Hospital Sues At-Will Workers for Getting Better Jobs 

Exactly! Would you seek care from the them? I wouldn’t!

It doesn.t tell me any such thing. Cheers!

Odd is that there is even case where one employer can order other one's choices through court. As soon as the people quit first employer, then they had nothing else to do with the first company. At will workers stil have some conditions on working, so there is still contract, but it just has the "at will" clause, but that is also wrong that if it is not suitable for employer, then they just change the conditions, but if it would be unsuitable for employee, then there is nothing to do. With hospitals there is some kind of employment contract still, even for liabiliy sake in case of mistakes done at work, so do not come with the talk that there is no employment contract. The "at will" is just condition in there that should allow employer to fire employee and employee to quit, but on currently that is kind of made void ... Well, not quite, because people quit, so they cannot work at first employer, but now they cannot start working for 2nd one because of that obscure restriction that judge approved. Restriction that basically ordered one company to follow order of another company.

I'd just tell old hospital to get fucked I can wait it out.

@@zapazap How not so? Management clearly feels entitled to keep the workers otherwise they would have made counteroffers. What other acts of entitled management were these employees subject to?

I'd file civil suit against the Judge for interfering with a employment contract. Then I'd add in the old hospital and add millions in damages.

Agreed never seen a bigger pile of Bull

@@2acritter4life it's at will. No contracts.

@@jdgindustries2734 "At will" is a condition of their employment contract. All professionals operate under an employment contract that details the terms of their employment, benefits, etc.

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it the wrong thing to do in this situation. There's a case here that the judge needs to hear and until the judge is able to hear it they asked that the main cruxt of their lawsuit not take effect until after the lawsuit. That's actually a very good thing, imagine being in a lawsuit with the town you live in because they want to bulldoze your house to build a park and you're trying to sue for that not happening. Without this mechanism you can't stop the town from bulldozing your house until after the lawsuit is settled.

I honestly don't understand why a competent judge would even consider this injunction, let alone grant it. Injunctions are only intended for situations where there is a risk of irreparable harm if something is not prevented. One might potentially be able to argue there is irreparable harm if they don't continue working for the old company, but the injunction does not actually ensure that, and cannot legally require that, so it should be completely irrelevant. There is quite clearly no _irreparable_ harm inherent in them working for the new company vs, for example, finding some other job (or just staying home, if they can afford to). If the judge granted this injunction on the justification that there is irreparable harm if they don't continue working at the old company, and therefore the purpose of the restraining order is specifically to try to force them to continue working at that company (by denying them any other options), then the judge has effectively deliberately violated their 13th Amendment rights, just via a back-door method.

@@foogod4237 He removed the injunction during the next hearing, fixing it doesn't remove the constitutional violations granting it caused though.

I'd just reapply under a new name and not show up to the old place.

I wonder what the thought process was. Maybe something like this? … “Hey, let’s enhance our reputation as an employer by suing exiting employees. Yes, thats the kind of press that will help us in the long run …”.

@@foogod4237 it sounds like slavery to me.

IF there's no contract in place!

@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 funny thing.. A NDA is only valid while you are compensated for your silence. (hence most NDA's come with a lump sum payment.) A contract is only valid for your employment period. So no.. There should be no point at which a previous employer should have any control over your future employment. There are a few exceptions to that though. If you know proprietary information and join a competitor company. They can enforce a gag order about the processes and methods you used to use. (basically a NDA). But they can no longer block you working for other companies. (non-compete clauses are no longer valid.)

Especially in “right to work “ states

They used to feather judges like this one

Execute tyrants Problem solved

It doesn't seem American, what this judge is doing does it???

@@devinazevedo1122 lol l

He made a ruiling that breaks the law!

He won't this is Mark McGinnis. He jailed a man for six months for rolling his eyes, and dropped F Bombs and insults from the bench. He's not know for his sense and reason.

More evidence that 90%+ judges are corrupt. Check his bank account.

Gov't relationship is involuntary servitude.

ALWAYS- what we do

Exactly. The judge should have laughed this out of the court and told hospital A that was losing these workers "Simple: Match the pay offered by the other hospital or get used to losing your workers!"

I'm not sure they could sue for lost wages, because the option to go back to work is there (I'm assuming). They wouldn't lose wages if they agreed to go back to work. But again, they can't MAKE them, but they can easily say they exercised their choice not to work there. The whole thing seems like a huge violation of civil rights.

I've heard "poach" used non-negatively. If someone claims they poached an employee, they usually mean that they snagged a real prize from a competitor.

@@pixelperfectInteriors They could sue for the difference🌹

America is the most dumbass legal system in the world weirdly only in America

Exactly this. The attitude of the first hospital is fucking disgusting and I'm absolutely not surprised 7 people left at once if this is the way they treat their employees.

Likely only because of the bad PR

The hero we needed

The old hospital need to pay the workers for the days they were not allowed to work.

Thanks! I was scrolling through the comments to see if there was a resolution. 😃

@@qattah - As a lawyer, I was interested.

I used to work at a hospital (in the IT department). At one point we were losing something like five developers a month, and the primary reason was that the non-profit hospital was paying much lower wages, and giving the reason, "We're a non-profit, so of course salaries are lower!" But the exodus was so extreme they finally had a new salary survey done, and surprise! We were all grossly underpaid. They did the right thing, and there was a massive salary adjustment. I was a tech writer there, and I got a $10K raise. The developers got something like $20K. (I did leave that job a year later for the software industry, and got an immediate $15K bump; at the hospital we were still on the lower end of the wage spectrum for writers).

And also money.

Also money. Our competitors are paying up to 30% more for the same work. We have had record profits, but promotion and raise freezes for the past year. We also just hired 3 new executives from outside the company without internal promotion available. Horrible employer is probably paying horribly also.

No one is going to apply at that job now😂 They torpedoed their chances of finding new hires.

@@nancykaminski8600 This happened to me last year at my Hospital IT department. We didn't leave all at once, I went 2nd and the rest trickled out after. But after about 10 people left they finally restructured the salary and promotion structure. Bad pay is a bad working condition. I used to be an underground miner. I got paid well and had good benefits because the good pay out ways the shitty working conditions.

