Hi Tom As an Origin customer for many years and after watching your great video it seems like you may have left some of the minor finer details out of the video. After accessing the link above I realized that that was a personalised link only for you as it has your name in the UR, but I did find the actual ev-power-up link, but never managed to progress further than the message that popped up " there has been a problem, please contact Origin Energy". I contacted Origin with my Tesla details and my account details and they informed me that I had to have an Origin 360 Charger or an Origin 360 subscription. As I have neither, could you please enlighten me (and possibly others) as to how to obtain an Origin 360 subscription. Here is their reply - Hi John, Origin EV energy plan eligibility criteria not met. Thank you for expressing your interest in the Origin 360 EV energy plan. As much as we would like to welcome you aboard, we’re writing to advise you that our checks have shown some or all of the eligibility criteria have not yet been met. In order to be eligible for the EV tariff you must have one of the following products: 1. Origin 360 EV Charger or 2. Origin 360 EV Subscription. If you feel there has been an error in the evaluation process, please reach out to us on emobility@originenergy.com.au Kind regards, Josh Operations Specialist - EV Charging, E-Mobility. 321 Exhibition St, Melbourne VIC 3000
Hi Tom, it sounds like a great plan but I decided to ask Tesla Customer Support about known issues and this was their reply: “For your enquiry regarding Origin EV power-up program, we have found that some third party charging apps keep the Tesla vehicle in an awake state (amongst other issues caused by 3rd party software) which is actually detrimental to the BMS system as it needs to get readings not just when in park, drive or charging. But also sleep. Unfortunately as we do not manage those apps we can only advise with regards to what we can observe and control - which is essentially NOT to use a third party charging application.” We didn’t think it was worth the risk so we decided try the AGL plan instead, however their feed-in tariff is down to a woeful 3ct per KWh in QLD…
Another timely video Tom. Origin was my previous provider but I ditched them to change to AGL Night saver EV plan. It allows me to charge my Tesla M3 rwd ( Gen 3 wall connector) at the same rate 8c per kwh (phase 3). Although these rates are only available between 12 and 6am, Im able to take advantage of the 8c rate for all my grid electricity needs for those six hours. eg dish washer, washing machine and dryer etc. Daily supply charge of 76c, Solar FIT 7c. I only use the Tesla app. Theres no restriction on the AGL app. General tariff 32c per kwh. As I dont have a Power Wall the TOU tariff was not as favourable.
They told me they didn't have any EV plans.... I have switched to AGL. 33.6 c peak and 22c off peak, about 10c cheaper peak and 6c off peak, plus, 8c 12-6am. Gas is also about 30% cheaper.
That's what I like about the AGL EV plan, no limits on what you can do in the cheap time. I have the EV charging, the house battery recharging for when the expensive tariff kicks in at 6 AM, where here in SA, it goes upto 50c a kwh. In the winter months, I have the heater on a timer to run a while before I get up.
Ovo ev plan is better. 8c between 12 to 6am, free between 11am to 2pm. price works for the entire household, not just the EVs. Peak may be more expensive but you can avoid it with a home battery
As someone who’s currently researching ahead of my first potential Model Y purchase, your videos are fantastic. Thanks for being genuinely informative with your videos!
TLDR: Origin EV Power Up Beta will NOT charge your Tesla to 100% for BMS calibration. MAJOR FLAW for Tesla LFP battery owners. We all know Tesla RWD models have LFPs that is recommended to charge to 100% at least once a week to calibrate all the little cells to 100% and make BMS happy. The flaw in Tesla's part is this calibration continues to happen for another 20 mins to an hour even when battery hits 100%. The problem is as soon as Tesla hits 100% (while still charging and calibrating) Origin stops the charging on the vehicle. I noticed this morning and I manually started the charge. But because Origin is constantly checking my car battery status every 5 minutes or so, it stops the charging again thinking it's fully charged. The origin needs to either quit taking control of the charging schedule once the car hits 100% (as the car is intelligent enough to stop charging when it is fully charged) or look for a different variable in the battery status that says "Charging Complete" when the BMS is successfully calibrated. Most users using this feature wouldn't know this is going on because the car and app will still say 100% when they check or get in but in fact, the crucial calibration part would not have had enough time to charge each individual cell to 100%. Can't even force (instant charge) Origin to keep charging the vehicle because they just stop the charging within 5 minutes of them noticing 100%, I had to manually start charging multiple time across the period of 45 minutes to actually successfully calibrate my batteries to 100% at 5AM yesterday morning. Other thing I don't quite get is if I'm charging the vehicle during the day on solar (no ppwerwall), how do they differentiate which portion of my charging is done via solar and which portion of my usage to apply the 8c charging while still maintaining 32c for the rest of my house. If it's a cloudy day and my Tesla and Washing Machine are occasionally pulling from the grid, what portion will be 8c and what portion will be 32c? Hmmm...
