HOI4 Man the Guns new Naval Guide (Hearts of Iron 4 MTG Expansion Tutorial) 

All the poor naval controls were fixed in 1.6.1. You can now merge easily, assign missions in a better way, and cancel missions with one click. Also the XP gain was seriously nerved.

Who’s up for the next dlc “in the sky’s above” where air units are made x999 more complicated?

I never understood the old Naval mechanics to begin with. It's good to be on the same level as everyone else now.

Other companies patches - some fixes. Paradox - NEW GAME.

I did notice an error. The strike force mission basically means that the ships sit in port until an enemy is spotted in the area they are assigned to, and then they go engage them. This is so they don't drain all your fuel. Not really an issue as the US, but a problem for pretty much everyone else. So you have small fleets doing patrol missions to spot targets (not sure if aircraft can also spot) and then strike force to destroy. Also, mine laying will primarily be a way for smaller nations to combat bigger navies. If there is a high likelihood of a battleship being damaged, or destroyers being sunk because an area is saturated with mines, a country would be more hesitant of sending their ships there.

FML.. I thought the previous naval mechanic was the toughest.. FFFFF.. I'm gonna suck at Hoi4. Time to return to eu4..!

>When every country needs a co-op just to play the navy mini game added in the new DLC T_T

I am happy they’ve encouraged less doom fleet stacking with fleets moving around meaning for good cover you need to have multiple fleets *looks at England*

Stop it! ITS SO PAINFUL TO SEE SOMEONE PLAYING THE DLC AND KNOWING YOU HAVE IT IN 3 DAYS

My First game with the DLC (multiplayer): Decided to go as naval focused fascist dutch that just built submarines. 1st Month of the war 2 dutch submarines kill over 6 british battleships with no losses, the rest of the british navy is completely destroyed by dutch subs and a small german capital ship fleet. 2nd Month of the war- we sea lion Britain (player) and capitulate it. 3rd Month-6th month We naval invade france (player) and push through belgium, france falls. Naval casualties Dutch casualties-

I can really see the naval invasion support actually coming in handy with the Axis and Allies at least in terms of late game stuff. Let’s say Germany has the opportunity to invade the US but wants to take the least obvious route to nock on the front door. Similarly, if Japan has the range, I foresee this being extremely helpful to them. Similarly, this can make the invasion of north Africa relatively interesting for the allies especially if it works out to being effective to halting UBoat interventions across the atlantic. Edit: SENPAI NOTICED ME AGAIN?!

Nice and quick introduction to MTG. Great video!

Calm and informative as always. Thx! This will really help to get things going in two days.

Great instructional video ... can't wait to get my hands on the DLC.

A short story from my Hoi4 game last night with my friends playing as UK while the rest played USA, Empire of Japan, and German Empire Hirohito: "You've been quite Alistair, what are you upto?" *me, an unintellectual, not knowing how the hull system worked and trying to put 3 task forces into 1 Home fleet but sending them to reserves* Neville Chamberlain: "I have no fucking clue dude"

i barely learned how to use navies pre-MTG and now they made it twice more complicated FKFKFKF

Great video. Thank you. I had no idea how to remove patrol areas. Now I do.

I don't think fleet exercising will be nerfed since to upgrade your ships you need alot of naval xp. Because of this naval xp can also be used to hasten naval doctrine research and is needed alot more than before.

Thank you for your time and effort explaining these things about naval, aerial and martial mechanics. I keep on being destroyed by London and their attrition strategy or the Soviet plane's gaining air superiority because I have to patrol shipping routes but now at least I know how to actually do something about it. I wish paradox understood the premise of a tutorial so they didn't leave all that work to RU-vid but that's part of the fun I guess.

Learned a few key things... thank you very much

This video has totally helped, finally understand the fleet system now

Great video, thanks for putting in the effort !

This was so helpful thank you

Does that mean that i can't stack 1000 submarines and pulverize everything in my way ?

Thank you very much!!

Thanks for the guide. Maybe you could do some videos explaining the new multiplayer meta for man the guns?

Great tutorial. Thanks.Could not for the life of me figure out how to remove zones

Hey a little tip for mine laying. It's best to use it to ensure that you can navaly invade big naval nations such as America or Japan. But you've got to start doing it early. Lets say you're italy and you know you need to invade gibralter or suez to break out of the Mediterranean. You would start laying mines around Gibralter and Suez when at war with ethiopia so that you can combat Brittains better navy later. It's also good defensively. Like playing as Germany and laying mines in the Brittish chanel.

