Think you misunderstood the high Valyrian conversation in the small council. It wasn’t to hide the conversation, it was to expose Aegon as incompetent.
Yeah, it was to humiliate him, to demonstrate that Aemond has all the competencies that are expected of a Valyrian, Targaryen king, whereas Aegon has none of them, including this embodiment of their connection to their cultural heritage. I mean, in fairness, most of the council members did look completely oblivious to the contents of the High Valyrian- & yet they were still obviously able to glean Aemond’s implication from the fact that Aegon stumbled to even form a sentence in response (you can pick up on that much whether you speak the language in question or not). Also, speaking Latin may have been an important skill for educated Christians in the Medieval period, for obvious reasons… But it’s not like ALL educated people in all of Europe, regardless of their heritage & religious background & so on, ALL were required to learn Latin in perpetuity… It’s really only a pretty narrow set of cultures (associated with the Catholic Church) during a very specific historical window where that was a NECESSITY for educated people, mostly so they could study the Bible… There’s an analogy there, in that High Valyrian is an important, relevant semi-dead language in Westeros, & it’s certainly expected of Targaryen royalty, but I don’t think it’s ABSURD to think that some Lannister, or other figures with no personal connection to Valyria, might not have studied it the way Aemond Targaryen or someone in that kind of position would’ve… I think it’s an open question whether Maester Orwyle actually understood the specifics or not. He didn’t make much of an expression of recognition, but we also saw him duck & weave away from involvement in Targaryen drama in the same episode when Alicent asked him whether Viserys ever told him that he wanted Aegon on the throne; you’d think that would be a reasonable conversation for a sick Targaryen king to have with the maester on his own small council at some point, but he clearly wants no part in the court intrigue, doesn’t want his personal testimony to end up putting his life at risk, depending on how this civil war turns out… So I can certainly see him not wanting to get on either Aegon OR Aemond’s bad side by reacting to that either way. Now, if all the Velaryons & Targaryens on the Black council acted like they couldn’t understand High Valyrian, that would be weirder to me… But why should probable Andal-descendants like Jasper Wylde or whoever speak Valyrian? I could imagine Larys learning it, just because he is (a) the kind of weird intellectual who seeks power through the attainment of knowledge, (b) understanding the language of the royal family could be a very valuable asset- he surely wouldn’t want to MISS a crucial secret during his spying just because someone spoke it in High Valyrian… And (c) he’s pretty clearly tied up with some weird magickal shit, between the “Rat King” stuff, & the fact that his seat is overgrown with Weirwoods that cause Daemon to have visions, & his connection to Alys Rivers… Given all these connections to the Old Gods & his possible warging ability & his… What, possible half-sister(?) giving Daemon a potion that may very well contain Weirwood paste, & his desire for knowledge which reminds me of Rhaegar & the like, he seems to be implied to be into all of that mysterious magickal stuff enough that it wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that he has studied anything from prophecies & Targaryen/Valyrian historical magickal events (in which case being able to read/speak High Valyrian would probably be invaluable) to the First Men/Children/Old Gods worship, perhaps even some of the “Ice & Fire” stuff that ties them together in one polarity… So on a personal level, maybe he would understand… But even the rest of House Strong- it’s like… Why would some middling Riverlander nobles/knights learn High Valyrian? The main thing that ties most of these houses, & even their liege lords, to Valyrian culture is literally just that Aegon the Conquerer conquered them. But it’s not like he forced everyone to learn the language… So yeah, just because there’s this general, loose analogy to real-world Latin in the Medieval Catholic world, that doesn’t necessarily mean every educated person should have troubled themselves with learning this whole largely dead language… To what end? Unless they’re super into Valyrian history or prophecy, it seems like trying to kiss up to (or spy on) Targaryen royals would be the main benefit, & many houses just wouldn’t have a strong motivation to do so. Maesters who devoted their lives to study of ancient texts & shit would be one thing. But nah, not surprised that Tyland Lannister wouldn’t know High Valyrian.
I think it was a bit of both tbh. Orwyle should be able to keep up but to think Tyland and the other lords are fluent is a bit of a reach. Even Tyrion, an exceptionally well read lord, wasn't fluent in high valyrian
Does anybody else cringe whenever a character says asoiaf? It's like I'm peeking behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz, just completely ruins the immersion.
@@davemizore9166 i cringe at how it's still given so much importance as this epic all-important prophecy when all it took is an autistic wheelchair user and a screaming girl catapulting out of a tree to end it all.