Talk about rogue tyrant of a judge

The judge may have received "medical consulting fees."

And here I thought slavery/ involunatary servatude was banned in the USA.

Work there on a "voluntary basis", then get an extra large "signing bonus" once the court stuff is over? 😉

Welcome to MAGAworld... home of the American Taliban.

Must be that NEWLAW that the progressives have been pushing for the past couple of years.

Hospital administrator and hospital attorneys need to go back and read the definition of 'At-Will'... and that BOTH parties can break the employment at any time, without notice. Sayonara, hospital! Employers think they have all the control.

@@Marinealver so why doesn't such shit happen in "Liberal country's" people might be inspired by?!? I know of companies whose contract includes as much as 6 months "none competition" clauses and keep paying according transitional wages (mostly temp agencies, having a buyout price too).

@@Marinealver this has NOTHING to do with progressives and you are pathetic for dragging shit into it that has nothing to do with it... this is happening because of our health care system being a purely capitalist system that understaffs their facilities to make more money. Every other civil County treats their Healthcare as nessasy infrastructure like roads, bridges, schools... we are a joke! You are pathetic dragging a political group who is so insanely removed from the situation just because that is what you do every time something negative is going on now 🙄 just ridiculous 🙄

@@fionafiona1146 this is what these people do... they project everything they do onto their precived enemies... if we are racist we will use the racist accusation against others and pretend we are the victim, if we are responsible for the continued state of our Healthcare system being a capitalism/ for profit system that is not working for our people and not working for the Healthcare providers because they understaff the hospital and over work them to keep more money in our pockets we blame them for it, if we are not funding schools properly and screwing up our children's education we will turn it around on them, if we are indoctrinating children to our world view then we will accuse them of exactly that for exposing children to facts about history and reality... this is their entire new play... they are bullies who the second get the tiniest push back cry victim! 😢

i really hope more people leave the old job

One can only hope...

Yep, have fun getting contract workers.

Haha I didn't even think about that side of it. Total self own.

Oh I would have fun with this.

Amen!

These are fear tactics. By doing this they scare other employees from changing jobs

the whole team should move, and sue them for the cost of moving since they couldn't be employed in the state, as the former employer legally blocked future employment opportunities... get the media interested, watch the shit storm.. of how "at-will" means, at your employers will, not your will...

@@AshenTechDotCom Absolutely! At a prior employer we had both contract and full time employees. Often these FT employees were referred to as "permanent" but CA is an at will state and I would remind people that it's not a permanent role, just that it's a General Full Time role, they were still at will and nothing changed other than there was no longer a specific end date to their employment. (Plus bennies, it was a good change of course, but that's tangential to the point at hand). At this employer it was common that if you were at a certain level and might go to a competitor that you were kept on payroll for 3-6 months with no work (signed in contract) before you left the company. To me that's reasonably fair, "we don't want you going to a competitor immediately with recent detailed company knowledge, so we'll pay you off to wait."

Judge should be disbarred and thrown in jail

No that's an intentional part of the judge system, something normal people have no say in so the abuses cannot be addressed except by another judge. No part of this legal system is for your benefit, assuming you're not a successful capitalist or other kind of power broker.

this is called 'extortion' and 'slavery'. The CCP does it all the time so why not here!?

I think there may have been a slight misunderstanding in the beginning of this video-that at-will employees aren’t on contract. At-will employment DOES (and should) carry contracts, indicating such. Frequently, at-will employment comes w/ relatively complex sets of restrictions (not all of which would stand in court, of course). Some at-will employees, for instance, are asked to sign contracts and/or NDAs which may restrict their ability to seek employment with industry competitors. Again, not all of these would stand in court in the end, but employers are so sneaky that they’d throw in these clauses to make it hard for at-will employees to be truly “at will.”

judges can be impeached by an act of congress at state level or federal level depending on if its a federal judge or not.

If "at-will" ceased to mean "at-will" when it involves multiple employees at once, layoffs would be illegal.

The courts' record on slavery is less than stellar, so we should not be surprised by this.

They have a term for that I think … slavery

Lots of scumbag judges coming to light lately...

But the brown envelope was big!

Probably bought n paid for by hospital mother corporation... follow the behind closed door benefits 🤣😩

@A H He's up for re-election in 2023. It's in the hands of voters in Outagamie.

This is the same judge that kept a guy in jail for 42 days and tried to fine him $5k for rolling his eyes. He was eventually overruled, but the guy still sat in jail a month and a half.

Maybe the hospital should make coffee at home and cut down on the avocado toast so they can afford to pay their employees more.

I know if the new hospital would let me work I'd good to the new job and work a scumbag mentally ill cross dressing judge doesn't own me I'm free

anyone reckon the court would issue an injunction if a hospital decided to lay off half the staff?

@@youtubehatesfreedom1870 Last I head the new employer has told the workers "Look, just come in and start with us on Monday like normal, our legal team will take care of things." Basically calling the judge's bluff, which is great.

this isn't capitalism. capitalism uplifts. these are pigs perverting capitalism.

It'd be a real shame if the rest of Thedacare's staff decides to apply to work at other hospitals.

I think you nailed it.

Spot on.

I'm surprised more peopel aren't commenting this; it's actually quite obvious.

yep they should all leave and dont say to where Wisconsin is a Right-to-Work States when i leave a job with a 2 week notice and they ask me where i plan on going i tell them none of your business

Cool story

The Barr can’t do a thing until the final judgment is given. Judges are protected by draconian laws while sitting on their cases. The protection only goes away after the cases are closed or moved.

@David Caudill Steve brought that up, it is not slavery because they are not forced to work, they are just essentially stopped from working at the new location. Theoretically (have to see the actual order from the judge) they could apply elsewhere and keep working until this is settled. That doesn't make it right, but it is not the same level as slavery.

The president and CEO of ThedaCare is an MD that doesn't need his license anymore.

Violation of the right to pursue happiness. Total bulls#!t.

It isn't the bar that sanctions judges.

And screw two week's notice. "Oh, you didn't give us two weeks notice"...." I literally just saw you walk Ted out the other day, where was his two week's notice?"