Nice Video thanks.

Thank you for this guide, I absolutely have no idea how this new system worked until now. Thank you

Dustin thanks for the heads up. Looks like a lot of new features but it really helps to have this video. Now my only question is how the hell you got the dlc before the rest of us. Do you have high contacts in Paradox. Ha, ha, ha.

But does spamming battleships work

aye this helped me so much thx man! I kept getting my fleets destoryed by the japanese lol

Thank you for the explanations. I was completely lost because of this new system. Now, I feel more comfortable with this update! Keep making your videos, they are awesome!

Easiest way to combine: select the 2 fleets you want to combine and click and slide the ships you want to move. I think of you right click it work too.

Can't buy it yet but good to know the mechanics, thanks! edit: Hey i liked the last stream you did, when you gonna do another one? Thanks.

1:30 you say there are 41 light ships, but there are 27 light ships 41 is the total number of ships.

Thank you

That's quick xD

I played a game as Britain, went the King's Party route and all that guff. I concentrated both the Home & Med fleet's together, sent them off and left them a few months while I utterley crushed Italy in Africa. When it came to making preparations for invading Sicily, I took a look at the fleets and found to my horror they were operating at much reduced capacity; Some 30 destroyers lost with a number of crusiers, both fleets in port licking their wounds. Granted, I had no air force contesting the skies or naval bombers harassing the Italian fleet. A re-think was required to my attempted doomstack............

Right shift is the words of the day, my goodness I was mining the world's oceans due to me not knowing how to unassign. Thanks

shift + click your fleets lets you mark all fleets to e.g. merge them all together.

Also worth mentioning that there are further ship upgrades in the electronics research tab.

On naval invasion support once you choose a zone in the ocean how do you cancel your fleet going there

Just started playing with Waking the Tiger, My version doesn't have the "Request License Production" option. Is there a work around so I can use your strategies?

Nice introduction! I've got one question though, is it just me or is the automatic reinforcement and strike force template mechanics broken? I made three fleets with the same template and gathered all remaining ships in the reserve fleet. The template included 39 ships but the automatic reinforcement screwed this up big time. Every ship was in the same area but one strike force got 7 ships, another got 11 and one got 48, what's up with that?

Really impressed with this DLC and the patch update. Lots to get into and HOI4 was getting a bit stale. I'm not a big fan of Stellaris (I fall asleep half way through sessions lol) however what i did like was the combat and how ship designs/upgrades worked. So to add this in here with some of the complexity of real ship building is really cool and for the most part its been implemented well. It look a little while to figure it all out but its not that complicated :)

I might be late, and you might say this to another video but: 1/5 means that 1 task force out of 5 that are assigned to patrol that area is currently in that area. Each task force will go from one to another area (I had 2 TF in 3 areas and they beehive in that way). I had 2/2, 0/2 and 0/2 and that means that they aren't distributing around. Reason why you have strike force is for main fleet don't consume fuel, while smaller task force are searching for enemy. Not problem for USA with plenty of oil, but oil was stretchy for me in France.

I wonder if the type of guns on a ship effect offshore bombardment. I designed a cruiser with several level 2 medium turrets for this very purpose. I believe the more guns and heavier guns, the more effective the bombardment support. Like a cruiser with just a few light guns and lots of anti air i believe wont be as effective for bombardment? Seems this way to me in man the guns. I also wonder how to escort troops just moving on transports from one friendly port to another but through enemy war zone areas.

Strike force is stationed in a port. They only deploy when the patrol of the zone makes contact with the enemy.

When your America don’t know how the new navel combat works and as a result the Japanese now control Arkansas “Alright time to get one help”

Love that I don’t have to watch 6 hours of footage to learn to have fun in this game.