Well I assumed he burrowed into her gullet, just getting all up in that thing. Chewing whatever he can to make an entrance hole then wrecking her from the inside. It would be so funny to see his head disappear into her neck 😭 Either way she doesn’t really die from her wounds. She most likely drowns. With no ground to take flight from, she can only sink deeper and deeper. Them black iron bones must be heavy.
I really appreciate the details when characters are in the field or in battles. Vhagar was wearing bushes for camouflage so they wouldn't be spotted from above, Criston is actually commanding his levies instead of charging in head first, the glint from the armor in the previous episode etc
It doesn’t make sense that Aemond can hide in the bushes, someone in rooks rest would see Vhagar flying to his hiding place. And the fact that no one else in Criston Coles army doesn’t know about Vhagar hiding even though he’s a huge ass dragon and again they would see him flying to his hiding place is kind of dumb.
@@SR-zv5ue At least some dudes did know, hence why they had archers and trumpets on signal duty. As for visibility, they could've flown during the night or used hills as cover or something. it's 100% doable
In the High Valyrian Council scene I thought the intent might be that the table did understand it but maybe at like a 2nd year spanish level and could clearly tell Aegon was saying essentially Donde Esta la Bibliotheca while Aemond is like True Full Duolingo Weaboo Fluent in japanese to talk to his Hatsune Miku Bodypillow.
Yeah, like I could see the Maester being fluent, but thinking Tyland Lannister is fluent in high Valyrian is wild lol. Baristan and Jorah barely know any HV in Astapor when Dany takes down the slavers... both of them high born, though Jorah northern ofc. Tyrion kinda knows high Valyrian, but he's also incredibly well read
Orwyle probably understood it, Larys maybe did. The others I don't think do. But even without understanding the words you can glean the vibe of what's going on based on their tone, fluency and body language. Aemond speaks for multiple sentences, Aegon struggles through one. Then afterwards he drops his objections to the plans being discussed.
Aemond didnt burn aegon over one incident at a brothel, a life time of bullying and watching his brother waste his life capitalized by him flying into battle risking himself. Aemond says he lost his temper when he killed luke, he lost his temper. I think veagar has a very potent affect on aemonds emotions. Rhenys just had confirmation of Corlys' infidelity too so that could explain her irrationality. I do think they needed more rhenys time before her death.
He outright says in season 1 that he believes he should be king. Plus in this same episode Daemon literally sees himself as Aemond in Harranhal and him "being resentful of his older brother denying him his birthright" has been a thing every single episode this season so far, like literally within the first ten minutes of the episode we have the theme of "killing your older liege so you can rule better" come up. Aemond wants to be king, his brother hands this conniving psycho the perfect plausible deniability to off his brother, become king, and be called a hero for it. It makes *complete sense* that Aemond would try take the opportunity presented to him. Nothing about it is a reach or out of character.
Rhaenys behaviour is so weird because they completely changed the intent and setting of the dragon fight and kept her motivation and intention the same for the most part. In F&B I read it as when Rhaenys comes to defend Rooks Rest she is ambushed by Aegon and Aemond and then in a moment of realization that there's no escape she decides to go full in and kill Aegon and try to end the war there in her mind which would call back to the goofy dragonpit scene from S1 where she didn't act but time she does. But in the episode she gets to 1v1 Sunfyre with her bigger dragon and its really odd because she just kinda wins. Then Aemond "kills" him and after Sunfyre goes down and Rhaenys and Meleys are Ok in a very strange turn of events she doesn't just fuck off at that moment especially because Meleys is probably faster than Vhagar instead then they continue with Book Rhaenys doing a suicide move to try and kill Aemond this time but its kinda silly because she tries to kill Vhagar and that does not work. Lastly after it fails and she only rakes Vhagar a little then she gives up on the suicide mission calls it quits to go home but its to late and she gets ambushed a second time by Vhagar.
@@bobertobobino2372 Rhaenys looked back and thought “if I don’t finish this today then someone else will”. She essentially wanted to save the queen, the heir and her granddaughter from doing this exact same fight. She had the best chance and with Daemon and Caraxes at Harrenhal she was all alone.