OK I think I understand your point now ... someone else asked about this earlier in the comments but your explanation makes sense in that the Tesla LFP vehicles require extra time to fully calibrate the BMS 💡 - This may be something that Origin will have to address if anyone from their tech dept is watching/reading these comments
You have picked up on exactly what my son has experienced also regarding the bms not calibrating on this origin plan,it will be a interesting to see if they can fix this
@@LudicrousFeedthis is actually an issue for LR & Performance batteries too. I’m in the process of calibrating my M3P battery and the car states “charging stopped” instead of “charging complete”. The car ticks over to 100% but still shows it needs 30 mins to complete charge, however the origin API takes over and cuts off the charge session. Origin will need to find a solution for this.
Hi Tom. Can you confirm if the following is happening with your setup? If you set your charge time by 9am (for example) and disconnect your charger earlier, say 8am, without the Origin session completing naturally, it will NOT apply the 8c/kwh rate for the interrupted session. It seems you need to go past the session time for it to apply the discount. Not sure if it's just my Tesla or if its happening to others as well.
Hi Tom, a (hopefully) quick question. If Origin retro-actively charge you 8c/kWh for charging your car based on the charge put into the car and you have a smart charger in place so that it diverts solar generation into the car instead of exporting to the grid, would Origin then charge you for your own generated power going into the car? I guess a way around that would be to only charge the car at night, but for those of us with excess solar without a battery that want to charge our cars off excess solar generation, if Origin is basing their consumption and therefore charging costs to us on what they see in the app, how can they determine if the power is being supplied by them or by our solar system? Or am I missing something?
If you drive regularly with a decent daily commute and require daily charging then Origin ⚡️plan would be good. My daily commute is 5km (round-trip) and currently only charge once every 2-weeks to 80% (M3LR). Currently with Amber Electric and have a $425 credit so far this year…. Waiting for bi-directional charging ⚡️
Hi Tom. Do you know if this available in Perth? I thought we only have Synergy. I too have 8c per kWh but only between the hours of 9 to 3 during the day
Neat to see this in action. In practice I wouldn't really want to have my energy provider that tightly integrated with and controlling my energy usage though. Feels like they'll do a rug-pull in future which I have experience with Origin doing. I was looking into Amber recently and if you have something that can coordinate your solar/battery/charger like Homeassistant you can do some neat things like use the free periods to charge your car and battery, then export your battery to grid during peak hours to sell at a higher rate. A bit more complicated but at least you then have the control in your own hands.
Hi Tom , I just had a iq solar charger installed for my seal performance, have you ever had any issues with the solar assist function pausing and restarting ever 30 seconds or so ? Mine keeps throwing a suspended by evse pause, gunna call the guys tomorrow but thought I’d ask
Yes I had to have a firmware update to correct it hence why I’ve held off doing another review … I’m doing further testing - let me know what EVSE say about it
Funny you say that, the app keeps saying a firmware update that I have done multiple times but doesn’t seem to do anything, how did you update the unit Tom via the login online or just the phone app?
I'm with AGL in Melbourne, also with a RWD Y - just the simple 8c/kWh tariff from midnight to 6am. I use the Tesla UMC with a 32A tail - charges at 7kW / 50km/hr. The Origin plan seems more complicated than it should be. For me, I just plug in when I get home and schedule charging from midnight - it's that simple.