@@jemjones5675 damn right! I left two jobs without two weeks notice just recently. I did so because I watched both of of them fire people when they put in their two weeks. Just bam, fired. Gone. Walked out on the spot. I no longer believe in two week notices because 1. They treat you different when they know you are leaving. 2. They sure as hell don't give you a two week notice when they fire you for whatever reason.

@@cheshire_skatkat9093 Or it can be 2 weeks for you to terrify the company with things you might do in that time.

Considering it was a mass exodus, It wouldn't be that hard to figure out.

The level of labor regulations demands regular communication with the previous employer. It's impossible to keep secrets from system bureaucrats.

EXACTLY!

Until the hospital workers cN work where they want? Let that POS go forever.

This might make sense on the surface, but then you have judges who can simply be forced to do things by people litigation them to death regardless it its warranted. The system is designed like this for a reason

@@mithicash1444 The system is highly corrupted and judges are allowed to legislate from the bench their political ideologies, opinions and whatever bribes they are accepting. This system is eviscerating the constitution, the very law of the land it was designed to protect in the first place. This is completely unacceptable and these tyrannical judges need to be prosecuted for treason.

No one qualified would want to be a judge and nothing would ever get done. Court is for people that can't come to a reasonable compromise.

@@willwaite1447 Wrong, only criminals who have no intention of upholding the constitution would no longer want to be judges.

@@willwaite1447 with power comes responsibility , if you can't be responsible you don't need to be anywhere near power. That's one of the main problems with this country.

And ALL legal costs. And be warned of more severe consequences if they file another frivolous lawsuit.

At the higher wage of their new jobs.

Kangaroo Court

Unreal

And the employees should hand over a piece of paper with their new daily fee rates.

Reality is most businesses will straight up get rid of you if a cheaper solution pops up, which is the reason why company loyalty always baffles me. Get it if you work for a place that treats you good, theres people getting screwed over left and right, will still sit there and defend it.

Yep. Hiring someone doesn't mean you own them. You are simply purchasing their labor. They can choose to sell to someone else whenever they want. Anything less is servitude.

@@yeahyeahwowman8099 that used to be my place of work before they became a merger and went corporate. Me and the other 9 guys in the shop are getting jobs lined up so we can leave next month, it was a great place but after going Corp two years ago our manager has gone from someone that you can joke with to a guy that if you make a joke to he threatens to fire you. Can't wait to watch that place fall apart when we leave.

@@codyschmidt510 Remember knowing our department was gonna get laid off when upper management pulled one of the oldest tricks in the book back in 2010. Gone and basically were ignoring us, not really caring what we were up to, then one Friday I see a woman from human resources in our department, I just started laughing.

that sounds like some god-like action there.

Good on them, honestly this situation kinda scares me, imagine if more companies did this

Sounds like injunction is illegal to me. They have no contract, they can quit and once they've quit they can work for who they like. There's literally no legal basis for the suit, so how the judge can grant an injunction to prevent someone taking up employment at a place of their choosing is beyond me

@@qwerty_artist Don't provide any type of notice and they won't even know that you've quit

Old Hospital - "You can't work there!" "I'm not working, I'm _volunteering._ " 😉

'Charges'?

pretty sure this isn't a criminal case.

"Charges" should be filed against the judge immediately then the death penalty to keep other "judges" from doing favors for their lawyer friends like this.

@A H ⁷ List the 'charges' or stfu

I'm not sure what the basis of the suit is. If it's tortious interference, there may potentially a path to victory. As in the new medical facility interfered with the employment of these employees in a way that violates the law. At least in theory.

I'm late to this one (and understand that the TRO has been pulled), but I thought that part of the decision was based on the probability that the party making the application for the TRO would prevail in the actual lawsuit. Presumably, for that party to show that they could prevail they would have to have some legal argument, even if not completely developed, to present to the judge ruling on the TRO. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't remember hearing what that was. I'm not sure how their "concerns" about patient well-being made for a legal argument regarding at-will employment. Shouldn't the judge who issues the TRO have pressed them on this? Thoughts?

But it is Wisconsin. They gave up the constitution years ago.

Oh , they must know they will be counter sued . Some manager mucked up and are now making it worse

@@AresCosmos137 Wisconsin legal system just keeps coming up like it is a complete mess with some really bad actors all across the board.

Exactly!

This is a more than terrible precedent. This kind of thing could be used all the time to sanction an employee when they leave. We can't have this and an example has to made of the company executing this action before it spreads!

@@syntaksoftwaredevelopment4438 Yeah, if a competitor is offering better work conditions and 50% pay raise, and you aren't willing to match it? Sounds like tuff luck and dumb management (because clearly the other guy has it figured out if they can afford that and you can't). Only thing would be NDA's and non-compete agreements, but that doesn't mean they can keep you at slave wages or refuse to promote you while cutting off all other sources of income.

They will lose more doing this

I agree

After hearing this I would never work for that hospital. This will decimate their hiring of prospective employees.

Yeah, after pulling this legal crap I can only image what working for them day to day was like.

Especially with the whole group leaving. A couple people maybe the money, but all of them it is work environment then money for sure.

I have to also wonder if this whole thing was an attempt to get the other company to take their offer off the table.

@@paulghignon4092 Of course it is. This is a case of corporate arrogance. If these employees were that critical, why were they "at will" in the first place? Greed!

@@mervyngreene6687 that and their unwillingness to even negotiate their pay. You can't say they're critical for operation while simultaneously doing nothing to keep them there. It's a problem among most employers who actively believe they own their employees and have an active right to their time. I've had to remind my employer on several occasions that I'm there on my own terms, and if they don't hold to them my ass walks.

My thoughts as well. He has to be getting something out of this to make a ruiling that conflicts with the laws he is supposed to be ruling by

or a secrete society !

@@johnarnold24 I'm thinking it has to do with organ farming.

1st Hospital: "If you leave it will cost lives b/c we won't get your help at this hospital." Also 1st Hospital: "We aren't gonna let you work b/c you may save lives somewhere else." Me: "I don't think this has to do with saving lives."

This is the result of corporate oligarchy... They literally think they OWN their employees like slaves. And the judge apparently is ok with that. In America. 🤯

If you think those positions will all be filled quickly, you are mistaken. Everyone needs people and people are tired of working for low wages. There is a ton of competition right now.