@@bobertobobino2372 Rhaenys plan almost worked. She strapped into her riding harness and flew upside down. Locking talons with Vhagar causes Vhagars giant claws to become redundant. Rolling into that 69 position blocks Vhagars flames from reaching Rhaenys due to Meleys underbelly and tail protecting her. She used gravity and Meleys speed to spin Vhagar in circles until they reached ultimate velocity which is when she body slammed Vhagar into the ground. She flew over the trees and took the time to check in on Meleys who was badly burnt and had a broken leg. By the time she was done with seeing how Meleys was she couldn’t find Vhagar’s remains on the battlefield. She looked up at the sky as most dragons like use the sun as a blind spot to attack from. Unfortunately Aemond knew she would eventually retreat home is she couldn’t find him. So he flew Vhagar under the cliff as she’d need to pass over it to get home. Once you’re in Vhagar jaws you ain’t getting out. She’s similar to a great white shark. She attacks from below and knocks the life out of her prey with her massive jaws. Shes too large to ambush from the air.
I don't think there was an Aemond character switch at all. It wasn't over the incident at the brothel. We also see Aegon bullying Aemond with the pig back in season 1. Granted, those are the only two incidents we see of Aegon bullying Aemond but we hear of him being bullied over not having a dragon more often in that same episode. And beyong that, it's clear that Aegon bullying Aemond has been going on for years and years and years. There are plenty of people in the world who have wanted to kill their childhood bullies at one time or another. And, really, we see highlighted in the brothel incident not only Aegon's lifelong bullying of Aemond, but also how Aemond's machismo comes from this bullying. There is a direct line that can be drawn to his ability to coldly murder Aegon from him being bullied for years. No, I don't find anything about Aemond's actions particularly inconsistent. Maybe underdeveloped a little bit, I suppose. But not inconsistent or unrealistic. Although, personally, I would've liked the scene to have been done a bit differently. With Aemond clearly trying to kill Rhaenys but just not caring if Aegon died. Now it seems more like he actively wanted to kill him, and I don't like that as much. Though, granted, it's still ambiguous.
It's not just the bullying either, Aemond is clearly of the impression that Aegon is incompetent and undeserving of his role. This also goes back to season 1.
@@logancarlile8895 Yeah, the only thing that's a bit odd for me is that he didn't try to kill Luke and was horrified when he did? If they just leaned into the cold blooded Aemond arc, I woulda been totally fine with it I'd have to re-read FnB, and obviously it's presented as Aegon and Aemond were on the same page, but there may be room for a different interpretation. Aemond may not have been that dutiful as Preston says. Also, can we even trust much of the source material anyways?
I thought he was referring to them switching up his character from the books because as far as we know, he’s loyal to Aegon in the books but that’s clearly not the case in the show
@@timocruz510 maybe because on some level aemond realized he wasn't completely innocent when luke took his eye, whereas aegon's bullying was always unprovoked and just to make aemond feel small. plus, aemond was always *expected* to hate the blacks, but not anyone on his "side". having to swallow his anger for years while acting as a subordinate to his idiot brother probably drove him crazy. not to mention there's the simple fact that he wants power and killing luke wouldn't do that. idk, maybe that's all a bit of a reach, but i can see a few potential reasons
Yeah a bit of an odd change and Rhaenys not wanting to boot it back to Dragonstone when Aegon falls was also odd, but let's be honest that was the best episode since S5E10 of GOT
@timocruz510 well since you brought it up lol My favorite ep of GoT period is TWOW when Jon gets crowned. Then s2e2 of HotD is my close second, but this could definitely be #3 for me since GoT s5
@@NeeNee_B. Who said it was a mistake? He was perfectly fine if Aegon died. Remind me again who was okay to use Aegon as literal dragon bait. Remind me again who was okay to use Aegon as a chew toy for Meleys… oh right his brother Aemond who “accidentally” burnt him. If he wanted Aegon safe why would he use the king as bait? …me no understand…
If you think about it, Rhaenys could have just returned to Dragonstone after Sunfyre and Aegon had been downed. That would have been a great victory for the blacks but then for some reason she just suicided against Aemond rather than go back for support from other dragons
Agreed it was odd. Meleys, Syrax and Ceraxes vs. Vhagar is a won war. In the book, there is room for Aemond to have intentionally injure Aegon, but to do it well before Rhaenys and Meleys are defeated doesn't make sense since Meleys can 100% out race Vhagar. Those two things kinda messed w me a bit, but oh my this was the best episode since S5E10 of GOT
Yeah it was a good scene but I don't know why they keep making such weird choices on how to do scenes. Sunfrye down was a major win then she actually manages to fight off Vhagar one time, quit while you're ahead. That said, Greens shouldn't see this as a win either because 1 for 1 trading dragons won't do anything for them when you crunch the numbers.
