After the original 5, Full Moon planned to make a series of films where the puppets fought against classic horror villains like Frankensteins Monster and Dracula. But after the 5th film, the producers pulled out and they had to scale the budgets way back.
@@jaystreet46 me too. The 6th film was called 'Curse of the Puppet Master' because in the original script, it was going to be fighting against the Mummy in Egypt, and they kept the name. The original film was actually partially filmed. The following films would have been with Dracula and Frankensteins Monster. The trilogy would have kept Guy Rolfe as Andre Toulon. Way better than all the bad films we eventually got.
To add to this, the scripts for that cancelled trilogy were written by two people and were fully completed, as the plan was to shoot all three movies at the same time. Recently those writers actually ended up putting all three scripts online to read for free, on one of their websites.
I love the Action Lab Comics and how they treat the Puppets as characters & not just special effects. Making Torch the reincarnated nazi son of Toulon adds a lot to his character. And they even gave a backstory for why we don’t see Shredder Khan after the opening scene.
@@jackraiser4391 Yeah, the first 2 could have been good with a better cast. But it goes downhill pretty quickly. I have watched the Rifftrax version of Retro Puppet Master quite a few times though.
It's a minor point but Axis of Evil couldn't have taken place in '39 because there's a plot point where the guy couldn't fight in the war for health reasons and America didn't enter WW2 until '41. Also, I think Littlest Reich fits if you accept that the N*zi was clearly not really Toulon. I mean, think about it. You had a steady stream of N*zis trying to figure out Toulon's secrets, well this jerk did, along with how to create knock off versions of Toulon's puppets. When he had to flee Europe, he needed an alias and chose to call himself Toulon and apparently made a living riding the old guy's shirttails. It was pre-internet so it's not like anyone was hitting Google to find out that the real Toulon had offed himself in Bodega Bay.
Puppet Master 3 is my favorite, but i love all of them! The Bunny is also a huge fan of the Puppetmaster movies, which shows that she has great taste in movies!
You could say that it’s her favourite scary movie You could say that if she doesn’t, she’s dead meat You could say I can’t think of any other vague things to say about her being on dead meat
Thank you growing up with these movies was awsome kids now dont understand what 80s and early 90s horror movies were like you could find a great one every weekend
I gave up on these a while ago, I loved some of the earlier ones even though they jumped from one thing to another and never really finished off plotlines and cliffhangers but some of the later ones were a crime against film making. I can't believe Josh spent his Christmas sitting through all of these lol I was going to say I hope you all had a great Christmas but how can I knowing you were forced to watch this lot back to back 😂 You can just see the gritted pain through Josh's smile while his better half and daughter are beaming with joy 😂
Great Time lines breakdowns..I am a fan of "Puppet Master" Movies but I still get confused of thier Time lines. Thank you for putting it into perspective for me....Now To Rewatch Every Movie With A Better Understanding Of Them.Great Work Bruh👍🏾💯👍🏾
I love the first 3 PM’s. At this point I would be fine with them going the Chucky route, and making a TV series focusing on the Puppets, making a definitive timeline, pulling from all of the franchise & tying up loose ends.
I've only seen the first few and that was when they came out. It seems like a fun series so I'll be rewatching those and checking out as many of the rest as I can. Thanks for the video.
I don’t want to be “that guy”, oh hell I love being that guy, in PMX he does mention Ninja, he says that Ninja didn’t make it, they couldn’t grab him in time, but yeah does kind of talk like Ninja was just another Puppet
I'd just flip the dates: Puppet Master 3 being in 39, Toulon telling the Puppets the Retro story in 41 as he's on the run, and then his death and the Axis movies being in 44....which would line up better World War II going on. At least for America. The rest...oh I'm sure I could B.S. something up, but it would be a project. And Merry Christmas to you and yours. Your daughter doing the 'Oh Hi Mark' thing was both hysterical and cute.