Sin of pride. It’s a pure case of ‘I want what I want because I want it’ and will self destruct if necessary.

No not the hospital! The management of the hospital...

Just because a harm can be identified does not mean any wrong has been committed. The judge has violated an innocent party's rights to make the other party whole.

Just like how police continue to bully or harass people even when they have been proven innocent, they just can't admit when they were wrong about someone and they continue dropping more resources with the hope that their efforts weren't wasted. It's like gambling except instead of a low chance to win, there's 0 chance to win.

That’s what American has become. The Soviet Union

Unless the courts decide it's time to set a new precedent, that workers are owned. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if at least one corporate judge along the way sided with the employer making the suit.

The judge should be kicked off the bench for making such a ruling preventing the employees from changing jobs.

@@gilliganallmighty3 won’t happen, his Republican supporters will protect him and their slave owners. Same area that supports Q’anon Ron even though he transferred jobs from that area to help his buddies in China.

Honestly, I hope the employees sue the pants off them.

Yes, they should. But honestly, I can think of a few supreme court judges who themselves would like to tinker with the 13th amendment and it feels as if we live in times where they could actually do it. Imagine if at-will employment only applied to the employer.

Yes! At-will was designed to benefit the employer, but as soon as that backfires, it no longer applies? No way.

Disgusting‼️ This seems to be a way for that hospital to ‘punish’ ‘at-will employees’ that dare to want better: pay, work conditions, and time for families!! Over my hospital nursing career (which started in the early 1970s), this ‘high-handedness’ used by hospital management seems only to get worse each decade. 🤯🙄

It's funny how many of those kinds of tricks have backfired on employers in recent years. Couple of years ago it was SOP to include "Mediation" clauses in contracts and terms of service (still is but those clauses have been rewritten to prevent what follows), then a couple tens of thousands of "employees" (i'm pretty sure they were classified as gig or contract workers) all took up that mediation at the same time, suddenly companies wanted a class action b/c it would actually be cheaper

Exactly!

Yup, even trying to force someone under contract to stay is stupid. If someone wants to quit, their mindset is of someone who no longer cares about that job. Trying to force someone to stay will only cause them to collect a check and do as little as possible

Or, the old Hospital could have compensated and treated them better.

Why does Lehto not address the 'at will' issue immediately? That's the only thing we all are wondering about.

@@cornfed123567 A contract is a n agreement, and once you sign it, your bound to it just like the other guy is. If these employees had been under contract, I would have sided with the employer. A deal is a deal.

Those organizations usually have legal reps on retainer so they don't pay as much in fees as you think. At least not more than they do anyway. That is why they are more than happy to start dumb litigation.

I was thinking that too. How can they have an at-will work LAW, yet at the same time the first hospital is allowed to prevent them from going to work at the second hospital, thus apparently implying that there is no such thing as an at-will work law??

@@SirReptitious no they aren't allowed to stop them

@@strawberrylotlizard did you not pay attention to anything that was said in the video and his comment...OR... am I just confused at what you said.

Did you watch the whole video? The judge didn't say anything to the impacted workers.

@@RK-kn1ud ??? Excuse me? The Judge issued a temporary restraining order STOPPING these workers from starting their new jobs at the other hospital.

@@gbnq2513 The workers are impacted, yes. However, the legal battle is taking place between the two hospitals. The judge did not call the 7 people in the courtroom and legally ban them from anything. The difference is that if the employees show up to work at the new hospital, they will be in violation of NOTHING.... because they were not told they couldn't work. The only party that would be in violation is the new hospital.

@@RK-kn1ud True, but in the meantime, regardless of who the order is directed at, these people can't work at the new hospital. I would only hope the old place pays for this nonsense.

@@ElationProductions From what I've read online, the new hospital told them to come in on Monday anyway. That said, the OP that I replied to has a statement that is factually incorrect despite the end result being the same.

covid is the new communism.

They need to sue that Hospital until it goes bankrupt.

I would sue for much more than that. There has to be a nice lawsuit here somewhere.

The judge is the one to blame. The company can cry and try all they want, the judge should've laughed them out of the court.

@@mikelisteral7863 I didn't realize that covid lead us to a stateless classless society.

Exactly. I never give notice now. I have not worked in a place that gives any loyalty whatsoever.

I do the same. I just tell them "I quit." And walk out. And NEVER sign any contracts.

The only reason to give notice is to hopefully still get a good reference for your next job. If you don't need that, 2 weeks notice is only a detriment to yourself.

@@Sanquinity the notice lets you leave in good standing in case you ever want to come crawling back lol Some places deserve it. Some don't. If i leave my current job I want to give them notice they have been cool. Last job cut my hours, so I told them I was done working there the day before I went to work at a new job

They should also file a lawsuit for mental and emotional trauma, physical and emotional trauma for stress, anxiety and lack of sleep, punitive damages for violating first amendment civil rights and any other and all punitive damages as a result of this hospital’s actions and/or rhetoric….

Directly sue the judge for not letting them work.

@@otherbob23 Unfortunately this would fall under judicial immunity.

In addition to punitive damages

@@otherbob23 they can’t sue the judge but they can sue the county/city he works for

i read that the employees went to work anyway because the judge can't really enforce anything. still this idiot needs to never be a judge again.

@@smurfx They might do that, but this all happened on the 21st, and they're due to start work on the 24th.

It sounds to me like one of those build back better ideas!

@@JayHarrisGuitarLessons kindly administer self-copulation.

biden democrat slave masters think the employees are their slaves.......no surprise from slave masters. maybe the slaves should do as biden's nazi brownshirts have done and burnt buildings to the ground as when being really being enslaved by democrat filth, the democrat filth needs to understand that such evil is not to be tolerated. sadly democrat slave masters like to DICTATE who can work according to vaccine status or provide "preference" by racist criteria set by racist democrat "quotas"

Heh, "free", that's good 😂

wonder if they could all go against the judge once this is over

We'll probably get more info by Tuesday.

Those so-called 'free Americans' were slaves trying to leave the plantation.

The laws look good on paper but are open to interpretation

I would immediately start a temporary labor service and hire all my ex coworkers and send them to the new hospital as Temps that work for me, not the hospital. Charge them 5% so that they can still get paid, still work, still provide for the community, leaving me stuck outside because I started the agency... (because the judge will likely hold me in contempt).

