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2:01 that coincidence made it more realistic! Hosea stops when jacks says hey. Like he stops because he was talking about him and dont want him to hear.
@@cjv8522 It actually isn't. If you were to walk into Jack, or interact with him, it would throw off the timing of the dialogue between Hosea and John. That's why there aren't any true three-way NPC dialogue cutscenes. It's always between two characters, and sometimes Arthur.
Believe it or not, this game does have contextual reactions. If you mess up or fall off a horse during a ride, the people will comment on it and stop their conversation. For example, during one of the missions, uncle said something about nobody looking under their nose for something. If you crash your horse during this time, he'll say " See! I told you!"
I think they all see he has a chance to REALLY live. Family live. And they all, secretly, want to see something REAL and GOOD happen, just to believe in it. A happy ending. Because in their life it dont always ends like that, and they start feeling it when some "good" people of theirs started dying.
@@sean543213 Didn't Dutch say that because Arthur said "What about the women?" when they were having an argument? I never noticed him saying that regarding Arthur's cough.
@@jaceharrison7936 I noticed it some in other cut scenes, but this sure makes it look like Hosea had the TB also. I will guess that is why he talked to John, about Jack and family, the way he did. He knew that the end was coming close not just for him and Arthur, but for the whole thing they had lived in for so long.
What about a young uncle? I wanna see if that "one shot kid" thing was true, probably not but it would add more depth to his character if he actually was a very talented gunslinger who just grew old
You can clearly see that Hosea had his favorites. He had deep affection for John and Arthur. Like a father. And Arthur is like the older son who is constantly picking on his younger brother John. Those three were different than the rest.
So in fact Hosea was first to tell John to get the hell out of here and be a goddamn man ... Never knew that .. great find ! But happy that Arthur made sure that John got out with his family kinda like hoseas last wish .. sad Hosea was the wisest of them all . Rip Hosea
What I liked about him was his strategic thinking and foresight. He speaks about unconditional love, support and looks after the crew. Fuck agent Milton...
@@marcovazquez2071 I know it's a game I was just commenting on the hidden dialogue. Just a great character killed off too soon is all . Can't say rockstar didn't make this a great game that touched alot of people . Not like I'm all sitting here having a fake funeral for him or something. Lol
@@subpain4257 well yeah because he was dying and everything was going to shit. In earlier chapters arthur was trying to get john to trust in dutch when john was getting more and more tired of everything
Also damn, even in Horseshoe Overlook when things were pretty good with the gang, Hosea was telling John to take his family and get the hell out while he could. I can see why John didn't listen at first. But that's another reason why I like this game, John really grew into a man by the end. Wisdom at a great cost I think.
I think my favorite conversation with Hosea is where there's a few of the gang sitting around the fire and he's talking very somberly and honestly about how his one big regret is not any decision that he made, but instead that it cost so much for his own wisdom, and then he talks about how he wants to do right by himself and others by passing it on without needing the harsh lessons that life gave him. Hosea was the best.
Would be cool if Mary (I believe was her name) was pregnant with Arthur’s child at the end of the game and the child grew up and tracked down Jack Marston and they form a new gang. They could call themselves The M&M gang lol.
Hosea: "Get out of here John, you're the only one that has a chance to live" John: "no" Arthur: "Take your woman and child, and get lost" John: *leaves*
This quote, in 95% of stories, would’ve been an iconic punchline told in a significant scene. One of those you remember forever after just once you’ve heard them. But here it’s just sayd during an hidden dialogue. This is why this Game is a pure masterpiece of fiction, but also in the same time too fucking close to real life.
@@nicholaspanos1559 man forgive me but you are dumb. Hosea was talking about John run away and forget about everything and in the end John hunt Micah and the laws find him
Even before he was killed Hosea was struggling to get through to Dutch. One could argue Dutch had always dismissed him as soon as Micah joined the gang, but definitely by the time of the St. Denis robbery. Not sure if it had ever been confirmed, but a theory was that Dutch suffered a head injury in the trolly crash; after that, he started to become really aggressive and pushing the gang to it's limits physically and "morally." Regardless, Hosea's death was certainly the final nail in the proverbial coffin for the gang. With him gone, the angel whispering in Dutch's ear also died, leaving only the demon in the other.
@@robertstaples3256 The way I see it is that Dutch wanted a "romantic" outlaw life, rob rich, give to the poor, and prosper himself, but the more he tries and fails the more desperate he becomes, and in this desperation he pushes the gang to breaking point. The reason Micha is appealing to Dutch is not because he manipulates him somehow, but because Micha is the "ideal" outlaw version in Dutchs vision, high ego, high greed(desire to succeed), eagerness to do whatever it takes to get what he wants, those are the qualities Dutch likes about him, the reason Dutch doesent like Hosea, Arthur and John is because they dont want to be that "ideal" outlaw, Dutch was always the same, its just that harsh times pushed his "real" persona out.