Wow, what a coincidence - I just watched/rewatched the entire series last month and was actually going to email you asking if you had any plans to revisit it. I do like the puppets and am always glad for more from them, though I don’t think Full Moon does them justice. If you haven’t, I would recommend the recent fan film Puppet Master: Revival. It does an admirable job trying to stitch together the series continuity and features what I could only say is a degree of physical competency from the puppets that the mainline entries haven’t had for years. Love the video, Josh! I hope you and your family have a great holiday. I appreciate everything you put yourself through for our entertainment, and I think it’s super cool when your family can get in on the fun as well! Take care!
It's interesting that the fluid used to reanimate people in these movies is Re-Animator juice. Not sure whether this is a shared cinematic universe or if it is now just a trope that reanimation juice is always green (and glowing green when injected) much like how zombies always want to eat your braaaaains ever since "Return of the Living Dead." Incidentally, if you like shared universes and Re-Animator, you should check out Pete Rawlik's books, almost all of which are set H.P. Lovecraft's shared universe (aka the Cthulhu Mythos). His first book was "Reanimators" that features Herbert West and several other HPL characters. Very fun stuff, especially if you like literary crossovers a la "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen," and best of all... he's a stickler for timelines! Seriously, all his crossovers are consistent within the HPL stories, which is impressive given how many characters he keeps in play.
I have an unhealthy fascination with these movies and their continuity. Doktor Death definitely takes place after part 2, as there was a deleted final scene where the main girl pulled out a flier for Camille’s puppet show from the end of part 2 (here’s the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vlS46ZV8SgQ.htmlsi=PKbrBvl2-Rhsd4c2 ) The only chronological aspect that I would disagree with is (and I’m probably the only person who does this) is I place 4 and 5 BEFORE part 1. Thus, the Bodega Bay Inn is still open AND when Rick opens the trunk to find the puppets, that trunk looks like it hasn’t been opened in decades. And in part 1, the puppets are already up and about when the psychics arrive at the inn.
I'm watching One Piece for the first time, and I got to the Luffy vs. Blueno fight last week. I'm almost done with Enies Lobby, but the important thing is that I watched this video as soon as it came out, and it made me go, "OMG! Blueno turned Luffy's face into a Puppetmaster reference!"
14:50 If I did the maths correctly, running 15 miles in 82 minutes is the equivalent to finishing a marathon (26.2) in two hours and twenty three minutes. From my research, while that time wouldn’t be considered truly world-class, below three hours is considered insanely impressive for a non-professional.
Great job on this. I loved the first 5 & enjoy Curse but I fell off after Axis but watching this has given me the urge to complete, I thought Rising looked really good here. I'm also really intrigued by the Blade & Doktor Death movies. I did enjoy the Littlest Riech but as you said it doesn't count in this timeline.
I just watched a Full Moon movie called 12 Slays of Christmas. I thought it would be an anthology movie, But it turned out to be a clip show of a bunch of the little Full Moon characters, with several of the Puppets mentioned. I at least hoped they would have did something with all of the characters at the end of the wrap around, but instead it just fizzled out.
I reconciled the '39 and '41 death dates in my mind with a "movie" that takes place immediately after the suicide in '39 in which the puppets successfully resurrect Tulon and Tulon dies a second time in '41. That would make the incidents of 2 of the second resurrection was Tulon's body without his soul and thus is either evil or his body was taken over by another soul. This explains he sudden change to evil and his uncaring about leech woman being burned.
