HORSE ESCAPES THE CAGE IN FLIGHT | Cargo B747 Return to Kennedy 

🎉🎉Horse gonna be a 🐎...As usual,thanks for the post, appreciate.

horses are crazy, gotta use mules instead

Sadly the horse was killed after they landed. Those horses are treated more like commodities and equipment than living creatures. The owners determined it was better for the insurance coverage to essentially declare it “totaled” to cover the costs of the fuel dump and flight delay than to try and ”repair” it. 😢

@@kathrynslye471 , Source please. Seems like disinformation., especially if you can't give any reliable source that can be verified. v

@@kathrynslye471 , I was able to read in 3 different sites the horse was euthanized due to their legs being hurt/damaged while trying to escape it's enclosure. The people that want the horses, have more money than sense. v

More than 20 tons, really... You also need to add the fuel actually burned during the flight

20 Tons Is the fuel jettisoned

We travel with veterinarians onboard when we have live animals. Curious as to why they didn't.

I read an article saying that the injured horse was in a stall block locked in behind other stall blocks. The incident horse tried to crawl over the top of it's stall and got hung up with the front legs in a stall of a different stall block, and the hind legs in it's own stall. The other horses had to be removed so the front stall blocks could be removed before the onboard vets could attend to the incident horse.@@burnn3

That was my first thought… probably around $20k in jet a 😱 Have to imagine that horse is worth a lot more than that though

Certainly cut down on the questions from the control center.

If he skips the intro and just mentions "a horse has escaped, we need to return to the airport," ATC might have asked him to repeat or provide more details because it's not a typical thing to hear. However, since he already started with that they were transporting animals, the horse escape suddenly makes a lot more sense. I'd say it was great comms.

Exactly. The lack of follow-up questions from Boston means he cleared up lots of air-time with his well-presented introduction to the situation.@@marcellkovacs5452

Yeah, I remember the DHL 757 that had somewhat similar problems in flight, tower was quite consed when the reason for the return was "We got a problem with the horse"

Stop horsing around.

@@tjazbrelih5486 Nag nag nag....

Great comment! LOL!

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@@JasonP407 *slow clopping"

😂

Neigh

Awesome comment!

That horse was doing some 20 minute dumping of it's own.

I'll turn this plane around! Sh*t, I have to turn this plane around.

Oh, wish we could!

My thoughts exactly! 😂

Best comment! However, I don't think any of us are qualified to get inside that genius brain and wit.

The pilot also had very clear pronunciation, coupled with extremely concise and straightforward messages. No messing around, delivering all the relevant information with as little ambiguity as possible. Headline: "Professionals at work minimize drama, deal with unusual situation efficiently and safely"

@@HerraTohtori Indeed.

Yeh that was brilliant at both ends. Clear talking, clear thinking.

@@HerraTohtori That's an awesome and true headline, that would've sold newspapers like crazy in the 1920's, but would go by unnoticed today 😕.

it's because it's a young controller.

Wilbur! 😉

Ironically, this particular Mister Ed gained his or her own wings shortly after returning to New York. Unfortunately.

We have stall warning. Atlanta 4592

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This years wine will have a special taste. ;-)

Obama will get them.

@@thomasrapp2536 Oh you still salty that a black man was able to get elected as president even so many years later? XD

it wasn't a complete escape unfortunately. And I say unfortunately because it got stuck in a way that caused it issues, so it had to be put down (due to how things are done, it wasn't possible for anyone to get it free)

Can the crew even access that compartment in flight? It's cut in this video but in the full transcript they say "we can cannot get the horse back secured". It's not clear if that means they can't get in or they can but there's no way to sedate it or move it if they could even put it to sleep. I can't imagine the feeling if they opened that door: a big NOPE before closing it as quickly as possible.

​@desmond-hawkins No access. These horse containers are loaded door facing door. There is access to feed and water but it is not possible to do anything else without removing the container from the plane.

And me too!

Probably sells Farmers insurance on the side.

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You are clever and you know it!

Welly JFK has got a vet station 😂

@@lyaneris Awww, I was imaging such fun over the tannoy!

I was on a flight once where the flight attendant asked if there was a veterinarian on board, swear to god!

Jup, mostly very expensive show horses. On how it got out: horses can kick apart their stall if panicked enough. Probably a wrong dose of sedation. Unfortunately, flying a horse is always a danger. On the other hand, I've heard there's good money in doing x-rays on horse legs 🤔

Expensive as in local buyers have been outbid by Kill Buyers - these live shipments of horses to Belgium is for slaughter for human consumption - their value in meat prices exceeds their value in life.

Thanks for posting!

Thanks for watching

Do they sedate the horse(s) before flying?