Best hoi4 RU-vidr ever !!!, Keep it up

7:31 it doesn't work like that in game. i have 1 task force and patrol 2 region but they doesn't travel other region. they only stay 1 region

You forgot something really important about the missions. All the missions will cost you Fuel per day, except for Strike Force. With Strike Force, your task force will stay at a port costing you no fuel. And when an enemy fleet is detected, the task force will leave the port, costing you fuel per day during their battle until they go back to the port, waiting for the next enemy to be detected. This allow you to use your fleet without completely empting your fuel reserve, but even better, this give a important purpose to smaller ship. Those ship were near useless in the past in big battle, but now you need them to patrol and detect the enemy fleet at a low fuel per day cost. Without smaller ship, you either need to spend a lot of fuel for your capital ship to patrol, or risk to never find the enemy and never engage it.

Well this is...interesting for certain. The treaties and patrol system are an unexpected change. This new update is a real leap, the elimination of ship classes in favor of making your own really from hulls in my opinion is completely unnecessary and kind of hurts immersion. I think they should have just given the option to upgrade existing ships. I’ll miss seeing the names of these legendary ship classes in my tech tree.

hoi 4 v1,3,3 still the best , i got the waking the tiger as last update and game is so fucking hard that you can play with major countries only . and it crashes all the time ,, v1,3,3 i played till 1960s and didn't crash once , i took over the entire world with fking albania on iron man mode .. now on new updates i'm with germany on easiest difficulty and can't win war first try ,, i gotta load fking saves or start over like 9 times ,, it's fking bullshit

only quiestion i have is how many for example sumbarines should be together in one fleet and in one attack.. i have submarines like 15+ - together .

Is there anyway to move a fleet from one theater to another? Was trying to create an Atlantic and Pacific theater and move the fleets into the right ones but doesn't seem to let you.

You can literally drag and drop ships from one task force to another if you assign multiple task forces a single commander. When you select the main fleet, all task forces will be listed below it on the left hand side of the screen, with the small little images of the number of ships in each task force. You can then simply drag and drop these small images to merge or edit your task forces very quickly as opposed to scrolling through task forces manually, removing them, then adding them etc.

Moving ships around and sorting fleets is a huge pain in the ass if your fleet has more than a hundred ships in it. Microing Britain is even worse than the US because you've got nearly no oil (meaning no setting orders and leaving them alone like you used to be able to) and your fleets are spread out all over the globe. As is I really wish ships automatically redocked when taken off of an order like training. Having to manually move them is a huge pain, especially if I'm busy holding off a German invasion of Greece while having to fight the German and Italian naval forces. Also we need to be able to give orders directly from the fleet command level. Having to click all of them separately to give them the same order (go back to ports plz) is a pain in the butt. As for mines, spam your oldest destroyer or cruiser with nothing but mine layers or minesweepers. Get a fleet of about 30 of them and just leave them alone in a region you'd prefer the AI not go since they're good for sinking/damaging things when your fleet is out of oil and your planes are all grounded. They're also handy for ensuring naval dominance of a region on your coast where the enemy wants to land but can't just stick 3000 plans over. Minelaying in the channel is also a good idea while the french are still around as Britain. Edit: In regards to minesweeping, that's probably going to be more of a thing in multiplayer games in areas like the Pacific, Med, or North Atlantic. As is it's generally pointless to sweep heavily mined areas as they're generally in zones where the AI will spam you with bomber planes and you wouldn't want to sail into anyway.

what is the best way to protect Capitals how meany of each ship sould compise a task force, i played us and went to war with UK the killed my whole fleet ?

Fun game: take a drink every time he sais task force in this video

Naval Invasion Support is the best.

New possible naval meta: mines. Maybe then submarines will be more useful.

I recommend minelaying because I went with New Zealand and broke off from the allies then went to war with Australia and japan, though their navies were millions of times larger, I had 14 destroyers and 33 submarines (named the 33 Miner Boyz), and I gained naval superiority that way. It's useful for tiny nations.

For some reason with the command Instantconstruction you also built 1 ship or something like that each day no matter the cost or the dockyards you had, wonder if that's still in.

