@@GenerationTechI'm rewatching the last few episodes of rebels and the symbols on the stone DUME gives to Ezra is exactly the same as the ones in the Ahsoka show, such as in the end credits and the star map, these are the exact same symbols from the jedi temple that holds the entrance to the world between worlds. Once Ezra goes to the temple with DUME's help the symbols are everywhere. There's definitely a connection here
I don’t think it’ll be in battle. She may choose to become one with the Force whether it be self sacrifice or old age but in doing so she fully becomes the new Avatar of the Light. Not the Daughter but something new
@@geigercourtierI mean it’s part of the “world” of Star Wars. It existed even when George owned star wars (force ghosts), so why should they neglect that?
I don't think so. She's great but there are plenty of other Jedi who could've done the same. And didn't. She can't just become another Mortis God. If she does, Anakin better already be there. Maul as well. But again, I doubt it.
Honestly, this just makes Thrawn even more impressive. He has none of these superpowers, he's just a normal man, and with nothing but brains, guts and an army, he's taking on demigods.
Yeah well they've already neutered him. The most brilliant tactical mind in Star Wars history apparently "needs to be told" when "the right time to return" is ... which is why he's apparently been in hiding.
@@MrMikellsof88it seems that thrawns return was somewhat a lie. Thrawn wasn't in hiding but was banished, yet he managed to set in motions what was needed for his return. A man that literally is planning via time and space the whole his return was likely propoganda lies meant to keep the warlords in order long enough until Thrawn returned and reigned in the lot.
@@metal_fusionDidn't watch Rebels and not buying the Mouse House propo that it's canon. Thrawn remains untainted. This also retcons my earlier comment because I also don't consider Arseokay canon either. Mouse House just continues to destroy this franchise so I will stick to what was accepted lore before KK started tarring it with her faeces.
@@metal_fusionYou act like Thrawn got outsmarted on a regular basis in Rebels. The first battle he lost was of subordinates betraying orders, the incompetence of Governor Price and a force entity that quite literally cannot be explained. And then he lost in the final episodes because incompetent price, space whales and Palpatine wanting Ezra to open the path. He lost twice, and both through no fault of his own. He quite literally doesn’t have an equal in terms of military strategies and tactics and it was shown clearly
When I was a kid I thought Ahsoka was a disposable character and I was fully convinced she would die at some point in each season of the show. Surely she couldn’t survive Order 66?? Well she did… and because she stuck around so long she became one of my fav characters lol
Ahsoka is proof to me that Filoni is, actually, a good writer. Some people say he's overrated, and some people think he's god's gift to Star Wars, but the guy really does know what he's doing. Introducing an INTENTIONALLY annoying character, then getting the audience on board with said character by giving them a REAL arc where they learn, grow and get better? How many modern Hollywood writers could actually pull that off? In the post-prequel Star Wars fandom, no less. It's nothing short of a minor miracle when you think about it.
@@metal_fusion No, this is called "your confirmation bias". You can pick apart any long-running sci-fi TV show and point out a billion times this character or that one should have died. ALL main characters have plot armor to one degree or another. Especially in a show aimed at teenagers and young adults, and set in the middle of a war. Besides, I'm praising Filoni's handling of Ahsoka's character arc and relationships with other characters, not how specific action scenes went down.
@@metal_fusion Yes, a Mary Sue. That's why she got her entire squadron smoked, causing her master to apologize on her behalf, and got demoted. That happens to perfect characters all the time. Just accept that you don't like the character and leave it alone. Let others enjoy liking things. If you actually want to debate why the character is good or not, leaving a 10,000-point bullet-point list is a poor way to begin the discussion. If you want to share your opinion, go ahead and write a wordy reply. But at least TRY to be nice about it. I absolutely HATED the sequels (8 and 9 in particular). If the sequels are being discussed, I'm at least gonna try to be polite about it. I could tell you everything I didn't like about them without using buzzwords like "Plot Armor" and "Mary Sue", too, even in regards to Rey.
