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@@Wyrrlicci No it wasn´t. The VHS won due to porn myth has been debunked for at least 2 decades at this point: knowledgenuts.com/2014/03/05/betamax-didnt-lose-to-vhs-because-of-adult-films/

Stop Skeletons From Shaving My Balls

I like the way you do your promos. It's not just some pre-written preamble given by the sponsor, you do the ad in your own style. I wish more content creators were given that option and tried pursuing it when possible.

Deodorant for your woznames? And it's NOT a Roll-on? They missed a Trick!

Manscaped does not ship outside of the US? The fuck...I tried to order the perfect kit using your promo code. I am located in Canada :/

Nice. I too like Sabaton

"Business Is War" - Jack Tramiel We need a miniseries on the life and times of Jack Tramiel. An Anglo-American co-production between Netflix and Channel 4, starring Ben Kingsley as either Irving Gould or Mehdi Ali and Timothy Spall as Jack himself.

That would bei awesome. I guess you are aware of kim justice? If not: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nd9kmBn0M9k.html

lnxrox dude Kim Justice documentaries are the best though. She’s like old school history channel but if it was all about cool computer and video game stuff

@@alistair4909 I am pretty sure Kim Justice is a he and not a she.

Cool

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Came here to say exactly this lol. Blue light is physically smaller than red light. Weird to think about the size of light, but yes, smaller wavelengths can be focused into a smaller area.

The blue lasers also penetrate the disc less, so they can have more layers on the discs, thus, more space. This graphic from Wikipedia explains it a lot clearer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#/media/File:Comparison_CD_DVD_HDDVD_BD.svg

I knew someone would be straight in on this 😂 "it contains more power" where did you even find that statement 😂

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#ZuneNationREPRESENT

I had a 30gb brown one..

😂

Don't laugh, but I still use my zune. I prefer its software to organize my music.

I love my Zune.

DanVanRob that’s the only HD DVD disc I could picture before this video.

Hmm.. I'll just take my 5 copies to the open market Capitalism wooooooooooooo 🐍🐍🐍

I'm so jealous

Could wind up being worth hundreds of bucks down the road...ya never know

I’ll give you my twelve copies so you can just have every copy

what a trooper

What a sore loser. He subjects himself to inferior encoding and lossy audio!

Lol that's hardcore

@@Clay3613 oh yeah? then why does your Mom keep visiting his dad to HD DVD and chill every Saturday night?! 😉

Wow. I just kinda gave up on the format when it lost. All I have left is my old Harry Potter box set.

They'd be wrong either way... People just like to say porn wins format wars as a truism because it's funny, not because it's accurate, the fact of the matter is that VHS had already won against Beta before porn was even a thing on the format, the people in general chose VHS over Beta because of its longer recording capacity, a single VHS tape could record an entire football game, a Beta tape couldn't... Yeah, that format war was won by you yanks' bootleg rugby... People bought VCRs to do exactly that, Record TV programmes on Video Cassettes, that was in the late 70s, Home Video only became a thing in the early 80s and by then most people already had VHS VCRs in their home so film distributors just decided to support that format over Beta when they couldn't do both... DVD on the other hand had no meaningful competitors, everyone just agreed on the format and it just took over...

Thank you. It helped VHS "win" (maybe), but that's it. There's never been another format war that porn helped pick the winner on, but people keep repeating the same nonsense.

@@zandert33 It's called a meme.

@@Puremindgames it's a freaking boring meme

@@zandert33 It's subjective.

No Good Call Apple and ask

Just get a lot of USB Extension cables and you're done

didn't usb have a theoretical limit of 255 devices per root port? (using hubs). Practically you're limited by the port's bandwidth... which for USB2 is 480Mbits/sec. Controllers and keyboards however use mere bytes of bandwidth so I'd guess you can connect 200 of those...

Ask Sega

plasticbutler This comment is underrated

I'll give ya that one (I usually find the DIO meme annoying). I imagine the manufacturing process for blue laser diodes is or at least was more expensive and possibly slower as well. I might have to jump down a rabbit hole some time to learn how they're actually made (usually better precision requires a slower manufacturing process in my experience but my experience doesn't include electronics manufacturing).

