HONDA HRX217VKA VS TORO SUPER RECYCLER 21564 - WHICH MOWER IS BEST?

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HONDA HRX217VKA VS TORO SUPER RECYCLER 21564 - WHICH MOWER IS BEST? Should you BUY a HONDA or TORO LAWN MOWER? Which LAWNMOWER IS BETTER? In this video, I do a SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON of these two mowers and go over the CONSTRUCTION, FEATURES, ENGINES and CUT QUALITY of each lawn mower so you can make SMART BUYING DECISION. Which mower came out on top? LIKE & SUBSCRIBE!!!
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@GarageGear Год назад

💥Here is a LINK to the HONDA mower used in this video! Thank you for supporting the channel! 👍 amzn.to/3MGOF6E

@pjpankratz8829 Год назад

Funny how it is 799 when I click the link and then 805 when I sign in with my Amazon account....Doh! lol. just funny is all.

@GarageGear Год назад

@@pjpankratz8829 gotta love amazon lol smh!

@user-tq9jg6kh6e Год назад

That's too expensive. There's the HRN model that's $550 that I want.

@Perly53 11 месяцев назад

Link shows "unavailable."

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

@@Perly53 Honda has a stop sale right now due to manufacturing issues

@eugenebear1872 Год назад

I’ve owned the Honda for 1 year and it’s a beast. We don’t have a flat front yard and the select drive it super helpful. 1 pull start yet. Mulch option always. Super pleased with it. Also, every day I use it I clean it. Great video JB!!

@GarageGear Год назад

Appreciate you Eugene! 👍

@Ryan-ub8vb Год назад

Great comparison! I have the 2020 version (pre Vortex deck) of this Super Recycler, and my engine does sputter sometimes. Bought it over the HRX because of the stow-n-go (not much storage space at my house), maneuverability, and the shock absorbing handles that are good for bumpy yards. I mostly enjoy it and do not regret the purchase. Mulching quality is right on par with the mid-90s HRB215 and early 2010s HRN that I had prior to that. The 190cc Briggs has what feels like double the power of the standard HRN 160cc Honda motors. My grass is healthy and very thick, and the Briggs has never once stalled on me. The 1990s machine I'd get to stall maybe 1-2x a year, the 160cc HRN, more like 1-2x per mow lol one big con vs the plastic deck Hondas is the amount of grass build up I get, but I guess I would say it's not any worse than the steel deck Honda I had prior to this one.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing Ryan!

@georgepruitt637 Год назад

This Honda has 200cc's. Comparing "Apples and oranges".

@Ryan-ub8vb Год назад

@@georgepruitt637 thanks George! Very glad you caught that I was never talking about the 200cc engine

@reversiontothemean6129 9 месяцев назад

I have been wanting a smartstow Toro to save room and now watching this video, that is this same Honda that I am replacing. I am awaiting the Toro 190cc to arrive so I cannot compare them yet, personally. However, I have had that Honda HRX217 for about 8-9 years and still starts first pull. I have super thick grass and keep it at 4" cut without any problems. The deck is a non issue really, it is similar to a football helmet material and those are meant for taking a beating. My Honda still looks brand new. I take care of my sister-in-law's lawn and will leave it over there, so I will get to enjoy both of these mowers. Thanks for these great videos, I ordered the Toro after watchign your review video on it. P.S. - I do the annual maintenance on the Honda religiously and keep an extra sharpened blade on hand to rotate every few cuts (I am a lawn nut). One thing I am struggling with is the thought of the "no oil change" Toro marketing. I believe I will end up removing the annual used oil and replacing it, but haven't made up my mind yet.

@GarageGear 9 месяцев назад

Hey reversion sounds like you’re a lawn nut for sure! You’re in good company! And I sounds like you got your heart set on that toro! I would definitely change the oil on that engine once a year! Thanks for being a cool fan!

@RyanRoux Год назад

I have had the same Honda for about a year now and agree completely with all of your opinions, especially about the underside of the deck. Lots of places for grass clippings to accumulate. But, that is my only complaint. Hands down, the most powerful walk behind mower I have used. I cut 3 lawns with really thick St. Augustine grass and it is very rare that it has an issue. One thing you might have left out, does the Toro have a fuel shutoff? That can be a huge carburetor saver long term.

@GarageGear Год назад

Good point Ryan thanks for sharing

@Priority57 2 месяца назад

I have a Toro Personal Pace for 22 years without a fuel shut off and never had any issues without it.

@jaybooth4815 Год назад

Great comparison JB! I went with the Honda HRX several years ago. I never liked the Toro walk behind system. Plus the Honda was USA built! My son has it now and that mower will last many years. But I have to maintain it since he’s a mow and go kinda of guy. Kids….it does “grind my gears” that Honda is getting out of the mower line. I might just get one and store it away. Great video JB! Cheers buddy!

@GarageGear Год назад

Appreciate you Jay! Not a bad idea by the way! Some others have said they may do the same! Keep a great mower on the back burner! Guess the only way to get a good mower after September is to go with something commercial! Have an awesome weekend bud!

@jaybooth4815 Год назад

You too! Enjoy the pool!

@gregboyer2385 Год назад

I have both. HRX is about 15 years old and the Toro Super Recycler has the Honda motor and is 2 years old. Both cut equally well, but the Toro is lighter and easier to maneuver around the yard. My summary is can’t go wrong with either. I can say I’m a Toro fan now.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing Greg!

@shanew7361 2 месяца назад

I'll stick with my Honda HRX 217HYA 200cc with hydrostatic transmission for the win 🏆 Have owned mine for over 6 years, zero issues.

@GarageGear 2 месяца назад

Can’t beat em!

