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HORIZONTAL or VERTICAL Position? | feat. KALI AUDIO IN-8 3 way STUDIO Monitor Speaker

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Do you know that the Studio Monitor speaker can sound different dependently on its placement? Let's try H vs V position on desk.
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@photosbyjf 3 года назад

amazed at the difference in sound. I have gone thru several YT videos about this question but this was only one that tested in a easily demonstrable way the difference. One audio engineer said not to go sideways, one said its ok, but to put tweeters inside to negate the directionality of high frequencys being off axis and that made sense. from this test I preferred the set as shown

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Thank you! That was exactly what I wanted to show. Hope to be helpful

@chinmeysway 2 года назад

Except that the thing you’re saying about tweeters being inside was not the demonstrated preference.

@matsudakodo 2 года назад

Just stand them up as designed and aim them at you. No one who is going to play your music back on their home system will have their speakers laying on their sides. This is the height of silliness.

@stealthis Год назад

@@matsudakodo as point sources, they are allowed to be placed horizontally, you may also have to do this if they are too high for your studio stands. I don't think it's really an issue when you consider other three-way monitors that have less than usual design such as lyd 48 or any coaxial monitor such as genelec. People make music on those all the time and they are not like speakers most people have

@matsudakodo Год назад

@@stealthis they are not point sources and you need to consider boundary effects

@audioinfinitymusic 6 месяцев назад

Horizontal stereo image is amazing with tweeters out many said we cant place in such maaner that was surprising

@matsudakodo 3 года назад

Upright is far better. On their side you're getting a big desk reflection causing a midrange to treble bloom. With that said, I would use full-range pink noise and measure.

@mikelo303 3 года назад

Horizontal. Tweeters outside. :)

@nofacemonster 3 года назад

Damn right... Wider soundstage even on my earbuds.

@TaylorDanley 2 года назад

Finally someone’s out here answering the real questions! Great video dude 💪

@MadSteex 2 года назад

Thanks 🤘🏻

@rubengregg9022 5 месяцев назад

Really great comparison. Thank you!

@king-kore-studio 3 года назад

These are actually designed to function Horizontal or vertical.

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Yap

@aaadiofc 3 года назад

@@MadSteex he asked a qustion

@aaadiofc 3 года назад

its horiontal actualy u can tell by the lenth

@THE.MICHAEL.ANGELO 2 года назад

@@aaadiofc I didn't see a question mark.

@chinmeysway 2 года назад

True but is there specifics about tweeters facing out or in?? Seems weird that it would be subjective w these.

@FedericoMissio 2 года назад

Hi dude, thanks for the nice comparison. However I think that as long as you hear a wider stereo image, then you gonna mix with a tighter one.

@overseer_grimal Год назад

I am used to working with headphones (yeah, blame me), so the horizontal placement with its wide stereo image and separation between left and right gives me a familiar feeling

@Baboonery_ 3 года назад

That’s how I set them up yesterday and I’m glad I have both a whirl - it’s sounding great horizontal with the woofers on the inside 💓

@ernieg 5 месяцев назад

i just set mines like that and man!!! Im Keeping them like that!!!

@thatchinaboi1 3 года назад

If you want the best openness while keeping depth to the stereo image, coaxial monitors is the way to go!

@adammusic1124 3 года назад

Yeah, really loved the woofer on the inside... I have my Yamaha MSP7s on their sides with Sonarworks and they sound great as it evens any of those lows you mentioned out, I'll be getting the Kali IN-8 2nd Wave this week with the 12" Kali Subs can't wait, they'll be my new mid distance monitors.

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Great choice man! I’ll tryout the 2nd wave

@coldtricky 3 года назад

Amazing how noticeable the ‘openess’ is in the horizontal with tweeters outside. I also get a better image with the tweeters at ear level.

@MadSteexProduction 3 года назад

Yeah the perception can change dramatically!

@DumbSkippy 3 месяца назад

I've always had tweeters wide horizontal... A1 sound staging !!!!

