After watching the last episode I got even more respect for Alyn he doesn’t want anything from Corlys he grew up without a father in the streets most of the time seeing his father who didn’t even look his way and still wanted to serve him
It’s honestly a very different situation but I would say it showcases the differences between the women all the more starkly and Catelyn looks all the worse. Yes Catelyn was much younger but she was not in love with her husband. She was not even engaged to him originally. She knew him for a few nights and had been married days when he left and apparently “fathered” Jon snow. Rhaenys and Corlys were thought in Rhaenys mind to be a love match. That they loved each other from the start. Corlys also hid it from her which is worse in that he led her to believe he was faithful and their relationship was what it was. Rhaenys has much more reason to hate Alyn on principle than Catelyn has to hate Jon. But Catelyn doesn’t hate Jon really she’s scared and that’s what makes her the lesser person. That she allows her fear her entire life dictate how she treats a child
Pretty much agree. She has been taunted with her nickname as "The Queen who never was", loved her family so very much, not just husband and her 2 kids, but Viserys, who often didn't see the bigger picture. She truly loved Corlys, (her nursing him back to health, a conversation from earlier in the season when they were in bed and that lovely little scene in the previous episode, giving Corlys food in the rain, and honouring her husband's illegitimate sons, even at the point of just finding out about them. And complimenting them, with the comment about how their mother must have been beautiful. I didn't really care much about her in season 1, (except when Vaemond lost his head and tongue at Daemon's sword), but I think she really stepped up with season 2, which then reminded me of how much her character was pretty much honourable, wise, and loving, just keeping those moments private. Besides which I still don't think she had a chance against both Aegon and Aemond on Vhaegar. She bowed out and sacrificed herself, with grace and honour. RIP. Rhaenys and Maelys.
She does, she's an awesome character. Then again, IIRC, for noble families during that era, it's very common for their lord husbands to take up lovers and have natural children (albeit lowborn children). Most of these marriages are arranged so most of them don't grow love for each other. It's different for Corlys and Rhaenys since they did grow to love and care about each other. For the wives, it's not surprising when their husband keep lovers and their natural children, what's surprising for me is how Rhaenys didn't mind Corlys honoring Alyn and raising him up. That's the part that's different. Most noble women (wives/mothers) would feel that this would be a threat to their trueborns (Catelyn Stark, I'm looking at you LOL), but keep in mind, Rhaenys's and Corlys's children are dead at this point and only their grandchildren were around... so she might feel with the war, it might be necessary to keep family closer together rather than apart.
@@tracys169my thoughts exactly. She didn’t automatically hate him for being her husband’s bastard. And actually commended him for saving his father. Also she probably realizes that it would make her a hypocrite since the first Baratheon was the bastard brother of Aegon the Conqueror. With Catelyn Stark, she seemed to have forgotten that many bastards of house stark were extremely loyal to their trueborn siblings, and House Stark had a history of caring for them and having them grow up in Winterfell.
@gabesarti7184 that's probably because Catelyn is a Tully from the River lands and not a Northerner like say lady Barbary Dustin; a Northerner would have known that Starks always keep their kids close, loyal and united.
Is it me or does Alyn look more like Corlys' son than Laenor. No wonder Rhaenys looked spooked, seeing a man who is the spitting image of her husband's youth.
And thus, lamented her fate as having never fulfilled her great destiny. Hence, she chooses the path of a warrior and a warrior's death in battle. We are shown that she could have just as easily fled after wounding Rhaegar and calling him to tumble hard to the ground. She had already inflicted considerable damage to the Greens. Instead, she stays in the battle, and continues to engage, knowing perhaps that it was a battle she would not return from.
But Corlys and his brother don't have dragon blood. Corlys himself said Velaryons are not riders. This confuses me a bit. I thought the Velaryons got dragon blood from Rhaenys.
@@koonehkun6404The Velaryons and the Targaryen have intermarried for generations but the dragonseed will raise the question of who can and cannot tame a dragon.