This sums up my feelings on Ahsoka perfectly. I thought she was an irritating teenybopper type character at first (and she WAS) but watching her grow and develop led to her becoming one of my favorite characters and a key part of Star Wars.
Ahsoka is probably *the* only character aside from maybe Rey that I think has impenetrable plot armour…since her duel with Vader, I haven’t once felt that she was in any danger of dying. Dave literally created another realm between time and space to bring her back, and then he went on to say that just because you hear her talking to Rey at the end of TROS doesn’t necessarily mean she’s dead…let’s be real, Ahsoka is never dying.
@@alucard8433 Dave will probably make up some reason for her to live longer than usual, like *“oh the Daughter’s spirit is inside her and it’s extended her lifespan”* I would not put it past him to say something like that so that Ahsoka can go on to not only reach the time period of the sequels but to even go past them.
He really did't need to... it was beyond strange they felt the need to create time travel to explain how she and vader's duel didn't end in her death.... the building was exploding! They got separated... EASY explanation. Only due to the nerds insatiable bloodlust was it necessary to invent time travel to explain why she's not dead. Despite popular opinion, Vader is not a god, and he's WEAKER than he was as Anakin, while Ahsoka is in TOP FORM. Frankly, she woulda beat him.
With the Father, Son, and Daughter gone, and Anakin refusing to take on the role of Warden, a power vacuum is created. The Cosmic Force probably sees Ahsoka as someone that can help fill in the vacuum and act as a regulator. She may even be serving that purpose now whether she realizes it or not. Perhaps, the Cosmic Force needs her for a war against the Yuuzhan Vong and or Abeloth. Have you noticed that her eyes are becoming more and more white like Bendu's?
I dunno, I doubt it. Mortis was gone after what happened, and if they're all gone, there's no need for someone to take the Father's place... cause the Son and Daughter are also dead. But regardless, Anakin better already be a Force God if Ahsoka becomes one.
Idk why people think the Vong and Abeloth are gonna show up in Canon. They're way too dark for disney. Not to mention logistically impossible with the sequel trilogy in the way
I think her death by Anakin or 501st would have been a way to crack Anakins conviction to the darkside and open up the way for his future redemption. I like seeing older Ashoka but I think the best stories often have meaningful deaths of known characters so I hope she gets one at some point
@@kadegetslaid634 partly agree at least for Han, leias death was a choice, not forced.. she was killed off prior to her actors death (scene was filmed and clearly was a big part of that movie even if the movie is less than stellar) personally i think star wars doesn't entirely need more death, just needs the deaths to be meaningful (Kylos death rubbed me the wrong way in this regard, felt like ray dying would of been better for this.. dying to redeem someone, the last of lukes jedi and his teachings, as kylos redemption to the light, though that's just me)
@@insomnia2869 agree on that second paragraph for sure. To me Hans was meaningful in the story but I knew it was mostly bc he was tired of SW. The only meaningful death in Disney that comes to my mind is K2-SO. I guess i like knowing the end of a story but I don't necessarily want Ahsoka to die, especially if its pointless. I'm sort of against her being invincible though.
It seems pretty clear that Ahsoka had an exceptionally strong connection to the force from the start. It’s one of the reasons Yoda assigned Anakin to be her master - she needed a teacher who had the capacity to keep her ego in check and realistically shape her perspective as a Jedi. So it’s not unreasonable to suggest that if circumstances had been more “normal”, she might have grown to eventually become as powerful as Mace Windu or even Yoda. Why not? Would we be complaining about plot armor if we were talking about Mace? I seriously doubt it.
There’s a really interesting theory out there that Ashoka will be the daughter, and Skywalker will take the place of the father to maintain the balance. Credit to Stupendous Wave (and probably others).
I overall like Ahsoka, she's powerful without diminishing others, she stands on her own as a character and was developed well. I think in the current series she's a bit too stoic, but with episode 4 we may be given a release from her of all the pent up guilt so maybe we'll see a much renewed and even more powerful ashoka afterwards...so I'm hopeful. And I like how Sabine couldn't pull the light saber back to her so glad there will likely be an evolution there too.