according to nat brehmer's complete history book, the author of action lab puppet master comic was going to do a comic that picked up after the original 1989 movie and was about megan selling the puppets to magrew from curse! so that's why people sandwich it between 1 and 2. I know it is super confusing either way
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:01 🎁 *Introduction and Purpose of the Timeline Redo* - Introduction to the Puppet Master timeline redo. - Purpose is to consolidate information from various episodes. - Mention of a Christmas miracle needed for the timeline to work. 00:35 🏨 *Puppet Master (1989) - Setting and Characters Introduction* - Setting in 1939 at the California coast and Pasadena. - Introduction of the first puppet, Shredder con, and Andre Toulon. - Brief overview of psychic characters and the mysterious events at Bodega Bay Inn. 03:09 🔍 *Puppet Master 2 (1990) - Continuity Gaff and Plot Developments* - Continuation in the graveyard setting. - Inconsistencies with Toulon's death year (1939 vs. 1941). - Introduction of new characters, focus on reanimation, and Andre's resurrection. 06:46 ⚔️ *Puppet Master 3 (1991) - Toulon's Revenge and Nazi Plot* - Setting in Berlin 1941, Toulon's revenge against Nazis. - Introduction of new characters, including six-shooter. - Connection to the events of Puppet Master 1 and 2. 09:29 🔥 *Puppet Master 4 (1993) - Demon Suek and Rick's Introduction* - Introduction of a demon character, Suek, and a new totem. - Rick's introduction and involvement with the puppets. - Battle against the totem, consequences, and Rick becoming the new puppet master. 12:28 🤖 *Puppet Master 5 (1994) - The Final Chapter?* - Rick blamed for the deaths, recap of Puppet Master 4. - Introduction of new characters and conflicts. - The confrontation with the Suek totem and consequences for the puppets. 15:24 🤔 *Curse of the Puppet Master (1998) - Tank's Transformation and Timeline Placement* - Introduction of new characters and tank's transformation into a puppet. - Clues about the timeline placement and events following Puppet Master 5. - Struggles against Dr. Magrew and puppet conflicts. 18:08 ⌛ *Retro Puppet Master (1999) - Flashbacks to Toulon's Origin* - Flashbacks to Andre Toulon's past in 1912 and 1902. - Introduction of new characters, including young Elsa. - Toulon's pursuit of reanimation secrets and the connection to other films. 21:33 📜 *Puppet Master: The Legacy (2003) - Clip Show Recap* - Peter reading Toulon's diary and recapping events. - Clip show format revisiting scenes from previous movies. - Mlan's revelation and her goal to permanently kill the puppets. 00:00 🕰️ *Introduction to Puppet Master Series* - Overview of various Puppet Master movies. - Emphasis on chronological confusion in the series. - Mention of additional media like comics, action figures, and a video game. 03:50 🎭 *Chronological Start: Retro Puppet Master (1902-1912)* - Events of "Retro Puppet Master" set in 1902 where Tulon learns puppet animation. - Flashbacks to 1912 showcasing a more sophisticated puppet animation method. 04:45 🎭 *1941: Puppet Master 3, Puppet Master 1, Axis Trilogy* - Puppet Master 3 events in 1941, introducing Elsa, Blade, and Leech Woman. - Puppet Master 1 introduces the suicide of Tulon in America in 1941. - Axis of Evil and Axis Rising occur in 1941-1942, followed by Axis Termination in 1942. 09:43 🔮 *1945: Blade - The Iron Cross* - "Blade - The Iron Cross" set in 1945, involving Nazi experimentation and resurrection. - Blade's resistance against Nazis and the defeat of Dr. Hower. 13:08 🏨 *1989-1990: Puppet Master 1 and 2* - Puppet Master 1 and 2 events in 1989 and 1990. - Introduces Neil Gallagher finding the puppets and events at the Bodega Bay Inn. 13:53 🌀 *1992-1993: Puppet Master 4, 5, Curse of Puppet Master, Dr. Death* - Puppet Master 4 and 5 occurring in 1992, along with Curse of Puppet Master. - Dr. Death happens around 1992-1993. 15:14 🌀 *2003: Puppet Master - Curse of the Puppet Master* - "Curse of Puppet Master" set in 2003. - Focus on Dr. Magrew's involvement with the puppets. 17:33 🌀 *2004: Puppet Master vs. Demonic Toys* - Events of "Puppet Master vs. Demonic Toys" in 2004. - Sci-fi elements, missing puppets, and fighting against evil. 19:20 🌀 *2010-2019: Axis Trilogy, Littlest Reich* - Return with "Puppet Master: Axis of Evil" in 2010. - Followed by "Axis Rising" and "Axis Termination" and later "Littlest Reich" in 2019. 21:40 📅 *Conclusion and Release Beyond 2019* - Briefly mentions "Puppet Master: The Furnace" cancellation. - Talks about other media - comics, action figures, and a video game. - Encourages audience opinions on the Puppet Master series. Made with HARPA AI
Heh. I actually had a set of the actions figures when I was a kid, it was the main puppets and the retro puppets. Some of them where alternate costumes as well. However like a year after completing them some kids in the neighborhood opened all the packages and then trashed them. So sad. Haha.
