the traditonal narrative and apparatus my scholars who have had a vested interested in this from the beginning have told me". If you want to stick to your traditionalist guns, that's fine, but just say "I disagree with Dr Hashmi's approach and conclusions and if necessary say reason X Y Z". This is not normal behavior for anyone. This is some of the most extreme cult behavior out there, and 99,9% of Muslims do it, from the most fanatical Salafis to Sufi dancers, if confronted with this situation.