Yes they usually sedate horses, but sometimes they might not have the right dosage. I have heard of stories of horses losing it mid-flight over an ocean and the only recourse was the take the animal down. This is worst case scenario for flying a horse.

Probably got upset that it was $20 for a small bag of peanuts.

The horse suffered injuries and was euthanized

@@theresacaron4238 I haven't read that anywhere. Is that true?

Not on this plane

I'm picturing the horse on a Bonanza

Unknown where the pilot is from but it's very similar word in Spanish. Latin word, I guess.

The article I read mentioned the horse having been euthanized once they were able to reach it.

@@ER-jj7kg got a link to the article?

@@VASAviation The Airline is at least from Iceland, but that doesn´t mean of course the Pilots are from Iceland, too.

@@raptor4916 I don't have a link, but a CNN article went into more detail about the horse and what happened to it. Very sad.

Back in 2010 Midwest Airlines tried to change their callsign to "Chicago Center" and the FAA just pulled their operators license.

@@Aran2323I actually busted up laughing. I don't know if this is true, but that should prove the point that callsigns should not be approved if they when they would create confusion.

Even funnier if they were flying in Atlanta airspace!

The name of the Airline is "Air Atlanta Icelandic" - so, yeah...

Do horses have souls?

The pilot said "the horse managed..." So it´s only one.

@@Upuauta Or more 🐴 that stayed in their seats per flight attendant instructions.

Yes. All horses (and dogs) go to heaven.@@DVeck89

There's a video out there where a cat sneaks into the (hollow, maybe fabric) wing of a GA plane. The double-take the pilot did upon spotting it is classic!

@@chrisschack9716 I need to see that! Cats are hilarious !

@@JoJoGranum ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J_8mdH20qTQ.html Actually called "Remove cat before flight"

I remember one with a bird in the cockpit 😂

I second this question. We all likely recall the catastrophic failure experienced by a 747 performing a high angle take off from Bagram claiming all souls. The issue as I recall was due to a Stryker or Abrams coming loose from the floor lashings and shifting aft consequently stalling and crashing the aircraft. Since I don't know the exact horse conversion ratio I would guess 1 would not do it but 30 would. The 747 had full tanks and the fire cloud was massive.

@@Elbert_Heather a typical horse weighs around half a ton (1000 lbs), while an Abrams weighs close to 70 tons (140,000 lbs). A Stryker weighs about 20 tons (40,000 lbs), so no, a single horse moving about the cabin will not have the same effect. I'm sure it probably made flying the plane a bit interesting, given the trim probably would need adjustment as the horse moved, but also, it's possible the animal was contained in a smaller area of the hold and didn't have access to the rest of the aircraft. 40 horses would equal the effect of a Stryker moving around, but I think 40 horses are a fair bit bigger than a Stryker (though I've never seen one in person, so I may be wrong) and if you've got 40 free horses in an airplane, your in pretty serious ####. Also, pretty sure it was a Stryker or similar AFV that caused the Bagram crash. I don't think a 747 has the capability to load an M1 tank, but again, I could be wrong. I didn't know they could load Strykers honestly, thought they needed a C-17 or similar for that.

​@@Elbert_Heatherit was an MRAP that was improperly restrained. Mentour Pilot has a great (if sobering) video on it.

The weight of the horse was hardly a problem for the flight crew. The problem they had was the whole "scared and/or confused horse running around the cabin" part of the situation.

Hopefully some freighter pilots can answer this question

If it wasn't, it is now 😉

That’s going to be the question of the day: who loaded the horse?

Either something broke or someone made an error securing the animal. Horses are strong. Some are escape artists. I've seen them kick down walls, untie ropes and open stable doors.

Not sure how to load a horse on a plane, but I have seen a distraught horse freak out while tied to a trailer and snap 1" lead rope. They also mentioned they couldn't get the horse under control, which leads me to think it was in distress. I wouldn't want to get into a stall on an aircraft with a freaking out horse either, so probably better to get on the ground.

​@@AndrewandDebbie CNN has details. The plane hit some turbulence, the horse tried to jump out of the stall and made it halfway before getting wedged. Unfortunately, it had to be euthanized. :(

I've seen a horse break a mobile stall on more than one occasion. Having a panicking horse is no fun - especially in a small confined space.

Thanks for watching!

Apparently there once was a flight where a bear got loose in the cargo hold. And everyone pet it to calm it down 😂 (Local newspaper regarding this situation, but you can probably find that story on the internet)

@@lyaneris What? A bear breaking loose? You gotta be kidding 🤣🤣💀💀

@@dukeofrodtown1705 Thought it was a circus bear, but might have been the pet from this, let me try linking it

It's actually Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center. It guides anyone passing through the region. According to Wikipedia, it's actually located in New Hampshire. ARTCCs manage crowded skies. It's who to talk to mid-flight. The area around New York City has its own ARTCC.