@davesparks3907 11 месяцев назад

Great video, definitely a Honda guy , i run 2 HhR model an love em all the way around, very disappointing they are getting out of gas mowers but . Oh well , thanks again great comparisons!! Take care .

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate you Dave! I’m sad about this as well! Thanks for watching’

@chrismoerschel1870 11 месяцев назад

I bought the Super Recycler. Can't complain. I have a 190cc Smart Stow already from 2016. The new one cuts much better, but my first one works fine and starts on first pull. The Smart Stow sold me. My two lawnmowers take up less space than 1 conventional lawnmowers.

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Awesome Chris thanks for sharing! 👍👍

@Chris.Burbank 11 месяцев назад

Just found your channel and you’ve been a huge help in researching my next lawn mower. Do you think the Honda is better for sloped yards than the Toro? Both my front yard and backyard are sloped and I’ve had a Honda before but the biggest issue I had was with the cutting. I have Zoysia in my backyard and it’s pretty thick stuff, you think this model Honday can handle that as well? Thanks for posting these videos, they are a big help.

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Hey concours rider! Appreciate the positive feedback! The Honda is a good all around homeowner mower that can handle most turf types! I think you’d be surprised by its capabilities! The dual blades work nicely mulching everything up too! If you have any other questions let me know! 👍

@nibs9945 Год назад

Great review, tks. Leaning to the Honda HRX217 HYA, but still have some more homework to do. One of the questions have on any of the self-propelled mowers is how they turn, then start reverse pass. Especially given the various handles that need to be engaged. Have a smaller front yard so there is a lot of turns.

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey nibs sounds like you god somethings to consider. The toro did trim easier with the bigger back wheels.

@Synchrimedia Год назад

we have a Honda HRN. it's easy enough for my wife to operate. she really likes it, so it must be easy to use.

@hawgbreath Месяц назад

I’ve had my 217HRX for about 15 years. It has the electric start option but it is so easy to start it’s not needed. Even my wife can pull start it. I have many curves and tight areas in my yard and the self propelled feature is a blessing to help the turnarounds. Hands down the Honda wins over my former snapper and toro! The only repair has been the speed control cable, which I replaced myself.

@mikegrappone9078 Год назад

Awesome review - thanks!

@GarageGear Год назад

You got it Mike! Appreciate you

@Bob.sackamano Год назад

Just purchased a hrx217 and I absolutely love it! Looking for a back up mower at the moment and can't seem to make up my mind. I could go with a Honda HRN with the gcv170 but I want something a little beefier. I really like the Toro Super Recycler with the 190cc Briggs, and I love the personal pace system. With that said, something intrigues me about the new Ariens Razor 21 dual blade. Looks like a beast and with the dual blade I'm very curious on the cut quality. Curious on the Reflex system too! Unfortunately not much info on the Ariens kicking around RU-vid just yet. Would love to see a review on one!

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey Esteban! I would like to review that mower as well . Time will tell! 👍

@StevenCampbell1955 2 месяца назад

Ha, I just bought a Honda 216 on Sunday afternoon and on Monday morning I was given a near new Toro 22. Now I can't decide which is better. The Toro seems to have a bit more power and will drag you around on a trailer if you could find a hitch point, but that Honda is just a lovely machine too, with perfect lawn stripes and cleaner cut. I even tried both in the rain and both gave perfect results. Beggared for choice after putting up with dodgy mowers for a couple of years. BTW, how do you get rid of old mowers which still work just fine but are ratty compared to both of my new ones? Probably could leave them on the sidewalk with a sign, 'FREE to good Home'.

@bigsteve777able Год назад

your right about big win being made in home country, rare as the preverbal rocking horse Sh- - , always a huge plus even here in Ireland, really hard to find these days.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing and watching big Steve!

@spresc2180 Год назад

I have a @ 2006 Toro recycler. B&S engine. Last year I replaced the personal pace transmission and drive belt. Deck is in great shape as I use the wash port almost all the time and do yearly pm maintenance ( plug, air and fuel filters, oil, lube cables, ethanol free fuel when possible and Stabil added) This mower STILL starts on the 1st pull. Take care of your mower and it will reward you with many years of service.

@GarageGear Год назад

💯 agree sp!

@johnnelwhite Год назад

I love my toro 2020 21385 super recycler. Being a honda fan boy with 4 honda cars i looked at the hrx but some of the negative reviews i read kept me from pulling the trigger. Im glad i purchased my toro befor the design change and price increase.I went with the toro branded engine cause of the sputtering issues with the briggs. I have no regrets. I just bought the toro sr mulching blade to test out.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing this John! Let me know how the blade works out for you!

@marshmower Год назад

Yup. 2020 is like a distant memory now. Prices were still within the universe. That's the Loncin engine right? Black top? Toro needs to up the ante and the consumer needs at least 170 ccs on a mulching mower. 150 can chug in the deep stuff. How's the power. Toro usually uses straight blades for whatever reason.

@jamesgorman5774 Год назад

post how you see the Toro SR mulching blade performing for yourself? thank you

@jamesgorman5774 Год назад

@@marshmower following : what to hear how John sees the use of his toro sr mulching blade on his 2020 Super recycler..

@johnnelwhite Год назад

I haven't even put it on yet. I been bagging my clippings cause disease pressure is high from weather conditions. Hopefully I can put it to use in the fall.

@smallblock412 Год назад

Nice heads-up comparison 👍

@GarageGear Год назад

Tried to cover as much as possible! Lots to look at between these two mowers! Thanks for being a cool fan as always Smallblock! 👍👍

@everybodysjonathan Год назад

The next up the line Honda hrx has the upgraded hydrostatic transmission with the speed shift. I haven’t used a better self propel system on a push mower.