@@SR-zv5ue Yes, but in the books the Blacks weren't expecting Dragons, it was a trap. Same thing here with Vhaegar. Rook's Rest is not worth Meleys lol
My heart actually broke a bit for Aegon when his mother Alicent told him the best he can do is nothing -- meaning he has nothing to offer, no skill, no intelligence, no perceptiveness, no impulse control. In essence, Alicent said that "everything runs as best and as smoothly as it can when you're not involved AT ALL." I know Alicent is going through her own "stuff" (much of it of her own making though). Still, I gasped and said, "Holy shit! WTF, Alicent?" There's tough love and then there's just being a biznitch, y'know? At this point, I'm wondering if she's actually a shittier mother than Cersei. Alicent obviously never realized Aegon's emotional needs, the depths of them, and how a simple word (from the one who he should be loved by and trust the most!) can destroy him. At least Cersei saw Joffrey's faults and encouraged his sense of self worth and spoiled him by telling him he can exaggerate (*ahem* LIE) and do as he likes as king. That would be an interesting video one day: Cersei or Alicent -- who was the worst mother? Anyway, that said, although I felt for Aegon in that specific moment with Alicent, I recovered. He was still a POS. Forcing himself on maids, making his illegitimate CHILDREN fight in the pits, drinking excessively, wanking out the window for whatever reason. Wtf. "Aegon the Window Wanker" should be his sobriquet. Hopefully he gets a mercy kill next episode. (Actor is great though!)
The worst part is that it was just two episodes ago that Alicent was whining to Otto about how the men in the small council undercut her influence over Aegon, and then the MOMENT HE SHOWS UP TO HER GENUINELY ASKING FOR ADVICE AND HER OPINION... she tells him to fuck off? There were so many better ways that interaction could have been handled, but Alicent basically chose the way that is guaranteed to provoke the worst reaction from Aegon
@@JimRFF Yes! She knows things are not as they should be (this war) but she can still do something to help her family. Aegon, the neediest one deep down, finally comes to her, offering her a spot on the wheel, she throws the chance away! I look forward to seeing her reaction next episode, when she sees Aegon. I don't know if he'll be comatose or paralyzed or whatever, but I hope he has a conscious moment with her so that she has to look him in the eye. I want to see her break -- especially if he has to (mercy) die. If she had given him advice (or simply been more kind) in that one crucial moment, he wouldn't be injured/dead. And Crispy and Alicent.. They both failed Aegon TWICE -- first together (his son/heir Jaeherys), then again separately this episode.
@@elektrablacksky I don't get how such a smart guy can be so deluded about this. Biden being senile doesn't mean he has to support Trump. Half the democratic party wants a new leader now.
What failure of Biden's presidency can you point to and say, "This was because of his senility"? Do you think the Afghanistan pullout would've gone differently if Biden had a younger brain? We've got record low unemployment, record high economy, a few years ago everyone was _certain_ there'd be a recession, yet we achieved the mythical "soft landing", lowering inflation without triggering a recession. If Biden is senile, then clearly that senility is no hindrance. A senile president won't destroy the Republic. Trump, a president who tried to undo hundreds of thousands of citizens' votes (saying on live TV that they should stop counting votes on election night when he was temporarily in the lead, trying to steal Georgia, doing the fake elector scheme), will destroy the Republic. It may not be destroyed by 2028, but the fact that someone with such disregard for the democratic process is rewarded with a second term will make future tyrants more likely. The Roman Republic couldn't have gotten a Caesar if Sulla hadn't come before him.
Rhaenyra and her guard coming back still wearing their disguises was fucking cartoonish. Not a huge problem for the episode but a silly visual that reminds of the stupidity of that plot.
to add to that the only thing stupider than the sept meeting is her telling her council about the sept meeting especially when they already undermine her it’s just giving them more ammunition
Rose Leslie didn't have a Scottish accent in GOT. She had a Northern English accent. I think her and Richard Madden must have watched loads of Sharpe to prepare for the role. Graham McTavish from last season is the only other proper Scottish accent I can think of but there's probably been more lesser parts where it's popped up.
@@DannyWonder You do realize there are many accents in Britain? (and pretty sure if you called a Scottish or an Irish person a Brit they would sock you.) That's like saying someone has an American accent, like yeah...which part?