@GarciaOnThaBeat 3 года назад

It really does come down to one point really, make sure that the speaker was designed to be able working on its side. If it doesn’t claim to be able to do that, simply don’t do it, it’ll ruin sour results🤷🏽‍♂️

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Yes designed to use both in vertical and horizontal

@hienvu1714 8 месяцев назад

In case of the IN8 V2, Kali specifically says that it can be either way.

@ChrisCeeStylzChavez6155 2 года назад

Well To Me I Found The Woofer Outside Sounded Wider. Also Similar To The Upright Position. But Thanks For The Interesting Tutorial Was Looking For This 👐🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻👊🏻👍🏻✌🏻

@FreeGenerationtv 11 месяцев назад

Are we hearing phasing issues because the volume is not suppose to be changing up to 5DB. to me horizontally the highs stand out and become more clear the mids are clearer I hear more definition. And I don’t think it’s a desk resonance thing, vertically the bass goes away.

@pco2004 3 года назад

The horizontal position is obviously better sounding but is it possible that it's because the mic is more level with the tweeters in that position vs the vertical position? The mic should be placed at that 'sweet spot' mimicking ear level.

@MadSteex 3 года назад

the mics are always in the same position at ear level when in fron of the desk.

@uncleted3961 2 года назад

I agree. I think you needed to raise the mic for the vertical position because it raises the tweeters

@chinmeysway 2 года назад

Tweeters change = Sweet spot changes = mics should for sure change. This is already a questionable way to measure things but ask Kali Audio ?

@audioinfinitymusic 6 месяцев назад

Vertical sounds bit muddy and bommy but horizontal sounds bright? Sir can we plac presonus eris 5 xt in such ways

@Hamzamanzoor-tp3bs 5 месяцев назад

I much prefer them horizontall with tweeters on the outside for wide❤

@jujuondabeatbroski 3 года назад

fuggin perfect demo broski!

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Thanks 😊

@altegovibes 3 года назад

Final position is quite common with mixing stereo panoram for frequencies. Low freq in the center and hi air pumping freq on side.

@tonioswan 3 года назад

just got the in-8s 2nd wave...im blown away

@MadSteex 3 года назад

I’ll tryout soon them

@tonioswan 3 года назад

@@MadSteex i recommend using them in a horizontal position with the mid/high tweeter on the Outside for amazing stereo image

@MadSteex 3 года назад

@@tonioswan Yes like I always use my first version

@thatchinaboi1 3 года назад

Just get yourself a nice set of coaxial monitors paired with a sealed studio subwoofer and you won't have to deal with off axis inconsistencies.

@marcopolo266 3 года назад

Have you compared the horizontal sound in comparison to back the box-shown vertical direction but using ISO Acoustics 200's (+ or - depending on your speaker size. I.M.O. the 200's are great for the LP & IN 8's) Isolation Stand Audio Monitor stands. They allow adjustability for height, angel of speaker (so you can position the sound directly where your ears are located), focus, and insulation. For best results I reccomend placing your speakers on a "🗜️C-Clamp style" connection to the desk with an ISO 200 (whatever size 130,155,200 or 300+ for your home studio monitors and subwoofers) and/or compare using both in all directions on an independant metal stand with and without the ISO stands. 💪💯🙏🔑📀💰💳💷💶💴💵⚗️🧪🛰️🔊🎼🎶🎵✅

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Is this an Ad?

@marcopolo266 3 года назад

I'm curious how much of a difference there is when your monitors are horizontal or verticle on isolators such as those. It really makes you think

@MadSteex 3 года назад

@@marcopolo266 I'm using the Viablue UFO XL absorbers.

@DBIIIStudios Год назад

The mid range is super pronounced with the ports inwards. That’s how I’d keep them oriented. It’s the least flattering. Upright is the prettiest and outwards is boomy.

@Guyforkz 11 месяцев назад

I much prefer them horizontal with tweeters on the outside for wide stereo

@MadSteex 11 месяцев назад

me too :)

@fonoptikon 3 года назад

I think that when we hear all the other placements the signal is in mono.is that right ?