It was me Dio.

Zener or rectifier

@@grn1 You're not very fun at parties.

That is a good point that it never got integrated.

Why in quotations?

@@yellowwasanimposter520 Because he was... quoting something?

@@JackOfHarts96 nailed it.

120 GB aka 1/4 of Call of Duty

Oh God, you're gonna be the old man giving his grandson some big ass pile of VHS tapes that they're going to awkwardly smile and take and then donate to the Goodwill.

@@Xbob42 Nah, more like DVDs and Blu-Rays.

That and you can rip a physical disk (excluding 4k Blu-ray disks)...

@@alexdhall And even those may start to be cracked soon.

Yea I will always prefer physical media, having that case to display on your shelf and actually owning what you purchase is way better if you ask me Digital stuff can easily get delisted over time or because of stuff like copyright/rights ownership

Damn, that's pretty funny. Do you have anymore stories from your time at Sony?

Sony employees would find HD DVD demise sad.

@@RobertK1993 Why? We were team blu-ray.

That could be pligged into a tv

McMuscle

Why?

@@rayfran06 It's a meme for kids who still think LD is inherently better because of analog fascination nonsense. There literally no reason to horde laser discs outside of maybe the big art work.

@@garaschneider4808 haha ok thank you! I was confused ...I subscribe to his channel and wonder why he would hate on Blu Ray, I mean I am aware of people and an argument of people that don't like the format. I was just confused....now I'm showing my age! Lol thank you

Laserdisc? Got nothin’ on CED.

Noice.

yeah they managed to have 3 generations of disk systems that couldnt play movies or music kinda crazy

Yeah it was basically due to Nintendo not wanting to have to pay any other company money to use their cd/dvd or whatever drives and it led to nearly 10 years of stupid decisions by Nintendo. The cartridges are what sealed N64's fate as a failure and the small half sized disks that could only hold 1GB held the gamecube back also. Thank god Nintendo finally saw sense and just stuck a DVD drive in the Wii.

He kinda looks like him. Like they could definitely be related.

ᐅᓇᓕᒃ Nanuq I didn’t have a ps3 back then but having played it once at a party I’d preorder on amazon ASAP if it got a rerelease on modern platforms but we know that likely can’t happen since licensing

@@alistair4909 Played the game before watching the movie and enjoyed if very much. Yeah, it sucks but that's what happens when there's too many cooks involved. :s

greenland here

What if it was announced to be rereleased... as a Switch eShop exclusive

Lol

When I bought my XBox 360 Elite, it didn't come with a hard drive. Just like 60 GB of flash storage. Literally, the HDD bay was empty.

@General Grievous The Galactic Hero it was big back when it launched but it's laughable now

@Cal Peace I've seen them in the clearance section at HPB but I haven't bought any, because at this point any of the titles worth having already have superior Blu-Ray releases. I might pick up one or two for the novelty of it now, they're cheap enough.

huh?

Did Sony really win though? I don't remember DVDs coming bundled with VHS, but 13 YEARS after Sony "won," the Blu-Ray/DVD combo pack is STILL more common than Blu-Ray only.

@@mariokarter13 that's a really valid point. Even if you consider it's mostly for people that haven't made the jump yet it's taking forever for DVD to fade away compared to VHS. And I think most of the movie watching population pretty much stopped buying DVDs and BluRay in favor of streaming services. That victory from Sony doesn't do much in the end. Physical console game still ship on bluray, that's pretty much the extend of it.

Imagine a world where HD DVD won..

Dash120z imagine a world where your console doesn’t come out with A) Built In HDMI B) Built In DVD Drive Well, until 2 years later

Right. I think they might have demonstrated it at a trade show but it was never released. It was a dumb idea. Basically it would have crippled both formats to single layers for each version. 15GB (HD DVD) and 25GB (Blu-ray) Let’s not forget I think both LG and Samsung sold players that could play both formats. Other than the OS running the formats the data files were essentially the same types with Blu having the extra storage and larger bandwidth advantage.