Just hold shift to select 2 things and then g to combine

At least it seems that fleets are a lot more similar to armies.

the best navy i find to be EDITED because i did a lot more testing SS = full of torps , best engine a good sub is the 1940 one (the 1944 uses cromuim) snorkel -> although radar is nice ..in my testing i found the subs too easy to detect 1936 DDs wrecked my '40 and '44 subs with snorkel, the 1936 DDs could rarely and barely kill a few go with snorkel because it allows your subs to get away safer if they meet any trouble DD = 2/3 Depth charges , Sonar , a torpedo launcher , best engine , dual purpose artillery -> these are fast and will easily troll torpedo nuke ships because they engage fast also subs -> they don't have good sub detection but i'll get to that later LC = one Heavy cruiser battery , two light cruiser batteries 3 planes , radar , best engine , best armor , fire control 0 you can also slap a torp launcher/another battery/depth charge depending on your needs -> this is your detector right here it has insane detection (subs and surface) , excellent speed while also having great firepower against destroyers and other Light Cruisers -> having best armor means 10 armor...Light guns of Light cruisers and DDs will not penetrate !! HC = one plane , 2-3 heavy batteries , 1-2 light batteries , Radar , best armor , best engine -> this is your DD and LC remover ...the firepower wrecks those armor is 10 so light guns can't penetrate and it's great speed allows for fast engagement Heavy hull = BATTLECRUISER ARMOR (BC) do not go for BB armor because it's speed drawback is too big 1-2 planes , Radar , best engine , Fire control *can't tell if the reliability hit of the better fire controls is worth it or not be sure to keep it's speed around 30 knots to allow it to engage faster !! put guns on it to have it get 40 armor piercing..not more if i remember correctly , 2 artillery III and 2 artillery I will get you 40 AP and strong damage (40 AP can pierce anything short of a superheavy) The reasons i support BC armor over BB armor are the following: -speed makes you engage faster thus dealing more hits -30 armor means only heavy artillery and superheavy artillery will penetrate (the armament of BB and SHBB) the 40 armor of the BB armor set is useless because those same heavy and superheavy artillery guns will penetrate because they easily get over 40 armor piercing so there's no point in trading your speed for armor that offers no improvement -the older BBs and BCs (usually the starting ones or early ones the AI loves to spam) are still incapable of piercing you with 30 armor ..so going for 40 is overkill -cheaper SuperHeavyBB put enough batteries to keep it around 25kt speed (don't go full artillery because the ship's speed would be so low that most battles would be over before it would even be in range) fill the remaining slots with AA and planes because those don't affect speed this ship has so many slots that you can get around 3 planes on it after you're done arming it to the teeth also get radar on it i suggest going for best fire control here as this ship stays in the back and doesn't draw too much fire to suffer from the reliability loss CV (carriers) engines and deck space ... going for carrier naval bombers mostly (you can get some carrier fighters but don't go for more than a third of the capacity as fighters) Notes: SPEEDS: DDs must be faster than 40kt LC must be ~40kt as well HC ~35kt BC ~30kt SHBB ~25kt DETECTION: detection is averaged over your ships so having one ship with good detection and 100 ships with bad detection screws you over thankfully the LC i mentioned are cheap enough and have so good detection that you won't get messed by the averaging RELIABILITY: i understand that reliability is more like a chance the lower it is ..the more chances are that whenever a ships takes a penetrating shot, that shot is a critical hit keep reliability high on your DDs and LC (maybe HCs as well) because these are the ones that take hits your BCs can afford having a bit lower reliability because they're more in the back your SHBBs can lose the reliability as they don't take many hits ..and even if they do..they have armor and HP to shrug it off so go with best fire control on them as their hits are extremely damaging thus valuable SUGGESTION: if you lack fighters on CVs or if you lack CVs entirely ...go with a separate cruiser that is full of AA and it has little armament in terms of naval artillery ( Fire Control as well !! ) keep it around 30-35knots to keep it a bit behind the gun cruisers in order to not get shot at but not be too in the back you will drown planes with a handful of these this approach (versus the CV with a few fighters) is desirable if you play as a smaller / weaker nation in terms of naval dockyard amount and resoures MINES: don't know stuff about them as i did no testing i suggest getting 1-3 DDs with max minesweeping if you're meeting them never met them in single player though FINAL WORDS: -if you took the time to read all of this you're godlike -the designs and roles of the ships i came up with come from hours and hours of naval combat feel free to improve on my comment if you have ideas by dropping a reply

any way to get a discount on the dlc? do you recommend to purchase it right away or wait for patches?

How do you build a new fleet from scratch it’s so confusing now. Also how does that fleet composition manger work I thought it would just build the ships you said the fleet needed on its own but it doesn’t. You have to build them manually then assign them to the fleet. Is it just like that or am I screwing up?