@@milkeyedmouse No, the majority wouldn’t mind lol. And exactly, there are many British accents - Preston is using British as a synonym for English, and Scottish is a British accent. It just doesn’t make sense lol
I don't think Aemond deliberatley burning Aegon was just a vendetta for being laughed at at the brothel. I think the laughing at the brothel was kind of the final drop that made the glas spill. Your big bro always treated you like shit, as a boy and as an adult, all the while being the shittiest person ever. He's not deserving the throne, yet he gets it and is doing a spectacularly terrible job at it. And Aemond is dutiful and all, but he makes a really ugly job at being king, and then Aegon comes to his most vulnerable place and ruins that too, publicly confirming to be just a moron. I think that this is the snapping point. Like "you know what, everyone believes me to be this super evil monster cause I killed Luke, I will be that. I deserve better than being second to this idiot and the realm deserves better than this idiot king." I think, in a way, he is dutiful. Just not to his brother. (Also in the books he is not just the dutiful son all the way, he's quite the ambitious egomaniac)
Each to their own on political views, but Biden not moving in the polls (1:09:41) is totally false. Just a week ago a Democratic internal poll had Trump competitive in Virginia, Colorado and Minnesota, all Dem strongholds. Even aggregated polls show trump up in most competitive states, with Wisconsin 50/50. Regardless I wouldn’t look too much into them anyway, knowing how inaccurate they have been post 2012
To save democracy we must hide the zombies dementia from the public and primaries so nobody can make an informed decision because defeating orange man is so important that people can't be trusted with democracy.
I think Preston's argument is less about Biden literally not moving in polls, and more that the polls haven't moved _a lot_ specifically in response to the bad debate. I think Preston said that _one_ poll had them equal or not moving. But more importantly, we have to dispense with this "each to their own on political views" mentality. Trump said, live on camera election night 2020, when he was in a temporary lead in the count, that they should stop counting the votes. Then he tried to flip Georgia, and the other states he lost with the fake elector schemes. Trump literally tried to just _undo_ hundreds of thousands of citizens' votes. That should disqualify him in the eyes of every citizen. I'm not saying we need to shout and screech at the people who think otherwise, but we should firmly explain to them why they're wrong.
@@coreyander286 I don't think there is an "each to their own" _mentality_ broadly at play at all. I think that speaks to more of the reasonable mentality of weariness debating these things on RU-vid comments sections where the vast majority of other people commenting have not much at all to contribute to the discussion. My close an personal friend Oliverking5428 is right to hesitate to get on a soapbox on this particular comment section. Personally I think the broader and more perennial mentality that's constantly setting these discussions back is the "lesser of two evils" mentality. The unstoppable A-bomb of death to the global order and American democracy that Trump represents and the direness of that situation that should cause a frenzy of support to a documented career sociopath who coldheartedly and pragmatically ignores his own moral positions and flip-flops his political stances even if not especially in instances of mass-killings over the course of five decades of history where American democracy has already grown steadily weaker if not less relevant in deliberate efforts from the federal level. And this man, who has done a real great job trying to prevent this from happening (/s) is now at a stage a stage in his life where dementia is not going to stop developing. The man has never not been shameless with his lack of moral scruples, but now his cognitive capabilities to recognize things consequences or even morality at all are on a terminal decline I'm afraid to say.
they remembered he's supposed to be the kingmaker and retconned the nickname. though I think it kinda works, he's a commonborn dude raised to Hand and leading the army
@@TheYrrp he was already crowned king last season before Cole sacked any castles. Rhaenyra is still alive so the seat is still 'contested', he hasn't really moved any closer to being the more legitimate recognized king compared to Rhaenyra than he was last season
He is common born, so the small folk likes him being in a powerful position as the hand of the king and able to conquer castles in Aegons name. And he was at the coronation
No but if you're a second son of one the Great Houses of the realm trying to make a name for yourself in a royal court from which Valyrian culture has somewhat disseminated from into the Kingdoms' nobility, then it might be useful to read a shit ton of books, y'know? I bet learning Valyrian is just standard part of a high education amongst Westerosi noblemen.