@GarageGear Год назад

Awesome point! Thanks for sharing

@loriwitkop1389 Месяц назад

May 2024, Honda has stopped making Lawn Mowers. I just called a local dealer, they have two left and I scored the HRX217VKA model! I'll be picking it up early next week. This video helped solidify my decision to go with Honda. I have a mower I bought about 5 years ago and am gifting it to my son. It's a Briggs and Straton engine (as most are) but at every mow it hesitates! The engine likely needs to be tuned up.

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Good score! Thanks for watching!

@Thrunabulax10 Месяц назад

sad but true. Honda abandoned us

@tobyhoffman6304 Месяц назад

My local dealer had one HRX 217 left. It’s mine now. Best push mower I had ever bought. Keeping my HRN 216 for backup since they are done making them

@Article94 Месяц назад

Seriously going to buy a HRX 217 tomorrow. Debating between HYA and HZA for the electric start. Found one with the hydrostatic drive!

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Get em while they’re hot fellas! 👍

@AngeloR674 Месяц назад

It gulps oil! Very quickly!! And if too much oil is added your engine will smoke and die!! From experience here!

@patjohnson3100 Год назад

Too bad Honda is getting out of the lawnmower market. The competition is healthy, and American jobs are a positive.

@GarageGear Год назад

💯agree!

@greggreen6636 Год назад

I have an hrx 217. Only 2 complaints. To light in front and very bouncy

@GarageGear Год назад

@@greggreen6636 thanks for sharing

@bobp6742 Год назад

According to honda uk they have no intention of halting petrol lawn mowers, they just will not be selling them in California.

@GarageGear Год назад

@@bobp6742 thanks for sharing

@BrandonHill288 11 месяцев назад

I bought a Honda HRX in 2021. Overall big fan. I will say, while the Mulch/Bag adjustment seems like a good idea, if you have a finer grass like Bermuda you'll still wind up with clippings accumulating in the discharge port when fully on Mulch setting (along with a little bit of discharged clippings coming out of the back). Feels like Honda could have solved this with some sort of weather stripping or just better seal for the adjuster. It's not a huge pain, but doesn't match the usual Honda engineering standard.

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing this information Brandon!

@gpalmerify Год назад

My new Honda mower has an open belt and pulley (no guard) under the deck. It looked like the Toro had one. That lack of protection could cause premature wear or failure of the drive. Really makes my mower susceptible to even moist grass clippings. Otherwise been loving this mower's performance.

@GarageGear Год назад

Good point thanks for mentioning gpal!

@riceburner4747 Год назад

I own a Honda HRR. Its about 3yrs old now. I take excellent care especially during winter storage. Anyway, when I wash the bottom of the deck, I let it dry & spray with Fluid Film. Keeps deck from rusting & grass clippings don't stick near s much. And don't get on belt.

@Carlos.Rivera Год назад

Wash and dry after use.

@js12278 Год назад

Another great video, JB. They’re both excellent choices for gas mowers.

@GarageGear Год назад

Both awesome machines just diff to. Their own ways! Thanks for watching another JS! You ROCK!

@CalebRichardson-ex5kc 7 месяцев назад

I like the Honda mower because they have blade controls where you can push with the motor on without the blades spinning plus they start up on the first pull and are easy to start

@GarageGear 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing Caleb

@chesty1369 10 месяцев назад

Love my Hondas...was going to buy a new one this year since mine is 15 yerars old and starting to show its age....but can't find one right now

@GarageGear 10 месяцев назад

New Hondas are on a stop sale right now and production ends in September for mowers in the US! Might be better off finding a gently used one!

@steely_Bob Месяц назад

I’ve had my HRX217 since 2009, change oil, change filter once a year. Changed blades & rear tires once. Starts on first pull, still looks new. Mow yard every 4days during growing season.

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Awesome thanks for sharing Bob!

@gls3894 Год назад

Very comprehensive review. I have owned the HRX 217-VYA for several years. I will never sell it. The Versa mow system and cut quality are far superior then all other walk behind mowers. The only thing I do not like is the Select Drive. I prefer the Personal Pace system of my Toro TimeMaster. Thanks again Sir for your information and energy!!!!

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey gls! Agreed! I do like the older personal pace designs this new one is way too big! And I walk into that bar a lot! Appreciate you bud! 👍

@gls3894 Год назад

@@GarageGear Ahhh... I see your point. The Recycler handle is much larger and shaped differently then my 2018.

@GarageGear Год назад

@@gls3894 yeah the older ones were better! 👍

@tonym6920 Год назад

I’m a big Honda fan, own 2, also owned a Toro Recycler for about 10 years. My concern for Honda is that they are leaving the lawnmower business, at least the gas powered side. I have seen videos of their battery powered line which I’m guessing will be available here soon. Hopefully getting parts for their gas powered mowers won’t be an issue.

@GarageGear Год назад

I don’t think it will be an issue! Thanks for watching

@ilootyouhoot8578 18 дней назад

Only for the us market, and they will still be making the motors just not the. Mowers for US. Parts for other parts of the mower will be around for decades

@user-qd5vv8kt3y Год назад

Just got 2 toro mowers, one is awd & 1 is smaller. I sold my hrx due to being to bulky. 1 downside to the toro mower is, no discharge but I hope it will be a good choice in the end. Oh an no changing the oil in them.

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey my friend it is strongly recommended that you still change the oil on them! Trust me that’s a marketing idea gone wrong.

@lightninglawnservice2803 9 месяцев назад

I have a 2018 Honda HRX and also a 10 year old toro Super Recycler - I’ll have to say my HRX is heavy and bogs down in wet grass - or thick grass - meanwhile the Super Recycler is lighter and powers through it all - also the HRX self propel dial speed I have to adjust tighten up every month plus the rear wheel seems to lock up every now and then -

@GarageGear 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing this with the community!

