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History with Hilbert - How did Amsterdam become the Jerusalem of the West?

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In this reaction, I watch "How did Amsterdam become the Jerusalem of the West? | History of Jewish Amsterdam (1500-2024)" by ‪@historywithhilbert146‬
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@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

27:14 OK, so, I'm not an expert in Old Portuguese, but I am a native Portuguese speaker and I have some 5 years of intensive experience of reading Portuguese records from the 17th century onwards (and a few from late 16 century, though really just a few), besides what we all learn in school from old Portuguese authors from the 15th-16th centuries (Fernão Lopes, Gil Vicente, Luís de Camões - today is his day, by the way -, Garcia de Resende, Pêro Vaz de Caminha, etc.). And what I can say from the little I have seen from Dutch records from the Portuguese Jewish community (and, granted, it's really just a tiny bit) is that there are really no mentionable differences between the language in both sets of records - except, of course, the fact that the Jewish records have a lot of Hebrew-derived words while the Portuguese records (usually vital records from Catholic parishes) have a profusion of Christian (and specifically Catholic) jargon, as one would expect given the difference religious settings that originated those records.

@gwae48 2 месяца назад

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 enjoyed that !!! (as for your "talking too much" : you're not, pls talk away : all valid reactions and corrections !)

@Lana._I_am_me 2 месяца назад

There is the trend to do knee-jerk reaction videos, but I enjoyed the thought out response you were able to give by deciding to do a reaction video on something you had already seen. It allowed you to create a better video and go more in depth into an interesting topic.

@alexandracruz5243 2 месяца назад

I really enjoyed this history reaction and I definitely would watch more of this kind of videos.

@nicholeann2886 2 месяца назад

Me too!

@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

12:25 Very good record: good calligraphy, clean and clear writing, very easy to read. I wish even half of our parish records were this good...

@marcytrost2498 2 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing the book "The Hebrew Portuguese Nations In Antwerp And London At The Time Of Charles V And Henry VIII: New Documents And Interpretations", a book I didn't know I was looking for! Just ordered it from AbeBooks!

@nicholeann2886 2 месяца назад

Love this reaction video! You should do more like this!!

@IvoTichelaar Месяц назад

During archaeological excavations in the old Jewish neighbourhood in Amsterdam, they found Portuguese pottery and furniture. Not immediately after the expulsion, but quite a while later. The archaeologists concluded that the Portuguese Jews laid low after arriving, and when they were more established started honouring their Portuguese heritage. So we know with some certainty that Jews managed to leave Portugal.

@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING 2 месяца назад

What a history with all types of difficulties and then spreading across the world, I enjoyed learning about it. As a consequence of my research on the Canary Islands, there were Jews that settled there from both Portugal and Spain. They mixed into the population, and I've been able to connect some when mentioned in their grand-children's records, but difficult to acquire.

@r21167 2 месяца назад

Very excited for this video, my boyfriend allegedly descends from this community. I got quite far in his family tree and did indeed find Jewish ancestors in Amsterdam in the 17th century! But I'm utterly unaware of the history and can't put my findings in context yet.

@gwae48 2 месяца назад

hi ! still need to thank you very belatedly for a personal reply you gave me (pre-covid I believe so a while back), where you also referred to the excellent records in Amsterdam. Thnx.👌🏻👍🏻

@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

29:30 In Portuguese, "dotar" is a verb, not a noun. It may mean different, but related things. It may be more generic, meaning "to endow" or "to grant ways and means" (like when you create an "Endowment for the Arts" or something like that, or when the US declaration of independence says that "all men [...] are endowed by their Creator [...]"), but it may also have a more restrict meaning: "to grant a dowry". But there are cases in Portuguese where a verb becomes also a noun ("jantar" is both "to dine" and "dinner", "comer" is both "to eat" and "food").

@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

P.S. I made a quick search and indeed the word "Dotar" was originally used as a verb even in the name of that Jewish charity, but then it started being used as a short form of its name. The full official name of the charity was "Santa Companhia de Dotar Órphãs e Donzelas Pobres", or "Holly Company to Endow Orphan and Poor Maids". (BTW, in this case, the only difference to modern Portuguese is the use of "ph".)

@Lusitani74 2 месяца назад

Dowry = Dote

@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

@@Lusitani74 I know, that's why I mentioned the fact that, strangely, they used the verb ("dotar") and not the noun ("dote").

@annatomasso5226 2 месяца назад

Hope everyone is having a great day! I will have to watch the playback

@CinHK 2 месяца назад

It was a very good vlog.

@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

19:31 The leaders of the community don't specify what Espinosa said that was so bad because just mentioning it would be sinful by itself. The Portuguese original text, by the way, is delicious (and, again, extremely easy to read).