@@carlycrays2831spoilers ahead as a warning later on inorder to get more dragon riders rheynera tries to get a bunch of dragonseeds to claim the unclaimed dragons on dragonstone. being corlys bastards ment thet he and adam were dragonseeds (the targeyrean and valaryan bloodlines had been conciderably intertwined over the centuries). Ultimately adam would eventually come to claim seasmoke (which all be confirms laenor died in the 10 years between when he escaped and now). Incase your wonder the others were hugh hammer, nettles, and ulf the white
This scene made me like Rhaenys even more. She knows who Allyn is, knows how he is Corlys' son, but still she treats him with so much respect. She gets angry with the one who is really to blame, Corlys.
I don't know if I would call that respect. She was in utter shock that she was seeing a man who looked just like her husband once did. She's seeing a ghost
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@@GiveonKing Yeah to a lot of people who don't know a lot of black people, they're gonna look similar. They also can't tell Mexicans apart in China. Go figure
Why? Just because she handled her personal situation well? What about her stompling hundreds of smallfolk just to stare at Alicent at the end of season 1?
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Agreed about that part. That was seriously bad writing from the directors' side. The book version of Aegon's coronation was beautiful. Stomping hundreds of people and than leaving without destroying the main problem doesn’t make any sense really.
Corlys was a high value man who gave the queen that never was a good life and children. Corlys having children while on his purpose is just harsh reality. Corlys also respected her.
I love that she told Corlys to raise him up instead of being ashamed. Allyn saved his father and Lord's life. Be proud he is your son. Our trueborn is dead, my children are all dead, but you have him.
0:26 When Rhaenys looks at Alynn; she sees a young Corlyss at same time I respect Rhaenys at the very least she acknowledges Alynn as her Husband’s Bastard Son 1:20 and hints at the least Legitimizing him 1:30
In the book, these guys don't get introduced until after Rhaenys dies, meaning I thought she never knew about them. But the fact that she did and she encouraged Corlys to bring them forward... just phenomenal
Rhaenys should have been queen. If she was then I'd wager this war would have never taken place and the Targaryen house would have had a chance of survival.
Nah, pretty sure people like Otto would have still tried to worm their way onto the thrown. While she would have been a decent ruler, she probably would have had to put down a few lords who “would spit on their ancestors before kneeling to a woman”
@@hydraman246 Maybe so but I doubt she would have been as docile as Viserys and tried to please everyone or played favourites. She would have been an impartial ruler. I think that was the Targaryens biggest mistake was thinking having a woman rule their house would have been wrong. The men of their house who sat on that throne did more damage than any of the women did and inevitably caused the collapse and ruin of House Targaryen.
@@user-gc5vs3sq3r absolutely I mean it would’ve been good for house Targaryen to have a female queen every now it would’ve saved so much. Even in this I believe the small folk were actually ready for rhaenyera to take the throne that’s all they talked about the only thing rhaeynra had to worry about when she took the throne was the council of men who were more sexist than anyone else but she could easily stop that and prove herself.
Doubt it. She was denied her birthright for the same reason Rhaenyra was denied hers. Different woman but still, a woman lol. They would have found a way to plant seeds of chaos.
She was neither insecure, nor petty, nor jealous. Slightly envious, but neither angry nor vengeful. She chastises her husband for not giving Alyn his proper accolades for his duty. “He should be raised up and honored, not hidden away” She could care less what others think. What a true wife, what a true woman. So different from the character Catelyn Tully/Stark.
@@vangu2918 Unlike women, a husband cheats with his body, not with his heart. Which is why husbands almost never leave their wives for “the other woman”. His heart is always with the woman he married, unless she makes him so miserable that he simply goes. He is not proud, nor does he flaunt his weakness, and if the side chick crosses the line, he gets rid of her without hesitation, remorse, or regret. The character Rhaenys obviously understands Men, knows her husband and knows his love is with her and no other. Which is why she chastised him for the treatment of his bastard son. She sees the face of the man she loves in the eyes of his child. Keywords “your mother must’ve been very beautiful (to have him stray)” It was also why Lord Velaryan refused to have his wife disrespected or humiliated in any way or by anyone.
