A lot of people hate on Slytherin and I agree Rowlings didn't give much attention to a redeeming side for the house. However, Slughorn fought against impossible odds at the Battle of Hogwarts. I think only Slughorn and Regulus come off well for Slytherins in the series.
I agree I Think Dumbledore was 'also trying to give him a chance to return to the school possibly to rectify the damage he may have done by giving Riddle the information'he reminds him of the mistake by wearing Tom riddle's ring while asking him to return to the school'he definitely helped try to stop Riddles seconds chance at world domination.
Thank you so much for it. I really love Horace Slughorn truly heartwarming character. Sure he has favoritism which is not a good thing, but hey if every character would have been perfect there is no point in having a character. I always wondered about my favorite (Severus) and thanks to you I learned that he was in the Slug Club.
If Slughorn didn't teach Sirius, there must have been more than one potions master at Hogwarts at the time. After all, he did teach Lily Evans (Harry's mom), and she was at Hogwarts at the same time Sirius was.
@soccmonke eh... some are pretty perfect. Luna and Arthur, for example, are spot on. McGonagall is another example of perfect casting. But then you have characters like Umbridge and Slughorn that are so good in the roles that the differences in appearance can be forgiven.
I disagree with the idea that Professor Horace Slughorn was prejudiced towards muggle-borns. Yes, he was sorted into Slytherin House which has a reputation for anti-muggle bigotry. However Horace seems not to have let this negative stereotype affect his actions. While he may have been brought up in a pure-blood supremacist environment, he taught with the same enthusiasm for his subject to all of his students no matter their heritage. You may point towards Slughorn’s remarks that he was impressed that Lily Evans should be so talented considering she was muggle-born. Or his confidence that Tom Riddle’s abilities indicates that he comes from “decent wizarding stock”. While these less than pleasant aspects of his character are a part of him, it never came out in his actions. He never let blood status get in the way of his nurturing and encouragement for the ambitious, the intelligent, or the talented students he mentored. I also believe that he abandoned such biased notions after his experiences with Tom Riddle. It must have been horrifying and humbling to know, and he had to know, that a simple conversation with a “quiet yet talented boy” about a taboo subject led to the deaths of so many of his own prized pupils and friends. Not unlike a certain headmaster of Hogwarts that had to learn from the deaths of others. Professor Horace Slughorn may not have been a saint, but he was a superb teacher with an excellent eye for talent. And while not the first into the fight against Voldemort he certainly didn’t shrink from it.
I think Slughorn had bias toward pure bloods but no hatred towards muggle borns. Like if a student was particularly impressive he'd automatically assume they're pure blooded but if he finds the opposite it doesn't make him dislike them, if anything he almost sees it as them being impressive "despite" not being pure.
Then you haven’t been paying attention, he was surprised that Hermione’s so talented for a muggleborn and basically asked her if she’s sure that she’s not related to wizard Granger family. Don’t know what’s it about Slughorn that makes people overlook his nastiness tbh.
I think you missed someone. Who was that Ravenclaw student who was related to the inventor of the wolfsbane potion? I remember Slughorn mentioning it on the train when he was talking to said student. The name of the student escaped me though. But I'm pretty sure you left them out.
You're thinking of marcus belby. He didn't make the cut. Like in the movies Neville didn't either and he said "he's got belby handing out towels in the lou"
Yes, his talk with Tom Riddle about a banned and taboo subject does not make Horace Slughorn guilty. But his decades of silence about that conversation does make him culpable. If he had accepted his shame and told the truth about that night years ago to Dumbledore, rather than a few weeks before his death. Then perhaps many lives could have been saved. “Tell the truth and shame the devil.”
@@robertmckenna3994 i agree with you. If he shared what happened earlier many lives would have been saved but if i Remember well dumbledore tried to speak with him about It, but he ran away.
I also get the impression that he takes pride in teaching people that later on having some renown or acquiring positions of prominance in the ministry. Just a guess with him being disappointed with Sirius not being in Slytherin when he was head of the house.
This is a good one, very enjoyable. I'm just going to say, I love Jim Broadbent and think he is such a wonderful actor. From Bullets Over Broadway - to the adorable Bridget Jones movies & his sharp turn in Hot Fuzz - to his time in the Harry Potter movies - just a gem.
Slughorn is the most realistic portrayal not only of Slytherin, but of how the world works, in the entire book. The Slug Club is how most professional networks operate, and you'll find teachers and people collectors like Slughorn everywhere. A magnificent example of a good Slytherin.
Voldemort started the Death Eaters effectively here with Avary and Lestrange etc they started as The Knights Of Walpurgis, I find that such an interesting name.