I'm not sure Curse of the Puppet Master takes place in 1998. In the film, Tank says that the petrol station job pays him $30 a week. Minimum wage was $5.15 per hour in 1998. Dr Magrew offers to pay him I believe it was $35 or $40 per week, I can't remember which, to come work for him, which is full time work. So if the film is set in the 1990s, everyone is taking serious advantage of Tank and paying him significantly under the minimum wage. Or the film is set in a prior decade. The wage seems to line up with what you might expect in the 1950s. It seems more likely to me that the Callander was an oversight rather than the writer or director had no concept of what people earn.
I'm all about crossovers, but I sure did hate VS DEMONIC TOYS. Still, I ignore the inconsistencies and keep it in continuity just so I can have the Puppet Master franchise in a larger horror continuity.
S. Craig Zahler, Fabio Frizzi, and Thomas Lenon, as much as they tried with new material put into Puppet Master: The Littlest Reich, it kind of failed and burned up on reentry. It really sucks when that much talent is on display and working on a passion project and it falls apart. What was the controversy surrounding the production company, if I may ask? - Great video essay, per usual. TY
I love the puppet Master series yeah there's a couple of the movies are kind of iffy like the third Reich and retro purple master but overall I can't complain I enjoy them all. And yes I would love to see some more.
The one thing I don't like about these movies is Toulon's character. He keeps switching from hero to villain, it's very inconsistent. He should have been the hero the whole time.
Up until watching this timeline video, i dont think I'd seen a second of any Puppetmaster film, and didn't know there were this many! If you were bothered by the spelling at 38:53, then I'm surprised you didn't mention the newspaper at 40:19 - I counted 6, and I'm not sure I got them all...
Sorry (not sorry)lol,I still give props to when Torch appears in Pt2 and that stupid kid later is playing w/his other figures,doing torture thing's (never whipped my toys lol,but i did take a cpl joe figures,melt em a little&put them on crucifixes in front yard!) FOR THE LIFE OF ME,COULDNT UNDERSTAND WHY DAD DIDNT LIKE THAT TOO MUCH!?🤷♂️..... Anyway lol,u see from kids viewpoint ole Torchys eyes turn red,he's pissed lol,and lifts that hand and FLAME ON! Kid shouldn't be a douche-nozzle,huh.. 🤪🤣😂✌️🍻🤟
I'm only a casual fan of the franchise but I liked that in the first one the dolls weren't really evil so much as controlled by an evil person and later when they gave the backstory of the souls being from victims of the Nazis seeking revenge it made me cheer for them BUT I hated when they retconned them to be Nazi made monsters. First of all changing characters from being anti Nazi to pro Nazi isn't some little continuity error it is a full blown mythology change that shows little respect for long time viewers and second of all it makes them full on villains you need to see destroyed. Very disappointed by the franchise as a whole.
that don't bring it up in the films. he's never seen nor heard of again outside of that opening scene. i'm sure i'll address what happened to him in a different video, one that's not focused on the films only.