Tom,The origin setup will NOT allow the battery to calibrate once it reaches 100% ,so you have a major issue because it thinks it’s finished but as you know that when 100% is reached that it needs to be left for BMS to calibrate. FYI
Thanks for making the video! Does the savings history show up for you straight away after each day of charging? I recently joined the EV Power Up and have been using it for a few days now but haven’t had any savings showing up in the app. Any idea if there’s a buffer time before the savings summary starts appearing? Thank you!
Hi Tom, How much for Ocular wall charge include installation fee is it? Which company you go with ? I want get one too. 'Cause just got Seal Premium last week but home charge (1.5kw) take too long. Thanks & Appreciate
I suggest getting a quote from either EVSE Australia (they offer installations also) or from your local electrician as costs can vary depending on how long the run is from your power board to the wall connector and whether it's single or three phase
I am on amber and charge during the day. I do 400km Monday and Tuesday and then charge Wednesday. I usually pay 3-4c per kWhr. A couple of weeks ago I got paid 4c/kWhr to charge. I have an 11kw charger so only takes 4-5 hours
I’ve been with Amber since they started and to this day still don’t understand how I can get the low prices quoted by them (and yours here). The live price tracker is never that low and I’m always wondering when and how to actually get those lowest rates I apparently can get. Feel like a total smooth brain and deciding what to do before my new Tesla shows up this month. I already installed the wall charger, just need to decide on staying with Amber or switching to someone else.
@@benbodhi if the sun is shining you should see under 5c or less from about 11 through to 14. On weekends is when it will get really low and sometimes swing to negative prices. The only issue is that’s the wholesale cost not what you end up paying because of all the other charges. I’m keeping my eye on some of these other deals as a result. Because I drive around 800k a week I have 11kw charging so I can get 50kwhr into the battery in the times when power is cheap. I use charge HQ which talks to the amber app and the Tesla app to control charging based on price.
@@paulsimpson8990 thanks for that! I don’t have solar or a battery, just a wall charger for the car and regular old grid with smart meter since amber put it in. Will def be linking charge hq to have a play with prices to charge at, and comparing to other providers. No lock in periods makes it easy to switch until I find the right one once I’m charging the car. I’d be doing about 500kms per week. Regardless of price, can’t wait. Just contemplating the price optimisations while I wait for delivery 😂
Thanks for this. I'm still dithering over whether to get a Tesla Y or not, but I did look into the pricing of this plan. Putting it in perspective for a current ICE owner, I recently got a 50.000km service on my Outback at $800, plus hire car plus time and effort to get the car there and then pick it up and then take it back for corrective work... For a Tesla Y LR, the charge cost under the Origin plan would equate to around $6.40 per "fill". So for the cost of a significant (not a _major_ ) service of an ICE vehicle, I could run a Tesla LR Y for at least 55,000km. (Assuming my arithmetic is correct.) Hmnn... I think I should stop vacillating.
Is there a way to unlink the Origin apps? What if I move to another energy provider? The apps should provide an easy way to remove access. I cannot see the Origin / Enode listed under third party apps in my Tesla account too
After my first nights charge it charged to my limit by 5am but I set 8:30am as my departure. Weirdly there is no savings talky in the origin app. Emailed Origin. The UI needs work.
Good test to see that it charged to your departure time 👍 I didn’t see the “Savings” box show up until a few days after my first charge but now it updates regularly 👍
I'm in Melbourne and picking up a MY RWD next week. Fortunately, I live next to a S/C and can get free charging @ 11KW. I've already bought a Type 2 cable. Can't wait. 😊
Any reason why you don't use something like ovo which gives you the 8c/kwh block between midnight to 6am as well as free electricity between 11am to 2pm while running other power hungry devices like the dishwasher, washing machine, air con etc?
@@LudicrousFeed there’s been comments that origin EV power up will not charge your Tesla to 100% for BMS calibration, which is recommended for rwd models with lfp batteries. Can you confirm this is the case?
@mashoook Not true. It’s charged to 100% each time I’ve asked it to, including last night 🥇 - it’ll aim to charge whatever % you set it to in the car/app Add: I've seen a comment from another viewer that stated: although the car will charge to 100% it may not continue to charge for BMS calibration. Will need to follow this up with Origin if indeed true ...