@stupid47 5 месяцев назад

I only just recently purchased a HRX217, and I have yet to operate it. But the only relevant part of the mower is, and always will be, the engine. The mower that this will be replacing is a Craftsman Honda with a GCV160 rated at 5.5 HP, no self-drive, that my father purchased in 2002. The engine itself is still solid and burns little to no oil. The main issue it's had is with the gas tank. When you spill gas on the cap threads, it makes the cap seal on and no air can enter to displace the fuel being burned, thus making it run lean, necessitating leaving the cap loose. Still, I would have kept it up, but due to too many impacts with tree roots, the deck is cracking. One engine mount point even broke, and I had to make a new one, but it's only a matter of time before another mount point fails completely. Even to this point, the engine starts on the first or second pull. Except for the carburetor, it's never been opened up once. No valve or cam adjustments. One dose of SeaFoam. Only the pull starter and carb gaskets have been replaced. and the addition of the governor arm oil seal. This engine drank down 2-cycle gas without a problem. It even took down year-old regular gas that made the engine detonate, and it still ran with no ill effect. As hard as I have been on it, I can't kill this thing. Even if the machine it powers wears out and falls apart, these engines simply cannot die. It is the absolute last Sears Craftsman appliance that I have, and after 21 years together, I will be sad to see it go. I only wish there was a more dignified way to retire it.

@GarageGear 5 месяцев назад

Wow! Some machines mean a lot to us! Thanks for sharing!

@Goose2448 2 месяца назад

I have had this exact Honda for 3 years. Absolute best push mower on the market. Now I read the manual but either I forgot or I'm a little dumb. Didn't realize it rear discharges until just the other day. 😅 I don't bag and prefer mulching anyway. But the grass is crazy here. It would struggle a little mulching 2 foot high grass but not discharging. Love this mower. Half assed pull and she starts.

@GarageGear 2 месяца назад

Hey goose! Honda makes a great mower!

@jzm6403 2 месяца назад

I have the Honda and while it is a great mower, it's not good on slopes and backing up. I also have to sharpen the blades a lot and have changed them 3 times in the last 10 years. I have a lawn service that sprays so the grass is rather thick. I'm currently looking for a riding mower as the slopes in my yard are getting kind of difficult on this 69 year old...

@Goose2448 2 месяца назад

@jzm6403 I totally understand. I had back surgery, thanks to an accident, a few months ago and I am half your age. I actually think I just found a project JD X495 for cheap. I have no hills here in Coastal Texas. But grew up with them. Anything over a couple thousand Sqft ya need a lawn tractor. I've been pushing 25K for long enough

@GarageGear 2 месяца назад

@@jzm6403 thanks for sharing Jzm!

@danielfitzgerald4089 Год назад

How would you compare this Toro model to a new HRN series Honda? For comparison would be nice to know. Also, there are complaints supposedly with the changes Honda made in the last few years about grass getting stuck in the belt area and causing transmission issues? I'm Honda guy with a 17 year old HRN and it's about ready to be replaced and I'm trying to figure out what to go with. My old HRN doesn't seem to have enough power at times and I'm wondering if I need to step up to a HRX or the newer 170 CC engine will be big enough to notice a difference on the HRN. Sorry for all the questions trying to figure out what seriously look at. Especially at 5000 ft I do lose power. Thanks!!!

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey Daniel! First I have not had any issues with grass and the belt. I don’t know what’s causing this to happen to people but I mow twice a week with no problems. Perhaps if you are mowing a ridiculously long lawn this could be the case but I don’t see any issues mowing my lawn when it’s longer. The 170cc engine has plenty of power and is actually pretty fuel efficient. Hope this helps you out!

@illmagnetic Год назад

This is a great review. Thank you

@GarageGear Год назад

Appreciate you oe!

@berettaguy7445 3 месяца назад

Is the drive system on the HRX217VKA identical to that of the HRN216VKA, or is it more robust? I understand the transmissions are different; I'm talking about the belt-drive sytem...thank you.

@GarageGear 3 месяца назад

Good question I’d have to get a closer look!

@sebastianoficara62 Месяц назад

Love the video thank you!

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Awesome Sebastian thanks for watching!

@ericressler1450 2 месяца назад

I have the HRX217K5VYAA. I got the Honda Roto-Stop blade control. That was the reason I bought it. I can run the engine without the blades engaged. Ine thing you may have overlooked was the size of the bag opening. So large you can dump leaves out of it faster with less fuss. Give the Honda two more points.

@GarageGear 2 месяца назад

Those are nice features! 👍👍

@ericressler1450 2 месяца назад

@@GarageGear have you used a gas mower with blade control like my Honda has? Roto-Stop.

@GarageGear 2 месяца назад

@@ericressler1450 my Honda doesn’t have that feature but wish it did! 👍

@loveracing1988 Год назад

For me 10 years ago it was simple. I didn't care for toro's personal pace setup. If I wanted to push it to go faster I'd just get a push mower. The honda personal pace fit my hands perfectly and has never let me down.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing loveracing!

@tfoen7678 9 месяцев назад

Great video. Have a Honda mower and drive a Honda. Love them both, had a Craftsman mower and a Ford. Lost them both-Love can only last after you maintain it for so long.

