History Buffs: Thirteen Days 

it really does sum up how indirect the lines of communication get.

Its like "military intelligence, thats a goddamm contradiction in terms" Hunt for Red Octobert

Hmm that just reminded me of the problems that the crew of Apollo 1 had, sitting on the launch pad during the fire and couldn't get to them in time.

Operation Ortsac 😂😂

@@tenofprime just recently happened again - China refused to pick up the hotline when the balloon was over US

Darn

Amazing ! This reminds of how one of Stauffenberg’s relatives plays a character in Walkyrie.

@@cosmedelustrac5842 another excellent movie, imo.

I thought he looked a bit like Peter Lawford

@@cosmedelustrac5842 Yep. "Philipp von Schulthess, who plays Tresckow's aide in this movie, is the grandson of Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg."

buddy of mine spent the whole time on a troop ship in Georgia getting ready to go...[82nd Airborne]...little did he know what was waiting for him...[tactical nukes]

Unfortunately, "entertainment" is how most get their history now. The whole in-space argument in "Apollo 13" NEVER HAPPENED, and does a disservice to both Fred Haise and Jack Swigert. Tom Hanks objected, but Ron Howard added it for "dramatic tension" (as if the true story wasn't tense enough. And I remember when the mission happened).

Was the class perhaps called " Nukes N' Commies' "? I am seriously asking.

this is one of my fave movies, i'm surprised that it didn't win or at least get nominated for awards. Excellent acting from everyone.

As bad as history teachers are how would they know what to change 😅

Wow now that you said it, he does look like Lawford

Damn that is top notch tidbits :)

That's straight out from the JFK Library advert. (Hi to those who grew up in MA.)

Everybody knows that.

@@colinschaeffer3940 yes, I'm sure it's common knowledge.

Not anymore it's not. But once upon a time it was. PT109. Was even a movie

She got knocked up by Kennedy 💀

@@haddock434 Real funny dude

Damn, my great grandfather fought in World War 1 for the German Imperial Army

@@thegerman662 my great grandfather fought for the Imperial German Army too and was later conscripted into the Wehrmacht. I believe he was stationed in Italy.

What would a broad have to contribute to the U2 program? Did she make sandwiches and tea for the pilots and ground crews?

Even closer when KGB agent Lee Oswald shot JFK 🕊

Not really. There would have been some dozens of cities and military areas destroyed. But far from a world annilation 😆 Back in the early 1960s there was much less nukes. And most of them had capacity to destroy some neibourhoods or cities. It didnt have country destruction abilities

Had some family on intel side during this, they still can’t/won’t talk about it but they always said “we came so much closer to the bombs going off than the public will ever truly know”

@@kxkxkxkx is that why old man Marcelo of the New Orleans mob all but admitted to aiding in jfks assassination and why so much odd stuff like the guy who assassinated Oswald just so happen to work with the mob and be terminally sick also just so happened to be there that day? Gee golly Iam sure it was the kgb and one lone gunmen.

@@mathewvanostin7118 you sound like the generals in doctor strange love. Come on I’ll give you a cig and you can tell us you can walk. Or I can make you answer to the Coca-Cola company about your pre-vert conspiracies.

I've always admired Adlai Stevenson based on the way he's portrayed in the movie, and other retellings of the Cuban Missile Crisis. I know he had much more of a career either side of that, but wish I knew more.

@@valerynorth The brief summary: He was a key part of creating the United Nations. He spent the 1950's fighting corruption as governor of Illinois. And he was the Democratic nominee for president in 1952 and 1956. He had divorced my great-aunt by the time he ran for president, though. He met my grandmother socially at one point, and she had good things to say about him.

He was an egghead, which is the next best thing.

My thoughts exactly. I hated it when I saw tons of comments on other videos about the Crisis saying Stevenson was a "cowardly traitor" and that sort of thing. The job of everyone involved in the Crisis was to try and come up with options to resolve the situation, and devising and voicing a very different option from everyone else was courage, not cowardice. A deal of some kind was going to be necessary eventually, whether to avoid an armed clash or stop one if it started. Stevenson's initial idea wasn't feasible at the time he made it, but it did turn out to be the framework for the deal that was eventually struck.

