History Primer 067: Russian S&W No.3 Documentary 

it's a philosophy that works.

Heavy is good heavy is reliable, then is his next breath he says if it doesn't work you can always hit them with it

That seems to be a running trend with Russian guns. Those early Mosin Nagants were long enough that they would use them as actual spears if I remember right. Not to mention they were in now way light-weight. Those rifles doubled as both spears and clubs.

​@@KingusDingus The cudgel-like shape of the M1891's stock also comes to mind...

In America you hit enemy with revolver's bullets. In Mother Russia, you hit enemy with revolver!...😁

Axel as far as double action goes on my personal Nagant, its pretty heavy but doable, but my fingers are decently strong and I can see how others could have trouble, if I had to fight with it I'd save DA for close range emergencies. There's no argument from me about reloading, its tedious and slow although with practice you can speed it up, you're still going to be left in the dust by the Russian S&W though. 7.62 Nagant isn't a powerhouse , military ammo is near .38 special in performance, but it is low recoil and not super loud, which might be a small comfort in a enclosed space. There isn't an excuse for the Nagant's reload though, and I'm not sure why they designed it that way.

hammer manipulation is much easier than on this beast so even single action operation would be quicker. it beats the nagant by a thousand miles for reloading. one wonders why the russians didnt carry over that feature.

There's a good chance of that, although the Nagant is much smaller and it too has a knuckle for the webbing of your hand to push against, like it's predecessor. I think the Nagant's cylinder design is one of it's many cost saving measures

Da, it would be a good choice.

I’ll take this revolver of anything else at the time. It beats the Reichsrevolver by a mile.

Yep that's commitment with a capital C , but then it is C&R , so not a surprise Really .

Funny part is.... I'm watching this on New Years Eve three years later....

One thing that you did not discuss in this video was the Schofield model of the night of the model three Smith & Wesson this gun was adopted and then canceled due to its unique cartridge 45 Schofield versus 45 long colt 52:21

I have an original 1874 S&W Russian Model 3, ( Russian contract) . I'm looking for an enthusiastic collector who can preserve and make use of this great piece of History. Please do let me know if anyone is interested in buying it.

@@antiquelover007 Barking up the wrong tree with me for practical reasons I'm afraid, since I'm not in the US, which I assume is where you are; and don't have a gun license right now otherwise in either case. Good luck with finding a buyer though!

@@bowmen08 thanks buddy, btw the one i have has the 1st one engraved. Can you please tell me which one better or rare? TIA

@@antiquelover007 Oh, shoot, it's been a while since I've seen this video so I don't remember off the top of my head what Othais said. But, the 1st engraving means it was a revolver made in the US for Russia; the 2nd means it was made in Russia, in the Tula Arms Plant; I'd imagine an S&W made in Russia would probably be more valued as a cool piece.

@@bowmen08 alright thanks alot , please do hook me up with a serious collector/ buyer though. I want it to be preserved, thing is old and itd be a shame to lose it. Cheers

The last time you were this early was 101 years ago? Because the last time I was in power was 101 years ago...

Shhhhh. Lenin might hear you.

Last time I was this early, the warp didn’t exist

TokyoExpress - He already killed me a century ago (it'll be 100 years on July 17th). What more could that embalmed commie do to me? He's just as dead as I am.

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Real men shoot 308 interleaving both sounds quite good, a lot of small arms have histories that carry on past WWI, in some ways it's bit of an arbitrary cut off, so many episodes can cover both and be a bit longer. Then just intersperse that with WW1/2 specific episodes.

Maciej Pociecha that doesnt make sense to do now.

Alistair Shaw there's a massive WW2 project going on with Great War Forgotten Weapons C&Rsenal and a few others for the 80th Anniversary. From what I've heard it sounds like an epic idea.

Dylan Asmus i know that. What i ment was the long ww1 and 2 episides just have them seperate

Cadorna needs Red Foreman from "That 70's Show" to put a foot up his ass! How many times do you have to fight on the same river and lose without changing your battle plan.

