tubatuba perhaps the new model but the 15 and older are unstoppable in the snow and off road. I had a 10 and did all three stages of tfl goldmine hill easily... with Michelin Defender all seasons.
tubatuba I have a 2012 HONDA PILOT 4WD and a few times every summer when it’s 115*-122* degrees outside, I drive from my house in Palm Springs, CA To Laughlin, NV purely off road taking nothing but off highway 4x4 trails; usually taking 6-8 hours, and I’ve never had any kind of issues with overheating of any sort. Even my 13 year old daughter know better than to speak on what others say SMH
tubatuba , TFL tested the Honda Ridgeline a 2nd time and it made it up Gold Mine Hill with no transmission overheating problems. When I bought my Ridgeline 11 years old I had no intentions to go off road with it but it's good to know that it can . Every vehicle will have its limitations , buy according to your needs and wants . Your the only one you need to make happy , have a nice day. 😎
The Ford Edge Titanium AWD *(w/ "Elite" package)* that you are testing makes me feel good about my purchase now, even though I might have paid more than I would have for a Honda Passport Elite. Thanks for releasing both reviews of all three vehicles over the past two days.
I knew the Passport was going to win BUT I didn’t expect the Edge to do as well as it did ( good job Ford) and I knew damn well the Nissan was going to suck.
Really good idea for a test! More videos like this! However, it seems like you could have added another few minutes and tested the different drive modes. While it’s certainly interesting to see the results in normal mode, it would be really cool to see the effects of the different powertrain programming.
Audi stands above all of them. None of them can compare to Audi’s AWD System. I would never buy a Honda due to how horribly ugly every single model is and how slow they are.
TheGoldenTheory I think Audi and Subaru All wheel drive are equal. I know this because my mom has a Subaru, and My dad had an Audi. They both preform very well. But obvi the Audi has better quality.
Caiden M-B I have an Audi and I’ve driven my friends Subaru and they slide all over the place lol. They’re not the same in any way. I drive through roads full of snow no problem, meanwhile all the other cars are sliding all over the place. Honda has also been known to have a fake AWD system, along with Toyota. Asian cars can’t match to European engineering.
LOVED this test! Really showed what the AWD systems can do! Little disappointed of that Nissan’s AWD. But the Ford and the Honda did GREAT! Would absolutely LOVE to see these 3 beautiful vehicles go up gold mine hill!
Request to improve the quality of the test. Place a piece of White tape on the side wall of the tire, so that we can see how many times the wheel actually spun round before the car completes the test.
I just got a 2018 Edge Titanium. I love it so far! Gas mileage could always be a little bit better but the interior is beautiful and I have no problem fitting my 95 pound dog in the very back!
Hi! I wanna buy the same vehicle. But many info about rear lights (not properly fixed, vibration) & over sun roof (some plastic details vibration, noise) via rough road. Is it true?
Recently, here in Pacific NW, we had SNOWMAGEDDON, 22 inches everywhere. I pulled out 2 Honda CRVs, 1 was in the ditch for 9 hours, driver still inside, 1 Subaru Forester, and 2 other F150s , 1 was 2x4, and the other just plain buried, with my 18 F150 5.0 4x4 supercrew. The 1 piece that really helps . . . . .REAR DIFF LOCKER. The wife has a 16 Range Rover LR4 and it also did amazing in the snow. Good tires make a huge difference too.
I pulled out dozens of cars and trucks in Feb 2018 with my F250. Most were idiots with summer tires that thought their pavement princess truck could handle the snow
I cannot believe these results! I’ve only had this Murano For 10 months, we’ve had some heavy snow here in Washington and while everybody else has been slipping and sliding this little Murano on all season tires has been a champ. Try another Murano maybe a defect
Even in those type winter conditions, the occurrence of the exact scenario Tommy is simulating in the 3 wheel slip test from stationary is probably pretty rare.