Isn't Dolby sound and HDR10 more color visible on the screen?

@@NothingOfNoteToSeeHere more dynamic range between darks and brights as well as a wider color gamut

@@AltimaNEO CMIIW, recently HDTVTest stated Dobly Vision being superior, because HDR peaked its bitrate something.

It's been going for years and I wish it would end. I hesitated for years buying a 4K TV because of this color format war.

@@nabieladrian It was always "superior" (12 bit color, better variance in contrast), it's just that HDR10 is slightly more supported because it's supported by SMPTE.

Terrance Addison As soon as I found out Blu Ray could hold more data and it had a hard protective coating that reseated scratches I knew they win. Plus PS3 helped and in general Blu Rays where a bit sharper and better audio at the time it used uncompressed LPCM audio then later got DTS HD Master and Dolby True HD audio where HDDVD was using Dolby Digital Plus As there audio choice.

Sounds like my friend who thought Dreamcast was going to dominate the PS2.

Same shit really you see the same movie lmao

Kylie McInnes Dreamcast was ahead of PS2 by a long shot but never got its support and reckless company decisions along with failed marketing led to its downfall real quick which is saddening. Dreamcast had better graphics, it had a internet browser, along with keyboard and mouse support, along with online play. Too good for it’s time.

@@nesswatch7935 The reality of the Dreamcast couldn't match the *hype* of the PS2, especially after how bad the Saturn was handled in the States.

Nope

@@xSnappa ?

The cheaper "core" system (the one without a harddrive) did not, but the standard model with a harddrive did. I had that model, it came with a combo-cable that had both composite and component connections, with a switch on it to choose which one to output over. And yes, most HDTVs back then had component, in fact, the first few HDTVs didn't even have HDMI as that was a standard that came after HDTVs (There were several articles about how HDCP was going to make those TVs useless). HDTVs removing component is actually a recent thing. (My TV from 2015 for example, it's a 4K 120hz 3D HDR SmartTV...... yet it has both HDMI and Component). Most of Derek's videos are incredibly well-researched and have corrected me on many things that I mis-understood before, but this one felt poorly researched. (E.G. like claiming that commercial optical disks have their data burned in by lasers, they do not, they are pressed. It's burnable disks that get written to by lasers. Also every time I have been to an electronics store 90% of the movies are in Blu-Ray format, I don't know where he is seeing stores where the DVD rack is bigger. To say nothing that streaming is poorer quality than disks.)

I remember that too. People didn't want to invest in either format because nobody knew who was going to end up with studio support in the end. I actually think Michael Bay was partially wrong: Microsoft didn't care if both formats failed, and they didn't even care if Blu-Ray won out in the end. They just wanted to delay consumer investment until the digital delivery platform was ready. After that, the people who still wanted to buy physical media could go crazy on Blu as far as MS was concerned.

That's like 5 cents US lmao

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*bum-duh-tiss*

Given what his movies are like, it wouldn't surprise me.

Isn't mothersbasement the dork who went to task against Uniquenameosaurus' "pirate anime" movement? Because I can't say I'm a fan of his for his one dimensional thinking regarding streaming services fighting over exclusives

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Unrelated: I found the ball deodorant thing kinda funny, cos I've been using my regular women's deodorant (Sure, by Unilever) in places beyond my underarms for years. Works great on underboob and balls. No chafing with sports bras or the dreaded underboob sweat here. Ah, trans privilege. Literally went "wait, have cis guys just.. been putting up with ball chafing this whole time?". I've got an Old Spice too, cos damn it sometimes I just want to smell like black pepper instead of flowers or cotton. (I don't understand the men's ones that smell like diesel or whatever Axe/Lynx smells of though...). The Old Spice definitely feels less slippery than the women's deodorants, so isn't as diversely useful as the Sure. I'm guessing the anti-chafe stuff is because of the expectation of shaved underarms? So I wonder if Manscaped's Ball Deodorant is basically a women's formula with different perfume...