@@PuddingAtheist Honestly I really doubt it. I'm not the most familiar but it doesn't seem like westeros had heavy integration with valyrian culture, I don't expect there to be many books at all in valyrian and given how long it's been since valyria's fall the citadel would've already translated all the books that did come from there. Given that, I just don't agree there's much reasons going for the why and the how seems way sketchier. Why as in, for what purpose, I doubt there's many books outside of the citadel in valyrian, it isn't commonly used on the high council, it doesn't speak like anyone sees it, it isn't used in official documents, it isn't used to communicate, it seems as though nobody aside from targs speak it and finally learning a language isn't a simple commitment so given it seems as though even most noblemen would go significant stretches of their lives without engaging with valyrian, why would they learn it? How as in, nobody speaks it, so how is it going to be common enough to learn, it isn't useful enough to be used consistently so how are people going to remember it and not enough people know it in the first place to keep it from dying even if in the conquerer's era they did know it. Just going off of what I remember from the books and the shows. It's def been awhile though.
Aemond's disdain and envy for his brother has been extremely evident throughout the whole show. Aegon led the childhood bullying against Aemond. Then you have the "if it was me, I would be proud to do my duty" in regards to marrying helaena. And then the moment Aegon was to be crowned, Aemond was like, "IT SHOULD BE ME." After being crowned, Aegon regarded Aemond like his dog who he could sick on his enemies, but clearly still treats him like he used to as we see in the brothel scene. Change in character from the books? Maybe. But it's entirely consistent within the show.
I don't even see what they've done with Aemond (or most other characters) as a departure from the source material. I see it as contextualizing. The book is a dry and somewhat unreliable recounting of historical events. We don't really see most of the context and reasoning behind the decisions and actions taken by the characters in Fire and Blood.
Well I'm pretty curious as to how Aemond and Daemon are gonna keep fighting for their respective monarchs and eventually kill each other over this when this episode just told us Aemond wants to burn Aegon and Daemon wants to behead his wife.
@@MarkHogan994 I don't think Daemon wants to do that, especially after seeing him tear up at seeing Rhaenyra metaphorically suffering because of him in last episode's vision. Last time I checked, he hasn't beheaded Rhaenyra after having many such heated exchanges with her. If anything, these visions show his guilt over what he subconciously believes to be him messing up Rhaenyra's life or childhood for his own gain. He lashed out in a dream because the truth hurt. As for Aemond, I don't see why he wouldn't accept Daemon's challenge in the end. I know Preston sees Aemond and Daemon in the book as "dutiful" but I don't necessarily. They want to prove themselves as the second sons and they do, often. Keep in mind, Aemond is the Prince Regent throughout the entire thing after Rook's Rest. He's in charge. If he's fighting for anyone, it's himself. In the book, we're left to assume that Daemon challenges Aemond because Rhaenyra has more or less proclaimed him a traitor for not giving up Nettles, while Aemond accepts the challenge because that's who Aemond is. He's prideful and enjoys the challenge. That's my interpretation anyway and I think the show versions line up pretty well with that so far.
@@AVerySillySausage Yup, it even makes you wonder why they even needed Helaena to tell them which was the boy. Just check their pants (as weird as that suggestion sounds). I suppose they didn't want to risk them waking up. That's the only way I can rationalize it.
@@MarkHogan994 They don't need to. They are still in each others way, even if they would prefer to take the throne for themselves. They are fighting over who has the unmatched biggest baddest dragon in the land, that's it...
How are you saying he attacked his brother over the whore house stuff… it’s built up over his life / jealousy for the crown / his bros incompetence… weirded take sometimes
They attempted to paint Rhaenys as someone who was against war from episode one when she comments at the tournament on how they crave blood and welcome war. She had an opportunity to snuff out all of the usurpers as their treason was occurring and she passed. She may have felt guilty that she had the power to prevent widespread bloodshed and failed. I believe if she could take out Aemon someone who was responsible for killing her supposed grandson and wound or kill Vaghar would lessen the bloodshed. It becomes like a question Tywin Lannister asks Tyrion to "explain why it's more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner". It was not exactly a dinner but killing a dozen would have the same effect of saving thousands upon thousands of lives. She may have felt it is still early enough to prevent the death of the masses and the dragons as well.
Hi Preston. I’m just curious how would you feel about Vhagar being the reason for Aemond’s shift in behavior towards Aegon? The bond between a warg and direwolf is intimate to the point the warg can lose themselves to the beast. Wouldn’t that be the same case for the Targaryens and their dragons? We’ve seen before Aemond cannot complete control Vhagar. She was probably thinking “you woke the dragon to k*ll my kin so feel my wrath”.
Why was Rhaenyra reasoning to go herself but telling Jace that he cannot go because he is inexperienced. When did Rhaenyra get any kind of battle experience???
