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@ThatReenactor1
@ThatReenactor1 2 года назад
Nice seeing you guys yesterday, Great video!
@jlyn8228
@jlyn8228 3 месяца назад
Yesterday, all our troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as though they're here to stay. Oh I believe in war and pain.
@stevedkelly
@stevedkelly 2 года назад
I went to a Seventh-Day Adventist school from kindergarten until grade 7. Desmond was talked about with great reverence and was a hero to them.
@jimw966
@jimw966 2 года назад
This movie definitely had the clichés, but if it resulted in viewers looking up Desmond Doss and finding out about the real man, it did it’s job. The real story is amazing and Doss, stuck to his convictions. That is a hard thing to do, against societal & peer pressure.
@anotherperson6146
@anotherperson6146 2 года назад
I would do a high school history project on him, so yeah I’d say it worked.
@nosidam1989
@nosidam1989 Год назад
Very true although mostly cliche I loved the third act of the movie 🍿
@balrog262
@balrog262 Год назад
Ah, but as he said, these are based in truth. Also a Platoon Sergeant got the Medal of Honor for priming Mortars with his helmet, ON OKINAWA.
@SergioArellano-yd7ik
@SergioArellano-yd7ik 11 месяцев назад
And they had to ruin it with a cheap laugh by throwing in a Wilhelm scream.
@SteveSzuiki
@SteveSzuiki 11 месяцев назад
​@SergioArellano-yd7ik How did it have that effect?
@rangerscloud
@rangerscloud 2 года назад
Glad to see I'm not the only one who hated the scene of the BAR being fired while holding half a corpse. That and the random bumping into the wounded soldier, the staring and screaming with the random sound effects that sounded like a pinball machine when being lit up by machine guns at the beginning of the battle always rubbed me the wrong way.
@Ausl0vich
@Ausl0vich 2 года назад
I know right. That and the jumpscare with the "dead" marine sitting up and screaming were just absurd. Those two scenes alone were enough for me to hate the movie really, what the fuck was the point in that? It's like they intentionally thought "is this a serious movie? No, it's not."
@Ausl0vich
@Ausl0vich 2 года назад
Oh yeah, plus the scene of Vince Vaughn being dragged backwards on his ass firing his grease gun.
@jeremyphillips6373
@jeremyphillips6373 2 года назад
Not to mention on top of everything thing else that was mentioned a rifle round would have went completely through the corpse and killed the BAR gunner.
@romelnegut2005
@romelnegut2005 2 года назад
@@Ausl0vich Two scenes made you hate the entire movie? I never thought I'll come across someone who would say that.
@Ausl0vich
@Ausl0vich 2 года назад
@@romelnegut2005 If I watched it again and didn't take it seriously I'd probably be entertained. But those scenes (plus some of the other exaggerations/inaccuracies in the movie) really take away from what is actually a pretty astounding story.
@calebjamescaleb
@calebjamescaleb 2 года назад
It’s a shame I can’t put photos in the comments. I was able to visit Hacksaw Ridge while I was stationed on Okinawa. As you stated the ridge itself was only about 25 feet tall. Additionally one issue with the move is how it shows the landscape on top of cliff. In reality the top of the ridge was only about 20 yard wide before it stated a rapid descent on the far side. The bunker you see them engaging was there but it was only yards from where they climbed the ladder. Many of the casualties came from ridge lines further back that overlooked the ridge that this battle was fought on. It makes the actions even more heroic when you consider they were essentially fighting sideways across a football field.
@BigRed0059
@BigRed0059 2 года назад
My grandfather served in Korea as pacifist. He was able to become a nurse in a mash unit. Very proud of him.
@brutusvonmanhammer
@brutusvonmanhammer 2 года назад
Oh good lord
@chriskalsbeek2252
@chriskalsbeek2252 Год назад
Klinger?? 😉
@SGTDuckButter
@SGTDuckButter Год назад
So your grandfather was a Officer?
@Tom-os4hy
@Tom-os4hy Год назад
​@@chriskalsbeek2252hahaha
@SergioArellano-yd7ik
@SergioArellano-yd7ik 11 месяцев назад
Him, don't you mean here?
@gdelan1
@gdelan1 2 года назад
The BAR scene is ridiculous, I agree. For a future review, I'd love to see you review Hamburger Hill, one of the most accurate war movies imo. My Okinawa hero is my grandfather, a gunner's mate 1st class on the USS Teton. He commanded the 40mm anti-aircraft batteries on the ship, which was targeted by over 150 Kamikaze attacks during the battle.
@zachburger7126
@zachburger7126 Год назад
Hamburger hill is one of my favorites
@lawrencemay8671
@lawrencemay8671 2 года назад
Learned about Desmond Doss when I took the Army’s Combat Medic Course in 1976. He was my Hero from there on.
@gravitypronepart2201
@gravitypronepart2201 2 года назад
Yeah, I doubt that having knives in the barracks at boot camp, much less throwing them at the toes of your fellow recruits was a practice the drill instructors would allow. Also human bodies do a poor job of providing cover against rifle rounds. Thanks again Jared. It was fun and informative as always.
@lefdee
@lefdee 2 года назад
You mean people aren’t invulnerable to the things designed to go through them? Next you’re gonna tell me that car doors aren’t bulletproof either!
@gravitypronepart2201
@gravitypronepart2201 2 года назад
@@lefdee lol!