@@vangu2918 You’ve missed the point entirely. Please do not project an autobiography upon my words. It’s extremely offensive and out of line. Where do you see anyone “commending him” ?
Ned purposefully kept Cat in the dark which is why she disliked Jon, the majority of her dislike came from Ned's refusal to tell her who Jon's mother was. If you want to be angry at someone over that situation, blame Ned. I love Rhaenys as well but Catelyn had a normal emotional response to her husband cheating on her and forcing her to live with the product of his infidelity. Also it's a bit odd to dislike Cat over being mean to her husband's bastard but love Rhaenys who trampled multiple innocent people in the Dragonpit just to stare down the Greens.
A nice change from the book which only had testimonies from characters who didn't know what Rhaenys knew. Everyone assumed Corlys kept Alyn and Addam away to avoid angering his Targaryen wife or her dragon. Nice to see she was both aware and accepting of them.
@@JR47846 he doesn't end up with a dragon, his brother does. He still gets knighted , legitimized & becomes lord of the tides after corlys dies... & FYI he does have blood of the dragon in him coryls grandmother was a targaryen, coryls himself refuses to ride a dragon because his house is know for sailing
Rhaenys realized she got Catelyn’d 😅 lol but jokes aside, she handled that really well, choosing tolerance and understanding for her husband over petty bitterness and jealousy.
Different situation completely: This is Corly’s actual biological son, whereas, Ned Stark pretended that Jon Snow was his son to protect him from Robert Baratheon’s wrath if he’d found out that Jon was Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen were his parents.
@@johncampbell631 Catelyn had to look at Jon, the proof her husband had cheated on her (from her point of view) growing up. While it's the first time Rhaenys see Alyn. She didn't had to live with her husband's bastard for years.
@@TheJabady I only meant this as a joke btw, but the point is that from Catelyn's perspective, she lived the rest of her life believing that Jon was Ned's biological son. So her reaction vs Rhaenys' reaction when finding out about the "bastard" son is what's being paralleled here.
This is where i get A LITTLE upset with her character, she knows she's needed to protect the grandchildren, yet she decides to pretty much die at rooks rest. She could have burned them all in the dragons keep but chose to fly away, Aegon was hurt badly! She could have flown away and reported back and been helpful still. Man, team black lost a good elder and dragon
I would like to say that there’s a lot of factors that go into her arguably flawed decision making. The key one being that the three most important people in the entire war are there: The king, his hand and the prince regent. If she can kill Vhagar then the war is won. If she can seriously injure Vhagar then the war is won. And there might not be a better chance than now to get Vhagar because the Hightower host along with their forth dragon is on the March and their third dragon is still in kings landing with Halaena. So I can see why she decided to risk attacking them. Also meleys is an incredibly strong dragon and arguably could best Vhagar in a fair 1 on 1 however of course she is bested by a very sneaky Vhagar attack so maybe not. Plus I mean it’s pretty damning for the blacks’ war effort is their first battle ends with one of their strongest dragons running away (even if it is the best move tactically)
Realistically I think rhaenys knew she wasn't going to survive that fight, meleys may be the fastest dragon but she had also just gotten out of a fight with sunfyre meanwhile vhagar was well rested and didn't have any injuries. Meleys most likely would have exhausted herself trying to escape while also dodging any of vhagar’s attacks. At best I think Rhaenys was hoping to injure vhagar enough to incapacitate her so someone else could finish the job.
I think that while flawed, I believe that she believed even if she died hurting/maiming/killing Vhagar, at least, the war can be won for the Blacks and her family would be safe in her sacrifice.
In the books, Rhaenys didn’t know of Corlys’ bastards and she went to battle to protect her grandchildren, otherwise they would mount their dragons and fight themselves
I feel like none of this is worth the loss of life of family and of dragons. I would rather let that c$by just be king and still have my sons and all the other people and dragon that will be lost. Yes it’s not fair and infuriating but oh well.