@MadSteex 3 года назад

No :) is the perspection! the horizontal position with tweeter in the out position there is an emphasize on the stereo image.

@wyatt.traxler 2 года назад

Did you measure the placement of your speakers to form an equilaretal triangle? If so, where did you measure from the speaker to your listening position? From the mid point or perhaps from the tweeter?

@MadSteex 2 года назад

Hi! Yes always measured from the center of the woofer, in this way ony the tweter will be moved, UP or SIDE

@lilrealondatrack 3 года назад

Just sub keep the content coming surprise you doing have a bigger following already but you will get there soon

@MadSteex 3 года назад

thanks man, really appreciated your support!

@CryzorBeatz 2 года назад

I got the Kali Audio IN 8 a few days ago. I'm testing different positions but I never came to the point to lay them horizontal because there is no official option. But for the 2nd Wave Version is a setup to put them on the sides. In your video I can see that you are sitting really near to your speakers, so my question is how annoying is the hiss sound of these speakers for you ? Btw. Great video I will try to put them on the sides too :)

@MadSteex 2 года назад

Hi Thanks for the question, I really can't listen any hiss noise in these IN-8 model, the LP-6 was the model with that hiss problem, however, it was very low the noise and as soon as the music started to play I was no able to recognize the noise anymore. IN-8 and IN8 2nd wave are identical in construction, so both can be used horizontally, is written on the welcome card when you open the IN-8 monitor box

@CryzorBeatz 2 года назад

@@MadSteex Thanks for the fast response. Okay I can hear the hiss sound in my IN8's but I have the IN8 and not the 2nd Wave of them. But when I start listening to music I can't hear it anymore too. I will try put them on the sides now :) Thanks and have a nice day

@MadSteex 2 года назад

@@CryzorBeatz I've the 1st wave too :) I'm waiting to test the 2nd wave. I've only tested the LP8 2nd wave

@CryzorBeatz 2 года назад

@@MadSteex Maybe I'm to sensitive about hiss sounds :) My measure microphone should come in a few minutes so I can make some tests in my room :)

@chinmeysway 2 года назад

Uh, ok but I think you’d have to reposition the mics for each position. No info about that taking place here pretty sure but this might be the main tonal / timberal differences I’d suspect…

@ryanshearer9110 2 года назад

No you wouldn't, the entire purpose of the microphones is to emulate your ears. Your ears don't change position when the monitors move around.

@belgradeboy1977 26 дней назад

Did you adjust the mic height toatch tweeter height when you switch from horizontal to vertical speaker placement?

@MadSteex 26 дней назад

@@belgradeboy1977 yes

@belgradeboy1977 26 дней назад

@@MadSteex the difference in vertical and horizontal is just crazy. Thanks for the test

@campar1043 2 года назад

sounds pretty mono when theyre vertical....i have vertical yorkvilles and they dont sound that mono

@joshnolte 3 года назад

Did you use the dip switches on the back to allow for the change in position? Are these the IN8 V2? In the video the stereo image with the tweeters on the outside was really cool! I'm looking to get these 2 speakers as I have heard great things about them.

@MadSteex 3 года назад

V2? I think there is only 1 version of IN-8 monitors. Dip switches always the same since the speakers are always near walls and on the desk

@joshnolte 3 года назад

@@MadSteex yeah it's the new one out, have a look at produce like a pro on RU-vid, or even sweetwater on Google. They completely remade the speaker from the original one. I'm pretty sure it says "second wave" under "studio coincident monitor" on the back

@MadSteex 3 года назад

@@joshnolte Oh just see the video of Produce Like A Pro, and yes semms there is new one version; thank you for the update, I'll try to get more infos about.

@joshnolte 3 года назад

@@MadSteex see what it sounds like. Apparently they're really good.

@LEVRAN 2 года назад

@@MadSteex nooo there's v2 oh damnnn😭

@Nicolae8607 Год назад

Thank you for the video,I jave the 6 v2 and I will try your set up My question is do you turn them off everyday or you keep them on all the time And also at the back the monitors have 7 or 8 switches..how u have them set up?