@redbeard4787
@redbeard4787 2 года назад
My grandfather said it was a normal pass time, even in basic, but they would do it outside so they wouldn't put holes in the floor, he said most guys brought their own knives from home
@paladinsix9285
@paladinsix9285 Год назад
Mumblypeg aka throwing a knife between a person's feet, then they move one foot until they touch the blade, then throw the knife between the first idiot's feet, until one person quits, or someone gets a knife stuck in their foot (or, if lucky, the knife bounces off the leather boot) does occur! Consequences are common! I witnessed it as a private! As an NCO, I did my best to prevent it; I don't know if I was completely successful; however, none of my soldiers had to receive medical treatment from that particular form of stupidity.
@SteveSzuiki
@SteveSzuiki 11 месяцев назад
I think almost everyone knows that or at least I did. That scene didn't bother me knowing that.
@lylekelly719
@lylekelly719 2 года назад
"Chosin" is a great documentary, one of the marines used his good friend as a sandbag, and had a lot of issues with for a long time, and went to the guys cousin was also a marine and broke down to him.
@ricardoaguirre6126
@ricardoaguirre6126 2 года назад
Another thing that the movie overlooks is that after Desmond Doss was wounded and being carried on a stretcher they came across another wounded man. Desmond being the selfless guy that he was rolled of the stretcher and told his comrades to take the other guy first. Doss then had to play dead for several hours before they came back for him.
@eskhawk
@eskhawk 2 года назад
Of course Garfield is limber on his feet...He was Spiderman for crying out loud...
@billkallas1762
@billkallas1762 2 года назад
Mel Gibson has a history of fictionalizing real events. This one is almost as bad as "The Patriot".
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
We covered that one last year if you want to check it out.
@billkallas1762
@billkallas1762 2 года назад
@@ReelHistory I've watched it.
@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat
@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat 2 года назад
Mel Gibson was only an actor on The Patriot.
@falcon3268
@falcon3268 2 года назад
This was one of my favorite movies, thank you for reviewing it. I am not sure if you were going to point this out, not Glover but a officer that wanted to get Doss court marshalled actually got court marshalled himself for cowardice I believe. The number 100, they actually went out and tried to find 100 that would say that Doss saved the,
@arkadyfolkner
@arkadyfolkner 2 года назад
Cunningham ran during an engagement on Guam. Captain Glover in an interview for 'The Conscientious Objector' (which i believe someone uploaded here on RU-vid at least ive watched here) said that he saw Cunningham running for the rear and drew a rifle bead on him... They claimed Doss was a coward when Cunningham was the real coward.
@jerrysmooth24
@jerrysmooth24 2 года назад
This movie is very cliche it would have been better if mel gibson didnt have anything to do with it because the combat scenes look like a early 90's shooter game and the character writing is basically GI Joe i think we need more movies about army medics and navy corpsman though. Would be awesome to see a movie about Roy Benavidez or another Okinawa vet Robert Eugene Bush because these stories are already unbelievable without painful cliche and nonsensical violence.
@ryanmarquez9404
@ryanmarquez9404 2 года назад
A cool story but a horrible cheesy movie. I'm a combat medic too but I couldn't get into the movie.
@davemac1197
@davemac1197 2 года назад
Not a movie I have ever sought out, but your break down was as fascinating as ever. I particularly liked the clip of the modern day Hacksaw Ridge for the "then and now" comparison, I always find those interesting. I believe Okinawa was the first part of Japan itself to be invaded and had a Japanese civilian population, so no doubt that was an additional reason the Japanese fought so hard to defend it. Great video, thanks guys.
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
Thanks! I'm getting better at this youtube thing lol
@ricardoaguirre6126
@ricardoaguirre6126 2 года назад
Actually it was Iwo Jima that was the first Japanese soil to be invaded.
@davemac1197
@davemac1197 2 года назад
@@ricardoaguirre6126 - Thanks, I had it in mind that Okinawa came before Iwo Jima, but on checking the dates I stand corrected!
@Rogue_Nine416
@Rogue_Nine416 Год назад
@@ricardoaguirre6126 you could even argue it was saipan as that was a japanese colony, though as a minor correction @dave okinawas are okinawans not japanese
@TheFleahost
@TheFleahost Год назад
As a former infantryman I can attest that “doc” always had a position of respect within the platoon. The challenge with some medics is their courage might cause them to take risks we’re not comfortable with.
@emmitstewart1921
@emmitstewart1921 Год назад
I never went into combat, but I did take basic training during the Vietnam era, and I learned that American soldiers did not run into an enemy position in a mass like they showed in that movie. Before they advanced, they would count off by 1s and 2s. Then they would pick points of cover. The 2s would stay in cover and deliver covering fire as the 1s moved forward to a point of cover nearer the enemy. Once a 1 was in a covered position, the 2 would advance as the 1 gave a covering fire for him. Thus, the enemy was under constant fire as the unit advanced. That was one of the reasons that intense comradery developed among so many units. The man standing next to you was the one who protected you in battle and you were the one who you protected him in the next minute. You needed to trust and understand him and he needed to trust and understand you.