@GarageGear 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing

@guitarandotherthings6090 3 дня назад

I like my Honda GCV 170, cheapest Home Depot Honda ($549), but disappointed that in order not to have stray grass, I have to line up the grass line with the silver metal on the inner wheel, so im basically getting about 18 inches per line despite having a 21 inch blade. If i try to put the wheel on the line there is a strip of grass it misses, whereas my old toro i simply could just put the tire on the line and not miss any grass. My Honda did sputter and stall on 15 inch wet grass on mulch mode, but when I switched to bag mode it didnt sputter at all with the same grass. I dont use bag so i just put up with “grass feet” when in bag mode lol. I do like that this model has a steel deck and not plastic like the one in his video. I will say i tried to put the lever in the middle of bag and mulch mode to compromise to avoid grass feet, but gravity makes lever slip back into bag mode so no point of putting it in middle.

@GarageGear 3 дня назад

@@guitarandotherthings6090 thanks for sharing this

@justmark56 Год назад

JB have you ever done a video on the Timemaster kill switch? I noticed a fence and my switch hit the fence twand had to replace. I went to hardware store and got a insulated switch for $5. So easy to use. I put it in the same housing as the Original switch. I even had thecswitch ware out. Take care.

@GarageGear Год назад

Never did that. Actually I sold the mower a couple of months. Thanks for sharing what you did.

@J.R.F.23 7 месяцев назад

In 2010 I bought a brand new Honda HRX2172VKA for $600. I have used it a lot! I mainly mulch both my grass as needed and my leaves in the fall. Other than normal maintenance stuff like blades, spark plugs, oil and air filters... I have only had to replace (1) part. I started hearing a weird ticking noise. I searched the web (including RU-vid); found a video with the exact same problem. the noise was coming from the pull start (the pull start worked, but the ticking was annoying). I ordered a new pull start for around $25 + tax and the issue was fixed. This has been the most reliable lawnmower I have owned. My first was a Craftsman that lasted about 5 years . Then I bought a Toro which lasted about 6-7 years. My HONDA has exceeded my expectations.

@GarageGear 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing this information with the community JRF👍

@jeeprenegade1985 Месяц назад

Toro with the Tecumseh engines. I have two that still run great. One is from 1988, yes '88, and one is from 2005.

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Awesome thanks for sharing Jeep!

@knighthawk86855 Год назад

But that older toro commercial, that is a very nice mower, nice and heavy, gives a great cut.

@GarageGear Год назад

Oh it’s heavy alright! Cuts very well! Video coming soon!

@grahamdaniel9534 22 дня назад

As I understand it Honda have stopped making petrol lawnmowers due to an overload in the mower market but still they are making mower engines for other mower manufacturers I love my Honda so just upgraded and won’t be needing a replacement anytime soon ( HAPPY GRASS CUTTING FOR THE UK )

@GarageGear 22 дня назад

Thanks for sharing Daniel! 👍👍

@williamj1969 11 месяцев назад

Nothing wrong with plastic carburetor. I have a 1989 Evinrude outboard engine with 8 plastic carb's on it (34 years old) and they work just perfect today.

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing William

@timmccandlish8806 7 месяцев назад

@garagegear I'm looking for the best mower for $600 or less. I bought a 21 inch honda from home depot and it was recalled, so I returned it hoping to get some sales for black friday. Regardless of it being on sale, do you have a recommendation? I've watched a few of your videos and theres some flaws with Toro, but it seems to me its between a Honda and a Toro, but I'm weary of honda due to the recall and them discontinuing production of gas mowers. Appreciate any recommendation you may have! Thanks

@GarageGear 7 месяцев назад

Hey Tim I’m really not pleased with the quality of some brands lately and will be looking at more next year. If you can find a gently used Honda for sale perhaps go that route. The cam shaft issue seems to be only effecting models this past year. Thanks for being a cool fan!

@TearsOnABlackRose 3 месяца назад

Alright look, I don't suggest purchasing a Honda; perhaps you should consider a lawn mower brand that has been in the industry for a longer period of time and has had more opportunities for trial and error. My Honda 216 has been causing me a lot of issues. If you purchase a Honda mower, there will be trouble ahead. Naturally I'm going to advise you to go with Toro..

@aaronbeaudry5802 Год назад

JB would you recommend 5w-30 synthetic for the Honda HRX 217 ? Or go with the Honda 1030 they recommend? Thank you.

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey Aaron I usually recommend 5w30 full synthetic because it has the widest temperature range where I believe in the manual it stated that 1030 is kinda limited. 👍

@jimmydcricket5893 10 месяцев назад

Looked at Toro, came home with a Honda HRU216M3, Love it.

@GarageGear 10 месяцев назад

Enjoy the mow my friend!

@Tom-ic7hw 26 дней назад

how about the drive control on the handlebars of the Honda can you comfortably make a 180° turn around an let go of the drive lever while still holding on to the bale keeping it running I go back and forth alot

@GarageGear 26 дней назад

Yep all works well! You’ll have the technique down in a few passes.

@pjpankratz8829 Год назад

It would be interesting to get your take on the battery version of the Super Recycler now that you have the gas version. Need to find someone in your area willing to lend one to you for a few days. I'm not sold that these batteries will keep their runtime over the years and is really why I don't want to make the jump because the replacement batteries are very expensive. I enjoy the content bud keep it up!

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey pj none of my friend want them either for the same reason. Would be interesting to see how they cut. Appreciate the positive feedback my friend!

@rmac228 Год назад

Thanks for these videos man… I picked up a 217VKA from my local dealer brand new for $630. Picked up a Lawn Stryper based off your other video too 🤙🏽

@GarageGear Год назад

ROCK ON RMAC! you’re about to have the best lawn in town!

@D0SHA236 Год назад

I bought a HRX217HYA. Ran for 20 min. When I tried to start it up again the pull cord was stuck and almost ripped my arm off. I guess it’s a common issue for the cam assembly/decompression. Have you had any experience with this issue? Dealer told me Honda was making warranty repairs difficult, taking about 2-3 months of going back and forth just to get Honda to approve repairs.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing this D! Someone did mention this but I think it was on another model! Glad this shared in our community!