@MadSteex Год назад

Hi, I keep them horizontally always. I’ve the switches accordingly to the position on the speaker. On desk. Anyway Kali says that the LP version should be kept vertically. Only IN version can be swapped

@sloboat55 2 года назад

Excellent.

@keisaboru1155 3 года назад

Good test . Stay awesome

@MadSteex 3 года назад

thank you!

@XABI777 3 года назад

merci I agree

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Thank you!

@fonoptikon 3 года назад

did you switch any of the dip switches settings behind the speaker ?

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Yes for “near wall” and on desk position

@quintincooper3108 6 месяцев назад

I want these not sure if I want the white or black ones

@rsvp9816 2 месяца назад

45 degrees is where its at.

@sparecordingstudios3145 Год назад

I like a wide stereo emage like you do, but in this setup i 'm not prefer than much low end especially in mixing and mastering process because it makes my mixes lack of bass

@MadSteex Год назад

In whatevr posiion you place them , the first thing is always to know your monitor ;) both pro and cons.

@eliotorres3532 3 года назад

exelent video , thankyou

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Thanks to you man!

@mantashaft 3 года назад

Don’t just dismiss the missionary position.

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Ahahah best comment

@BoostDidier 2 года назад

What size is your room? I am currently debating between the IN-5 and IN-8. Not sure wether the 8's would be overkill.

@MadSteex 2 года назад

4x6 meters

@chinmeysway 2 года назад

Same! Wish there was better data on this very thing 🤔

@producertv4056 2 года назад

What stands do you have for these monsters. I’m about to grab v2 and I’m trying to take the stress off my output platform desk

@MadSteex 2 года назад

I’m using these absorbers: Which are the BEST ABSORBERS for Your Monitors? | feat. VIABLUE UFO XL ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zSyspLwoVpI.html

@bobboeve Год назад

Tried it your way with the in5's, really happy with it! Thanks for the video!

@MadSteex Год назад

Thanks to you to keeping me seriously ;)

@yogabyaakaash Год назад

I'm thinking about my surround speakers in my 7.1 setup. They are vertical but how about having them horizontal? 🤔

@MadSteex Год назад

I don't think it's the same.. stereo speaker in horizontal can enlarge the stereo image. but with 7.1 all around I think can b messy to make them horizontal cause you already have all around sound and keep airy frequency above than bass is better I think. 7.1 is not lacking of stereo image, cause.. well it's not stereo, it's 360 :)

@yogabyaakaash Год назад

@@MadSteex makes sense, thanks! 👍

@ZEALm.e.studios 5 месяцев назад

Interesting

@mantashaft 3 года назад

The test was very interesting. I am getting my first set of monitors soon and this was very interesting to me.

@hienvu1714 8 месяцев назад

Be aware that you can do this with the Kali IN8 V2 but not with most other monitors/speakers.

@leomoraes7vidas 3 года назад

AMAZING

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Thanks 😊

@darkestpointofficial 3 месяца назад

They sound better to me vertical

@kaidanovsky8061 3 года назад

hi, brill video! wishing you more and more views! could you please tell, how big is the room and is that a wall behind the desk or some kind of a panel? thx

@MadSteex 3 года назад

Hi! My room is 6x4 and my acoustic treatment is made by Oudimmo Acoustic Design, which is an italian company but you can request also for international shipping. In my Italian YT channel searching for “Mad Steex Production” you can find 2 videos dedicated to my acoustic treatment showing that panels.

@ChestermereTimes 2 года назад

Are the takes loudness matched?

@MadSteex 2 года назад

Same -0.2 dB of peak if I remember well. So peak matched.

@_Davyid_ 2 года назад

adam t8 can be put in horizontal position?

@MadSteex Год назад

I don’t think. But better to ask directly to the brand

@Ab20222 3 года назад

Why don’t you use a binaural head?

@MadSteex 3 года назад

I’m thinking about that expecially to show how some headphones sounds…but you know they are so expensive (I’m talking about good gear), I’m searching something on rental but is very difficult to have. Just returned a binaural mic of roland cause was too dark and useless for a good review. I’ll search more