I really like the mysticism of Star Wars. It makes it so much deaper. I resently watched through Rebels for the first time to prepare for Ashoka and the series just got better as it went on and more of that less explainable stuff happened. It kind of gives Star Wars a real religion with gods and demigods, which makes sense because one of the place George Lucas took inspiration from was classical Greece.
Maybe the World between Worlds is how Dave retcons the sequels. Think about it, they left themselves the ultimate Mulligan. We make too many changes at the fans don't like, we just have a character go back into the world between worlds and fix it.
I doubt Filoni will let anyone from his animated series work be seriously harmed. Cares too much about his OC's. Ahsoka being rescued from Vader and Sabine shrugging off a gut impale prove he is too attached, as the Jedi Code warns against.
Dave Filoni considers it a serious problem that Ahsoka isn't the protagonist of Star Wars. If he could, he'd retcon it so Ahsoka is the hero of the OT lmao
She can, the Force just needs her alive for a bit longer. I doubt she'll become a new "Daughter" of Mortis. I feel that they, as Celestials within the physical plane, can't just be replaced so easily. Now, if she does, Anakin better already be there, and if those 2 are there, the likes of say, Maul, should also be there. Can't just be her. Why aren't the likes of Kenobi or Yoda "Mortis Godlike"? Not saying Ahsoka isn't capable or OP in her own right... but even she isn't built like that.
@@GenerationTech I know you said The Shauman Of The Whills would be on the same level as The Mortis Gods but I’d argue they’d be even higher Then The Mortis Gods and most force gods and spirits because The Whills which they serve are the top Gods of The Star Wars Multiverse. They push energy into the cosmos that is The Force only to feed off of it. A natural form of balance. They’re also responsible for created The Chosen One: Anakin Skywalker to defeat The Sith for even trying to corrupt that balance.
@@GenerationTech I will say I disagree with your take on Ahsoka being a chosen one because the force has given her opportunities to live. Being the chosen one in Star Wars isn’t based on how much chances you get to live or how much power you receive. A chosen one in Star Wars is given a purpose to fulfill and according to George all life forms are given a destiny but get to whether they choose to follow that path or make their own. Meaning that even a chosen one like Anakin gets to choose whether he wants to bring balance or not. Anakin had potential for greats amount of power, George even said if Anakin didn’t loose to Obi Wan on Mustafar he’d The King Of The Universe. It’s even known that Full Potential Anakin is the most powerful force user ever but this potential and these abilities that are beyond most and everyone else aren’t guaranteed to him. He can make decisions that could take these opportunities from him. As a matter of fact it was his choices in The Complete Saga to chase power and become the most power that took away his opportunities to actually become The Most Powerful. Being Powerful wasn’t what made him The Chosen One, it was The Job The Whills set in the force for him to do, and if The Force has no grand destiny for you that decides the fate of existence like it did for Anakin then you maybe powerful but you wouldn’t be a chosen one. Unless The Force inherently has a job for Ahsoka it doesn’t look like she’s a chosen one despite her current power level.
@@DaleESkywalker Gandalf came back because he had unfinished business and his task was not yet complete. It was also a way to grant Gandalf more access to his power, with less limits. Of course he was not to fight the war of middle earth, rather just aid in buying time for Frodo to destroy the ring.
To me it is completely within the greater Star Wars lore that Ahsoka is "chosen" by the Cosmic Force for a certain task, or tasks. In the now Legends book "The Courtship of Princess Leia" Luke legitimately dies on Dathomir. (Legends Dathomir, not Canon Dathomir, they are very different as are the "Force Witches" of the same planet) There is this beautiful moment where the force itself decides that it just isn't Luke's time yet and revies him. In the aftermath of this his force abilities are enhanced. This takes place not long after the battle of Endor.
I started watching Ashoka and realized pretty quickly that I was missing some of the storyline. Because I never was a fan of cartoon serieses I never watched the clone wars. But after doing some brief research I found that I had to watch this and the other cartoon series in order to get the background of Ashoka that I needed. The final episodes of season 7 were so powerful it taught me never to underestimate cartoons again.