@jeremyrobinson4064 2 месяца назад

LOVE YOUR SUPER INFORMATIVE VIDEOS - IM IN ENGLAND SO NOT SURE IF THEY ARE SAME SPEC ,BUT RACED HONDA CR Mx BIKES FOR YEARS & KNOW THAT THIER PRODUCTS ARE EXCELLENT IN FUNCTIONALITY & DURABILITY

@GarageGear 2 месяца назад

Oh yeah! Hard to beat a Honda! Thanks for watching from across the pond! 👍

@markvogler7228 5 месяцев назад

I have owned 6 Honda lawn mowers since I was 22 and recently turned 62 . I have noticed my last two mowers where not as robust and I finally had enough with my last new hrx217 with quality break downs and leaks , so I sold it after 6 months due to living in a rural area the nearest honda shop is 45 mins away and repairs where weeks apart. My son inlaw purchased a toro 22" recycler with briggs and stratton 190cc motor and has been raving about it last 2 years. I decided to buy the Toro AWD 163cc recycling mower this week and can not beleave how much better this mower is over the Honda's I wish I would have listened to my son inlaw earlier. Have heard Honda is stopping production of its lawn mower range and I think they should if yhey are not going to research their products properly and release expensive rubbish on to the market. My Honda leaf blower and whipper snipper are due to be replaced shortly I am sure I won't be going Honda again for anything.

@GarageGear 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing, Mark! I hope the Toro does well for you like it does your son in law.

@robbiegolding1831 Год назад

I have both. For me it's Honda all day. Build quality, engine power and reliability, mulch cut, drive train. Only thing i like better on Toro is the blade clutch enabling me to drive the mower to different areas i cut in my yard at different heights without mowing.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing Robbie!

@jlrodjr 8 месяцев назад

Honda has a version of both the HRX217 and the HRN216(and the older version of the HRN the HRR216) that have blade clutch, Honda calls it Roto Stop. But only on the more expensive versions of the models.

@semiprofessional8470 11 месяцев назад

I have a 2021 model super recycler and it cuts better than anything I've ever used. Not super impressed with the new Briggs and Stratton. Dipstick, air filter and gas cap don't seal well and let some fine stuff through.

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing semi!

@stewardb82 Год назад

I just picked this Honda up today open box at Lowe’s for $380, the sales rep said it was just purchased yesterday and returned today. The older person who bought said it was too heavy. Feels like I hit the lottery

@GarageGear Год назад

BOOM! Awesome deal! 👍

@thomasdowneyjr.4162 11 месяцев назад

I have a Honda i got used it runs great just needed a little love...and i got my friend one 3 yrs ago used i dont know how long it will last he never changes the oil just runs it all the time without maintenance...

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Hey Thomas a little love can help it last a lifetime!

@javier2720 Месяц назад

Question about the discharge chute are you supposed to receive an email with the tracking number I did register my machine and requested the discharge chute or is it just supposed to arrive?

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Mine just arrived in the mail. No tracking or anything.

@BigDaddysGarage Год назад

That would be a very hard decision!

@GarageGear Год назад

Hopefully this video makes it a little easier 👍

@WisconsinEric Год назад

I have a Honda 190cc HRX 217 that is about 12yrs old, and a 32yr old cast aluminum Toro Recycler with the tiny 121cc Suzuki 2-cycle engine and 3-speed transmission. I have some bumps in the yard and the Honda is kind of bouncy and feels a bit top heavy compared to the old Toro. I think the Toro is a few pounds heavier and most of the weight is in the deck, and the Honda has a lighter deck and larger heavier motor that stands much higher off the deck. The Honda does make more power, but it is more than needed. The Honda is a great mower, but the old Toro mulches better and leaves a much better finished cut. I am not a fan of Honda's select drive or Toro's Personal Pace. I like old school 3-speeds, but I have never tried Hondas Hydrostatic transmissions. If I bump into an old 1990's cast aluminum Honda HR 215 on the cheap I'm grabbing it. I'm not feelin' Honda's Nexite so much even though I am a HUGE Honda fan. Been driving Honda's for 27yrs, and my old Accord saved my life 23yrs ago.

@GarageGear Год назад

Good info! Thanks for sharing Eric!

@jeffhack6839 Год назад

I purchased a 2023 Super Recycler with the electric start and 1900cc engine. Looked at the Honda and the local dealer would not even accommodate me as he said he could not sell a unit due to a recall. From what I have ascertained the 200cc Honda engine has a valve 'guide' problem and as they are 'leaving' those of us that have properties where the 'electric' units would not be an option that made the decision easy to make. I will deal with the plug for mulching. I am not worried as I do not make any attempt to keep up with Jone's. I just need to cut my very hilly undulating 1 acre lot. Cheers.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing this information and thanks for watching.

@liquidsteel8131 Месяц назад

Why can't any of the lawnmower companies give us what we really want? Give us the striper device for the back of our push mowers. But don't make it an option. Just put it on!

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Yep! They should! They could charge a little more but it would be a great mower

@sebastiancole4454 10 месяцев назад

Hello , I have two questions ? 1. Does a honda cut grass backwards , like you walking back with lawn mower engaged ? 2. Can the toro do the same ? I'm not saying cutting your grass backwards all the time , just asking if it saves time . Thank you in advance

@GarageGear 10 месяцев назад

Hey Sebastian! The blade is always spinning underneath so it will cut when pulled backwards on both models. Thanks for watching

@Huntersprojects Год назад

I bought Honda in 2020 and recently got into small engine and bought another Honda that supposedly needed the drive belt but it’s a gear transmission and the cable to put it into gear broke how shall I test the transmission to make sure it works before for I replace the 50 dollar part?

