Honda Civic Type R battle: EP3 & FN2 take on the 2015 car 

Well if you listen to the video she clearly says the first type r to come to Europe, not first type r ever so stfu

She says Mark 1. You idiot.

+LongtailGT Not to mention quotes like it feels powerful, fast and secure... Really, its a Type R we know that already. Where are these people coming from? Wheres Steven Sutcliffe?

***** 0:30 m8

+LongtailGT she said in the video firsts to come to europe, not first one. actually watch the video rather then ust post a comment.

EK9 is a bit too old

Ek9 was not sold New in Europe

agreed lol. She wasn't best at maths in school it seems

Yeah, I do not want to come out sounding like I'm nit picking and I never correct people on grammar errors but if the math is wrong then,well, I can't turn a blind eye to that lol. It is a very common mistake though and an easy trap to fall into.

Christos Segkounas I like to correct people that are doing grammar mistakes as well, though. Lol. But this was just purely retarded mistake that might be easy to fall for, but doing a review and comparing specs you cannot get it wrong.

+Christos Segkounas get a girl friend

matt smith what does being able to calculate in percents got to do with relationships. Wtf, I guess you're butthurt cause you didn't know that she was wrong

@@guilletous89 In your opinion.

+future62 i just found a lack of enthusiasm for what could have been a good video

+future62 Nah Steve Sutcliffe is AUTOCAR. And I agree this review was crap. She's so scripted and awkward.

Sutcliffe is at autoexpress now! However I was hoping he was doing this video too

Really? I kinda feel like that's a bit of a downgrade though. To me AutoExpress isn't as interesting or on par quality-wise with their vids. That's a shame.....he betrayed his own!! haha

+future62 Yeah plus Hard Ride in the EP3? Its a LOT softer than the FN2 and even to some degree the new FK2. I don't think she knew what she was on about!

+997speedy Agreed! What is this shit?

come on man autoexpress been poor for some time now, even autocar is getting worse surprisingly motortrend has got much better. best channels are Chris Harris on cars, evotv and Harrys garage.

The ek9 was never sold in Europe/uk and had to be imported. So the ep3 was actually the original type -r in the uk

+Rhys Page (Widebeam70) irrespective of the review you have to acknowledge all generations

Larnelle Olkers true

she said, first to legally come to europe. shes right

Rebel Rhymes i never listen to what a woman has to say about cars but yh fn2 is more comfortable but ep3 is still a better type R as u feel the road more and better at corners in my opinion.

+William P eh i blame the editing for the most part, its abysmal

Hey!...a south floridian!...and a fellow driver!?...I drive from Holly Hill to Boca Raton making my deliveries,even into Lake Worth on Sundays and Thursdays only!...what a coincidence.

Riiiight Eric....you haven't examined my profile have you?...well if you wanna get stupid then I'm all in,LET'S GO!

Audiwan Kenobi aint nobody got time fo dat

I deleted my last comment because in reality I got mad respect for your ride...I ain't gonna trash talk with you because I can clearly see that you have passion for what you're doing......I also have a 2008 Acura MDX...you have alot of pictures and I can't deny that you care about your car....I stand down...

lol Obey to VXR !

+Jonathan Jennings Lol true and the mark 2's number plate looks like it says REHAB lol

I Agree with you FN2 is slower than a Ep3

Although you left your comment long you are completely wrong. The fn2 weighs about 40 kilos more but made up for it with a more stiff suspension and chasis.. The acceleration favours the fn2 due to its shorter gearing. Honda is not going to make a new Type R unless it handles better and is faster in a straight line then its predecessor. I know Ep3 heads cannot handle that the Fn2 is even better at the one thing the ep3 is supposedly better lol.

@@Computercontrolled87 Doesnt matter what you think. You are wrong

rustler08 having fun is more important than pure speed, sure you can brag about having a fast lap time, but at the end of the day you’re gonna be sad that your car doesn’t have what cars are meant to do, feel the road

@@yunglemonakis Literally don't know where she plucked that from. You can certainly feel the road in the FK2 in comparison of having a EG6, EP3 & DC5 the FK2 i just leagues ahead in every department.

Ouch!...what a way to issue a verbal smack down!

ur a knob

+Second Chance I agree with you mate ;)

Agree with the knobheads. I don't want to sound one, but dude, when someone claims that 4 seconds is 50% faster than 5 seconds, their credibility is to be questioned. Like this lady.