Unpopular opinion, I know, but, how about we fans, collectively, just enjoy the works of total fiction we're presented with, and, stop ruining everything by picking apart every little thing, and, over-analyzing it?
Diehard fans who don't want time travel to be canon could easily be appeased by the fact that the World Between Worlds might operate on eternalism. It is not that Ezra saved Ahsoka, but that Ezra _always_ saved Ahsoka, and by the same token, can't save Kanan because Kanan's sacrifice got him to the World Between Worlds.
Yes there is a force but there is a positive and a negative aspect to it, a ying and a yang, if everyone is doing negative things the energy is dark,negative and if everyone doing good the force is positive… the Jedi and the sith are tips of the life energy pyramid so to speak. George did a fantastic job combining the spiritual aspect of Christianity and Buddhism with the idea of “anima mundi” world spirit. So basically the Jedi are a combination ninja/samurai and Teutonic knights and are guardians of the Anima Mundi.
It occurs to me that calling anakin and perhaps ahsoka "the chosen one" is inaccurate. More apropriate would be something like "the choosing one" Seeing as they stand at the fulcrum of events and decide where the balence lies.
You can call Anakin the choosen one. He was supposed to bring balance to the force which he did. There were numerous Jedi and light side users while few Sith and dark side users. Anakin evened the playing field which wasn't good, but it was balance. I do agree Ahsoka is not a chosen one.
@@brianschlicher59 wouldnt call the Jedi good either tho, sending kids to war, brainwashing toddlers with cultlike behavior and doctrines, not letting yourself feel natural emotions the Jedi and the Sith both are sides of an extreme and they are both bad in different ways Sith consume without compassion and the Jedi's lack of compassion consumes look at Grievous for example, thats a monster that the Jedi helped to create by inaction too fearful to help a burning world that was ravaged by war because something-something leads to something-something darkside
I believe Ahsoka will die in the same way Obi-Wan died, by sacrificing herself for the greater good. You can hear her voice during the sequels talking to Rey so we can assume she was dead and one with the Force at that time but the sequels are such a mess that one can't know for sure. Btw, love that glass and all the vertical lines, it looks cool.
Star Wars uses a lot of "fantasy" tropes with it's storytelling and I've always liked that but every sci fi trope also exists in this universe. That's what I hope the Asohka show does lean into the "space magic" side of Star Wars. Seeing other Force using factions that exist outside or inside the Star Wars galaxy would be amazing.
I remember hearing that when Filoni was asked if Ahsoka was dead in TROS, he said “in a sense.” Maybe she goes through some kind of ascension and becomes a second Daughter of sorts?
I know this is just speculations but I really see Ahsoka trading her life to save her friends and more particularily Ezra, in a way to return the favor for saving her. So by the end her will and legacy will live on through Sabine (her apprentice) and Ezra (her friend) to finally defeat Thrawn.
TROS may have confirmed that Ahsoka will eventually die before the Sequel Trilogy, as her voice is among those who spoke to Rey during the duel against Palpatine. It should be noted that all the other Jedi voices in that scene were the voices of Jedi who have long been deceased, going as far back as Qui-Gon Jinn.
@@jarretrausch Because Filoni hasent actually made any reference or story arc in regards to that comment. Until he actually puts it into some form of medium, its just words. In 5 years when he is involved with some other project he could think differently. Also, just because Dave says something in regards to unwritten story, does not mean he has the actual authority to make that happen
I think Lucas and Disney have slowly realized that killing off popular characters hurts the bottom line and it really paints them into a corner as the galactic storyline continues. From Boba Fett to Maul on down to Andor. They either have to come up with a way that those money-makers survived, or make up a story of their adventures prior to their recent demise. Probably hit them that Ahsoka was good for business because she appeal to a wide demographic. She won't be becoming one with the Force any time soon 🤣. Money is the ultimate plot armor.