It makes me so happy to see all of his best quotes carry over into this game. Wish I caught this encounter in my first playthrough it would've made me shed a tear.
@@alvarosoares3530 yeah but he wasnt killing in cold blood, he said the guy was trying to rob him so he killed the guy to defend himself then took the horse
You can tell that final conversation between John and Hosea, John is by now seriously considering and absorbing Hosea's wisdom slowly but surely becoming the hero he was meant to be.
“People don’t forget, nothing gets forgiven” what a beautiful call back to the first game hidden in dialogue that you can randomly find. Also he says that in the John Marston trailer, so that’s a call back to literally 2009
*I would say you should get the hell away from here.* *Is this a place to raise a boy?* *Be a man John. It would suit you* Some people tends to give all credit to Arthur for contributing John's character and arc, of course no disrespect for him but I personally would say that *both* Arthur and Hosea were huge factors for John's transformation to the Legend of the West.
This. And I would say it’s not just those two, either. What’s great is how several characters help him grow. Arthur helps, of course, once he gets over his own issues - but Hosea, Sadie, Charles. Hell, even Uncle despite his lumbago. RDR2 tells a lot of tales but my favorite is Marston’s origin story and how several lift him up.
I'm so happy that Red Dead Redemption wasn't a one off game. All the context that RDR 2 added to the story along with the expanded environment made it the best game content I've ever played.
I’ve gotta say, Hosea is dead accurate about his quote “you’re not as dumb as you act, John Marston” people often see John as dull, but in reality he and Hosea are the first two gang members to notice that Dutch was losing his mind. I don’t think that it would be unrealistic to say that John, Lenny, and Hosea are probably the smartest members of the Van Der Linde gang.
John is easily one of the most intelligent in the Vanderline gang. By 1911(rdr1) he is incredibly well spoken and articulate, philosophical even. And yes, as you say, he is one of the first to pick up on Dutch’s descent. There is a reason that in the credits he is called “Dutch’s wayward protege” and everyone calls him golden boy. He would have succeeded Dutch one day if the gang didn’t go to shit.
hearing Hosea talk about the old days makes me want RDR3 (however many years away from that may be) to be set in the 1870's with you playing as Hosea in his prime and raising John and Arthur in the wildwest and maybe even north california/oregon
6:34 they did gave John death by Edgar Ross a different perspective as John and Abigail had a mission in the first game when they talked about things don't get forgiven or forgotten yet Hosea trying to say only those who remember still care so I guess Edgar Ross personally wanted all the members of Dutch gang kill for ether failing to capture them 11 years ago also he partner getting kill by one of the members
@@dolphinerofachero3159 No it’s simply that Ross was selected as the head of the Bureau of Investigation (pre fbi) and Governor Nate Johns who funds the Bureau made a promise to clean up the last of the remaining outlaws and gangs in the region. The reason Bill and Dutch were targeted was because they had their own large gangs and were causing too much chaos
Pretty much. It's one reason why I disagree with the theory that John going after Micah in Mount Hagen doomed him and his family. Edgar Ross would come knocking on that door one time or another. If John didn't go Sadie and Charles would have died in that mountain.
This video is a rollercoaster of emotions, I’m smiling and almost laughing sometimes, then sad at the foreshadowing and Hosea coughing and knowing that he’s right and it’s over...
0:56 Yes It would pass if Dutch listened to hosea Dutch also said he wanted more attention but did not want anyone to be going for John 2:09 Arthur in the later chapters was like hosea He would be so proud of Arthur
Much like Arthur in the game, I preferred Hosea to Dutch from Day 1. There’s just something about Hosea and his wisdom that’s such a calming presence, especially in the contrast of Dutch’s smug attitude. Hosea doesn’t think himself higher than the rest of the gang and that’s what matters.
Rockstar handled John's arc in RDR2 as well as they did Arthur's, they set him up to match his character in RDR1 *perfectly* . He was a like a surly 20yr. old fresh out his teenage years, and he became a Man by the end.
Hosea being the true father figure for both John and Arthur is truly such a beautiful part of the story that doesn’t get discussed enough, especially when Arthur talks about Hosea in his journal entries
and Jack. Hosea gave Jack the most important gift he could possibly have: learning how to read. Jack being a bookworm in the epilogue, you just gotta thank Hosea for that
Hosea is my favorite character he reminds me of my grandpa he had wisdom as well and always gave me good advice when I needed it when I had it hard he passed away a year ago I still miss him
The missions with Lenny were cool, but there should have have reserved more screen time for Arthur and John. The relationship between those two is a more interesting dynamic imo
They made these dialogues so well. Interesting how Hosea communicated better with John than Dutch. They both raised him but it’s like if one parent understands their kid a little more than the other