I love learning little-known details and theorizing about the hogwarts universe! I just have a quick question about Abraxas Malfoy. Was he at Hogwarts at the same time as Tom Riddle? Did anyone know ?
That presumes there was only one potions teacher at the time. Since this was before the first wizarding war, there may have been more students and more teachers. If Slughorn only taught advanced potion making and Sirius didn't get that far in potions, he might not have taught him. However, that's only speculation.
Sirius likely gauged the Slug Club as a Slytherin organization and turned down Slughorn's request to join since Sirius wanted to distance himself from his family and Slytherin. Either that or Slughorn just didn't consider Sirius(or James for that matter) as special enough for the Slug Club. Either way is entirely plausible since the Marauders were very much about secrecy and anti-establishment. They would have gotten a kick out of refusing to join a stuffy club full of egos. Especially since Remus and Peter would not likely be invited. Or it's also as likely that their most adept deeds went mostly unnoticed by the school at large including Slughorn.
@@somersault1123 that is true but he says he never taught him in the film and book so JK must have messed up with remembering that he was the same age as Lily and she was one of his favourites
Slughorn fits the description of a benign narcissist. While one such as voldemort takes joy in knocking the latter down after them, slughorn enjoys rising people up and knowing he was responsible for at least part of it.
Interesting. How Horace wanted to shine through these students' talents (is like he wanted these students to say to everyone "I am here because of Professor Slughorn") and therefore he'll be able to have an endless source of "gratitude" gifts and privilages in his favor coming from them, once they were well portioned wizards and witches.
can you also do a theory on why dumbledore changed his fashion? he looked normal on the fantastic beast series but on HP he looked like a traditional wizard with that robe.
At times i disliked professor slughorn for picking favorites, but be honest, i fancy about favorites myself. People either love or hate the great and fail to see both sides. We are all creatures of light and shadow. But as you mentioned, clubs may safe you, no matter what creep you are. I had joined one club, though it didn't reflect my views completely, people wouldn't have exed me and loved me despite my flaws and strenghts. Lone wolf dies, pack survives. But that is the thing, saving one meets killing the other. What are you willing to sacrifice? You cannot save everything and everyone. And truth or better doubt is what people are abandoning most likely.
I really loved Jim Broadbent in the role of Slughorn. Even with some of the changes (plotwise, to appearance etc.) I thought he captured the essence of the flawed but brilliant Professor Slughorn. Particularly the sequence where he describes Lily's gift of the petal / Francis the fish and how he subsequently knew Lily had died.
Slughorn is one of my favourite characters because he showed that prejudiced people have the capacity to learn and improve. I knew an older coworker similar to Slughorn at work. He was very kind to me but he held internal prejudices that skewed his perception my abilities as a young woman of colour. But he was really open minded and acknowledged his mistakes when I challenged his bias and proved him wrong. It’s easy to assume that people are being willfully hostile when they make racist assumptions, but when someone grows up in an environment where those stereotypes are rarely challenged, its easy to see why they didn’t learn sooner. I would never call my coworker or Slughorn “bad” people because they used to have prejudiced views. They just didn’t know better because no one ever tried to correct them. What matters is that they tried to make up for it.
It's not vanity that Slughorn was prone to. It's pride. If he wasn't so proud, he wouldn't have offered the info that he knew about horcruxes. Which is why he regrets sharing the knowledge about them with Tom. He's always been described as over-weight. Vanity is less compelling than pride, especially in Slughorn's position. Just saying. It does not (bode) well to dwell on dreams and forget to live.
He’s referring to being head of Slytherin house, not being potions professor. He’s had the rest of the Black family, but not Sirius, as he was the only one in Gryffindor
It speaks volumes about Rowling that the Weasley family are, "Redheads," while the remaining strands of Slughorn's hair are, "Gingerish," the former a description, the latter an insult. Lestrange, a contemporary of Tom Riddle, may well BE Rudolphus, husband of Bellatrix.
so there isnt anyone who is breaking new ground? creating new schools of magic study or making new better potions and spells and objects ? is there like a nobel prize but for magic people? no PHD in magic ? well its deep but could be made to be deeper i guess in some ways
As anyone wondered how many generations magic can skip. Slughorn asked hermione if she was related to a potionier. Could that maybe be her great grandfather and her grandpa could have been a squib and never told her father about it??? New theory
That presumes there was only one potions teacher at the time. Since this was before the first wizarding war, there may have been more students and more teachers. If Slughorn only taught advanced potion making and Sirius didn't get that far in potions, he might not have taught him. However, that's only speculation and your comment is a good catch regardless.