@@icollectstories5702 Got you. So basically you're saying this happened while they're flying over the Boston controlled airpace, and Boston will ultimately hand them over to NY ARTCC before they are allowed to land, am I understanding this correctly?

@@akhilgahlawat I think so. I only know about them because I've always lived near regionally-controlled airspace, and informing the public keeps them safe from terrorism?? The rest is from the internet.

@@akhilgahlawat Boston Center is based out of Nashua, NH and controls the airspace over much of the Northeast, including more of NY State then NY Center controls. Cleveland Center controls the vast majority of Western NY and of course NY Center mostly controls Pennsylvania and New Jersey, bwhahahahaha. A plane flying out of NYC area and going East/North is basically in Boston center airspace in mins/seconds.

@@JamesJamersonIsAGod Thanks for the clarity, makes more sense now. It's so insane a Bolt bus takes 5 hours to reach Boston from NY, and a plane takes 2 mins to reach the BOS airspace from JFK, it blows my mind, but it's simply science! Haha, cheers mate.

That's a good guess

unfortunately it had to be put down :( it was only a partial escape from what I read, and the way it got stuck caused enough harm that it needed to be done

@@VASAviation not so much

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Dumped fuel can be sucked in The engine where can could ignite in the compressor stage in the engine, thus causing massive engine damage, or end up in the cabin because cabin air Is bleed out from the compressor stage of engine, thus can be hazardous for passegger health

You don't really want to be rained on by fuel :)

This was probably a race horse, generally Thoroughbreads, but sometimes Arabs. Best part of a ton.

@@cageordie I genuinely wouldn't know the difference. They both have four legs, right?😂

Any time!

@@VASAviation 🙂

Word has it the horse had to get on a line and ended up writing down a number...

Unsecured cargo + non-human medical situation (of a most likely very expensive horse without a vet on board)

Well, his lack of worries are a clear sign that it wasn't an Arab horse... ...Aight I'll see myself out.

Sadly yes, a CNN article actually described what happened. The horse spooked and in trying to jump out of the stall, got it's front legs over the door but not it's back legs. They couldn't solve the issue in flight due to space, and they tried to save the horse once on the ground, but due to it's injuries it was euthanized. So if that news is indeed true, it's a sad ending.

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@@janethouse1779 Oh that’s sad news indeed :/ But thanks for sharing!

@@janethouse1779 Ugh. Having worked around thoroughbreds I can only imagine. Pray it was a one-off and not negligence.

That's probably how the pilot found out the horse was loose. Pretty sure that horse wasn't a karen going full gimme-the-manager on a stewardess... so vet sees horsey go crazey, and phoned it in to the flight crew, I guess.

I would assume it would all be evaporated into fumes long before contacting the ground. I'm no aviation expert though so unsure of any rules. Maybe a pilot can chime in on this.

It's perfectly fine if you're doing it over Martha's Graveyard. I mean, Vineyard. Other than that, the evaporation-before-it-hits-the-ground is on point.

Correct. People on the ground feel nothing if dumped that high above.

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The Destination Airport was Liege in Belgium.

I have come here to chew gum and leave this exact comment.

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It’s a 747. The weight of a single average weight horse moving around would not affect it much.

The horse only got half out of its stall, so there wasn't really any weight shift, just a badly injured horse in distress.

It evaporates before it reaches the water or ground.

To reduce weight

@@VASAviation aaa ok, thank you

Of course, of course 😉

@@SolarWebsite neigh..or is it nay?

@@BIMMERKID2 at least they were in stable flight

What do you suggest instead?

@@MichaelOnines build planes that can land better

It would waste more fuel to do so than the occasional dumping by planes that have to dump fuel to make a maximum weight landing due to an in-flight emergency. You would have to carry thousands of extra pounds in beefed up landing gear required to increase the maximum landing weight to the maximum takeoff weight. You pay in fuel for every pound of weight you fly.@@sandordugalin8951

What is your knowledge in aviation to state such accusation? Fuel dumping is totally permitted above 6000ft anywhere. Fuel dissipates at high altitudes, sprayed so nozzled that is nearly a gas and fades into the the rest of the gases of the atmosphere. This airplane was doing it at 22,000 feet. Here's your learning for today, and it's free.

A live animal that weighs over a thousand pounds and is probably very expensive loose in the cargo area of a plane doesn't seem like a good excuse to turn around and secure cargo?

@@swrennie the joke went above your head at mach 10

good one