[REAL ATC] Aer Lingus HYDRAULIC LOSS and FIRE at JFK 

Ivan Eduardo Veloz Guerrero Exactly my thought! And in a very professional and polite way.

I think his accent is probably much stronger in everyday life but when flying he makes a big effort to take the edge off it so its clear

Which is remarkable given the perculiar situation they're in!

Radio clarity might be due to clear line of sight between plane and the volunteer ground receiver. The receivers often have poor or partial coverage (if any) of airport transmitters. Ground to ground is often not received at all for unofficial logging

The second Irish guy is too fast, not as clear

Peter Timowreef Well, to be perfectly honest, I assumed their citizenship based on their airline's hub... Might indeed not be irish pilots.

Bizarre comment...what are you getting at?

Peter Timowreef Now I'm curious... did you think I was a proud irishman, elevating the 'Irishness' of the crew because they did well? Or did you think, I was adding the qualifier 'irish' because I was somehow thinking this top-notch airmanship was unusual for irishmen?!? 'Cause... neither is true :)

I've worked in the Madrid airport with Irish persons and they are calm and the politest people of the world. Never had a problem. In this case I think they should have declared officially emergency.

I think you assumption might be correct considering the accents haha

NIc Fewer Luck of the Irish!

ナコルル王女 why I love aer lingus. Professionalism and safety

Ask Dustin Hoffman who the safest is. Rainman.....

You can really see why, they are perfectly trained in minimizing risks. These are not only the obvious things, like calling rescue even if you expect everything to go normal or the preparation of a easier go-around, these are also the small things like staying at 220 instead of accelerating. Sure no one is expecting anything to happen, but why should you accelerated to 250 when your plane is in good condition at 220.

@Nic Fewer: And the Viscount is still a mystery. What did happen to the Viscount?

Totally unnecessary though if Americans caught up with the rest of the world and used the metric system. Nobody but Americans uses pounds anymore. We all use kilograms...

@@bobmarshall3700 well except for in all of aviation with well these exceptions

@@bobmarshall3700 The best part is that pounds is actually defined by the kilogram since 1893. I wish we would switch; it only makes sense to do so.

@@bobmarshall3700 Still, aviation uses a lot of non-metric units. Altitudes in feet and flightlevels, and speeds in knots...

@@bobmarshall3700 USA's measures ARE absurd. As a US citizen I can attest to that, but does the rest of the world use a base-10 system for time keeping? 60 seconds in a minute. 60 minutes in an hour. a base-10 system for ALL measures would be best for all of us __BUT__ (here in the usa) we have so much infrastructure based on our current measures it would be an insane amount of effort to get EVERYTHING converted.. just as it would take an insane amount of effort for the rest of the world to switch to a base-10 time-keeping system.

Well he was potentially about to meet St. Peter best to leave a good impression upon entry.

Captain was probably flying and FO on the radio

@@Jude74 There was never a threat to the safety of the plane prior to landing. The only concern was risk of the gear catching fire upon braking. By that point, firetrucks would be standing by and immediately extinguish it. There was no risk of loss of life :)

No doubt about it. Probably the most professional I've heard since subbing to this channel. And that is saying a lot!

Not an Aer Lingus captain, the crew is from ASL Ireland operating their 757 for Aer Lingus.

@@hennobelvedere4812 True ...

Then much credit should be given to ASL Ireland.

They were the most clearly spoken crew I have ever heard. This is a shining example of what to do in an emergency.

XD Best one was when the ground crew told him the fire had been put out, and the FO's concern seems to be to insist that it was just the breaking fluid, and nothing worse, and that he's terribly sorry about the whole thing. And it's a little bit embarrassing, really, and they're sorry they had to be towed off the runway and causing all this inconvenience.

They were finishing the onboard stock of Guinness!

Reminds me of a Monty Python skit where the British office had his arm cut off but insisted it was a flesh wound-no worries!

Right on, lol, I was gonna say the Irish chap was extremely calm during all of this action.

@@Mountchoirboy That was the Black Knight!

Jester I would love for the pilots to read this because if I ever have to be an emergency situation I would 1,000% trust this flight crew.

They are the epitome of unprofessionalism for not declaring an emergency!!!

+Gavin Singh. I disagree. It is an emergency when an aircraft is on fire, has severe loss of control, engine failure, or is running out of fuel.. None of this applied, so planning a safe landing, giving himself time to fully think things through and requesting fire trucks mobilized was the best solution. He also informed ATC that the runway would need to be checked for hydraulic fluid spill following his landing. As well as putting other aircraft at risk by jumping the landing sequence at a busy airport. Rushing to get the plane on the ground would not have been the safest option. You need to remember that once he dropped the landing gear, he had no means of retracting it. This made correct planning even more vital. The term "emergency" is easily misunderstood. Every day at Heathrow, a plane comes in with minor technical faults. Declaring every one as an emergency would cause chaos and put lives at far greater risk.