Adlai Stevenson was a very principled man. In 1956 the KGB contacted his campaign office. They wanted to assist him in the upcoming election, seeing that they had much more in common with liberals than conservatives. They wanted Stevenson to be President. Shades of 2016, essentially. Stevenson not only rejected the KGB's proposal, he went and told Eisenhauer about it. Sure, he wanted to be President, but not that badly. Accepting help from the Russians was a bridge too far.

Months? It feels like years...

Quality > Quantity

it always feels like a special ocasion

@@leftcoaster67 True

100% top notch stuff.. everytime👌👌

Under Stalin the whole politburo were shit faced drunk all the time

Oh, you're not kidding. We have a Soviet missile man who was relegated to a gulag for failing to launch when he correctly suspected the bogey was the reflection of the Sun and not a surprise attack. They vilified and punished this man for saving the world. 🤔🤨🙄😳 💩🧠🧠🧠🧠

You haven't heard of Operation Able Archer? Please look it up. People are not knowledgeable about many incidents that happened during the Cold War. We were saved by a Soviet officer who decided not to launch on us in West Germany which would have been a nightmare.

This occured in 1983 right?

@@terranceaddison4599Yes!

My father was a tank crew member in at that time socialist Czechoslovakia at that time. Our armies were in full combat readyness as well.

And Stanislav Petrov as well.

It's CRIMINAL to ignore this event. It was THE EVENT.

It's quite sad that he is one of the very, VERY few men who could legitimately claim to have saved the world, and barely anyone knows about him.

@@matthewcory4733 it was only discovered in 2002, 2 years after this film was released.

@@inigobantok1579 You are entirely incorrect. See: Vice-Admiral Vasili Arkhipov. Presentation at the Conference on the Cuban Missile Crisis, October 14, 1997, Moscow from the National Security Archive.

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Excellent point !

Nixon actually loved the taping system and he used it to record everyone! The problem is that he also recorded himself, not smart!

I mean,Kennedy started the war in Vietnam... which didnt end well.

@@eval_is_evil one could argue it started with Eisenhower…

Lies

yeah doubtful...they had orders to bring those subs to the surface by dropping grenades...pretty aggressive behavior that almost ended in disaster....@@mothertrucker341

​@@mothertrucker341Proof?

You must be cuban😂

well said

That would also make it more stressful, as you want to make damn sure your messages sent and received are clear and accurate, with no confussion, as a lot was in the ballance.

I'm sorry that he had to endure that stress. It didn't have to be that way but JFK was incompetent

@@TheDrewThornton I'm quite sure you would have done much better.

"in the blockade." lol

@@TheDrewThornton Exactly HOW was JFK "incompetent"? If not for JFK and RFK, the world would have been destroyed. JFK refused the advice of ALL his advisors (except Brother Bobby) to invade Cuba. What no American knew was that the Russians had Tactical Nuclear Weapons in Cuba (under 15 KiloTons) as well as Strategic Nukes (over 300 KT) In the event of an American invasion, the Soviet Commander in Cuba did NOT have to ask Moscow's permission to use a Tactical Nuke on any invading American force on the Cuban Beaches. (But he DID need Moscow's OK to launch Strategic Nukes against American Cities.) JFK said that ANY missile attack launched from Cuba would result in an American Nuclear attack on the USSR. But what if we invaded Cuba and 100,000 Americans died from a Soviet Tactical Nuke on Cuban soil? The USA would have been in a tough position!

And I love you Dr. Virus 129

He takes it new extends tho a video every few months but the video is probably content that should behind a pay wall it is that good

I bet the odds are that in most other universes we'd be living in something akin to Fallout right now.

Quite right

One of the surest ways comes down to, if it hadn't been Kennedy that won the presidential election. Had the 'Bay of Pigs" actually gone through, that president would have followed Lemay and the other Joint Chiefs and would have led to nuclear war. If we would have made it through that without such escalation, the different president (given the same scenario as depicted in this movie) again would have followed the determination of those Joint Chiefs who were absolutely driven to confront the enemy - some even hungering for it to become a conflict where they would get to use ALL of their toys. They would often suggest that, bombs, missiles, ships, planes, troops that aren't being used are being shamefully wasted. Kennedy was so hated by them because he wouldn't let them do what they had designed their entire lives to do - - - make war in whatever way is needed to win. Even when you have to convince yourself that winning an unwinnable was is in any way possible.