@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts 2 месяца назад

All of the entries in the Escamoth books are pretty vague, focusing mostly on the decision by the board. Here is a link to look for anyone who wants to look at the entire first Escamoth book - archief.amsterdam/inventarissen/scans/334/5.1.1.1.1/start/0/limit/10/highlight/1

@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

@@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts Again, I think in all those cases they were avoiding the spread of heretic ideas by not mentioning them in much detail.

@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts 2 месяца назад

Definitely not the case because we are talking about all sorts of decisions in these books, including mundane ones. Herems are actually quite rare and never as harsh as the one on Baruch Spinoza. It is just how they wrote these decision books, they did not include any sort of information on discussions or which Ma'amed members were for or against each decision, they were just noting what final decision was being made.

@joykendrick6156 2 месяца назад

I took an Ancestry test and it says I am 17% Portuguese from Azores and I am 1% European Jewish.

@joykendrick6156 2 месяца назад

I took a My Heritage DNA test and I got 26.4 Azores Portugal and the Jewish didn't appear.

@joykendrick6156 2 месяца назад

My Portuguese family name is Rego. Father's sides father.

@GazilionPT 2 месяца назад

@@joykendrick6156 That surname is almost certainly* a microtoponym: it indicated where inside a village your ancestors that first used that surnamed lived (it was almost like an address). It means something like "Ditch", i.e., a small trench created to channel water for irrigation or for public consumption. ___________________ (*) I say "almost certainly" because other origins are also possible, like one of a few villages actually called Rego.

@mompofelski4191 2 месяца назад

Excepting for their DNA - do the Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews worship differently or have varying beliefs?

@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts 2 месяца назад

Very minimal differences that mostly have to do with customs of how to run services and read prayers - known as Minhag. One example of a well known difference is defining Chametz during Passover - with Sephardim being okay to eat certain grains (rice, corn, legumes) whereas Ashkenazim are not allowed to eat these grains during Passover.

@alphadog3384 2 месяца назад

I know that add mixers with DNA profile can change, first list as Germanic, (small percentage) then another update (small percentage) Danish and Scandinavian ( knew some of that from stories heard from grandparents) Now it's completely gone from my profile which l knew it can happen as more individuals test out. Welcome to the tribe (we could be related)!.

@gardenlady1293 2 месяца назад

Hello Vais Cousin! So these are our people? WOW!

@EzraBenKhazar 2 месяца назад

Excellent video! I have some sephardic ancestry from the colonial period as well. Do Dutch people carry Jewish ancestry because of this time?

@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts 2 месяца назад

There wasn't a large enough mixing of the Jewish community with the general Dutch population to make it common for Dutch to have Jewish ancestry, although it isn't uncommon for some Dutch to discover hidden Jewish ancestry tied to the War. I've connected with multiple cousins who discovered Jewish ancestry, often with various stories of a grandparent or great grandparent of unknown origins who had been hiding as a Jew, or even some who were taken in/adopted by non-Jewish families.

@toon5562 Месяц назад

@@ProfessionalGenealogistReactsMy own ancestry is a good example. I am from the Netherlands (the Hague) and a lot of my ancestors came from the Netherlands and Germany. My grandmother is from Amsterdam and a few months ago, i found out she also has Jewish ancestry. The Jewish line stopped around the late 1800’s, but it is still interesting to learn about. I haven’t found any Sephardic ancestry yet, only Ashkenazi. The most surprising fact i found is that i am connected to Uri Halevi. He is one of my ancestors. Unfortunately it’s hard to find where his great-grandparents came from. I am sure more Dutch people should research their ancestry! Maybe they will also find Jewish ancestors connected to important Jews. So interesting to learn about the Jewish community and its history.

@IvoTichelaar Месяц назад

@@toon5562 I have many ancestors in Amsterdam and was a little surprised that all my known ancestors are Dutch as Dutch can be. However, I am mistaken for a Turk or Moroccan all the time, my daughter as well, and there is a persistent rumour that my grandmother was an illegitimate child of a Jewish father. Perhaps at some point, a DNA test is in order.

@VoiceAcrossTheField 2 месяца назад

On ine if my DNA tests my top match was Spain at around 36%. I don't know of any Spanish ancestry. But i was always told my dads side was "black-dutch". I don't know of any Dutch ancestry either.

@loislewis5229 2 месяца назад

My daughter-in-law (dil) can trace her ancestry back to Alonso de Estrada, the illegitimate son of King Ferdinand II and his mistress Luisa de Estrada. Since you are an expert on Spanish Sephardic Jews, can you tell me if there is Jewish ancestry on either side of his parents. Also it is reported that Alonso married a converso woman named Maria de la Caballeria. Any information would be greatly appreciated or where I can find it. Thanks