This is almost character development, considering how she wanted to disown rhaenyras kids. I hope that after her death, corlys will take her last request to heart and more embrace his other sons
I mean just the last episode she wants to disinherit Rhaenyra's son from Driftmark. I don't really get the Rhaenys hype. She's all over the place as a character.
The great beneficiary of the dance was him. born as a bastard. Legitimizes by Queen. Acquired Driftwood Throne. Married a princess. Named as Oakenfist. Loved by two other princesses. and two sons with one. His legend was carriied by Longwaters.
Not fair to Catelyn. Rhaenys only meet Corlys kids when they already adult, and it not cleat whatevers Corlys had them before his marriage. Catelyns was forced to watch her husband bring a kid knowing Ned cheated, and then let the kid grown in her house. She didn't have any choice.
Very different reactions indeed, but everyone deals with their emotions differently. Catelyn’s reaction to Jon wasn’t great but that’s an expected response from most people in that situation. There definitely are stepmoms who would’ve acted worse.
@@xuanqinglonghoney do yourself a favour and read the books. Show Catelyn is an angel. Book one is like a watered version of Cersei in the show(when it comes to Jon anyway).
Al ver cómo ella tomaba este tipo de situaciones, incluso tan personales; te puedes dar cuenta que ella hubiera sido una increíble reina (En lugar de Viserys). No hizo esto sobre ella o su matrimonio, sabiendo por los momentos en que pasaba el bando de Rhaenyra y hasta le dio una lección a su marido, que quedó al nivel de un papito corazón.
I'm a bit confused here. Are Addam and Alyn Corlys's? I thought they were Laenor's because Corlys doesn't have dragon blood. Wasn't Rhaenys the reason the Velaryons got to ride dragons? Corlys himself said his family wasn't dragon riders.
@@Krovos_ Not all Valyrians are dragonlords. House Velaryon, Celtigar and Qoherys do have Valyrian blood but they don't have the dragon blood. They cannot ride dragons. The only explanation would be their mother has it.
Even in the Fire & Blood, it's heavily implied they're Corlys' because understandably nobody believed that Laenor had a mistress who he sired two children with. Seems like the second Corlys saw the first Strong-Velaryon he decided to make some backups. As for the dragonrider ability, it's presumed that Marilda of Hull as a Targaryen bastard
@koonehkun6404 I know that. Only the notable Valyrian houses were Dragons Lords but surely that doesn't mean that they also can't become Dragon Lords also.
Plus after Luke’s death she really wanted one of her granddaughters to inherit driftmark and he denied her. I mean she was upset even when Luke was alive but she accepted because her blood would be on the iron throne and driftmark through her granddaughters marrying Jace and Luke.
She had constantly warned him about his ambition, he didn't hear her and ruined their children's happyness with bad marriages. They lost both of their children, he named Rhaenyra's bastards as heirs over their grandaughters out of ambition, left her for years to fight in the Stepstones nearly died there and aparently has been unfaithfull for some years. Many couples have begun to hate each other for much less, the fact that they were still on speaking terms and amicable is a miracle.
@@masterplokoon8803it never really matter because what rhaenyera proposed even if baela or rhaena were heirs of driftmark and married rhaenyera’s sons it still works either way so no I don’t think Coryls was necessarily wrong unfortunately this is just a bad war thanks to Otto, Alicent and viserys.
Rhaenys for the win. I feel like that, considering what she said. Its implied that if Corlys had told her about his illegitimate sons when they were born. She would of accepted the boys as her step sons and raised them alongside her own children. And even if she got rightfullu mad at Corlys for cheating, if he had been honest from the start, Rhaenys would of forgiven him. Way better wife than Catelyn Stark ever could be.
For those wondering, she sees her son in the face of her husband's betrayal. I believe that's why she reached out to touch alyn. Anyone who's ever lost a child will tell you, their biggest regret is always "when was the last time I held them"
In the book, Corlys didn't even acknowledge Alyn and his brother before Rhaenys death.book rhaenys wouldn't have appreciated Corlys secret as the show Rhaenys and for valid reasons.