@GarageGear Год назад

That’s a good question. You could always buy the part, try it, and if it doesn’t work out return it or sell the part on eBay.

@vincesorrentino7871 Год назад

Switching from Bag to Mulch on the Honda can get difficult if some Grass is stuck under the Deck

@GarageGear Год назад

Good point! 👍

@geodot595 Год назад

open the rear flap and wd40 the mechanism and also wd40 all 4 wheel adjusters. really helps, the bag to mulch lever will move easily even jammed up with clippings.

@GarageGear Год назад

@@geodot595 thanks for sharing

@libaaxalee Месяц назад

My second batter on EGO started to fail made a big mistake as those batteries last mostly only three years. I am going back to gas and most likely going to get either Toro or Honda most likely Honda.

@GarageGear Месяц назад

We welcome you back with open arms liba!

@libaaxalee Месяц назад

@@GarageGear Appreciate that, I will make sure, I will say sorry I left and I am back when I see those gas mowers :)

@Rob-ob3sh Год назад

Thumbs up JD. Good video.

@GarageGear Год назад

Appreciate you Rob!

@johnkazimer7561 Год назад

Great review! Just wondering, did you sell the TimeMaster?

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey John! Appreciate you bud! Yep she’s gone! A lot more room in the garage now lol! 👍

@jonneil7169 Год назад

After watching the great video on the plusses and minus's of hondas and toros i think i'll get a craftsman.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for watching Jon!

@4x4gear33 Год назад

Craftsman lawn mowers are garbage.

@jonneil7169 Год назад

@@4x4gear33 ok, i hear ya, thanks for the warning.

@tombrown7577 11 месяцев назад

I just bought a Honda HRX217VKA and have not even received it yet. With your knowledge of the Honda, are their any parts or accessories that you would recomend having as a backup? My first Honda ever and at 65 years old, hoping it will be the last mower I ever need. Thanks

@GarageGear 11 месяцев назад

Hey Tom can’t go wrong grabbing a set of wheels, an auto choke actuator, and maybe a back up carburetor with some extra air filters. You’ll be set for a VERY long time! 👍

@neoretrophoto9198 23 дня назад

Used the Honda once - even in the full mulch setting clipping are shooting out the back and collecting in the rear bag area - I’m returning it - faulty design with air gaps that surround the plastic “adjustable mulch plug”. Lots of good about the mower but the multi clip adjustment is no good if you want to mulch 99% of the time.

@GarageGear 23 дня назад

Thanks for sharing neo

@kennykarkalits9564 Год назад

My present mower is the HRX217VKA. There's nothing it doesn't do very well. When I'm finished mowing I blow the mower off with compressed air top side and under the deck. Takes every bit of one minute tops. Honda is King of the non commercial walk behinds. I'll also probably be buying another to put away just to insure that I get to mow with one of these for a long time. Great video JB.

@GarageGear Год назад

Awesome Kenny! Smart to do so! Thanks for sharing and the positive feedback!

@mackfar27 Год назад

Especially with the rumors circulating that Honda is stopping production of their lawnmowers.

@GarageGear Год назад

@@mackfar27 Honda is done in September with mowers

@waynetec13 Год назад

A point of clarification. Hondas are assembled in the USA, but they're not MADE here. The parts are made overseas, then shipped here, and assembled here. It even says so on the box.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing wayne

@robertkensinger2851 Год назад

I have had both a recent Honda and the Toro Super Recycler . The Honda engine is amazing but the Toro is a much better mower! The drive system is way superior. The straight handle is no problem aand I don't agree with these comments. This channel is remarkable so you don't have to agree.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these mowers and thank you for being a cool fan of the channel Robert!

@TearsOnABlackRose 3 месяца назад

I have a Honda 216 and it has been nothing but problems. I would have wished that I had got a Toro super recycler. I should have done a little bit more research.. Toro has been in the grass game since 1914 beating Honda and every other mower in terms of reliability

@riobabic8960 9 месяцев назад

I’ve been buying Toro every year for my business. They are getting worse every year. They bought out the superior Lawnboy company and now don’t make them at all. I’m done with Toro ! The drive and bearings don’t last.

@GarageGear 9 месяцев назад

Toro needs to step it up!

@iantouzel638 4 месяца назад

Thanks man, great review, strait to the point, will go with the honda.

@GarageGear 4 месяца назад

You got it Ian! Thanks for watching! Hopefully you’re able to find one because they stopped producing them last September unfortunately.

@birdlegs846 Год назад

Honda! or any budget lawn mower that has a honda engine on its deck, MTD and troy built use to come with honda engines at a affordable price. At 4:11 into the video I hate those drag flaps, I always take them off my personal mowers.

@GarageGear Год назад

The toro one is pretty bad. Gets stuck underneath all the time.

@4x4gear33 4 месяца назад

I have both of these mowers. One other thing Toro has over Honda is that it mulches leaves better with its higher deck.

@GarageGear 3 месяца назад

I would agree with that!

@smunro851 8 месяцев назад

I have a Honda hrs216. Great mower BUT I’ve had a lot of trouble with the self propelled system when pulling the mower backwards. Had it in the shop twice and all they did was give it a bandaid fix. Engine is 2nd to none. B&S isn’t even close!

@GarageGear 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing this smunro!

@brodygoalie Год назад

How about the toro commercial 21 inch mowers? Retail of $1999.00 !! Are they personal pace? Super recycler? Please advise and review! Thanks

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey Brody! They do have the super recycler decks. They do not have personal pace. They have a drive bail system! Much more durable! I’ll have a video on one this weekend!