Hi Tom Great Video. I have a very similar solar and battery setup to you (Enphase/Tesla). The deal your on is fantastic but I ended up selecting Amber. If Amber is available to you as I understand it isn't available everywhere I would recommend investigating them. One other problem I have found over the years is that energy providers are really good at changing the goal posts and I have had to change often. It isn't a smooth ride no matter what you do these days as energy providers are all trying to maximise profits and I have found swapping energy providers easy too thank goodness.
I've been with Origin for a while and had no idea they offered this until now, although in fairness it does look like a relatively new product and still officially in beta. All the other "EV plans" from AGL, Ovo etc were a no go for us as we have too much PV on the roof, so it's good to have this as an option for those of us with bigger systems. I set it up today and noticed that just setting a straight charge schedule in the car was ignored by Origin. Despite telling it not to charge until after 10pm, it started anyway. Charge on Solar with a schedule seems to work though.
Hmm interesting, it’s been respecting my car schedule so far … yes given it’s in Beta hopefully Origin will iron out some of the bugs before the greater release
just signed up, and got the warning about incomplete charge , even though I'm at 70%, I don't know what algorithm its using but it seems way off in predicting charge is it assuming a 10A connection?
hey Tom, just a small pick up around fully charged my BYD seal has 650km for full charge Yous has 640km any reason why thought they would all be the same
It does dynamically change depending on your driving efficiency. Regardless I don’t pay strict attention to the range but merely use it only as a very rough guide
Here in Australia, it came with a 10A mobile wall connector and a V2L adaptor Premium Trim BYD Seal Delivery Day Experience Sydney Australia 2023 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-quC_5gzj8sk.html
I really disagree with the data Origin asks for in order to provide the 8ckw discount. Shady to allow the energy companies to have this much access, even if it helps them correlate Tessie data
Great video, thanks Tom. Can I ask if you are on a Time Of Use plan with Origin or if you are on a flat rate whet are you paying per kWH normal rate? Thanks.
In regional Oz, on a cloudy day only getting 25% production. 4.4kw panels and getting 1kwh. Not quite covering the level 1 charger😢. Be better once the rest of panels installed and head towards spring.
@@LudicrousFeed even with a 13kw setup, two systems, north facing 6.3kw on house and 6.5kw east/west split on shed, production can be pretty bad on a cloudy day. I am in northern suburbs of Adelaide.
Great video. I’ll have to do this for my model Y. Also you are supporting Aussie businesses. 👍👍 Powered by Aussie coal; cheap, reliable and works on cloudy days.
WA sounds like 90% of the USA! Free market leaders of the world don't you know...with their monopoly utilities and now 100% Tariffs on Chinese brand EVs.
Thanks for another great video! I've switched to Origin for a week now and most of the time the Origin app doesn't detect my car is plugged in. On most nights it would only charge to 80% although it predicts 100% and sometimes I get "Snap! We can't charge your car right now. It looks like there may be a problem with your charger." The Tesla app shows my car is awake and ready to charge. Strange!
@@LudicrousFeed wall connector Gen3 11kw (3-phase power). i may have found the issue, under my home settings the vehicle charging section had the wall connector schedule turned from 12am. i switched that off and seems to be ok now. i`ll let it test for a few days and see how it goes.
@@LudicrousFeed just a follow up...I actually am already an Origin customer, so just changed my plan. I have gone from paying $0.33 KWH to how $0.08 to charge the car after 10pm which is crazy. On top of that I am blown away by the tech to be able to sync this all up with the car, really, really, impressed.
@@AndrewThomson888 That’s awesome! Really does pay to shop around and for customers intending to stay with Origin like yourself then it’s a no-brainer 👍
Tested the EV power up beta plan overnight, LFP charging to 100% including calibration works (Tesla App charging complete notification received) as does preconditioning using the wall connector.
Great vid Tom, Q, Why are comments turned off on your Zeeker vids, they do feel more like a tourism campaign as there are more photos of food than cars 😂. Anyway looking forward to the wrap up summary.
