Squeaky (the yellow car) and I had just burned through a set of RE71RS's and while that tire gave my setup incredible grip and better lap times, I as a driver needed some real seats. With the slower and less grippy Conti's, the car is at the right balance and playfulness and that tire is very thermally stable; seems like it can play that way all day long which I did that day. End of the day I was exhausted. On my final session I burned through most of a tank of gas and only came off when I had an empty tank; tires were just warm to the touch.
1.3 seconds with much slower contis and no aero is pretty impressive and speaks volumes about the shortcoming of the KW dampers. Looks like the yellow car could benefit from some alignment or setup changes too.
I’m sure KW makes great motorsports dampers, but I couldn’t stand my V3s (on E36 M3). They’re supposed to be street oriented coilovers that can handle some track use, but I found them to be pretty awful on the street, and entirely unimpressive on track. Switched to Annex FastRoad Pro coilovers, and for $1000 less they’re everything I wanted the KWs to be.
That's pretty much the gold standard for ride comfort and the occasional track day. It won't slam the car if that's what you're looking for. I'm a dealer and would be happy to get you set up for a great price.
@zygrene valid point. You and Kevin have me spinning whether to keep my gr86 paired with my type r or find something else. All this s2000 content makes it tempting.
Your amazing track driving skills really shone in this video! Three S2Ks with different tires and setup and you were able to handle the car well near/at the limit. Don’t let all the seat time and experience with the FR platform go to waste! Looking forward to more FR/MR track content! 🔥
I have kw v3 on my miata but never loved them either. Their sales pitch was they developed those shocks on a chassis dyno. The rear doesnt have enough travel or bottom out control and i frequently bottom out around town even on max ride height
It mostly bottoms out because the spring rate on KWs is so low. On a nc it is 5/4kg progressive. The dampers themselves are decent and have enough travel.
honestly , the only way to really do a comparison is data, seem like there is aim logger on one car and it should be easy to install between the cars, that would be the only way to really see the difference.
I've never been a fan of KWs for this platform, all of their off the shelf options are too soft for track duty. Even when they first came out they were slower than the other off the shelf options of the time, I'd only image this problem has gotten worse with how much sticker tires are now.
Actually, the V3 is designed to be a street coilover with occasional track use, but my Cayman drove better at autocross when I changed the compression and rebound from the default street setting. The general rule is lowest rebound and highest compression for your platform. Not sure what the actual clicks to set for the S2000 though.
@@DC5BrandonI know they aren't a dedicated track oriented coilover and imo they are too soft for your average hpde warrior but I see them recommended from time to time or in track builds. The V3 CR are barely an improvement over the V3. KW need to release a new coilover for the S2K, the V3s are from like the mid 2000s. I'm sure they could make something way better now
@@sbfd3s Yes, the V3 is categorized as "street performance" by KW. Even though off-the-shelf there is only a V3 Clubsport, you "could" get something custom made via Development Request. In theory, the options are V4/V5 Clubsport and V3/V4/V5/V6 Racing. Someone from the US recently got them to develop a V5 for the NA1/2 NSX...
The best suspension is the one that has properly matching springs and damping for the specific car setup and driver. Just get tractive, adjust it on the fly, forget the rest, forget that you had extra $6-9k before getting it.
ahah just like the second s2000 I bought one with 25k miles in 2018 with the idea to enjoy it original and now it is modified and I track it as much as I can which is not much but still :) buy the finest showroom example and then trash it ahah well I keep it well honestly I just enjoy it as it should be enjoyed. nice review very interesting. I have the 71rs on my S660 here in Hong Kong and they really are incredible and well behaved on the road like a normal tire. My s2000 wear Nankang AR1 and it seems to be on a tractor tire in comparison
Great video. What are the wheel offsets, these are all 255 square tire setups? Would love to have the KW clubsports included here because they are more track focused over the V3 which is street focused. Would also love to hear your opinion on the OSG diff vs stock as I imagined it would contribute more to lap times then it seems to be doing.
Yup all 255 square setups with 17" wheels. Unsure of the offsets. OSG diff definitely helps corner exit but I actually find that the OEM diff, if in good condition, does a pretty good job.
you mean how much did I pay for it? I bought it for 32 back in April. had a few issues due to it sitting for a few years but after resolving them it turned out to be a very good buy. it's a sweet car with just the right mods now. just need to quiet the brakes a bit.
Great comparison. I know the AP1 has some differences, but would you think the AP2 comparisons would translate similarly into AP1 going for similar setups? Thanks!
I went over Tillett's website, and based on the overall shape, the seat looks like it's the B8 model with the optional two-panel cushion set added. The seat by itself is padded only on the headrest by default. Could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident it's the B8. Hope this helps
Looking for a set of wheels.. Id like to run 17x9 with 245s square. Does anyone have recommendations? Barber motorsport days and autocross. I dont want to roll fenders. Should i stick to a 60mm offset?
Any noticeable difference in the shifter feel on the blue car? I have been eyeing the Hybrid detent springs for a bit, but haven't seen much feedback on them.
They give a more solid engagement and disengagement in gears. I personally like them but some may find it too stiff. They’ve definitely broken in and got softer
@@DIYGuysvideo yeah no way around it; except of course to switch to a lesser caliper. since my car will not be turned fully into track focus I may do that in the future.
Nvm, description answered my question. You would like well setup clubsport set. Better damping profile for track work and slightly stiffer spring rates. The normal V3s are like a touge setup.
@@harrybuhse8622 what does a discontinued car add to this world of faster and more modern cars?? All u guys idolize this and other old jap cars but its not until U won one u find out that well.. they old lol there is a reason zygrene doesnt have one and so many other bought and sold them.
interesting video, but there are too many variables (wheels, tires, spring rates, dampeners, cost of suspension, how old each design is) to be accurate
@@Zygrene They're 10 then. Their 9.5 has that weird concave in the center, but convex towards the edge thing going on to help with brake clearance, but doesn't look as good as an actual concave face. However, I do wish Apex would make a slightly lower offset version of the 17x10 in 5x114.3 so that they'd look a tiny bit more concave hehe