All 3 were very impressive for for simple testing and will suffice for daily use and patrolling parking lots, much better than the Toyota Highlander. Although the Murano is the oldest design there, it is still with proper tires will get you where you need to go. I've taken my previous fusion fwd with all season through a foot of unplowed snow no problem.
We had just bought a passport when a very wet monsoon season hit here in az, honda awd is flawles in many instances we were the only ones not slipping all over the road
I’ve worked at a Nissan dealership as a tech and also as a tow truck driver and I used to tow a lot of nissans and volkswagens and Chevrolet trucks but I had a few fords but not as much as the first three. I still think this was a good comparison and Ford has come from a long ways with the technology. Honda has always been good.
Everyone’s bellyaching about the Murano but you have to remember it’s a passenger vehicle with AWD for road safety, not off roading. If you’ve lost traction on 3 wheels you have bigger problems anyway...lol
@@ARU-vidChannelwithNoName My 2020 Murano AWD is in its element happily cruising 75-80 mph on interstates on cross-country road trips. If there's a bit of snow on an uphill entrance ramp it'll handle it.
As a Ford guy, being outperformed by Honda is a relative constant. We were #1 and #2 in intial quality for years. Honda makes a hell of a car. Sad to say.
Ok I finished watching the video and I was right. I started watching and heard you talking about the torque vectoring in the passport and I own an older '15 Edge so Im a Ford guy and thats why I picked the Edge. I think the 3 wheel slip test is a a great way to test ANY AWD System! Kudos 😜
Owned 3 AWD Muranos going back to 06. Currently have a 18'. Live in Chicago and NEVER had issues in snow here or in Northern Wisconsin where we go frequently. For those Ford fans dissing the Murano- remember the Edge was designed specifically to compete with the Murano after the Murano was stealing sales back in 05-06.
Soon as Tommy said one didn't make it, I knew it was going to be the Nissan. As a side note to TFL, I think those rollers need to be lubricated, you could see them smoke when the nissan was on there. The squeak suggest it needs to have some oil/grease added to the bearings. Love these videos though!
Donald Megahan I’m sure it did, however the system probably sends very little torque to the back axle under that type of throttle input. That, and on the three wheel test he did; the traction control system has to effectively counter the fact that it’s an open diff and brake power from the spinning wheel and send it to the only wheel that’s on pavement. For the Nissan, their software likely doesn’t allow enough power to be sent to that wheel. Unless the dude driving wasn’t giving enough throttle. I’d be curious if he was flooring the throttle or not.
These are useful things to know, not only the test results, but how they work both when in use and not in use. I also learned that Passport was like the Pilot, which is something I can consider because I love the J35 engine and powertrain for longevity and being a good actor all around. The Edge is a very nice SUV and reliable starting with April 2019 build dates and newer and can be had for an good price.
That’s the same with our 2015 Murano. Does great everywhere we take it. The most mpg we got out of our was 45 mpg. That was driving 2 hours to Tahoe and 2 hours back.
I have a 2020 Edge, loaded SEL in Burgundy velvet metallic color. I absolutely love it, great power, and ive driven it in some pretty hairy snow storms we've had up here in upstate NY, i currently have blizzak snow tires on it and I'll tell ya what, this thing is a beast in the snow and shitty situations.
No real surprise with the Nissan Murano. Don't like either one of them but, If I had to take one? I would take the Honda. Thanks for the tests Tommy. Would have liked to see the 3 wheel slip test on the incline as well. But I guess suffice to say, if the Murano, didn't distribute the power on a slight incline, it would have been a disaster on an incline.