You're assuming that at-will employment laws were ever intended to be fair or equally applied to employers and employees. Huge assumption. No evidence exists to suggest this was ever intended.

If the employees have to return to work or be forced into poverty, that is pretty harmful to the individual just for trying to find a better job. THEDA could take years to find replacements. They should have thought about that in their long term short term analysis.

Kinda hard to choose which hospital you go to in an emergency

@@namor3607 at will employment laws were designed to prevent black workers from unionizing with white workers in Arkansas. So it was never intended to be in the employees favor.

I think those patients are traumatically injured and probably don't care who saves their life.

when i have SEEN people i know leave and get other work because, one place was pushing mandates, the other was not, i can just see if this was an "at-will" state issue how they could have ended up blocked, the thing is... all of these people have worked the whole time, they have been exposed and are better protected then any "vaccine" will offer, according to every study thats come out... hell israels study showed 13x better from prior infection vs the "Vaccines" (immune modifiers to be more realistic about what they do/how they work..) i know a few were being shamed as "Anti-Vax" despite having all their other shots, just not ones that arent even fully approved, that they have seen some pretty nasty side effects from first hand treating the victims... after my reaction to the first 2 doses i refused to get more, my specialist actually agreed after i told him how much worse it made my health, and just as it was starting to get back to normal the 2nd dose..its been months and im still more inflamed then i have been in years... full body inflammation, that was under far far better control prior to the jab... i have always been more worried about the "Stupid Virus" as we started calling the rioting idiocy in portland, then i have been cv19... i have health issues, but they all stem from my immune system being on overdrive all the time, i rarely get ill, and when i do its not colds or flu's its.. food poisoning... as odd as that may sound... at 16 i quit getting the flu shot.. i have had the flu 1 time since, and im 43 as of last nov, and that time... it was like a bad cold... the rest of the family was down for over a week with the stomach flu... i was "ill" for 3 days, the 4th i woke up feeling better then i had in quite a while if a bit more easily fatigued, kept them taken care of till they were on the mend... even then... i just felt like i had a moderate cold at worst.. they were dying... with the number of times i have been exposed to cv19, im pretty sure, i already had the antibodies before i got the jab anyway... quite a few people i was in contact with over the year came down with cv19, if they would cover antibody testing via my insurance i have little doubt im protected by more then a jab... that i doubt did me any good at all...with how horrible it made me feel... oh the other hand.... i know a few people with serious health issues who genuinely needed to get the jab if only to wait for a mild varient like omicon that... funny enough they ALL GOT AROUND THANKSGIVING/XMAS... even the ones who were triple vaxxed and boosted to hell..infact they got sicker then the ones who had no jab at all... one of our friends was so scared by the media, she got 2 of each, M, P and J&J, she ended up in the hosp for a week, the only one who was vaxxed to that degree, the only one to endup in the ER and under ICU monitoring... (even the immunologist told her that was likely why she was hit so hard, these 'vaccines' can knock your immune system down and around, making you more susceptible to infection in general, im also told by my own immunologist that they dont like to give too many traditional vaccines too close togather anymore either, as they have realized it can have the opposite effect intended at times, with these new 'vaccines', we need long term controlled studies before we will know how safe they are long term and how best to use them. i genuinely believe they wouldnt have pushed nearly as hard with lockdowns and mandates if the democrats hadnt lost the power they are entitled to... because they did and they saw no easy way out or upside for themselves to backing down from what they insisted would save us during the last guys admin... oh...and lets not forget that they have come out in strong support of the #GreatReset where we will own nothing, rent everything and be happier then ever before in history...

Agreed

I agree too, except that the damage is not restricted to healthcare. What stops an employer in another field from using the same tactic? The judge should be censured for this abusive decision.

@@BruceS42 agree wholeheartedly.

Sue them? With what, your saving account of a half a million? Better off leaving them and finding a different employer other than this intended one.

Exactly, no one who could get hired anywhere else would apply there

Bad ThedaCare? No, bad judge.

The same thing happened at an early education center I worked at. They paid nothing but required a ton of experience and advanced education, then started demanding a focus on bureaucracy instead of direct services. They could only get lead teachers who couldn't get an education job anywhere else, then they wondered why the school sucked and parents were unhappy. I moved to a different agency.

@@theBear89451 bad both. But ThedaCare is worse for actually filing the lawsuit

@Pink 🦍 Buddough Well, it is.

Yes. Why does a Judge have the power to prevent qualified at will applicants from working anywhere they want, anytime they want? This seems like judicial activism of the worst kind.

@@pierrechildress8875 I agree with you, right wing judicial activism: protect business at all costs.

@@Dave.O he's a Democrat. Choke on those apples.

@@Dave.O The guy is a *demoKKKrat.*

@@teamtinyturtle9103 be orrriginal

Yeah. Who does he think he is? Chief Justice Roberts? Making a mandatory insurance a tax. Legislating from the bench. But seriously folks. They have rules laws mandates and plans that state when THEY feel you are ready they can pull you out of school and put you in a job that will be your job for the rest of your life. Like Fry in Futurama being a delivery boy. Forever.

Why is this bullshit? I mean...that's what they're doing with vaccine mandates.... They can do whatever they want. :)

I believe the new employer would be held responsible for allowing the TRO to be violated. Having said that, the TRO is BS anyway.

@@jacobrzeszewski6527 Nope. They wouldn't be held accountable, considering the order from the judge is illegal to begin with.

@@eggpod4567 it's not illegal until a very expensive legal proceeding says it is.

@@ShaferHart Laywer up and sue the hell out of the judge and the employer. What they're doing is illegal as fuck.

@@eggpod4567 So if the TRO orders the employees to not work and make money and starve to death and become homeless in the endeffect, they have to follow through and die in a winter night under a bridge.

Republican communism at work as usual!

@@zzzz-ok7733 idiot - this has nothing to do with republicans. The only dictators in the US are democrats.

Cool story bedwetter

@@Mox3712 Considering the FACT that the Republican candidate in the last presidential election tried to seize power after losing the election (LITERALLY trying to become an unelected dictator), you have a lot of gall accusing others of being dictators.