@neilholmes8200
@neilholmes8200 2 года назад
There's an interesting parallel between this film and the British comedy series Dad's Army*. In one episode one of the platoon's oldest and most infirm members, Private Godfrey is revealed to have been a conscientious objector in WW1, and is shunned by the other members until someone realises he was awarded the Military Medal as a stretcher bearer at the battle of the Somme. He's then made the medic. He doesn't bring this up himself at any point, even though it would answer his critics. *Dad's Army is an excellent 1970s BBC comedy about the Home Guard and British Home front during WW2. The Home Guard drew its members from people who couldn't serve in the regular Army because they were too old, infirm or just too important to the war effort in some way to send abroad. Its mostly played for laughs, but there's some serious points in it. Interesting fact 1: As it was filmed in the 70s and most of the actors were playing older characters, many of them were veterans of WW2. Interesting fact 2: Arnold Ridley, who played Private Godfrey was born in 1896 and actually served in both the army and the Home Guard during ww2. Not only that, like his character, he served in WW1 until being badly injured at... The Somme! Interesting fact 3: His Great niece is the actress Daisy Ridley (Rey in the latest Star Wars trilogy)
@lawrencemay8671
@lawrencemay8671 2 года назад
There was a SGT on Okinawa that hit the motor rounds on a rock and threw them over an embankment in one engagement and killed about forty Japanese one night.
@gman7774
@gman7774 2 года назад
One of the only resent war movies I’ve seen that got the ages of the soldiers mostly right was 1917. The majority of the soldiers seem to be late teens to early twenties.
@neilholmes8200
@neilholmes8200 2 года назад
Brilliant film
@donstaunch7895
@donstaunch7895 2 года назад
Will check out the primary source you recommended. Thanks!
@ChuckJansenII
@ChuckJansenII 2 года назад
Excellent breakdown of the movie. Mel Gibson does go over the top too much. One of the problems with Hollywood and movies is they seem to think they need to add things into a story when the real story is interesting enough. I agree about the guy firing the BAR while carrying the torso of the comrade. Andrew Garfield was great in this movie. This is my favorite performance by him. I've said this before and I'll saying it again. There are no other men I have more respect for that the Combat Medic. "So you don't want to kill some Japanese." "I don't want to kill anyone. I just want to save some lives." "Being late for a latrine inspection has got to be the most heinous crime in the Army ev-ar. Life in prison cleaning latrines!!!" -- Captain Sobel. "Lighten up Herbert." -- Colonel Sink. "If you visit Hacksaw Ridge you may be disappointed by the scale of it." I'm sure that at the time these guys were about to scale the cliff it looked as tall as the Grand Canyon. Jarred, I would love to see your take on "Sergeant York" starring Gary Cooper.
@davemac1197
@davemac1197 2 года назад
You had good notes on the weapons. The BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) was a Section or Squad light machine-gun with the bipod mount, first developed in WW1 for trench warfare, and being magazine rather than belt fed it could be handled by one man for the purpose of clearing enemy trenches. In that respect it was an analogue to the British Bren, which was developed from a similar Czech design, hence the name Bren from 'Br'no in Czecholslovakia and 'En'field (Royal Ordnance factory) in North London. The M3 "grease gun" is another interesting design, as you say, a design philosophy of being cheap to produce and used stamped pressed steel construction, like the British Sten machine-carbine. While the M3 used the same .45 calibre pistol ammunition developed for the 1911 Colt as the M1 Thompson sub-machine gun, the Sten design opted for a copy of the German 9mm parabellum pistol ammunition developed for the P.07 Luger pistol and also used in the MP40 machine-pistol. The idea being that the Sten could be dropped to resistance forces in German occupied Europe and any MP40 magazines they could capture were interchangeable with the Sten. Curiously, the M3 "grease gun" was also made in a 9mm version, so that it too could be supplied to Norwegian and French resistance forces, and use German or British 9mm ammunition as available. The M3 in US Infantry Divisions were issued on a scale of six per Rifle Company HQ as a pool, to be distributed at the discretion of the Commanding Officer. I imagine some people nominally armed with M1 Carbines might opt for the grease gun for close encounters.
@billdavis6900
@billdavis6900 Год назад
Everything you said was absolutely correct but just to add, the Thompson was a fairly expensive gun to produce, with a unit cost of approximately $357 ($6,270 today) vs the M-3 grease gun unit cost of around $15. The grease gun had a slightly slower rate of fire of 450 rounds per minute vs 750 per minute of the Thompson, but it’s relatively cheap design alleviated the need for field repairs and the logistics of getting spare parts to the field. If the gun broke it could simply be disposed of and replaced.
@diegochavez7203
@diegochavez7203 11 месяцев назад
​​@@billdavis6900TO CLARIFY: That was the price of the early m1928 models. The Army simplified it's design and got the cost down. Sources are all over the places but the range I found was between $45-70 a piece. Still very expensive for the time but way lower than $357
@billdavis6900
@billdavis6900 11 месяцев назад
@@diegochavez7203 I understand that there were later versions of the Thompson that were less expensive to produce purely from a unit cost standpoint but that wasn’t the only consideration or calculation metric. Even with a simplified design during WWII, the Thompson had too much steel in it and took longer to produce en masse, which is why large numbers of them couldn’t be produced. Steel was important because of WWII rationing and low production counts was why except for paratroopers, only officers and high ranking NCO’s were allowed to carry them. Plus all of the issues I stated in my previous comment about parts and the logistics of getting parts to front line troops. It was still one hell of a weapon in its day.
@MutsumiOtohime78
@MutsumiOtohime78 2 года назад
Man I love it when you review "Bad historical scenes", you should review either Battle of the Bulge (1963) or Midway (2019) which are both HORRIFIC in terms of "They TRIED to make things accurate but wound up making things a lot worse"
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
Oh we're getting there, trust me!
@kylewilson2819
@kylewilson2819 Год назад
Really? I found the Midway remake to be extremely accurate, with the only major issues being the "Both-Sides" approach to the film that attempted to excuse/justify the atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy. And to be fair, I felt the reason they did that is because they feared public backlash would label the film as "Anti-Japanese". But outside of that, I found the vast majority of the film to be extremely faithful to the battle and what preceded it.