Idk about battle but she was a pretty competent rider, I think Daemon mentions it in season 1 that young Rhaenyra is pretty formidable and skilled as a rider (albiet that’s different than dragon warfare)
Also if anything happens to Jace, the next in line is Joffrey who is a little boy and also the heir to driftmark. If Rhaenyra dies, there’s a decent succession plan but if Jace dies then things get more chaotic. Could also be part of it.
He didn’t even go through with it even thought he could have! Same with everything he could have done so much they just don’t want to mess up the status quo. And under the umbrella Trump is worse (which he’s) they excuse everything.
It’s possible Rhaenys went with Baelon to get revenge on the people who killed her father. The histories say Baelon went by himself but it makes sense the historians would down play any role a woman especially a semi young princess who was the daughter to a beloved Prince and heir. She also could’ve accompanied The Sea Snake on one of his adventures etc
Nah, aemmond was slowly showing his discontent towards the king along the season. Hes been hanging around criston cole and that made him equally hateful. Its not the brothel thing, is everything since his coronation, aemmond is tempted by the opportunity
Rose Leslie's accent for Ygritte is a Northern English accent so it's the same as the Starks. IRL she doesnt even have a Scottish accent cause she is rich and posh af
Isaiah 34:14 "The screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest". This verse is a reference to Lilith, Adam's first wife and a primordial she devil, who was expelled from Eden for seeking sexual knowledge and freedom.
Regarding Rhaenys telling Meleys that they're off to battle again. In ep 1 Rhaenys said they were patrolling the sea for the blockade. Maybe she had some small skirmishes during that.
Don't mind what they did with aemon. Actually really liked it. Now that his brothers son is dead he probably thinks himself heir. He has always expressed that he is more qualified, so he saw a chance and took it. Just a political backstab, which I like.
I think it's very easy to tell if someone is good or bad at a language you don't know. Even without subtitles you could easily tell from Aegon's face that he's floundering with his words.
Let’s remember that canonically Aemond wanted to use Aegon as bait during Rooks rest. He was perfectly fine if Aegon ended up a chew toy for Meleys. Thats canon in the book and show. Him “accidentally” flaming Aegon in the book is very questionable since he knew Aegon was disposable from the start. He didn’t care if Meleys flamed Aegon… but he suddenly cares if he can flame Aegon while also getting a shot at Meleys?
Luke was a child in every word of the meaning. Aegon was the ring leader for his bullying and is a full adult. Kin-slaying probably gets easier each time.
I don't think Aemond is 180 degrees changed , he is constantly trying to distinguish himself from his brother, he clearly hates him , and taking an opportunity to kill him during a battle , and crowning himself on the way , seem very reasonable action from him
Wait did I miss something in the books? Outside of the maesters quite literally no one else in the show/books speaks high Valyrian in Westeros, it's not even a common language in Essos if I remember correctly.
Maybe Aemond felt like he had to kill Aegon, because he fears that his brothers impulsiveness and bad decision making, in combination with potentially actually enforcing his commanding power as the King, especially after the last council meeting, will lead them to lose this war? Maybe he told himself, that he has to this or they are doomed as a result of the kings incompetence. Why not let Rhaenys finish do the job then? He was most likely waiting for them to be distracted by combat to then easily kill two birds with one... bigger bird, instead of taking any chances. I guess you could also argue, that he 1: just grew impatient, wanted to see whats going on and decided to kill both of them on the fly 2: Didnt want to take any chances of either of them fleeing 3: He wanted to ensure that he is the one to kill Rhaenys
Do you think that Alys gave Daemon weirwood paste/shadow of the evening while he was restless? Could it be a way to connect him with the heavy heavy imagery of the greenmen in Harrenhall?
During the council scene where aemond speaks high valyrian i got the impression that the other dudes on the council at least somewhat understood it, because when aemond was finished they turned a bit towards aegon as if waiting for a response. Like maybe they got the gist of it, but not every word? Idk. I agree it was a bit odd
@2:18:00 It's crazy how I was just watching that clip of John Lennon/Chuck Berry yesterday and then you guys brought it up today. The clip with Bill Burr commentary is the best one.
Yeah I mean I studied Latin for 3 years in school but that doesn't mean I'd fully understand it when spoken at full speed by a fluent speaker using fancy words.