Shatner commas!

pazu kitsune I know I’m kinda late, but the Werder would be awesome. Seeing it got some very limited militia, police and training duty. It was arguably the most advanced service rifle of its day, seeing that the Prussians were still using the needle gun and the French had their chassepots. I don’t know if there is another breach loader wich you can fire that quickly. I highly doubt that.

Even a 9mm would kill anybody, and would be absurdly painful. In terms of lethalness, a bullet its a bullet. Except the Kolibri pistol 2.8mm cartridge, its only useful if you get hit right in the face :/

The problem is that they pretty much never had a choice. In WWII people like my great grandpa were unarmed. Russians and USSR never knew how to properly share equipment.

@@Schrodingers_kid к сожалению с 1917 года в России всем кто у власти, насрать на людей:Совок-это чудовище, пожирающее само себя и свой народ! Я уже почти 5 лет живу в Канаде-и здесь хотя бы можно носить (правда в контейнере с замком-но для меня лично в случае чего хватит одной секунды, чтобы открыть, вытащить,взвести и быть готовым к стрельбе)-то оружие, что имеет антикварный статус-я собственно говоря все время так и делаю!Кстати некоторое время назад я таскал именно этот самый Смит Вессон #3-только он у меня оригинал 1874 года выпуска и со стволом 20СМ,а не 16, как на видео!Снаряжал патроны естественно сам-притом этот револьвер хоть и разработан был задолго до появления бездымного пороха-но на самом деле прекрасно выдерживает современные заряды безо всяких повреждений и прочего!Поэтому с моей навеской,которую я использую в этом калибре, выходит у меня начальная скорость пули 14.9 грамм по хронографу от 300 до 330 м/с, это я специально придерживаюсь таких параметров, чтобы у меня выходила скорость дозвуковой-но при этом как можно ближе к скорости звука: так и мощности до хрена и выше-в данном случае 700-800 джоулей, что весьма некисло, учитывая что у любого современного полицейского пистолета в мире-и у Российского Ярыгина, и у Глока, и у Кольта 1911, и у ЦЗ, и в общем-то у всех 9мм и так же у .45 калибра всего 500 джоулей дульной энергии!А ещё и с отливкой пуль в принципе можно при желании такое состряпать, что самому будет стрёмно! Например вместо свинца с примесью сурьмы, использовать таллий с примесью мышьяка-кстати по механике повреждений и по баллистике ничем не отличается от свинца с сурьмой-и пробитие то же самое-только вот стоит такой пулькой попасть в ногу например-и к обычным эффектам,которыми сопровождается попадание обычной пули,добавится то, что если пройдёт навылет-то просто получится очень тяжёлое,а возможно и смертельное отравление этими двумя элементами,а в если пуля застрянет-то здесь практически гарантирован смертельный исход вне зависимости от того, где пуля застрянет! Более того,в отличие от свинцовой пули, с которой после попадания ничего не происходит до самого извлечения, соответственно получается отследить отпечаток нарезки и сопоставить его с базой данных и впоследствии с оружием, из которого был сделан выстрел-то в случае с таллием с примесью мышьяка-он хоть и не так быстро,как какой-нибудь натрий или калий-но растворяется в воде и соответственно в крови!Я когда для эксперимента оставлял пулю 8мм 6.5 грамм,отлитую из этого жутковатого сплава,в воде 40° температурой-через примерно сутки в этой воде на дне оставалось лишь кучка мышьяка в форме очень мелкого порошка-и немного хлопьев гидроксида таллия, который не смог раствориться! Жуткая вещь!А в России ничерта нельзя из этого!

Id choose neither did what most Russian officers did: get a PPSh. If that wasn't available, two Tokarevs , way more powerful than the Nagant revolver, more penetration than the then black powder loaded .44 Russian and held two more shots. Not that anachronistic. 7.63 Mauser will work in a Tokarev safely, just not 7.62 Tokarev in a 7.62 Mauser gun

@@chrismc410 You are talking about guns that didn't exist during WW I.

I would say that could be arranged for one to be sent from the stockpiles at my Imperial Arsenal at Tula, but I've been dead for pushing 100 years, Mr. President.