I mean he looked older than Laena and Laenor (And yeah I know the actors and character's ages don't match) but it looks like Alyn happened before Laenor so, maybe they just started courting? (for those who are Corlys and Rhaenys shippers/fans) but yeah she was definitely much better at handling that than Catelyn was. In fact Catelyn should have taken some notes.
I've always wondered: if Laenor was a dragon rider and was fleeing to the Free Cities, his dragon should have followed him because dragons don't leave their riders. But Laenor's dragon stayed at Dragonstone, which means they actually killed him. The dragon took another rider, Addam of Hull, a dragonseed according to the books.
I like how she didn’t get mad when she first met his son who she didn’t never knew about i’m thinking if she would have knew about him, she probably would have raised him like he is her own son too because she see that he looks just like corlys
I hate that they made thos the last conversation they had after they built up this couple as such loyal and honorable. This revelation hurt me bc I was like darn we cant get one good married couple plus it was the last meaningful conversation. Smh
I’m so glad that I stopped watching this show at the episode before the last one in Season One; not only because I know how it ends, but because I can’t bear to see “The Queen That Never Was” perish, as well as anymore dragons.
In the book, Corlys claimed Alyn of Hull and his brother are Laenor's sons (bastard sons), BUT, we all know Laenor couldn't have children and was gay. Although the rumor is both Alyn and Addam are Corly's lowborn sons with Marida of Hull. I'm excited to see her actually (Corlys's lover, his other woman), she's allegedly, this shrewd business woman and a good sailor too.
@@Nick-cy2tn hey us nerds are the ones who are really enjoying this show. Everyone else is lost and confused until they see a battle or a dragon flying 😂
im sad that she dies but i dont understand people that think Rhaenys character is awesome lol. she killed innocent people on the sept. shes an Okay character IMO. just remove that sept scene and she would be one of my fave. 😂.
S p o i l e r Short answer: Yes. Longer answer: Still yes lol. Alyn of the Hull (and Addam, his younger brother) are the sons of Corlys with Marida of the Hull (a shrewd tradeswoman with multiple ships and a sailor herself). In the book, Corlys claimed that both Alyn and Addam are Laenor's sons (but it's a known thing that they're not, they're Corlys' love child(ren). Not trying to justify what Corlys did, many nobility in that era had arranged marriages. Most of the lord husbands have other women on the side (as well as um, 'natural children'). Corlys was not that different than these people. There were stretches of years when Corlys was busy at war (away from Driftmark, while Rhaenys stayed put to take care of business). Rhaenys obviously expected that Corlys might find some temporary respite (in this case, Marida of Hull, whom he has 2 sons with) for those years but she never quite bothered with it since you know, it was pretty much the 'norm' for the husbands to not stay monogamous...And true to the norm, Corlys didn't intermingle his trueborns with his .... 'lowborn' children. Heck, Rhaenys in the book, didn't even know their existence (allegedly). Rhaenys is pretty special/different since she actually encouraged Corlys to not hide his lowborn children, and to even raise them up. Meanwhile, Catelyn Stark didn't feel secure with Jon Snow, not because he's a 'bastard' but it's more because he was raised amongst the trueborns. Catelyn was fearful that one day, Jon would assasinate his own half-brothers and take over Winterfell. But she can't go against Eddard's wish to raise Jon in their household.
Seriously, why does she keep supporting Rhaenyra after what they did to her son? They are just using her and don't care. That's why they had their granddaughters marry Rhaenyra's sons. I've always wondered: if Laenor was a dragon rider and was fleeing to the Free Cities, his dragon should have followed him because dragons don't leave their riders. But Laenor's dragon stayed at Dragonstone, which means they actually killed him. The dragon took another rider, Addam of Hull, a dragonseed according to the books. In the series, they made us believe that Laenor fled to avoid making the blacks look bad. He killed his husband and immediately married his uncle without any punishment. It's a theory because in the series they make the greens look very bad.