Awesome! Just subscribed for MORE SLIP TESTS. But you guys need to add one final test. Give just one front wheel traction, like you did with one rear wheel. Many rear differentials have limited slip, but very few front ones do! That would be an AWESOME test. Still... This did eliminate the nissan murano for me. Test the Rav4 hybrid please! 2016-2018 vs 2019+
Good job, Tommy. Can you continue this test with another group? I'd like to see how the "non" wrangler Jeeps do as I am currently looking to buy something from Jeep, but even a best in class test would help. Thanks Bob/Okc
I could of told you the Nissan wasn't gonna make it lol. Ford's awd system has always been pretty good, live in the northeast and its never left us down in our 2012 ford escape and 2010 ford Taurus SHO and we have 2 explorer for the serious stuff lol.
@Google User There's no way that the Murano has a locking diff....It's got a AWD Lock button. When engaged, it splits power 50/50 front/rear. It's not a locker.
I would have tried throwing the Murano into AWD Lock mode.. i know on my Nissan Rouge sport which has the same AWD system.. iv used that and gotten out of some very deep snow. Would be interesting to re-try the roller test in AWD LOCK mode.
The problem appears to be that the Murano has an “open” rear differential and the traction control system lacks the ability to brake each rear wheel individually. So, unless “AWD lock” mode has the ability to lock the rear differential, it won’t sole this problem.
I have a 2020 Murano AWD, for some reason there is NO AWD LOCK feature. I had a 2017 Rogue AWD that did. It would automatically kick out at about 20 mph.
3Seriez that’s a really good point! Never would I even consider any of these vehicles if I needed more traction. My gf just got the 2019 Murano and we live in Wisconsin. Looking forward to snowy conditions in this car. Aside from this traction test it drives like a dream. Super comfy, smooth ride, great mpg, great visibility...I’m tired of haters. It would be very boring if there were only 2 manufacturers.
Suzuki pulled out of the North American market after the 2009 Economic crash so no Jimny for us.... Super sad because it looks awesome. You can't even import one because the USA has a ban on importing non USDM vehicles newer than 25 years old. This is why there's currently a boom in early 90's JDM Kei car imports.
Tommy - During the nissan test @ 8:36 you can see the front RIGHT wheel spin but with no traction, If you had all four wheels at the same height, it would be a more accurate test of traction control.
Can you guys do a midsize towing comparo? Mayne gather all these midsize crossovers with a 5000lb tow rating and run the gauntlet on them? Im thinking cherokee, passport, santa fe...
I have a 2012 HONDA PILOT 4WD with a 2” ReadyLift and 32” BFG’s and people always trip out when they see how capable the PILOT really is. Wether it’s snow, sand, rocky rutted out terrain the thing just claws it’s way threw.
I have a '14 Rogue with Michelin Defenders. It defaults to front wheel drive when driving but adds a little power to the rear when starting. It has a display that shows how it splits the power... It usually does around 90/10 when starting. I've deliberately put my Rogue into icy ruts, stopped completely, and never gotten stuck, even without using the AWD lock. The lock makes it more surefooted in the snow; it splits front and rear power 50/50 as you'd expect. The AWD lock automatically disengages at 20 mph. I assume this newer Murano has a similar setup. I'd really like to see how a Nissan does the 3 wheel slip test with the lock engaged. And if Nissan programs their AWDs to offer a little more power to the rear it would probably pass this test without using the AWD lock. Having said all that, I came here to check out the Passport AWD system and I'm impressed.
I had a 2017 Rogue AWD. It started 50/50 front/rear every time I checked with the instruments settings display, gradually shifting to 100/0 front/rear as speed built. I now have a 2020 Murano AWD, Muranos do not have the AWD LOCK feature.
I'm one of those fool idiots ( lol) that actually take my old 2011 Escape off road. It had intelligent AWD system and I'm here to say it works very well. I've been in some pretty serious off road situations with it. I've actually had the rear corner WAY up in the air with one front wheel deep in a hole. The traction control has never let me down. I only wish there was a company that made modification parts for it, because Ive take the little Escape everyplace I took my 2000 Jeep Cherokee. It has 8.4" of ground clearance, you just have to remember that it has no skid plates.