@@gavinsingh4450 They had full flight controls and the engines weren't in danger. Their landing gear has failsafes so that it extends in the event of loss of hydraulics. They informed tower that they weren't an emergency but that emergency crews should be standing by because of the risk of fire on landing. They didn't need priority landing clearance so there was no need to declare emergency. There was no risk while they were airborne other than they can't complete their intended flight with landing gear extended.

Agree!

+Da`Man If it's an emergency you don't have to be polite :)

+Da`Man We Celts are good like that ;-)

Aw, it's not just you Celts :P Pilots and controllers in general seem unusually able to retain a level of calm and professionalism in their communications during emergencies. This example certainly shows that very clearly, but there are many others from all parts of the world. I think most exceptions to that general rule wind up here on YT, so they're not hard to find. I've experienced this personally, on both sides of the radio. (The following wall of words are my personal experiences, so skip if you prefer.) I worked operations for a regional carrier in the 1990s, and over the years we had 2-3 crews coming in to land without all gear indicating down and locked (though tower fly-by observation indicated normal gear down), and one with a suspicious bag on board (during the air war phase of Desert Storm), and it's strange to me how they just sounded like their ordinary selves when they informed me by radio of the situation. I was the one who was all nervous. It's hard to know how to reply to them in that kind of situation. One reply I gave was "Sundance 612 copy that. Er, good luck." I learned that was NOT the kind of reply I should have given :( "Good luck" is not what they want to hear. Pilots in emergencies feel the fear, but they don't ever talk about it until they are safe on the ground and in the pilot lounge. Their attitude in the air is that they WILL work the problem until everyone is safe, no luck required. The fear is there, but they are too busy with their priorities of saving the situation to deal with the fear. It really works that way. Only two years later did I find myself in an emergency as a private pilot (pretty low time - ~85 hours or so) when a wasp had blocked the pitot tube in my C172, rendering my airspeed indicator inoperative, just a few hundred feet after takeoff. The procedure is simple (once the problem is identified), but it's definitely a dangerous situation that close to the ground. Nothing like watching your airspeed drop slowly from 65 through 50 through 45, lowering the nose and it's still dropping, flying level at about 300 feet AGL, waiting for the stall horn to go off, then the plane starts to buffet slightly from overspeed as the indicated airspeed drops to zero. That's when it was obvious what was happening. Mishandling a similar situation downed a 757 departing from the Dominican Republic (Birgenair Flight 301, mud dauber wasp in the pitot tube) in 1996, and ice blocking the pitot tube was part of the crash of Air France 447 as well. It's clearly a dangerous situation if the problem is not identified right away, though it's much easier to recover the situation in a small Cessna than in a 757 or an Airbus. It took a little time to determine the problem and then take the appropriate actions, but I realized in that situation that radio calls are a minor part of what's really going on. (Listen to the ATC recordings of the "Miracle on the Hudson". That crew limited their radio calls, and they sounded very calm.) I was scared, definitely, but handling the aircraft and protecting the life of my friend and passenger (and not scaring him) were really my only priorities. It's hard to explain how the fear, real and intense fear, takes a back seat in the moment. It really hit me when the mechanic met me on the ramp and asked what happened. I was kinda shaking once I locked the parking brake and shut down the aircraft. I tried to sound calm in the air for my friend's sake as well as the fact that the radio was just one important step, but not the crucial step, in saving the situation. Unfortunately, he told me later he was terrified the instant he heard me use the word "emergency" on the radio, despite what I had told him about the situation - that it was just an instrument failure, and we were fine. He said he was calm until he heard that one word. A pilot with more experience probably would not have declared an emergency, but I was scared, and if nothing else, I knew my piloting skills were being tested like they had not been tested before. (I was a new pilot, and we didn't simulate this type of emergency in flight training, though I learned about it in ground school.) I didn't want to make a stupid mistake out of fear (and in the moment I saw my fear as a factor, like part of the emergency, not something that was controlling me), and declaring an emergency seemed the easiest way to recruit help in that regard. We landed without incident, and I learned. To me, the saddest part was that my friend decided he would never fly in a small plane again. :(

+dcs002 glad you shared that, compelling story

On my third glider solo flight I got caught in some very nasty weather. It was more than I could handle and it felt like it might be pushing the old K13 glider I was flying to its limits. I aimed my nose at the start of the circuit, pulled the airbrakes and got my arse on the ground as quickly as possible. Having your piloting skills tested is no fun but you just kind of do what needs to be done and think about it more once you get on the ground.

Yes, I think the AAL crew observed slight upset in ATC guy voice ( I did!) when he was asked to convert these kilos to pounds and that's what made them help; for them that particular conversion is propably a walk in the park. Nevertheless, ATC guy should independently check their math,but something tells me he didn't 😁 estimation was right anyway. But as others said, this video is PACKED with professionalism.

I never used pounds in my life for anything, yet I still know that 1 kg is 2.2 lbs. Come on.