@MutsumiOtohime78
@MutsumiOtohime78 Год назад
@@kylewilson2819 From what I remember, the dive bombing scenes where they do the final dive on the carriers show WAY too many American dive bombers get shot down during the dive. IIRC I don't think ANY actual dive bombers were shot down during the dive, but they needed to put "excitement" into the background so you see 5-6 Americans get shot down during the sequence.
@ajc.7674
@ajc.7674 2 года назад
I enjoy reel history immensely, I wish more students of all ages were exposed and had an understanding of the sacrifice of not only the World War Two generation but of every generations conflict in our nations history. Both my wife and I retired from service in the United States Army but both our fathers served in World War Two, Korea and Vietnam. All who experience war are altered by it both physically and psychologically. I never understood my own Father till he finally opened up about some of the horrors he experienced on Iwo Jima and Okinawa before his passing. It was almost like he had to unburden himself before his transition from this world. I wish I had talked about it sooner with him but he kept the details of that part of himself hidden till the end of his life So few of our current population understand military service and even less the inhuman experience that those who engage in close combat experience. Jared Ferderick performs a great service in tying to pass on the unvarnished reality of military conflict and the tremendous debt we owe those who sacrificed all for our nation. Each and every one of the hundreds of thousands or more of our servicemen and servicewomen who committed the ultimate sacrifice have a unique story to tell and I like how Jared tries to pass that idea to his viewers during each of these segments. Thanks Jared
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
Thank you! We're working hard to make the information more easily accessible. Our upcoming website will have a resources tab for teachers to discuss historical films with their students with lots of primary resources... free of charge. 😃
@johnscherer1922
@johnscherer1922 2 года назад
hey jared, it's the grumpy old fart from n.h. again. as usual, a great presentation. i love the b.a.r. scene, how many guys wish they had one of those endless magazines. regarding the sling he used to lower the wounded, the knot depicted in boot camp, which his seargrent escribes as a bra, was a bolan on a bight{bit} it was required for all rookies in the n.h. school of fire standards, and training to learn. you put your legs through the loops, and wrap it around you. good review. john
@griz6282
@griz6282 2 года назад
The landscape may be lush by now, but the Navy shelled the everloving crap out of the area prior to the landings
@JoeBLOWFHB
@JoeBLOWFHB 2 года назад
OK ...so everyone knows about the "Desmond Doss This Is Your Life" episode on YT right? If you don't it is a little corny old TV program that covered people of note through the eyes of the people that knew them. You get to meet some of the people he saved along with his family.
@skyhawksailor8736
@skyhawksailor8736 Год назад
You should also do a review about the first Conscientious Objector Soldier who was awarded a Medal of Honor, Alvin York. Yes Alvin York did wind up using a gun to save lives, where Desmond Doss is the first Conscientious Objector who refused to pick up a weapon, to be awarded a Medal of Honor. My Dad enlisted in the Navy to be a Corpsman. To get the Pharmacist Rate, he had to enlist for six years. His recruiter told him when he graduated Pharmacist Mate School he would have over six months in the Navy and could take two weeks leave before he reported to his first duty station. He was sent to San Diego for Boot Camp, then he reported to Balboa Naval Hospital on 6 December 1941 for his Pharmacist Mate School. Due to the Japanese attack the next morning, upon completion of his Pharmacist Mate School he was sent directly to Naval Hospital Pearl Harbor. He was at Pearl Harbor till February 44 when he was sent back to San Diego to get, as his record shows FldMedSchBn.,Camp Pendleton. While in transit he took 24 days of leave, the only leave he took in 6 years in the Navy. He then was put in the 3rdBn8thMar FMF. He was in the Battle of Okinawa. Because his enlistment went through September 47 he was part of the first Marines Occupation force in Japan. Growing up all he ever told us was about being in Pearl Harbor and the occupation of Japan. It was not till many years after his death my oldest brother stopped in Saint Louis and got a copy of his record did we learn about him being in the battle of Okinawa. I went to the Corpsman FB page ans was sent to the Hospital Corpsman's page with historical photographs. I combed through and found a picture with the caption saying a Navy Corpsman helping a civilian at an Army Hospital on Okinawa. My brother also got a copy of several letters written from November 1945 to July 1946 Dad wrote to the Commanding Offficer, Military Government Headquarters on behalf os a S.Kimura, about the treatment of Japanese.
@SilvanaDil
@SilvanaDil 2 года назад
I love this movie. I don't mind the liberties taken with the story. It's not a documentary, after all.
@balrog262
@balrog262 Год назад
Demsond is the living embodiment of the Good Samaritan.
@theblazingpegasus9151
@theblazingpegasus9151 8 месяцев назад
The mortar round grenade scene wasnt at all unrealistic there are multiple accounts of that, the only thing they had to land on their nose to have much of a chance to explode so u had to arch your throw alot more than a grenade
@holycats8
@holycats8 Год назад
I would like to comment on the age of the actors. While your enlisted are mostly younger, particularly present day, My grandfather was drafted at the age of 31 for WW2 and was a pvt in the infantry for the war. He was in Italy for a lot of the war.
@christopherorozco1021
@christopherorozco1021 2 года назад
YESSSSS! THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING! Great intro as well.
@richardmardis2492
@richardmardis2492 2 года назад
It’s a great story, deserves to be known. Even a flawed movie can, motivate a young person to care about history, and to learn from it.