Honda wins. Ford a close 2nd. Nissan last but still quite good considering it only really got stuck when only 1 wheel had traction. Great test! But you should replace with or add 1 test: only 1 FRONT wheel has traction. That woud give some useful info. Afterall, the Honda says it can route almost all power to the rear wheels and THEN up to 90% of that ower rt or lt. But what about the front wheels? Please add that test.
Can you please debunk the old "apply both gas and brake to get unstuck" myth using these rollers ? Maybe with your suzuki samurai as a test vehicule to avoid electronic interference. Please TFL
That ford is hideous in my opinion the Honda is the best hands down and who is going to buy an suv for performance in this class no one would really care and anyway your getting Honda Reliability
I had a Ford for 18 years, or should I say I worked on my Ford for the last 15 years that I owned it. I still have a 2000 Acura and other than taking it in to keep the warranty valid and recommended maintenance, it's never been worked on. I bought the 2019 Passport, because Honda has been forced to have a Fall Fire Sale, with $6,000 to 7000 off MSRP..
Love how much you have grown as a channel, and the content you provide. I have to ask. Why in the world do we not get here in North America, the same cars that they get in Australia ? For example... The Ford Everest. It is like the ford explorer 5-7 seats. It has the same Intelligent 4WD Terrain Management, but with a little extra. When it is in rock mode, you get to activate 4x4 low range, and is has a rear dif lock. "4x4 low, and real lock" ? Boy we are so lucky to get the inferior ford models here.
Nice job Tommy! I would second the motion for "non" Wrangler Jeeps as I'll also be in the market. 2019 Renegade (if it ever shows up), Compass, Cherokee & GC would be awesome. (Assuming a QDII GC would pass & Locked Rear Diff Cherokee would too.) However, it'd be nice to see them all in action.
They had Bridgestone Blizzaks a soft snow tire on the Passport gives it a big advantage I own a Ford Edge got it because the dealership gave me a great deal if I got the same deal with Honda I would take the Honda because of resale
Hey Tommy, would really like to see these three battle it out on a 100 + mile MPG loop. Will be in the market for a 5 passenger CUV in the near future and don't think the 2.0 Ecoboost can match it's EPA rating or the Passport. Prove me wrong!
I have a 2.0 Ecoboost 2014 Escape AWD ( ya... little lighter). BUT I get 32- 33 on highway @60 mph. Freeway. (75 mph ). It's drops to about 29. Combined highway and city I average 26mpg. Just in case your interested.
He'll probably have to upgrade those rollers. Assuming those things weigh 4K pounds...that's 500 pounds per roller. Big trucks can be 2-3K pounds heavier.
umm i looked up a lot of chevy equinox models and the one that looks closest to the passport is the new 2019 one and honda has had that look for 3 years now, the 2016 pilot looked like that
Basik Vids the Ford looks the most feminine. Nathan and Mike from TFL said in the previous video that the Passport looks the best due to it looking the most Masculine. The Ford looks like all the other fords, which I guess is a bad thing.
You guys should toss in the new Hyundai Santa Fe. Very few reviews & comparisons out there. Would be curious to see how their AWD system compares. Thanks as always for all the content!
In real life, inertia is your friend when traveling up slick mountain roads. The systems that “brake” the spinning wheels kill inertia, and nearly stop you when you need to move forward. I’ve been driving slick, ice and snow covered roads for 35 years. Brake systems stink.
Kent less restrictions on Nissan dealers they have no choice if they wouldn’t give huge discount nd sell it $3-6K less than a rav4 or CRV they would go bankrupt
The Edge us a twin scroll EcoBoost pulling 254 hp, and the acceleration from a dead stop pulls higher revs. more torc Hence easing down on the acceleration would have prevented that slight wheel spin. Actually Honda and Ford were tied. I drive an Escape Titanium AWD with same EcoBoost engine, .
Great Video and VERY INFORMATIVE...... was there a roller test done with one front wheel on the ground and the other 3 on the rollers? That seems to be missing???