I'm wondering if it's as cut and dry as "He cheated." The sailor looks around the same age as his half siblings. This may have been in the very beginning of their marriage or just before. Before love and loyalty began to form in their betrothed marriage.
The show universe is different from the books but Velaryons don't appear in the show. Black people are in westeros in the books but they're people of Summer Isles descent and some were minor characters. There were some black people in the Brave Companions in the books. There were also black people who were dancers at Joffrey's wedding. GOT did have black characters too as Grey Worm, Missandei, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Salladhor Saan, Areo Hotah were black in the show. They weren't described that way in the books. So black characters didn't start in HOTD but we're in GOT. The black characters in the books don't appear in the show. Some characters like Chataya, Alayaya, Sarella Sand, Jalabhar Xo, Quhuru Mo, Kojja Mo, Moqorro and Brown Ben Plumm. Moqorro is a red priest who Tyrion meets and he plays a role in the last book. Alayaya is the daughter of Chataya and she was the one Cersei has beaten because she thinks Tyrion she is Tyrions whore and later on Bronn sleeps with her. Sarella Sand is one of the sand snakes so she is a daughter of Oberyn Martell. There are 8 sandsnakes in the books. The show only had 3 of them and they're better in the books, the show ruined them. Brown Ben Plumm said he is part Summer Islander and he is from House Plumm who also have Targaryen Blood in them. Fire and Blood has a character called nettles who is described as brown. She is part of the Dance of the Dragons so we don't know if HOTD will show her as she hasn't been confirmed yet. So yes, black people exist in both the shows and books. You need to rewatch GOT as I listed black characters in GOT. They're definitely there.
@@SorceressWitch No. The only reason why there is a black actor in every shot of this shit show is BlackRock. And the only reason this is enforced on a social level is people like you.
There's a Summer Islander Prince named Jalabhar Xho who's in King Robert's court and is still alive in the main book series. Also there's two Black dudes in Danaerys council. "Brown" Ben Plum who Danaerys dragons take a liking and would fly on his shoulders to sit. He said it's because he's part Valaryion, summer islander and Dothraki. Also when Jamie and Brienne are caught by the Brave Companions, there'd at least one Summer Islander/Black guy with them. Also the sailors who shipped Danaerys from Pentos to Mireen were summer Islanders. Black people are in the story. You just have to read the books
@@wayne47able The only reason why there is a black dude in every shot of this shit show is because of BlackRock. Stop living in delusion. Are you working for them?
@@chandraray7798 okay thanks,because I read that marilda is daemon bastard daughter, the book says that he had a relationship with a shipman's wife, so is she a result of that? Also alyn and his brother could also be laenor's
What arrogance to think I was Rhaenys. I don't think I have enough experience in relationships with others to be this secure. I do believe I have strong knowledge about the self however the ability to spot traits of high EQ. No... I am still Aemond. If I still have projections of jealousy, than likely it means when I leave this bubble, it will probably resurface in my future relationships. BUT this is fiction. Perhaps there are some people that would react this way? Could you provide concrete examples of a healthy person acting this way in real life??
@@freeme7861Valyrians are supposed to be pale with white/silver hair and purple eyes. Having one of the three surviving Houses of Old Valyria be black makes no sense. Even if there were a mix of dark skinned and light skinned Valyrians. And even if the original survivors of House Velaryons were this dark in skin tone. By this time, their skin tone should of shifted to light skinned because of constant marriages with House Targaryen and other noble Houses of Westeros that also have light skin. Dont get me wrong, the actors are fantastic. But this was nothing more than political pandering to satisfy DEI.
I’m so burned by the cheap woke insertion of superfluous gay characters that my first thought went to him being a homosexual partner of Corlis and I rolled my eyes. It was only after the episode ended I got the real idea of him (and his brother) being his Bastard(s). Time for this mindvirus to die so we can continue enjoying actually good content like this again without being overly sensitive to perceived propaganda…