@@AHeinermann I don't think you even know what fascism is. The Republicans are in no way in favor of Socialist Nationalism, they are in general wimps (cave to the first sign of democrat propaganda), or classically liberal (free enterprise and individual liberty). Democrats aren't even classically liberal (the only definition that should matter), they are progressives, which is the inspiration for the two dictators in Germany and Italy that founded the Fascist ideology.

If companies can manage to hire scabs during union strikes, then these guys will have no problem finding idiots willing to work for them.

And isn't everyone surprised that the employees left to go to another place?

​@@nodak81 Not necessarily, those type of union battles usually happen in low education factory jobs. Doctors tend to have more options and do more research into a potential employer.

@@nodak81 No they will just apply to work for Hospital B after hearing that they get better wages and benefits there !

​@@elmateo77 doctors are rarely staff aka employees. Staff tends to be cna, orderlies, nurses etc.

Hopefully they can sue for lost wages and the expenses incurred from having their income suddenly and illegally stopped

@@jtosety It also seems to me that hospital B has the same basis to sue that hospital A is claiming. After all, if they were expecting 7 new employees to start work today, doesn't that put their patients at risk? That's why none of this makes sense.

The court isn't intervening in the worker's right to quit. Just in the worker's right to freely chose their new employer (which is just as messed up).

@@eliseintheattic9697 This is absolutely logical. Would it not also be the equivalent, if the workers sued the original hospital that refused to pay them more, on the same basis that the hospital was failing their duty to provide services?

@@darbywing2 no.. because if hospital A refused the match the salary being offered by hospital B - then the staff LEAVE and go work at hospital B. I hope hospital A are found to be in the wrong (which they absolutely are.. even essential workers cannot be FORCED to work somewhere they do not want to) and are forced to pay legal fees AND salary lost to the staff they will now lose.

I’d have to wonder if its due to an actual shortage of not enough people wanting to be nurses? Management refusing to hire more nurses, or a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Someone gets into nursing, but because of a shortage, and bad treatment, leaves that field. Maybe a mix of all 3? I’m not sure.

Come work in, a Canadian Hospital, & take, yearly vacation time. Enjoy our lock-down society too 🥲

@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist they refuse to hire any extra coverage in nurses because it affects their bottom line in “for profit” medicine and THEIR BONUSES. And there is the real crux of the matter.

@@calicocritterscrafts886 so true. Their staffing algorithms say 'x' nurses can accomplish the task and they get a fat bonus next quarter.

My brother is a GP-he has been short staffed since day 1 two years ago after his practice got bought out.

I'd stand outside on the sidewalk with a bunch of signs explaining the entire situation, the entire time of the suit. Then when it's said and done I'd sue the employer for loss of wages. , damages, and mental damages as well.

Or is a mindless marxist.

@@talisikid1618 you dont know what that word means lol, I’m a actual socialist and no one on my side supports this.

@@talisikid1618 wtf are you talking about. This is peek capitalism my dude.

Where I live, the County Commission (CC) head appoints members of the hospital board. The CC head is also a partner of a law firm that handles legal affairs for the hospital. Any one see a conflict of interest? Welcome to South GA politics...

@@christiansmith804 what happens when u run out of other peoples money? Oh, yeah, we print more & ruin the dollar......

@Chris G there is an easy fix for that. Offer a damn contract!

@Chris G Loyality checks - so in their reasoning was they were paying a bonus so you were obligated to stay 50 future weeks. Were they also promising to not release you for the next 50 weeks as a show of loyality?

@Chris G to protect you from this bu!!$h!t! I am in the same boat as you! I prefer no contract because my skill set is in high demand and I’m good at it! I’d rather be able to leave at a moment’s notice if I felt it was no longer in my best interest. But my point remains. An employer can force me to accept a contract to continue employment.

I'm betting that the hospital that was attempting to hire these employees also has a legitimate case to sue the other hospital and the judge.

@@donaldphillips9403 I'd bet so as well. They're prevent willing applicants from filling roles they need to run their business.

Yup, ever since the U.S. got rid of official slavery, the rich have been trying to find some loophole to bring it back. Every time we plug one hole, they just go and find another.

26 yrs a nurse. 9 months from "securing" my full pension (rule of 80) at my current job. I'm going to travel and job hop like a fiend until I finally retire. The minute you leave the clinical/bedside aspect of health care it becomes "Big Business" and health care systems are as bad if not worse in how they treat employees. They've got you bent over a barrel and will never let you forget it.

Amen. A nurse that worked at Ascension hospital. Fired nurses for not respecting medical exemptions, now this. I have been a nurse for a long time, would not go into nursing if to do over again

To be fair, all employers, irrespective of the filed, think as much. Very few actually face such a labor shortage, they have to behave fairly.

Amen. That’s a big reason I quit my RN job for the state of NC. I’m mulling over jumping back in part time for a new employer. 🤔

No, he hasn't. It's a very temporary injunction for status quo to remain until he can hear final arguments. Completely standard procedure at this point.

No argument, prevents the pursuit of happiness. Judge violates rights with this .

@@markdoldon8852 " It's a very temporary injunction " - Which by definition violates the protected rights of the workers in question.

@@markdoldon8852 Why don't you give us a citation on which law, State or Federal, which allows any judge to take an action such as this, against individuals he does not have jurisdiction over? There are no legal grounds for such an order, even an temp. order, and I am honestly amazed none of the workers have not already kicked this entire case up to the federal court level - this judge is wrong, plain and simple.

The judge need to make it right by forcing the old hospital to pay for the days the workers were not allowed to work.

Ain't that the truth. An hour northwest of you, theda has had a "colorful" history.

I’m local to this too. Not to mention, Green Bay is around 25 minutes away also with 4 hospitals and more than 1 trauma center.

Yes. Judges are supposed to be impartial, ruling according to laws/statutes, but these days they’re simply political tools & have zero ability to abstain in ruling illegally to simply forward their politics. Tar/feather these pricks.

Actually there was precedence. The 1st hospital claimed the 2nd hospital recruited the workers. Considering they were all on the same team and the 1st hospital was a level 2 critical care, the loss of the team would be detrimental. The 2 hospitals are competitors. Recruiting a team that could hurt the 1st hospital could be corporate espionage. Corportate espionage is illegal. Once it was proven the 2nd hospital didn’t actually recruit, the employees chose to leave, the injunction was lifted.