@vitovirgilio8975
@vitovirgilio8975 2 года назад
I can’t agree with you more about the body shield scene. Absolutely hate that scene
@davidgibson82
@davidgibson82 Год назад
I couldn't stand how over the top this movie was. Reminded me of Windtalkers where even grenades explode like 88's. Amazing story though. Great breakdown.
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory Год назад
We generally agree.... and Thank you!
@johncashrocks221
@johncashrocks221 Год назад
The combat in this film was way too over the top and gratuitous, “everything exploded and 3/4 of the casualties were shot in the head” is not a way to make a war film. Okinawa was a slow 82 day meat grinder, not some Michael Bay flick
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory Год назад
Well said.
@timalexander7758
@timalexander7758 2 года назад
Great to see you back!! Have a GREAT Easter and thanks for your work!!!
@dennycarty4576
@dennycarty4576 Год назад
Goodness I was deployed in Okinawa and went to Hacksaw Ridge looked way different from the movie. It looked like the battle was nothing more than 100 yards for the whole battlefield!
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory Год назад
You are quite correct.
@aaronseet2738
@aaronseet2738 Год назад
Yeap the comical combat did the movie and the troops a disservice. I couldn't stand the scene where everyone lined up parallel so close and nicely for one-on-one boxing matches.
@nicholasmuro1742
@nicholasmuro1742 Год назад
I read where DD wouldn't agree to a movie because he said that Hollywood would get it all wrong. 🎯
@K37-h1z
@K37-h1z 2 года назад
What pissed me off about this movie was the advertising. Desomd doss was a hero who held to his beliefs, but the advertising would have you believe that he was special for not carrying a weapon. No medics were issued rifles, many elected to not even carry sidearms. He didn't train with one yes, but would have never been issued one in the first place.
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 6 месяцев назад
FYI, true in Europe but not in the Pacific. "Japanese soldiers would often purposefully target aid men to demoralize the men under their care and cause more casualties, even going as far as shouting out "Medic!" in English to draw them out. As a result, many aid men discontinued the wear of the Red Cross markings, and began to carry weapons to defend themselves and their patients."
@lawrencemay8671
@lawrencemay8671 2 года назад
My LPN at Fort Sam was Seventh Day Adventist. But he joined that Church after he enlisted.
@unity1016
@unity1016 2 года назад
In one of the documentaries I watched, the man with the shot off legs did live, and lived to the age of 77.
@davemac1197
@davemac1197 2 года назад
Sorry Jared, at 24:50 is the SCR-536 "handie-talkie" radio, and at 24:53 is the handset linked by a visible cord to the SCR-300 "Walkie-talkie" backpack radio you can see on the back of the guy next to the officer talking into the "telephone" handset. These are both radio sets issued to Infantry Companies. The Battalion had six SCR-300 sets belonging to the Communications Platoon of HQ Company, two retained at Battalion HQ and the others deployed with one each to the Companies, which have to provide the operator. Six SCR-536 "handie-talkies" were issued to each Company, two at HQ and one to each Platoon. I am indebted to Yves J. Bellanger for his outstanding book, U.S. Army Infantry Divisions 1943-45 Volume 1 - Organization, Doctrine and Equipment. I believe you're correct in saying the two were not compatible systems, because they operated in different frequency ranges. The SCR-300 operated between 40-48 MHz on the Battalion net, and the SCR-536 within the Company on 3.5-6.0 MHz between Company HQ and the Platoons, so these characters should not have been able to talk to each other using different radio systems.
@dragons123ism
@dragons123ism 2 года назад
Thanks for that. I did notice they were both radios and wondered if Jared was right nor not
@davemac1197
@davemac1197 2 года назад
@@dragons123ism - I spotted he was wrong about the "field telephone" straight away, but I'm not a radio expert and had to look up to understand how the radios were used. The different radio sets were used for different purposes because they had different capabilities, like range, etc., so they were used on different networks and could not talk to each other. It makes sense because you can't have everyone on the battlefield using the same frequency!
@LeeDavisonYo
@LeeDavisonYo 2 года назад
I saw this movie on a plane and was pretty disappointed in it, it's extremely hammy and campy. I was surprised when I looked it up later that people seemed to like it. I'm glad he mentioned this aspect of it. The Cinematics are almost disrespectful in how showy and flashy it all is. None of the actors suit their roles for me.
@gijoe508
@gijoe508 2 года назад
This movie is a classic example of “ When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.” still enjoyed it.
@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat
@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat 2 года назад
Not really. Because the reality is even more astounding.
@IIBloodXLustII
@IIBloodXLustII 2 года назад
More like when fact becomes legend, tone down the facts. A lot of this movie is hollywoodisms making an over the top war movie, but the stuff explicitly about Doss are often toned down because some of it is to incredible to believe.
@steveh1792
@steveh1792 Год назад
Regarding the father, Tom Doss, signing up for the draft wasn't out of the ordinary at the time. There were several drafts during the early part of the war, and my late wife's grandfather, born in China in 1887, is recorded in the "Old Man's Draft", including men from 45 to 64 years old. They were looking for men who had skills useful in the war effort.
@brandysmith3977
@brandysmith3977 Год назад
Regarding the soldier's ages- after being infantry combat in Vietnam at 21 I joined the Reserves as a Close Quarter Combat instructor at age 51 for the Iraq War. My father was drafted into the Army for WWII at age 34.