Interesting....Why not Tano and Anakin be the chosen one....their is a balance , like the God like Son and Daughter Of Mortis... Disney creators , did say they were gonna change the SW lore ....this is just another chapter of change...and Fans &Viewers, will adapt.
@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah I get that but I kinda hope that the theory Abt the other galaxy turns out to be true and that’s a new story they can focus new films on
We know it was heavily speculated that she may have died by the time of sequel series from the end of The Rise of Skywalker hearing "her" among the voices in The Force speaking to Rey.
@@richardwilmer4550 also storm troopers and battle droids don't count as they're mostly faceless hordes, not proper characters in the story. Finn is the exception, guess what, he survives a light saber attack in 7.
@@turtlesandmoreturtles Maul would have to disagree with you, Rebels season 3 episode 20 Twin Suns, Obi Wan kills him with a lightsaber. Not to mention the numerous Inquisitors who were killed with lightsabers.
Never liked the Mortis arc, never liked the Chosen One stuff from the prequels and Clone Wars. And never really liked timey wimey realm, because time travel just opens such a big can of worms, which the writers were not considering.
She's a mentor now, Sabine is the apprentice, and we all know that mentors die for the apprentice to advance. It's part of the hero's journey, and if nothing else, George Lucas stuck religiously to Campbellian archetypes. Perhaps she will even pass the Daughter's spirit on to Sabine, finally awakening some real force abilities in her.
To me Ashoka has same kind of immortality as Obi Wan, although you don’t hear too many people talk about Obi Wan’s immortality. Anakin has even both saved and try to kill both of them.
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Personally I’m ok with it if it can all be connected to the chosen one balancing the force. Ahsoka is brought back because she’s an important example, teaches someone, fight/kills someone, save something,etc. Whatever it is has to cause a domino effect leading us to the Second Death Star where the Chosen brings balance back to the force by saving his Son, Sacrificing himself, & killing his master Sidious.
Ahsoka was brought back because Dave is a shit writer who can't stand consequences. He had the perfect opportunity to end her story with Vader really cementing that whole "Vader killed Anakin" thing that otherwise just seems like a lie told by obi wan so like doesn't immediately put that lightsaber through him in ANH. But no, he saved his favourite character and briught in fucking time travel into star wars...
Why should a writer kill a character? If you have a well developed character you make stories about said character. Strange to just kill the character.
@metal_fusion7748 He was not that well developed. Anyway, his death furthered the clone story. He didn't die just because some people thought he was overused. It had a purpose. As a writer, you don't kill off a character just because you want to move on, that's elementary writing. In fact I believe that was the reason they killed Kaanan, and it was an unnecessary death that hurt the story more that helped it. Same with Han Solo's and Luke Skywalker's deaths.
@@moabman6803 Anakin Skywalker was a great character who died in RotJ. And his character still exists through flashbacks and stories that served a purpose. Is your ideal way of killing off characters should be used to evolve the story or used as plot conveniences?
@metal_fusion7748 Usually you evolve the plot around the characters. It's usually the characters that draw people to the story. So I would say it's a delicate balance to both. If you kill off important characters you risk alienating the audience completely. That was done in the sequel trilogy in my opinion. Luke was killed off to simply make room for new characters as you would like done to Ahsoka. Ahsoka to the female Star Wars audience is like Luke Skywalker. I dont know if i know of any female fans that are tired of her character. I personally think that killing Luke alienated me from the sequels, but I'm sure some people such as yourself were glad to see old characters flushed out to move the story to new characters to take on a new version of the empire. Luke had been the focus of many many Star wars stories in book form, and he was very powerful which probably put a similar bad taste in the mouth of fans who felt he was overpowered and overused. I personally didn't feel that way about Luke, nor do I Ahsoka, but that's just me.
*all the other Jedi show up as Force Ghosts* Ghosts: "Hey, we're going to help some dumbass beat Palpatine again by talking to her (I know, it's weird.) You down?" Ahsoka: "Oh, hell yeah."