This comparison is an example of why there are so few women, doing something that does not come naturally. Making sandwiches and make up they're good at, on the upside...

+Jonathan Kumar Reviewing comes naturally to men?

Shift4g passion for motors, hitting the redline, making most out of what ur working with. The review then becomes second nature. She demonstrated none of these qualities. 'When neither love nor hate is part of the equation, womans play is mediocre'

Jonathan Kumar I get what you are saying, but this extends to anybody. There are plenty dudes who SUCK at reviewing cars, and some of them work for EVO. You need more than passion. I'm sure the great majority of commenters would be trash despite being "enthusiasts" or knowing facts.

There’s no one home under 5k in the older ones though🤣

Why?

+Stefan Garaidh Because the VXR from Vauxhall is one of its biggest competitors!

+Arey Tang DC2..?

+Arey Tang lol dc2r arguably the best type r out of the classics.

+Jivaneshan Kesavan DC2 is Integra not Civic, and can I say Type R best showcase is on the Civic?

We're talking all Type R Hondas as far as I'm concerned, not just Civics. The DC2R EASILY displaces the EP3 if we're ranking top three 'essence of Type R'. The NSX-R must be pretty high up too, although I doubt any of us have actually driven one.. lol

ok hahaha i just love Civic abit more than the others.

+BlueAxeRacer Correct, that's why it was 0.1 second faster to 60. You're a real genius. Protip: Better get your own opinion than just listen to Mr. Clarkson. You obviously haven't driven both. The EP3 only FEELS faster, because it has less sound insulation and it's overall less "refined". But in fact the FN2 and EP3 are actually equally fast.

You're forgetting the fact that 0.1s faster to 60 and heavier does not mean faster in the real world. Also rear double wishbone is just better than a torsion beam, as cars that treat each wheel differently always handle better. I think you had better listen to Clarkson you know, he's not all nonsense.

+BlueAxeRacer It's true, a rear torsion beam axle isn't as sophisticated as a independent suspension. But then again, it's clear that you haven't driven both cars because if you would, you'd know that in the real world you simply don't feel the difference. But hey, Clarkson* said it's better so there you go. If there are people who rather like to buy a car that's 7 years older, without climate control, no good stereo, no good sound insulation and overall less equipment, JUST because its 40kg lighter and has a better rear suspension, let them. *Also known as the man who throws a fwd car into a corner, goes full throttle and starts complaining about understeer. lol

celaCH1 In the real world, you can tell if the wheels are being treated independently of each other because you will have more grip, clearly, and there are many reasons why you might want a car that is 7 years older, say because a stereo is a stereo, which can be replaced, climate control, which has been the standard for many years, but isn't really needed, and no sound insulation? All the better to hear the engine, I say, and less equipment? Less things to go wrong. Suspension is critical, so if you want the better driver's car, go for the better suspension, i.e. the older car. Guess what? Go full throttle in a modern hatch and you won't understeer, or torque steer because the boffins at Ford, Honda, Renault know how to reduce it's effect.

+BlueAxeRacer Yup you're wrong. Like she said the FN2 had increased mid-range torque and "1 hp more" (despite being fitted with balance shafts that cost about 15 hp, so it would otherwise be up on power compared to the EP3), lower vtec engagement point, much lower final drive ratio (5.0 vs 4.7), and also later FN2s had the JDM-spec Torsen differential. So the FN2 is actually not necessarily as slow compared to a Euro-spec EP3 as you might think (JDM spec EP3 is another matter of course).

head and tail because I assure you the type r will be looking at its tail.

Hegovii The EP3 is widely considered to be the better car from a dynamic perspective as it has fully independent multi-link rear suspension) compared to the more simple and less effective torsion beam setup on the FN2) as well as being 60kg lighter. They both had basically the same K20 engine, slightly updated in the FN2, but with very similar outputs.

James Baggaley correct! ep3 has k20a2 and fn2 has basically the same engine like u said but twicked a little and named it k20z4😀

Still quite a few over here though

+RS133TWING the fn2 was just really the back break and that whole easier to drive thing i dont agree with

+RS133TWING "Please someone explain to the reviewer why lift off oversteer / braking though corners is bad.." It's only bad if you don't know how to drive.