@maxheadshot3287
@maxheadshot3287 2 года назад
Obviously Mel Gibson is obsessed with graphic violence and body horror. How this works against the spiritual message of the story is kind of tragic and contradictory. The available clips of battle scenes on youtube are almost unwatchable. Too bad. Qote of Mark Kermode: "Dangerously close to parody"
@robkirk240
@robkirk240 2 года назад
Excellent critique as always Jared! I just wanted to ask about the beginning of your video where Hugo Weaving's character (Doss senior) is doing his anti-war monologue in the graveyard, apparently among the headstones of all his mates who died in WW1. How is that possible? I'm pretty sure they would have all been buried in France wouldn't they? I'm a bit surprised you didn't pick up on that. Cheers.
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
Rob, as was the case with both World Wars, next of kin could have the remains of loved ones left overseas, interred in a domestic national cemetery, or buried in a local graveyard. So the idea of local vets being buried locally is not a stretch at all. Although, their headstones would probably not have been regimented. He also may have been visiting the national cemetery is Danville, which is not far from their native Lynchburg.
@stefannico
@stefannico 2 года назад
I would like to recommend "generation war". Its a german made movie series. A German "band of brothers" so to speak, following 5 young Germans and their expectations of the war and Nazi Party and how those images are challenged throuhout their lives as soldiers, nurses and propaganda instruments. Its the german perspective on WWII through the eyes of "nomal germans" at that time.
@matthewhill1284
@matthewhill1284 Год назад
Ive always been curious. I believe Eugene Sledge or maybe RV Burgin pointed it out in an interview. Japanese soldiers, when they ran out/retreated from/banzai'ed out of a trench or bunker they were always either holding their pants up with one hand or wearing only a loin cloth and carrying their weapons in the other hand. Why were they doing this? I haven't been able to find anything else out there....Love the channel!
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory Год назад
They lost so much weight while under siege that their clothes no longer fit.
@fritziematt31
@fritziematt31 Год назад
There is a talk by Sledge where he thought the Japanese did it as some kind of bushido thing so their pants would fall down when they were killed. Not sure if that's a misunderstanding on his part though. I think the talk I am thinking about is on RU-vid from the Mises institute.
@pvtjohntowle4081
@pvtjohntowle4081 Год назад
Australians played Tom Doss and Captain Glover in the movie. -Hugo Weaving and Sam Worthington respectively.
@NiamhCreates
@NiamhCreates 2 года назад
I love how angry you got at that one scene. 😆
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
They earned it!
@mikebox
@mikebox Год назад
Worst , based on the real story films ever. I wish Hollyweird could get it right. Great story, and the life of the actual character is better than what was put on the film. Sgt York was a better film.
@texhaines9957
@texhaines9957 Год назад
In your classes, do you talk about the US Army Air Corp/Force? If so, do you go beyond the pilot to what the ground crew and other support was doing? For example, what was the optimal size of the ground crew for a P-47, or P-38, or eventually a P-51? What bombers were used before the B-29 and B-32? How old were the Grandpa's there? You might be too young for 1st hand discussions, but my Dad & Uncles were in that fight, some in ET and others in PT.
@Spider-Too-Too
@Spider-Too-Too 2 года назад
yeah, why were they being so mad at some dude who wants to be a combat medic
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
It's all about towing the line. Conformity and expectation in wartime.
@billdavis6900
@billdavis6900 7 месяцев назад
I used to live in Lynchburg VA. To be honest, I didn’t like living there and I’ve never been back but historically there are some interesting things in that area. Just South of Lynchburg is the Appomattox Courthouse where General Lee surrendered to the North in the Civil War. Lynchburg also borders Bedford County which has a WWII memorial because quite a few young men from Bedford were killed in Normandy on D-Day because they were in the 29th Infantry division. Poplar Forest which was Thomas Jefferson’s summer estate is also there just outside the Lynchburg City Limits.
@paladinsix9285
@paladinsix9285 Год назад
At the 25 minute mark, your critique that one of the 3 people communicating is using a "field phone" to talk to people using a "Handi-Talkie" (SCR100, I think). You are incorrect. Watch the scene again. The second person is using the handset (aka "hambone") of a "backpack" radio being carried by the soldier in front of him. (SCR200, if I remember the model correctly). These were FM radios that were in service from at least mid 1944, and were compatible. They are SCR (US Army) Signal Corps Radios. Lighter in weight than the earlier (and still in use late in WWII) AM radios. The FM radios were significantly lighter, but had very limited range, and "line of sight" (transmission blocked by ridge lines, hills, and often urban terrain; but could be used in woods, or even the hedgerows of Normandy). I agree with many of your criticisms of this movie. But you are mistaken about the "field phone" (to be clear, you generally cannot talk between a radio and a field phone; but in this scene they are all using Radios.) [FYI, it is possible to connect the wires of a field phone into the intercom system of some AFVs, and thus use a field phone to communicate on a radio net. We did this in the US Army in the 1980's and 90's, when setting out OP/LPs. We secured a reel of phone wire to the back of an M113A1, connected one end of the wire to receptacles on the back of the vehicle. Inside the M113, we ran a length of commo wire from the inside receptacles to the Junction Box/Intercom system of the VRC-64, or later SINGARS FM radios.
@DocM.
@DocM. Год назад
Although I love this movie and Desmond Doss, it is *EXTREMELY* disappointing and frustrating how many inaccuracies there are. The real story is far more incredible than the liberties taken. Just like what Jacko Willink said about Navy SEALS, the movies try to make it look cool, but you don't need to pump it up its already cool
@dingodestroys5185
@dingodestroys5185 Год назад
This movie was really terrible. The acting was phoned in by all the actors and the writing was basic and derivative. It’s the kind of war movie you’d expect from the 1950/60.