I thought you where dead

The spanish inquisition ended in 1834, but was mostly phased out in the 1700's. Also people like to talk like millions were killed during the inquisition, though in reality the numbers are more like 3,000-5,000 executed.

But millions more were tortured, exiled, or forced to convert. It also stalled intellectualism in Iberia

Eli A , I think it is a Monty python reference. He's not actually........

Is this based off image searching the slides or off just reading it?

No one cares commie.

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@PickelJars, really? Understanding cyrillic makes you a commie? Fuck off with your cold war mentality, you've already won, mate.

What ever you say tinkerbell.

Jun Kitami the one thing you have to remember is that the US Army Schofield didn’t have a spurred trigger guard like the Russian no3. The Schofield would have been far more awkward to manipulate in cocking it as a result. I think the Russian no3 was better then the peacemaker, but the Schofield, would’ve had mediocre ergonomics compared to the peacemaker. So it’s a matter of faster loading vs better ergonomics and faster firing.

S&w handles like shit from horseback, and is weak and fragile? Go "yanking" on one and it'll soon loosen up. Shoot one much and it'll loosen up. The cylinder is too short for .45 colt because .45 colt would rapidly use one up. Colt is slower to unload, but infinitely better in every other way. Top break is awesome, but even today it gives too much in strength.

The weak and fragile argument was made up by Colt and his employees themselves to keep their contract and of course, to kick S&W in the nuts. The .45 Colt can't fit in the Schofield because it was a bit longer to fit in the American Model 3 while the Peacemaker could fit both. Plus the top break rigidity issue was utter crap as both lasts as long as the shooter could fire, even till their deathbed calls for them. Plus if your gate loaders are so useful, it won't be killed off directly after WWII with the Nagant while top breaks are still in use up to the 21st Century with the REX. Sure having a solid frame is stronger but does that mean it's useless against the Peacemaker and waaay inferior? Fuck no.

Jun Kitami, you don't own one of these, do you, lol. Btw, Samuel Colt died in 1862. Didn't say gate loading was the way to go, although as a cavalry arm the saa is easier to load on horseback. Full house black powder .45 colt, if it would chamber them, would shoot out an original s&w in a couple hundred rounds. The saa points like an extension of your arm. The schofield, not so much. Hitting your target rapidly, and by point shooting is important with a pistol.

I owned a Model 3 Russian "7 at one point and that thing was a pleasant to fire with it's massively easy reloading procedure that only those side swing revolvers can compete. Sure the sight isn't bad but I had no issues lining it up target and mind you, there's 0 refurbishment done on it till the time I had it in 2008 which I sold it out with my other guns when I migrated back to my home country. I also owned a repro Italy made SAA and I still shot the Model 3 more than the SAA with still 0 works done when I sold both out. Instead, I had to get the plunger spring for the ejector for the SAA after firing just 200 rounds with it.

Why "ouch!"? They would have worn gloves probably

This hurts me because I know how good C&R is but I can't step away from Ian and Forgotten Weapons.

You realize most old vets still alive didnt actually see combat and will make up stories right? He probably had a good laugh with his american legion buddies at how naive you are

@@nickuva6508 no not this man I had him as a very good friend. I hate to tell you this but he passed away the day before Christmas of 2022. God rest his soul. Amen.

Wang Dang Sweet Poontang

TAOFLEDERMAUS That sounds like another one of OG's band names lol.

thanks

Kinda disappointed that it wasn't a Russian song

One per chamber, bro. :-D

Glock? You’re on the wrong channel there, bud.

Haha yeah. My Uberti Replica is a fucking tank. Corky never carried 2 guns, though he should have. A lot of folks did call him 2 gun but that wasn't because he was sporting 2 pistols but because he had a dick so big that it was longer than that Walker Colt he carried. Now if Corky had had 2 guns instead of a big dick, he would of been there right to the end to defend himself.

The Russians Were Rushin', the Yanks Started Yankin' Found it thanks.

I have a 44 da topbreak that was my Grandfathers duty gun in the 1920's. One of my earliest childhood memories is 'helping' my Dad hold it while he fired it. With the paper thin front sight and using the slick single action, it was a tack driver.

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