Oh hey, you showed more from that promotional DVD film at 3:55.

There were actual widescreen CRTs, with the Sony GDM-FW900 being the most notable.

That was an awesome mini-documentary. I love it when there's a satisfying conclusion that talks briefly about history after the chosen period and how things panned out in the longer term. Was also pleasantly surprised by the mention of the narrowly-avoided MMCD/SD war. But they managed to repeat it in the home hifi realm, with SACD and DVD-audio, which both use red lasers. And in that situation, they kinda both lost. Hardly anyone bought them, instead unwittingly getting a DVD player that could also play SACD or DVD-audio depending on manufacturer (I think the PS3 can play SACD?). Now the people both formats were aimed at buy Blu-ray audio instead, which hold even more music or alternate arrangements/masters of the same music. It's funny that so often what is good for these companies is bad for customers, and vice versa. Almost all regular people, if they were aware of VHS/Beta, were super glad that it didn't happen with DVD and there was no way they'd be stuck with a pseudo-dead player the next year. But as you said, companies don't like it because the royalties got split between more of them.

@@kaitlyn__L One format "war" that almost never gets mentioned is the DVD v. DIVX battle, although it was more a skirmish due to how bad a curb-stomp battle it was.

Frisket Blu Ray sounded more cool and cutting the E off of Blue was ballsy

Frisket well I remember reading back than how Betamax had the better name than VHS and lost and how it would be the same for HD DVD as it had the better name than Blu-ray.

Blu-ray is way faster to pronounce and the name sounds very cool though the acronym has always been BD (Blu-ray Disc) but the marketing focused on using the name Blu-ray instead of BD. Mass consumers like quick simple naming with no convoluted pronunciations.

Years late but I'd kinda argue the opposite in a sense. This never occurred to me until it was brought up in a separate comment section, but think about it: There would have been a _ton_ of uninformed parents unaware of the difference between HD-DVD and DVD who would've ended up buying the DVD versions when their kids or whoever wanted the HD-DVD version. It's kinda like the Wii U debacle. Was this an actual factor in HD-DVD's defeat? I don't know, but brand confusion is rarely a good thing and I'm sure there's people who would have expected HD-DVD to work in their regular DVD player because to them both of these formats are just DVDs.

I don't remember the war at all because I didn't care - I was not in the least interested in upgrading. DVD was and still is good enough for me (as well as for most consumers). I probably didn't even realize the two were seperate incompatible formats.

bigevilworldwide1 wait like into the 2010s?! That’s crazy! I gotta look that up

UHD Blu-rays? Wow, that's potato quality. HDR? Wtf, that's SDR now.

"This creates frustration levels only previously achieved by Blast Corps."

bigevilworldwide1 Beta should have won better picture and sound quality and tapes much more portable.

Not all of them, mine only had Composite AV Cable.

Oh damn, that’s whack :O I guess the bigger question is did you even have an HDTV thou? Lol

@@Indremafan I got the premium 360 at launch and it came with the dual video cable. Maybe it depended on the model bought?

@@Indremafan Not back then no, still had a crt :)

Core came with composite

I remember not having any issues with it,though I remember reading about others having them.

I remember having problems reading Devil May 4 texts on an SDTV (it was possible, but it made my eyes tired), and that was the game that made me buy an HDTV for my Xbox 360.

It seems that, since the Xbox 360 was launched, the interface of almost all Capcom games were designed specifically for HDTVs.

Astfgl I had a PS3 witch loaded blu rays really quick and any firmware update was done by the console updates themselves. PS3 too this day is still by far the best blu ray player.

Correct ... few people remember the HD experience of 2006-2009, but PS3's could take up to 30sec for the JavaRT to load, since it wasn't baked into the firmware by design (& rightly so given Java's vulnerabilities).