@Jax ok, name the precedent. The only cases that I am aware of invoke non-compete agreements. Also, recruiting is not corporate espionage unless there is proprietary information involved. Are you saying that the processes and procedures of hospital 1 were proprietary? I have been recruited and recruited other before, and your point makes no sense without a contract.

@@benstepanek2808 Everyone has been recruited. There is a difference between a company recruiting you and a company recruiting you AND everyone else in your department at one time leaving your current employer unable to function. A precedent would be EMC (the data storage company Dell bought in 2016) and PTC. PTC kept kept recruiting from the same department within EMC’s channel ops. PTC hired 12 employees from that department within the course of 4 months. There was an injunction put in place that PTC could no longer directly recruit from that department. It didn’t stop them from hiring EMC employees, just directly recruiting from that department. After the ruling, PTC even sent out an internal memo to employees to not even interview EMC employees for a while. By hiring an entire team from a competitor you would be able to learn how they function and do everything that they do from every angle and that is proprietary information.

@Jax Dell also made the lawsuit about intellectual property, the same way they went after Pure. It doesn't translate to a hospital setting, unless maybe a research hospital. No intellectual property changes between the two orgs

Ignoring the fact that a better local hospital will get their team, so people can still get care.

This is insane, nobody broke any contracts in this situation, there is no basis for any restrictions, this judge should be fired immediately!

If it's the health care organization I think it is, you are absolutely right when you say 'train wreck of a business'.

They can if this case drags out. Need damage to have a suit...

1. That would be awesome to see. make sure it goes in front of the same judge too.

@@Isador911 that judge needs disbarred.

Litigation sounds like a great plan. BUT its expensive and takes a LONG time. I learned that life lesson a few years back. Even if you are right, its not worth the headache. I have meet a few decent CEO's in healthcare. Others are just complete psychopaths.

The damages were immediate when the judge tainted these employees within a free market. Sue the judge, the state, both hospitals the administrators and every lawyer that touched this case for those hospitals. Every day it takes add 1500 per employee for continued damages against every defendant. Something tells me it would settle out quickly.

There’s an update linked in the description

Its the fault of the old employer as well. They should have more respect for their employees than to act like this but then This is capitalism at work I suppose.

@@Isador911 Not at all. This is slimy of the old employer but they can rant and rave all they want, the only binding decision here is that of the judge, and it's tenuous whether he even has the authority to grant this request from the salty employer.

@@ajobdunwell2585 I'd love to know what kind of insane BS that judge is on. He has no authority to tell someone they can't work at a place they are hired.

@@Isador911 How is being told u cant work for who you want free market capitalism. Ill be waiting for that explanation, because it doesn't sound like it to me. Don't tell me the problem is X, when X is not even being done. A judge telling you who you can work with, is not free market capitalism.

@@cult_of_odin I'm curious who's representing the employees. Is their future employer springing for representation or are they going to have to come out of pocket? I found a couple versions of the story, but none mention their counsel.

They can't

Only in communist republican ran states! Happens all the time...

Did you not watch this video? That is not the issue. It’s the hospital saying the other hospital poached their workforce and that’s what they’re blocking. If each employee just quit one at a time over a period of a month there would be no lawsuits. It’s the mass quitting/hiring that is the issue

@@valuedhumanoid6574 Even so, if there's no contract with a non-compete clause, then no employer should be able to restrain (former) employees from seeking a better offer. The argument for right-to-work is that it allows both employer and employee to remain competitive and seek offers that work best for them.

@@valuedhumanoid6574 as Steve pointed out, more than once, the staff approached the hospital, not the other way around. Plus, the staff gave the administration plenty of notice, and a chance to match the offer. They chose to be cheapskate penny pinching pieces of $h!+. If anyone didn't watch the video, it was you.

@@valuedhumanoid6574 The suing hospital does NOT have a contract with either the nurses/technicians or the other hospital. There is no basis upon which they could have sued in this case. The whole thing is illegal.

Because all the judge has done is order the parties to come back on the next business day with arguments to support their cases. This isnt a ruling, it's just a judge saying " I am scheduling a full hearing Monday. Until then, everything will remain as is." It's a three day delay, a single business day. If he somehow extends the TRO beyond that, it becomes a larger issue. But that's extremely unlikely unless there is some other factor with which we are unacquainted. In the meantime I have heard tales that members of the local legal community are lined up willing to take the case.

@@markdoldon8852 if thedacare (theta care?) fired the employees, the employees would have been gone, no judicial bull crap involved. Let the people go

Because we allow incompetent judges who are not subject to punishment for their stupidity.

Hospital B isn't able to compete with them using their old employees, either.

Problem is that any money they get from that will be in the future, their bills have to be paid now. This is just insane.

yeah, honestly, this feels very...communistic in some creepy ways... "you cant change jobs, you are needed in the job you already have, its for the good of the community" kinda shit.... when my friends grandad started bitching about the reds again, it took a few years for us to see it.. now its like "omg... he wasnt wrong... and hes not senile... just excentric" (the last part. is so true... we got to meet a few of his old friends... ones daughter said hes always been like that since she was a little kid, he was no more senile then she was... and... if shes senile...well...then the person who use to be president of a local community credit union was senile... she only retired from that because her friends daughter wanted to run and, she felt the girl would be a perfect fit for the job... they worked out a 4 year internship deal so the girl could fully learn the job that the girl had them extend to 6 years when she realized there were a few things she still needed to learn and that were coming up during the 1.5 years following the planned retirement... anyway... i dated one of her grandaughters for a while... still good friends with her and the family in general... shes far too type-a for me... she would get 3hrs sleep a night then get board and want you to do stuff with her... like go for a walk when it was still dark out and shit.... "i only go out this early when fishing is involved" ...fishing would drive her crazy if it wasnt constant bites... patients wasnt her strongsuit... shes ALOT better these days... after blowing out her knee hiking and having to have 6 total surgeries including a full knee replacement ... she learned to slow down a bit... thankfully they didnt give her a plastic knee like they do older people... she would ware that out just walking the stairs to her kitchen/basement office....quickly..(she keeps her drinks upstairs so she has to go up and down to get a drink if she dosnt just have water, forced exorcise... i took a tip out of her book and started keeping my drinks in the main fridge so i move more despite computing alot.. ;) )

aww, that's cute you really think they viewed you as heros..........they just buttered up to you so you'd show up to work :) You're only heroes to the people you help not to the people you work for.