@jamesvalenti9288
@jamesvalenti9288 6 месяцев назад
Actually, the reason why they have older people play the part of WW2 troops is because back then, 18-20 year olds looked older. They lived through the great depression, and had worked in factories as kids. That ages you. In fact, when Steven Spielberg was directing Saving Private Ryan, he purposely casted actors a little older to fit the part.
@axlefoxe
@axlefoxe 3 месяца назад
Hey so, on the age of soldiers in the 77th, I thought the same when I first saw the movie, BUT I recently found out, in fact they WERE abnormally old for the time, they were an experimental unit, an experiment to identify what would happen if exceptionally old men had to be relied on in war. They were a highly decorated unit and ultimately was the most effect army infantry unit in the pacific, earning the the nicknames "old bastards" and "the 77th marines" (the latter being a HUGELY complimentary title if you know anything about US marine culture). The reason they were on hacksaw was they were the unit thrown at the biggest problems (because they solved them every time) the army would send units in before them to figure out where the friction points were and then once they knew, then the 77th would solve them.
@wolfeusmc2011
@wolfeusmc2011 Год назад
I'll tell you this truth from the Marines and i know the Army is the same way. The rules of Corpsmen and Medics. 1. Good men are going to die. 2. Doc cannot save everyone. 3. Doc will go through hell and back to break rules one and two. In the infantry.....we love our Docs!
@chancyhales5684
@chancyhales5684 9 дней назад
11:07 in regards to the age thing, the 77th infantry division was made up of older men, averaging somewhere around 30. The Fat Electrician has a great video about them
@shannynrew6633
@shannynrew6633 Год назад
Yeagh they filmed part of it in my mainstreet in Richmond NSW, about two blocks from where I'm sitting now. Shut down a chunk of the town leading into Christmas. The affected shop owners loved it.
@johnsteele2986
@johnsteele2986 Год назад
I HATED this movie. It is the biggest load of crap, I find it truly offensive. Absolute garbage.
@Phil-ey6yh
@Phil-ey6yh 8 месяцев назад
You don't pull grenade pins with teeth. You CAN pull teeth with grenade pins, however. 😅
@bradcouch457
@bradcouch457 11 месяцев назад
Could you do a review of Clint Eastwood's WWII movies Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Jima?
@captain7290
@captain7290 Год назад
I'm a Seventh Day Adventist and I'm not aware of the church being pacifists. We are known for keeping the biblical Sabbath as taught in the Bible.
@johnard611
@johnard611 9 месяцев назад
Although I also find the boot camp DI introduction scene to be cliched, Vince Vaugh elevates it to "Stripes" level humor in my opinion. Equally funny to me is seeing how tiny Vaugh's steel pot helmet looks on his huge head.
@lawrencemay8671
@lawrencemay8671 2 года назад
You don’t have to kill to prove your bravery
@nuwon8154
@nuwon8154 10 месяцев назад
I'm from Gadsden,Alabama, which is 10 minutes from Piedmont where Doss lived the rest of his life.
@lawrencemay8671
@lawrencemay8671 2 года назад
I’m a History Buff of WWII. I know more about WWII than 90% of Americans. Too many watching prime time TV
@babychicken2645
@babychicken2645 5 месяцев назад
Relaxin Jackson's where I did my training back in 2014!
@SpookyDeer
@SpookyDeer Год назад
Andrew Garfield acts his butt off in this movie but a lot of it feels unfortunately corny compared to other war films. Doss' story is an important one and I wish that it got a less stereotypical Hollywood treatment
@nuwon8154
@nuwon8154 10 месяцев назад
I know it isn't technically American History, but can you do an episode on The Bombardment?❤
@garyfullmer4353
@garyfullmer4353 5 месяцев назад
The fat electrician does a piece on the 77th ID. As I understand it they were an experimental division of older men even middle-aged men. I believe their average age was 33 years old as opposed to around 23 years old for other units. They put that unit together to see what older men could do and if they could actually go through the same training that the young man did. As I understand the oldest volunteer for this unit was 50 years old. Not only did they perform as well as the young man but at one time during a series of war games today defeated a younger unit. I forget the exact details when they got to the Pacific they were sent to support a marine unit. The Marine Commander didn't like that and was going to just send them out piecemeal in platoons to replace a depleted marine platoon. In fact the Marine Commander had the army general over the 77th relieved duty and put a marine in his place. One of these 77th unit that that was attached to a marine unit ended up saying that they were up to marine standards. Essentially he started calling them the 77th Marines and the Marine general actually started calling them the 77th Marines. If you want to hear the story better told what's better details you should watch the piece that the fat electrician does on it.
@unity1016
@unity1016 2 года назад
Have you ever seen This Land is Mine? It's a 1943 movie about a Nazi occupied country.
@johnschuh8616
@johnschuh8616 4 месяца назад
Given how religious Doss actually was. protests about “religious tone” is a bit annoying. Reflects more on your own biases?
@janecarlo3916
@janecarlo3916 11 месяцев назад
I watched this, off the back of seeing the film. When you weigh up the realistic, and the not, I ask myself does it matter? It’s a film, there going to be plenty of editing unless you can make it a lot longer. In general I thought it was pretty good, there’s one bit I had to laugh at. It was in the hospital tent after his initial heroics. He asks about his friend. If you look at the feet of a man on the edge of the camera, his boots were as clean as a whistle. 😀 But I enjoyed it, does it matter about the unrealistic parts, no. There was always going to be a Hollywood shine on it. I thought it took nothing away.