*The numbers Mason what do they mean*

Well, of course, there are no other universes. Kruschev and Kennedy are heroes.

Are your parents dutch? They teached you any dutch? Greetings from a dutch man!

@@bigkillerwhale1801Begroetingen! Yes, my parents were both Dutch. So, all my relatives were too. Yes, I did learn Dutch and was fluent in my younger years. We lived 2 1/2 years in Holland and 7 1/2 in England so we traveled back and forth a lot. Sadly, my Dutch has gotten a bit rusty as time has passed. So, I need to cheat a little and use Google translate at times to chat with relatives online and email. (my spoken was always better than written)

@@AnimalisMD Vey nice to hear!, i got some old relatives who also moved away after the WW2 to canada, a lot of dutch people went overseas in search for happines! as we dutch people say!; Houdoe he! ( see ya )

@@bigkillerwhale1801 tot ziens! 😄

yeah,..Berlin was the hole card the russians held over us all during the cold war....it was the trip wire@@AnimalisMD

Totally agree. It's such a small detail, bit that defyment of the order, (or challenge of the order), is one of the most important in modern history.

@@KArchine Something I sometimes NEED to remind myself; if it wasn't for Vasily; my parents would be gone & I & countless generations would never be! With Stanislav Petrov; that was in 1983 (a year before I was born) & once again I & countless others would be dead or left to rot in an irradiated horror! As tough & as difficult this world can be; these two were in their way the glimmering torches to a better tomorrow...

@@Metalisalearning77 100%

@@KArchine Well it was important decision, but there is a small detail about it. It wasn't a defying of order. On this video history buff also plays it both ways. First saying he defied, argued and calmed down the captain. Then that he overrode the captain. In both cases it was actually overruling. Since Arkhipov had no need for such drastics as defying orders. While not the captain of the submarine, Arkhipov was the ranking officer on board. Since while in roster of the ship he was second in command, he was the chief of staff of the home unit of the 3 submarines and the commander of the 3 submarine contingent sent to cuba. He was traveling along on one of the submarines to setup the flotilla head quarters in Cuba once they reached there. As such. He was the most senior both by rank and by chain of command. He was the captains boss. However the soviet submarine was so cramped there literally was no room for extra person. So anyone onboard had to be part of the vessels crew. Well as temporarily traveling staff officer, he couldn't exactly replace the submarines permanent captain. That would have been poor form. So he was the next best, the deputy captain by the ships taskings. However as the senior staff officer on-board in fact in command of the contingent. So he didn't argue down the captain. Instead since there was a flag officer on-board 3 people were needed to authorize the special weapons (nuclear warheads). Submarines captain, submarines chief political officer and the commander of the flotilla (Arkhipov). Arkhipov simply said "NO" and that was end of that. If Arkhipov was mere XO deputy captain, he would not have been needed to be consulted. Since normal authorization was 2 officers. Captain and political officer. 3 officers needed to authorize was specialty case under the Soviet Navy, incase "admiral was on-board". Since it would have been really weird the two lower ranked and chain of command people could decide such matter without the ranking officer on-board. To add more to it, Arkhipov was by then a hero of soviet submarine forces. Arkhipov had been executive officer (same subrole he was plain on this cuba submarine) on K19, which suffered reactor cooling accident. As such Arkhipov was both the ranking officer and a famous decorated one at that. There was no way the captain *could* defy Arkhipov. He could have relieved the captain of his duty as the commander of the 3 submarine flotilla. Instead the captain had lost his nerve, suggested using nukes and then get denied by superior officer on board. He calmed down. Not that it would have mattered, did or did he not calm down. He got denied by superior officer. Of course that circumstance rather curious and rare incidence on Submarine, but in this case understandable. They were effectively on their way to setup a new unit, deployment and base. The new units and base commander was travelling aboard. Just like say the flag ship of surface fleet has both the captain of the ship itself, but also is transporting the captains boss, the flotilla admiral. Just rarer on submarines. Even more muddled, by the flotilla admiral doing duties both as flotilla admiral and as XO (providing the second rotation of commanding officer, captain can't be awake 24/7). Since the submarine was so damn cramped there was no room for both the actual XO of the submarine and the flotilla admiral. Oh it should be clear by now it was bad bad idea to send cramped, not suited for tropical heat, arctic ocean diesel electric submarines to the Caribbean.