@@AshenTechDotCom Sounds communist? Are you not paying attention it's clearly only being held up due to capitalism but sure.. This dude is trying to say the for-profit health care system sounds like communism. Because the capitalist backed court system made a decision based on capitalism. Try to twist this so you can somehow blame the commies. SMH.

@@AshenTechDotCom Punctuation.. Capitalization.. Anything just try it.

@@AshenTechDotCom wow, I feel like I know you now

They likely have staff lawyers so it wouldn't cost them anything extra.

Unless the lawyer work was within their retainer amount. But true, they could have had experienced happy employees equipped with institutional knowledge.

@@MaryDunford It's the entire industry. That's what happens when you treat healthcare as a profit engine rather than a service like police or firemen. We are the last advanced nation to not offer free healthcare to it's citizens.

@@y0nd3r 100%.

The employee who started it first went to Theda Care and asked them to match the wages at Accension but Theda Care refused. Then more than the original left. The hospitals here in Appleton are horrible to their employees.

I was thinking the same thing. I work in an industry that has turnover, alot of companies that are good, fair, and poor to work for. It gets around. No one will wanna work for hospital A because they now know that the workers are not valued, but looked at with contempt.

Yeah, these guys are basically saying "we only want the bottom of the barrel, who can't go anywhere else, and therefore won't ever leave".

Best I have heard yet

burn it all down, let this house of cards collapse!

As a bartender/server, preach. But also, I've never seen anything done to food we served.

@@mathewspiekerThe cases I know about for certain involved high school age staff decades ago and what was done might now get them charged with terrorism with a biological agent. I know plenty of adults with a similar level of maturity, though, so I expect it does still happen even with adult staff at least occasionally.

Love this but you left out the word individual for worker's rights. We have to understand that it is the individual that is granted rights by our Creator. Our constitution is the law that means exactly this. Read our Constitution and take note. Government has NO AUTHORITY to limit our individual rights. As a society, we accept local laws to make us safe from stupid or vicious acts. We are fine with smart traffic rules but we do not accept stupid rules like dressing up like judges before we drive. A balance is struck between the needs of the many & the needs of the one individual.

Companies just need to stand up and setup up contracts with their employees, and employees should ask for them; it instantly resolves this type of dispute. I'm from the UK where we always have a contract with an emmployer, and having also worked in the US for a few years it felt wrong and bizarre to have no contract with the people I worked for, and knowing I could effectively just decide to stop going to work - that helps neither of us, while a notice period helps us both. Any company should be more than happy with a contract including a notice period, since they should expect to grow as a business, so they should hope to gain staff, not fire staff; they should hope to hire the right staff too. In a successful business the number of staff leaving on their own accord should be far greater than the number you decide to 'let go'.

Giving a company 2 weeks is a waste of time. In two weeks that job will be filled before you put in 1st of the two weeks. The you need to find another job. Besides they will gladly mail your personal contents of your desk and simultaneously let know you have been fired over the phone. I look at it as firing a company. In right to work states the company will fire you to hire a lower paid worker. As for medical personnel there are temporary medical personnel companies. My brother ran one of those in Gross Pointe, MI. He even filled some of those positions when he could not find a nurse or doctor. But suing for that? You had to pay someone for that. Slavery is illegal.

@@warrenpuckett4203 Two weeks notice when you're at-will always confused me, at least when people feel obliged. If you work somewhere good, with a good team of people, fine. But otherwise just go. If they make a fuss then point out they chose to use at-will, instead of having a contract.

@@hearnia2k I think its more courteous thing, but legally they can't force you to work or give them 2 weeks. If they did, they're just paying you to take small leaks in the bosses room marking your territory and sprinkling shavings of your $hit in their brownie.

It’s the new norm - workers are basically office supplies.

Wonder why people quit

Land of the free, hu?

You cannot sue Judge even for an invalid ruling. That a judge makes an improper ruling does not make them evil, corrupt, or criminal. The judge makes a ruling. The parties involved have the opportunity to challenge the ruling in higher courts. In this particular case, it is a TEMPORARY injunction, pending a full hearing Monday. In a case like this, the judge is enjoined to seek the LEAST damaging outcome. With just a weekend between the temporary and final hearing, the judge is taking the position that the plaintiffs moving to a new employer (with all that implies) is greater harm than the nurses missing a shift or two. In the meantime, he has recommended that they work out a better solution. Odds are, unless new information comes forward by Monday, they plaintiffs will win. If so, it can be argued that no harm has been suffered. In the end, this will be forgotten in a week. The current hospital will lose all the nurses involved (the working environment is quite likely permanently broken just by virtue of the àttempt), and quite likely has soured the overall working environment, resulting in even MORE employees leaving (today or some time down the road). It wouldn't be surprising to see a lot of other employees flock to the new employer, should they be interested in making an offer. Bad judgment by the hospital all around. Repairing a working environment this badly ruptured is extremely difficult, often impossible.

The problem is you can’t sue the judge. At most they can push to have him removed from the bench. However they can sue the hospital and they should do it publicly that no one in their right mind would ever take a job with them without an ironclad contract.

Good. Fuck that hospital.

Yeah they know they fucked up and are trying to save face. Do not forgive or forget. Put them out of business. Do NOT use their services.

@@fefnireindraer144 The problem with health care and in particular hospitals is that you can't simply boycott them. People don't shop around when they need to go to a hospital as each hospital will usually have somewhat of a monopoly on services in the area and there is often no choice.

Thanks so much for the update. Appreciate your kindness fam. So glad those people can start their new jobs.

@@paulwblair The boycott wouldnt come from patients, but workers. I wouldnt be surprised if those now vacant positions remain vacant for some time.

Yes, this was my thought too. It seems that the employees would have a good case against the first hospital as that hospital has hurt them monetarily.