@christopherwilson8713
@christopherwilson8713 2 года назад
Typical Mel Gibson crap. He’s only got one story so, if you’ve seen one of his movies you’ve seen them all. This is just the O D green Braveheart.
@nancyblair6187
@nancyblair6187 6 месяцев назад
He is so stoic and professional throughout the whole video, but Mel Gibson got him with the legless torso machine gun charge. No historian could get through a Gibson movie without swearing, and he picked a good moment for it!
@jackettjake
@jackettjake Год назад
First things firsr, I love your series here, you do great work and everything. However, yoyr comment about using a fallen comrades as cover for yourself. I have to disagree a bit as in the Marines, while entering a rooms if your buddy got hit in front of you, you use his sacrifice to protect you and push into that room. Everyone of us excepted it and if you were the one to go down, knowing your buddy behind you had a little cover from your corpse gave you something to habg onto in death. Now i haven't died so im sure its feel differently if you were in that situation but thats what we told ourselves.
@snook279
@snook279 Год назад
Nice video but this is one that has many errors on your side. You referenced the documentary about Desmond but you also said that the guy with his legs blown off could not survive like shown in the movie. I can not remember their names but I think there were a couple of men who survived the battle because Desmond did not leave them for dead. Also, you keep making the comment that the actors look too old to play the part and I suggest you go and talks with vets that experienced combat and look how the experience has aged them. Try not to make that comment in all of your videos. Thanks
@TR00P
@TR00P 2 года назад
What a great video! I really enjoyed the movie but was shocked at how much they got wrong (which I didn’t know until seeing this) also hated the torso scene. No soldier would ever do that and how much does a torso weigh!? At least 100 lbs. Andy, thank you for service.
@seamusmcsorley7638
@seamusmcsorley7638 2 года назад
Horrible, overly dramatized film. I can’t make it all the way through.
@cleverusername9369
@cleverusername9369 2 года назад
17:49 in the background we can see an Iowa class battleship, either _New_ _Jersey_ or _Iowa_ herself, more likely _Iowa_ given the timeline of the Battle of Okinawa, this probably would've been mid to late April of 1945. _Iowa_ had just relieved her sister ship _NJ_ around April 15. So that's all true and correct. My problem is, why would she be that close to the shore? Her main battery could hurl nine 2,700 lb projectiles upwards of 20 miles, and as a capital ship there's simply no reason for her to be that close to shore.
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
It boils down to Hollywood antics. On a side note I was recently on the New Jersey and was hoping it was, but sadly it had no identifying numbers on it in this movie
@cleverusername9369
@cleverusername9369 2 года назад
@@ReelHistory by any chance did you happen to get to speak with Ryan Szymanski, the museum curator? He runs an excellent channel here on RU-vid all about the battleship New Jersey and other naval history topics, very educational and interesting. Thanks for responding and thanks for the video, fantastic work as always! Please give my best and my thanks to Chuck, his involvement in your breakdown of "The Pacific" was absolutely fantastic. Great work, keep it up!
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
It was his channel that made me want to visit when I was in Philly a few weeks back! Sadly he was not there. I'll let Chuck know, he's almost done getting his own channel set up.
@billyrhoads8375
@billyrhoads8375 Год назад
I’m going to keep commenting until you re-upload the real history episodes of the Pacific
@Tommyk801
@Tommyk801 7 месяцев назад
That greese gun has a massive mag. Ey? Couldn't show 1 reload? Von do a realistic tac reload lol
@judithcampbell1705
@judithcampbell1705 11 месяцев назад
Thank you 💛 for this excellent breakdown
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for tuning in!
@tadmurphy7436
@tadmurphy7436 2 года назад
Hey Jared, my literal reaction to the BAR scene was a verbal out loud mind you by myself in my living room scream. Are you f****** kidding me. So thanks for pointing that out. I can't explain as someone who loves history and movies how much I enjoy your channel. I think I mentioned this before. I would like to see you break down some movies post civil war Indian wars era. What are my dad's favorite films I will fight no more forever. And one of my favorite films dances with wolves. I know one is loosely based on actual events and the other one is pretty much really fiction. But I'd still love to see it. Looking forward to next time thanks Jared
@philwilliams8328
@philwilliams8328 Год назад
Leave it up to Mel Gibson to overdo a picture with corny Hollywood B.S.
@pjny21
@pjny21 Год назад
It would be fun to do a video of Top 10 Worst BAR Scenes in film. So preposterous haha
@actaeon299
@actaeon299 2 года назад
If you run out of ideas for movies.. what about "The Finest Hours" (2016) For the Coast Guard.
@ReelHistory
@ReelHistory 2 года назад
Jared owns that one. Thanks.
@actaeon299
@actaeon299 2 года назад
@@ReelHistory Thanks. My dad was a Coastie in the 60s. And it seems they get forgotten. I was Navy, so I still joke with him about training wheels on their ships. But I respect the sh** out of them for what they do.
@phillipallen3259
@phillipallen3259 Год назад
A note about the grease gun. Although cheap to produce, if I remember correctly, the last conflict the US military used grease guns was Operation Desert Storm. A small handful of tank crews still used them. Special Operations units and National Guard units may have used them later than that. They were simple and easy weapons. They are still being used in smaller countries today.
@weswarden2216
@weswarden2216 10 месяцев назад
Yea.. I cant say i cared for this movie too much. Everything jus seem way over the top and so many korny seens. Not to take away anything from the guy the movie is based on bc that man was a true hero but this was not a good movie in my opinion
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