Please help, when I assign a fleet to strike force a sea region it always stays in dock. I tried to force it by just right click on a region without assigning to strike or convoy raiding but yet still when I assign to strike force it went back to dock.!

How do you do that fancy shit at the start of the video with the theatres and like sub armies?

I have a one question. Did you play a long game? And if you did please tell me if you noticed any optimization improvement.

I love you Dustin! ;) (Not in the creepy way)

Holy Crap thank you so much for this. I was lost on how to manage my fleets but now I feel I have the basic knowledge required to attempt to learn this new system.

The one question I wanted answered was not addressed. Did they fix the actual naval battle mechanics? I mean I assume they did but I don't want to buy this DLC if a battleship death stack can still wipe out anything and everything. I want to know if the rock-paper-scissors mechanic that was supposed to be intended for naval combat was implemented or not. If I get man the guns will subs beat battleships? Will battleships beat light screening ships? Will light screening ships beat submarines?

That's not actually how strike force works. That's how search and destroy used to work but now strike force sits in port until a fleet is sorted and then moves out to engage. It's to keep a large fleet from consuming an absurd amount of fuel. You use either a small task force of light ships to find the fleet and then your big boy task force of Capitol ships will sail over to intercept it. I believe fleets picked up by land based radar will also be intercepted. Long story short fleets/task forces on strike force CANNOT find enemy fleets by themselves and need another means of finding them before they will leave port.

Actually the only navy focused new video I've seen...

Is good dlc. I can’t read but I think this is a good video friend

Is there any place where we can see you stream hoi4?

my opinion about creating fleet in this DLC is : DD is the main body of a navy now ... you need patrol fleet : DD , they can scout and if you set their setting at low risk , they would avoid everything too hard to chew with fast speed that you don't worry losing 5 ships into the horder of 50. Remember to add some CL with planes to increase the spot power btw W/O DD , Subs gonna chew your convoys alive , DD are best for convoy escort over Pacific without worry that some wolf gonna throw your soldiers down the sharks sub and DD can lay eggs now ... not sure how many would be effective but then ... if you don't want your Pride of Fleet ship randomly retrofitted into submarine ... better have some minesweeper with them My idea of design Sub go with full Torps, still see a reason to create egg laying subs instead of wolfpack Escort DD : multi roles guns + depth charges + torps Scout DD : DD gun + depth charges + Sonar + Radar Minesweeper : AA + Minesweeper Minelayer : 2 egg layers since you would only build some CL Fleet Escort : full spot (radar + sonar + catapult) + AA CL Scout : radar + plane catapult + guns Coastar : they are so good as naval supporter as i built them with medium guns and AA, you don't need to have best ship to bomb some punny beaches anyway

I want it Now!!!!

The lower number on a fleet is the total number of ships, not just light ships

I wanna know how to transport troops over the sea (not talking about the naval invasion) I had a lot of issues play as Japan because my troops couldn't find the path

Wow..could you show us the other map modes in the future :v...

Wow it's been almost a year since this dlc released

Hopefully this helps because I have no idea what I am doing with navy.

how come for some heavy ships like a heavy cruiser theres only 5 building slots but for light ships theres way more???

Only problem with navy atm is if your playing a mod with no navy and the focus tree gives you none your just fucked. Your forced to import ships to train with. Because dispite knowing how to build destroyers you can build em without training on them

I need help cause im playing country that has no navy and try to build that it says that i have no modules and even when i raged on that and use cheats research all posible modules (torpedos and stuff) exept ships nothing happed what i need to do?

Thanks now i know how to win

Are these things going to change if I don't buy the dlc? Because tbh for me hoi4 is complicated enough as it is and I really don't want to put up with for example the fuel.

How much of the update will be available outside of the DLC?

my 38 destroyer on patrol mission got fucked by Japanese navy and my 120 battle force that were on searching and destroy mission sit right next to it and didn't even fucking flinch. this DLC is so fucking tough.

Is the naval system for the most part gonna be the same as before cause I didn’t even really get the previous naval combat system

dude you should really make sorted play lists for your vids would hep newbs like me out a lot thx btw.

isn't strike force missing supposed to keep your fleet at port until an enemy is spotted by Patrols in the designated area?? I don't think you can actually spot the enemy if you have the fleet on Strike only because they're just sitting at port :/

The carriers look like submarines on the research/production screen, that better change in the next few days or I'll be annoyed.