@Ari Takalo thank you for the details. Always interesting to learn more 😊.

And it's not the only time Culp played Bobby- I believe he also did in a Marilyn biopic...

@@OcarinaSapphr- him looking exactly like Bobby + he can act pretty much cornered him into that niche lol

I thought that Bruce Greenwood did a great job playing Captain Christopher Pike in Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness. I always cry when he dies in Star Trek Into Darkness.

He also portrayed McNamara in The Post, I believe.

@@mariakelly90210 Yeah that was also a excellent role for him.

I find The Missiles of October better than Thirteen Days. William Devane was outstanding as JFK.

I’m going to search for that movie. Thank you for the info

somebody's got to fill the void left by the history channel.....

Yeah, Steven Culp was good casting as RFK.

Fucking insanely good

The actor that played bundy was also spot on.

all that front page coverage...then about six months later, buried deep in the paper I found a little article saying the Us to remove its missiles from Turkey...did their best to downplay this.....

Bruce Greenwood is also a phenomenal actor. He always brings a gravitas to every role. I love when he plays the president.

Everybody knows that.

@@colinschaeffer3940 everybody?

@@colinschaeffer3940 I didn’t know that.

@@colinschaeffer3940 I didn't know that

Cool fact man didn't know that

Hard Agree!!!

As a retired nuclear worker (PNGS),Chernobyl is very well done. And factual. However,flatscreens did not exist in 1986. The only flaw.

@@marsazorean62 really accurate? Are you serious? In what way will U238 used in the reactor explode like a massive nuclear bomb is water hits it? If that was the case we would simply toss big rocks of it in lakes and coastal waters to blow up our enemies. The reactor was so full of dangerous radiation that the three workers sent into the core known as the Three Divers all survived and two are alive today with no lasting issues, (the third died of a heart attack). That show produced so much BS you could drag a plow over it and feed all of Ukraine for a decade with it. The damn place is a tourist attraction!!!

@@marsazorean62 also, what reactor and what type is it you worked on? I’ll give you a hint of my experience and if you were in the business you should be able to name my reactor. Ready, Deuterium Uranium, CANDU 1983 Reactor A shut down due to coolant leaks.

@@john-paulsilke893 PNGS 96 till 2017. WTFAU?

It's the little things..

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Please, it's well known that idiots will and did - several times - used russian jets promoting american jets and or military.

remember those 102's flying over my house...little did I know then what it had in its belly!......

he was lucky...as were we all...but it's probably one of the reasons they killed him later...he had few friends by that time....many in the military and other powerful positions felt he almosr got us all killed.....

If JFK couldn’t hype you up then no one could

KENNEDY CAUSED THE CRISIS TO BEGIN WITH. 😂😂😂 Jeez I hate how that's never covered. And he's celebrated to this day

He was also a producer of the film.

This is what i felt could've been the reasoning of having a person with a small role in reality given a bigger one in film. Not only the actor playing the character given a more central role for ego or something, but to give the audience a more digestible way to take in so much information or give them a more upfront seat to the emotions, stress, and decisions being made by so many people. Chernobyl is also what I thought of when Kenny was being discussed in the video.

I was 11 at the time. I can still recall the fear! I thank God that someone like Biden was not in charge!

@@khankrum1 I wonder what Trump would do in the same situation? I also wonder about any secret deals he swung that kept his presidency relatively conflict free. In 50 years we might find out he was as bad as the media claimed, or even more saintly than his fans claim. I suspect it’s somewhere in the middle. Bu I also know his administration went behind his back constantly and definitely got a taste for it and now a much weaker president has replaced him only emboldening those reckless bureaucrats.

We are closer now, look up the doomsday clock.