I know this video is from months ago, but she AGAIN ended up in the world between worlds when Anakin pulled her in following her fight with Balan. Her story continues.
The way I see it, Star Wars has always had a very spiritual side, and I'm very surprised that Time Travel is basically the only major Sci-Fi concept not to have made it to Star Wars after all these decades...at least, not in a way that I know about. So I'm open to all the World Between Worlds bullshit, if its written well! As for this pattern, I wouldn't mind if Ahsoka cheated death one more time for a trinity to match the Mortis Celestials, or perhaps ultimately sacrifices herself or chooses to become one with the Cosmic Force for the Light. Despite the messy sprawl of storytelling across all these different sources, the way you explained her overall arc and this pattern of Cosmic Intervention was extremely satisfying and compelling from a lore standpoint. I have high hopes for Ahsoka, and your videos have me very excited for Star Wars for the first time since Bad Batch Season Two, so thank you - I guess we'll see where this goes!!
UNPOPULAR OPINION: I personally think she should've been killed at the end of the clone wars series because of the fact that she has no more important roles she needs to play. She's already gone through her well-written arc in the clone wars and matured into a loveable character. By then she also served her purpose as Anakin's apprentice and one of his only friends. I think her death by the hands of the 501st under her command would've been a good wake-up call to clone wars fans that the show and all the stories it had to tell were at an end. The war is over and the characters it created died with it. The fact that she's still alive and gets to nullify the importance of Luke Skywalker proves her plot armor is thicker than the Felucian Jungle.
Maybe she was meant to, but when Disney bought Lucasflm and the show was canceled it never happened. then in rebels ahsoka appears and can no longer be killed when season 7 of the clone wars came out.
This. All of this. I truly believe that _that_ was Ahsoka's narrative arc, that she was supposed to have been killed either during the Clone Wars or in Order 66. Since initially, her character was universally hated, her inevitable death in Order 66 was looking like a big possibility (and honestly should have happened). But then she became an immutable fan favorite and after that, the showrunners were afraid to off her. And I like her, I just feel like she's been overused, imo. No hate on anyone who feels differently.
@@mburks3748it also would have set the dark tone of the Imperial reign if Asoka, Anakin’s last link to the light side other than Luke and Leia were gunned down by the clones we followed all throughout the series without a second thought, a lot like what Warhammer did to Yarrik, at the height of his popularity, he faced down a demon primarch, a foe he had no reasonable chance of beating, and instead of pulling off another miracle, he was cut down in an instant
I think she has a bigger purpose than ever though after the clone wars. She is showing that being a jedi doesn't necessarily mean you need to be joined to a order.
I’m an og fan, saw the original back in 77’. As soon as the world between worlds was introduced, I couldn’t help but be disappointed in that direction. Time travel/portals usually don’t turn out well in the end. I usually roll with filoni’s storylines but since that happened…I keep noticing all these $hit story beats and decisions. There are too many to list, and I don’t want to bring up the Sabine stabbing that was a mere flesh wound…🙄
With the time travel aspect of the world between worlds, I would say it's not time travel in its "classic form"' The windows or doors, are timelines that are specific to the person that is looking into them. The Voices you hear are in some way connected to them. You hear many voices of people that Ezra hasn't met, you can even hear Jyn Erso at one point. This connects with Ezra as he is part of the fledgling resistance that eventually gets the death star plans. Ahsoka embodies the light side of the force due to her getting the daughters life force in Mortis to bring her back to life. This governs her behavior but due to what transpired with why she left the Jedi and then order 66, she has become very stoic and less flighty in her demeanor..
If the cosmic force’s main purpose is to keep balance, then the fall of the republic wasnt because of corruption, or Palpatine’s machinations or even the decadent Jedi, the deciding factor was Darth Bane’s rule of two. Jedi were actually the ones bringing “unbalance” in the force towards the light, so they were the problem and Anakin actually fulfilled the prophecy in aiding in their extermination.
Um... did we sll forget that she died in season 3 of The Clone Wars?! Yes, she got brought back to life but that is besides the point. She was straight up dead!