@brodygoalie Год назад

@@GarageGear better be more durable! $2 k is crazy. Why not personal pace? Thanks

@GarageGear Год назад

@@brodygoalie personal pace is a plastic homeowner gimmick . It works well but is not meant to be used all day commercially. Metal drive bails are the way to go commercially. 👍

@appleztooranges Год назад

Excellent video man. I just compared my 10 year old Honda hrr216vka to my brand new Honda hrx217hya.

@GarageGear Год назад

Appreciate you brother! Very cool I’ll have to check it out! 👍👍

@Nikolasto77 4 месяца назад

Is the Toro more powerful? I have super thick Bermuda grass and my Honda HRN216VKA struggles to get through it at one inch height of cut.

@GarageGear 4 месяца назад

Yeah it’s got some power behind it!

@erichvonmolder9310 Год назад

I would definitely go with the Honda, BUT, Honda isn't making new lawn mowers anymore - last year 2024 I think - they will be out of the lawn mower business - too bad. I have a 16 year old Honda, still running well and always keep it in the shed, so no rusting and looks good. Someday I will need to replace it, then I'm stuck with inferior products to choose from, too bad again. Can you tell us what could is better than a Toro, rather than a Honda? I don't mind paying $600 to $700 for lawn mower, not more, what are other top of the line mowers? By the way I remember paying a little over $300 for my old Honda, just to give context. Great Analysis!

@GarageGear Год назад

Hey Eric I’m going to give the ariens razor a look! We’ll see how that mower is and how it compares!

@billdocauer3136 Год назад

Should give a top of the line Snapper Hi Vac lawnmower a try. Best lawn mower on the market and made in the United States.

@GarageGear Год назад

That could be a possibility! Thanks for sharing bill!

@jamesgorman5774 Год назад

dang closest dealer 90 miles who would have guessed

@allencapps4622 Год назад

Yeah I still have a snapper going on 16 years 😁.

@josecabrera1623 10 месяцев назад

I bought the toro but it leaves alot of grass behind especially in turns anything i could do to help it

@GarageGear 10 месяцев назад

Hey Jose! How many times per week are you mowing?

@cahg3871 Месяц назад

Blame the EPA for Honda no longer making lawnmowers in America.I disagree about the Toro and the supposedly cumbersome handle-Personal Pace is the easiest of all self propelled systems to use.When you stop walking,the mower stops.No having to drop a handle,or grab it again to get it to move forward.

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing cah

@brianl4350 Год назад

Just got the Honda a few days ago. It works great, very clean cut

@GarageGear Год назад

Great mower!👍

@36736fps Год назад

The Toro ground speed control is the best by far because it is fully automatic. Walk faster and the mower speed increases. Walk slower and the mower speed decreases. With the Honda you have to constantly coordinate your hands and walking speed, and the speed levers are very hard on my arthritic thumbs. My Honda engine would not restart when hot, so the electric start was useless. The Toro with blade brake does not need to restart when hot. These factors were big enough to make me give away my 2 year old Honda and buy the Toro.

@GarageGear Год назад

Thanks for sharing

@Abel3270 Месяц назад

Took my Honda to get the recall fixed, and when I got it back they said I had a bent crankshaft when it never did when I took it in. Sad I loved that mower.

@GarageGear Месяц назад

Hmmm what happened to the crankshaft?

@Abel3270 Месяц назад

@@GarageGear no clue .. all they said is it’s bent and I did it ..

@GarageGear Месяц назад

@@Abel3270 aren’t they wonderful? Geez!

@Abel3270 Месяц назад

@@GarageGear tell me about it!

@Abel3270 Месяц назад

@@GarageGear Took it to another mechanic! And my crank wasn’t bent!! She’s running brand new! They just put everything on wrong! So happy with my HRX🔥🔥

@bradlindsey6516 10 месяцев назад

Been hearing about Honda mowers having camshaft issues. Have you ran into that? Are any models better than the other?

@GarageGear 10 месяцев назад

Hey Brad! Lots of people have been complaining of this issue. You may want to look for a lightly used Honda to get you by in the meantime! Toro makes a decent mower too but it has its issues as well!

@hoebeke4205 Год назад

Honda is just quitting gas power equipment. Just recently bought the honda hrx and its a beast🤯

@GarageGear Год назад

Yep they’re getting out! Crazy! Congrats on your purchase!

@jmabs5096 8 месяцев назад

I would compare the honda gvc engines to more of Briggs quantum flat head engines quatems that are easily one of the best (discontinued) engines that where paired to toros. The flat heads are indestructible! I work on small engines as a side gig. I've seen plenty Briggs flat heads decades old and abused yet they are still running.... The gvc line is more of a home owners engine that will last a very long time also. HONDA GX series is another monster. THOES are can be used and abused and still go!

@GarageGear 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing jmabs

@skeeterssurpriseful 23 дня назад

You ain’t beating a Toro Super Recycler. Win for Toro Super Recycler. Looks like Honda paid this guy.

@GarageGear 23 дня назад

Thanks for watching

@LawnmowerMaster Год назад

Going to return my toro timemaster to ace. Wish me luck.

@GarageGear Год назад

Smart move! Good luck

@Dr777cl 3 месяца назад

😆 Anotha 1. Great Video. Thanks

@GarageGear 3 месяца назад

Thanks for watching Dirty red!

@rjb 4 месяца назад

It is Feb. 2024 and I have the chance to get a Honda HRX217. Besides them not being made anymore is there any reason I shouldn't get it? I know electric is great but I just want something I know that could be my last mower ever.

@GarageGear 4 месяца назад

They have a camshaft issue on some mowers that were recently made. Neighbor bought one last year with no issues. I would get it! It’s under warranty!