@@moesiatestecles1975that just proves how bs the clock is. Yes, tensions are very high with Russia atm. That does not mean it’s closer than it was back in the 60s. As the video states to the US, a preemptive all out attack was not only an option, but a favored one at a point in time. The Soviets almost used nuclear weapons against us and even gave the order to load up one of the torpedoes. We are nowhere near that level.

well it started with Kennedy's speech..about 70 guys crowded into our tv lounge....after it was over you could have heard a pin drop as they all left quietly...I remember thinking "well,..there goes my student deferment"....of course it got worse by the day....remember watching Stevenson stick it to the russians at the UN...my Dad liked that...but as you watched it play out you came to the realization that none of us may get out of this alive....you just had to accept that.......

That would be very interesting, that is one that is a bit inaccurate to be kind. I would also love to see one on the Alamo (2004)

Oh my god I would fucking love that

Can we not please

@@yamochanchan can we not what?

@Rusty Shackleford Thing is, he sent us all up into the mountains before the really serious stuff became public. We spent almost 3 weeks up in the Sierras, but I was too young to remember it.

my dad is Albert Einstien

@@wyattgeorge5124 apparently, the offspring of sex with his sister.

​@@wyattgeorge5124and my grandfather is Nikola Tesla.

at the time we had the Atlas and the Titans....all had to be raised up on the pad to fire them....somewhere in the middle of all this that's exactly what happened...seeing it and the photos of the B-52's being deployed all around the country was a bit chilling....we were close...

What did he mean by "the world looked into the pit?" Like, the pit being hell?

@@protonjones54 "the pit of despair" is a common phrase he would have been referring to. Nuclear apocalypse being the pit.

@@protonjones54 I never asked my Dad what he meant but, given his profession as a priest I strongly suspect that he meant something along the lines of "the pit" of the hell on earth that a nuclear war would've meant.

@@loungelizard3922 As per my reply to Doctor Jones above I think that he was referring to the pit of hell on earth that a nuclear war would've resulted in so you're pretty close.

My mother is currently 70, and so I should probably ask her what she remembers from that time. Thank you for your contribution and for reminding me to ask them stuff about their lives while they're still around.

Yep! Funnily enough, they look to be either modified F-8Js or F-8Hs, as I don't recall the RF-8A/G ever having the IRST bulb they're shown to have in the movie Edit: they're defininitely F-8Hs

Apparently they were in service at the time of filming with the Philippines Air Force, hence the scenes over Cuba were actually the Philippines, but filmed from aerial cameras on a lear jet(actually visible in a trailer) and the flying F-8s were CGI, though the taxi scenes were real.

I only just watched this like 10 days ago - because someone was talking about Kevin's accent. I think it honestly was so distracting that it took me out of it.

@Jamie Ross I'm not a fan or Bruce Greenwoods accent as JFK don't get me wrong he looks great as JFK but the accent could've been worked on

It was broadcast on tv here in Oz a while back. Seen it twice.

I have the DVD in a crate somewhere. I shall have to dig it out for a rewatch.

@@K1ng1995 He sounded like he was from GA at times!

Among others, the Australian RAAF provided 2,000 sorties during the airlift.

@@onthatrockhewillbuildhisch1510 sorry, did not know about the effort of the colonies in the airlift as well, I have adapted the comment accordingly.

Thanks for the mention mate! From Down Under

Q: How do you survive a thermonuclear war? A: Why would you want to?

@@jliller There wouldn't be much to survive for, that's for sure. My grandfather was a WW1 veteran. Maybe he had the "go out with your boots on" mentality, or survive as long as you can just to show 'em. Anything is better than just curling up and dying. I've come up with a saying; "Never give up. Always fight to the last. Whatever that last may be."

@@robertsandberg2246 "There wouldn't be much to survive for, that's for sure." Exactly. The rational response to a massive nuclear exchange is to kill oneself. Life on the other side of that war would not be worth living.

Soo... we're making meth in the bomb shelter right? Cuz I mean.. c'mon 🤷🏿‍♂️...like we could make soooo much meth..

@@KingOfHarlots86 That would make the end of the world a little more fun, not gonna lie!😜🤣👍 Not sure my grandparents, mom and aunts and uncle from 1962 would have had that on their minds though....🤔

I have another channel like this. It talks about the behind the scene drama of making movies

@@tylerdurden788 what's it called?