Josh Cooley they’d had it for months too!! 🤩 I was so e x c i t e d

At a game store near me I went there and they had a HD-DVD movie and I was like holy crap that thing is dead

That's resume material

People keep focusing on porn for some reason but the moment when everyone knew HD DVD was done for was when Warner Brothers decided to support Blu-ray only. They held the key to deciding the winner (especially after Paramount had switched to HD DVD exclusivity just a few months prior) and apparently it was very close; the coin could have dropped either way. In any case, once WB announced their decision it didn't take long for all the remaining HD DVD-supporting studios to follow suit and just a few months later Toshiba threw in the towel and declared HD DVD officially dead.

@@Astfgl It's interesting how their management is an older-style one where they allow the 'founders/early adopters' to deal with the biggest problems, then finally decide once enough positive points on one side has been made.

Except the porn industry initially backed HD-DVD, throughout 2007. They only switched to Blu-Ray after WB announced they were dropping HD-DVD. The porn industry has little to do with the result of that format war.

99,00,01? No thanks That striker system...not to mention how broken one of those three was... I stick to 95 for the old school,97/98 for the new one... And never got anywhere near to the 3D ones No Stay away from me! I want the beatiful pixel art! Not this pseudo anime crap!

Isn't mothersbasement the dork who went to task against Uniquenameosaurus' "pirate anime" movement? Because I can't say I'm a fan of his for his one dimensional thinking regarding streaming services fighting over exclusives

Some people believe that Microsoft was going to announce a 360 with a built-in HD DVD drive at CES 2008 but canceled at the last minute when Warner Brothers announced dropping the format on the eve of the opening. I would have loved to hear the offers getting flung around between companies at that time.

Bruh maybe Oblivion wouldn't have had so much cut content

I wish they both won and shared the market together so we had more choices.

It was region free as well. Unlike Blu Ray.

@@bubba842 Most Blu ray disc are region free now it's optional

Agreed. I still use a PC monitor with my PS4, they just are easier to look at and run at 60hz.

they could have added it to the elite which was a few years later from the release. the tech would be cheaper and with how they had multiple tiers of systems the elite could have come out with a variant with the hddvd player in it, the later pro models could have as well, also i do believe the 360 was sold at a profit its entire life span so they could have sold at cost or at slight loss and pushed the medium

Yes, but the screen formats were a bit of a mess. I stopped using PAL end of the 90ies for obvious reasons. VGA was a lot better and later came the digital panels with DVI. Console support was lacklustre, so another reason to play on the PC. Later consoles finally got a digital output with HDMI - which fit only on the newer "TVs". They were expensive and the old monitors were still good. You can convert HDMI to DVI-D lossless, but then again, at least Sony required HDCP capability for BD playback - which most screens didn't support. So also for viewing movies, it was easier to just play a BD rip on a (HT)PC. No consoles for me from that era, but I later bought a Wii U, which plays all the Gamecube, Wii and Wii U titles on a standard HDMI screen which include some pretty good multiplayer titles. And that for me is a reason to run a console besides the PC I already have.

Indeed, considering how well-researched Derek's videos usually are I was surprised about the several errors in this one, including about component. HDTVs came out before HDMI was a thing, the first few HDTVs were composite-only. And composite was VERY common in HDTVs back then, it's removal was a recent thing. I have a 2015 TV that's 4K, HDR, 120hz, HDR, and a SmartTV.... yet it still has both composite and component. Hardly unheard of for even 2015 for a TV to still have component.

Supposedly dual sided Blurays were going to come out too. It's like they abandoned the idea and just stuck a separate DVD in the box.

That's what I thought as well. At first I was wondering if the supposed "rarity" of component was an American thing, as I'm from Europe, and at least here component was anything but uncommon, in my experience anyway. I bought a budget 42-inch TV in 2013, and it still supported component cables, as did my previous two TVs (both were small, and quite cheap), the oldest was only HD-ready and from 2006.

Does he have an episode on that?

Yes, and the focus on writing with the laser is also strange. Most disks are pressed. I'm not sure an HD-DVD writer even reached the consumer market.

Cyborg -Pixel-Fox Nah man, it’s because of MOAR POWAR!