Onkel Fabs “US Americans”?? As opposed as to what other Americans?

for most of the world Americans live from Canada all the way down to Chile. Only in the States we call ourselves Americans. Not a big deal actually.

every ATC should be able ,in fraction of seconds, able to convert Kg to pounds, and metes to feets. Just to mention few .... Feet/pound/gallons are useless and obsolete measurement units. I say this as engineer and American too ..... No need to use those old systems anymore. Is not a matter of proud or lack of nationalism ... it is just more practical. Nasa, space X, manufacturers uses tipically MKS system (meters/kilogram/second) as is very accurate and simple to convert in other units if necessary. It is just very practical. One example ?? 57400 liters of water are 57400 kilograms of water and are 57.4 tons. Also are 57,4 cubic meters of water. Try to do that with gallons to pounds to tons and then to cubic feet. .

MustardMan69 ...and clear to understand 😉

+marcel1416 I loved editing this one! I loved the EIN pilots as well for the reason you mentioned. It is not common to give the ATC all that info. Gear doors position, brake config, landing speed...

VASAviation - Yeah I know, really uncommon, but very very professional and his voice was so clear and distinct, no sign of nervousness in his voice. Interesting, that it was not declared as an emergency, Of course the 757 has some kind of reserve system or independant hydraulic systems for the important controls but still, with that many things inop (he also told the controller) to not declare an emergency, wow. The pilot seemed to be pretty confident.

Airbus and Boeing have 3 fully independent hydraulic systems. So partial loss of fluid in one system isn't that serious. It's certainly not life threatening (a mayday is used to imply imminent or actual threat to life)

+marcel1416 I bet he got his E6-B whizz-wheel out as soon as he heard the KG figure :)

Well how are you sure he didn't just google it

LMAO

This^^ EXACTLY my sentiments. Even in the end when he let's the ground trucks know that the fire upon landing was likely caused by the hydraulic fluid being ignited by the hot braking upon landing... the pilots were on top of the situation the WHOLE time. My hat's off. Damn impressive.

Yeah, what an interesting contrast.

Yes!

I always found the Irish and Americam accent to be quite similiar, especially the west coast of Ireland. It proberbly makes sense considering many Americans are from Irish decent.

@@damian-795 🤡

@@rogerscottcathey Contrast? Oh they're very similar. Massachusetts more so.

Shame Alan Joyce had to come to Australia and trash a once-great Qantas.

We used to nicely tease my friend on her 33.3333 tirty tree and a turd. On the phone she was incomprehensible

Aer Lingus have a fantastic safety record. There have been no crash fatalities in the last 50 years.

It wouldn't matter who was in the left seat if the wings came off...

@@AndyMcGeever true... but for 99.999999999999% of aircraft emergencies, the wings stay attached.

Andrew Boate - What has Aer Lingus to do with it, idiot?

Montenotte I would guess!

That's so great!! :)

Hello from 2020 haha. I agree. At first I was like "checklist? Just land the plane as fast as you can!" but then they told ATC about how they would be landing, the parameters and protocol they would be following, and I realized they needed to do the checklist to make sure they landed safely with that hydraulic failure. So impressive how calmly they handled it!

One of the bests, no doubt. Professionality all around.

+lancelot1953 Awesome to read you comments, man!! Really appreciate your words!! :)

Please make it available publicly to all of us admiring those flying professionals !

niloc6336 ah not really. We have our fair share of arseholes 😆

@@IrishRunningVlog don't we all haha :D , but you can be damn sure these pilots made you guys look awesome!

That’s mad. ATC should have a calculator in front of them or a sticky note with 1kg = 2.1 lbs written on it. The pilots in emergency shouldn’t have to bother doing the math for ATC.

they are pissed that they have to speak english..

Everyone has to speak French when the shit hits the fan.

Try living 20 miles away from the buggers. They've never forgiven us for leaving at Dunkirk, or for going back, or winning WW2, and then the entire world has to speak ENGLISH to ATC! They are incandescently pissed off!

True

@@Insperato62 "Incandescently" pissed off. Awesome use of the word!

Agree, and it turned out to be a very important note, since the fluid not only dripped on the runway, but also on the hot brakes

RagnarisFellhanded - Nothing to do with Aer Lingus. Check your facts before posting FAKE NEWS.

F Amore - It wasn’t Aer Lingus, dufus.

It was Aer Lingus

@@TimSmyth23 What u talking about

Absolutely! :)

whp61 - It’s spelt ‘Aer’, and it’s not Aer Lingus, it’s ASL - dufus.

@@TimSmyth23 It's Aer Lingus

😁😁 True

Me too, it's a wonderful airlines to fly.

Jc Dock - They don’t even work for Aer Lingus, you idiot.

@@TimSmyth23 Dude, you need to calm the F*ck down.

whatever8282828 - They aren’t an Aer Lingus crew, idiot.

It's not Cork.. could be Tipp though.

Sounds posh Cork to me.