Not every Disney film maker now

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Not that I’m justifying America suggesting false flag ops, but America didn’t actually do that operation. Meanwhile, other nations have been doing them for literally hundreds of years. Russia engaged in dozens of them prior to their invasion of Ukraine. Again, not justifying any other acts by the American government.

@@michaelgoldstein8516 they did it a ligter versión on the Gulf of ton king

I think you can watch the movie broken into 17 parts on RU-vid, not sure if it is still active

@@andu1854 I think it was removed (if you're referring to the original). Luckily, I have the film on DVD. Howard DaSilva, who portrays Nikita Krushchev, does a great job, as does William DeVane (as JFK). In fact, the entire cast is excellent. (I don't recall anyone portraying Kenny O'Donnell, which is appropriate since he was a peripheral participant at best.) I think some libraries still have the original on DVD, maybe on Blu-Ray, too. Amazon has it on DVD.

Found it! 🎉😊🖖

The way you write makes me smile my guy. Hope you're well

Starts at 25:15 to about 25:40

This and Das Boot.

Yeah, I half-expected a "The Sixth Sense" ending with his character.

We actually watched this movie in my US History since 1877 class in high school. I'm so lucky that I lived in a city with an excellent public school system and am old enough to have been school-aged at a time when kids were still given a proper well-rounded education. I substitute teach in the same school system I attended as a student from K-12 and the overall quality is still there but far too much emphasis is placed on STEM. It was shocking to me how much the non-fiction and classic literature sections in the library have shrunk since I graduated back in the mid-00s.

@@therevolvingmonk u wacthed this movie in 1877 in school LOL?????, was that typo? but yeah your right , school is laser focused on getting u to college these days, not everyone cares about that

"It’s a shame really, public schools only acknowledge that events like the Cuban Missile Crisis happened. You never really learn about them." Public schools usually run out of time to teach the Cold War.

I clearly remember a lesson in high school (79 or 80). My teacher very sarcastically pointed out the removal of the missiles in Turkey, which was completely unrelated to the missile crisis! My dad talked about it with me later and said that he was a bit concerned at the time (he was from Britain, they tend to downplay stuff). It was only when the movie showed people lining up for Confession that the true level of the threat became clear to me, though. I think at 14 I knew that we were still here and didn't really think about the way things felt to the people in the moment

@@patty4349 I’m referring mostly to schools since the year 2000. Cold War history, is just barely touched touched on, I mostly learned about it by my own curiosity. I graduated in 2020. I guess it depends on the teacher. Public schools in general nowadays do a very rushed, sloppy job in terms of Cold War history. It appears as time goes on we have to rush even more things when learning about history and unfortunately a lot is skipped over.

"knowing everything about everyone but just not talking about it" And frequently misinterpreting the intentions of the other side, usually for the worse. Stalin's paranoia about security outlived him. The Soviets through the war repeatedly thought the USA/NATO were going to launch a first strike. Even today, Putin is paranoid about invasion. Moscow has institutional PTSD from Barbarossa.

@@jliller lol I don't think those nukes work anymore nowadays, considering the sorry state of the russian military.

Not much has changed

@@jliller ​ Thankfully we can resolve rogue nuclear accidents through the MOLINK now, the only thing Putin hasn't broken off. We barely had it during the Missile Crisis but it was useless since messages took 6 hours just to deliver. Today people understand the gravity of this and it's acceptable for enemy presidents to talk with each other on the phone. The presidents also have more centralized control over their own nukes

@@jliller well founded since The actions of the USA from vietnam, to desert storm, and to war on terror. Same for the USSR as well.

It felt like poker at times. The constant bluffs and mistrust.

@@tylerdurden788 well obviously no one at that time wanted to watch some thing so blad I personally love classical historical.

Regarding the box office performance, I do wonder if Costner had built up a negative reputation because of roles in duds like Waterworld and The Postman, and some folks skipped the film because of it.

@@pokepress could be. Russell Crowe and Mel Gibson had big movies that year, so you do have a good point. However, I think it's a lot deeper than that and this is a movie that definitely is not for everyone..

Still amazes me that they had no direct communication line between the two leaders before this event occurred

@@Nostripe361 it is pretty crazy to think. IIRC during the crisis they had to physically go to the embassy and have them pass messages on to Moscow.