@@MarkHogan994 I took a few years of French and can't speak fluently at all. If I hear something in French, it's often too fast for me to make out individual words. Plus, the sentence structure I can understand is verrrry basic. On occasion, I'll get the gist. More often than not, I'll hear a familiar common noun or adjective. ...Subtitles for movies make it a little easier. And I envy that you got the chance to study Latin! I've always wanted to myself. I'm into biology and it drives me CRAZY when I don't know how to properly pronounce, for example, a species's name (or one of the broader taxonomic ranks of DKPCOFGS). I'm teaching my daughter the periodic table and the human skeleton for fun this summer. A background in Latin would allow for me to give a more expensive (and therefore more memorable!) "story" behind certain bones and atomic symbols. So I'll have to just look them up myself. (Yes, I'm a nerd 🤷🏻♀️)
@@MarkHogan994 lol ikr. Like maybe the Maester is fluent, which woulda been a cool touch, but to think goddamn Tyland Lannister is fluent in high Valyrian is wild lol
22:35 ...as far as we know...remember the book is a historical compilation written by the victors which was told by people who werent there...the way i see every change is that this is the true event and what we got in the book was what was told to the council or how they chose to see it and write it...grrm is consulted for everything they write...the part that irks me is that back in game of thrones he didnt have veto power so even if he was consulted if he didn't want something to happen he couldnt tell them not to do it...but that was GoT...donno what his power in this is but hes clearly consulted..no reason to believe its not canon since there is no solid canon yet
I always looked at the gold melting thing as some sort of stab at the quality of dothraki gold, suggesting theyre dumb and are wearing like rose gold, or gold plated lead, or some other alloy
Rose Leslie's accent in the show was northern English, specifically Yorkshire, I.e like Sean Bean's accent. She actually has a very "posh" English accent in real life. As far as I can remember, this is the first Scottish accent we've heard in either show so far.
As a German… Plattdeutsch is a dialect, and there are many dialects in Germany and German speaking nations like Switzerland and Austria or even parts of other nations like Denmark and Netherlands! Plattdeutsch or simply Platt is what is commonly spoken in the far north of Germany. Hochdeutsch on the other hand is the German language absent of any regional dialect like Platt, Bavarian, Kölsch, etc
Just because he wasnt "at fault" for laena's death doesnt mean he cant be haunted by it. I imagine theres very few things as traumatizing as a spouse dying (albeit he did smash his first wife's head in with a rock lol). Maybe he feels bad that he did a shitty job as a father following her death? Idk.
Missed the live stream but: do you think Aemond will marry Helena now? Would make sense if he’s taking the crown, he’s unmarried, preserves the line, produces a new male heir…
Glad you talked about Rhaenys not having seen any actual work dragon fight action before. When Rhaenyra said to Jace "You have no experience!" when he wanted to fly out, I was scratching my head, wondering how Rhaenyra brought any more dragon fighting experience to the table! 🤔
Just finished the episode before I watch the stream, another great offering, highlights...the Rooks Rest battle of course closely followed by Aemond & Aegon's battle of words in Valerian 😂
Alicent straight up knows her son is a rapist and told him last season that he's no son of hers, plus she knows he bullied Aemond as a child. Alicent not liking/loving Aegon has been apparent for quite awhile now. Has Preston ever rewatched S1?
There's rumors that Aemond might be the father of Healanas kids in the book so I wouldn't necessarily say the source material wants you to believe he's 100% dutiful. Also not only didn't Aegon straight up embarrass Aemond in a sensitive moment he's not a good war time king at all, so the show making it appear as though he wants to replace him isn't out of left field. Are we also forgetting that Aegon has been bullying Aemond since they were children in the show. I've got four brothers myself, my youngest brother 100% hates my older brother because he was bullied by him so maybe that's why this isn't shocking to me at all.
That is definitely a bit of a stretch, though they are surprisingly close to one another. I think it goes High German => Low German => Frisian => English...
Rodrick Cassel's actor is Scottish and did the audio book for Fevre Dream with his original accent. It's wild how well it works to have a thick Scottish accent impersonating people from the American South.
I don’t think Aemond turned into a kin slayer because of the brothel comment. It was a slow burn. He thinks he should be on the throne instead, his brother didn’t even want it and doesn’t care that much about their history and culture. Aemond has been bullied for most of his life and not even getting Vhaeghar changed that. I also don’t think it’s something that the history books would have registered.
Baella has already charged Cole once in her own. If Rhaenys could end Vhagar in this battle her actual family(Corlys and the girls) are safe. I thunk that's what she was thinking.
You got hard stuck on the Aemond character change.. as a nonbook reader, I got stuck on Aegon's plot armor.. Direct Vahgar dracarys and a sky fall bro still breathes
Aemond in the books doesn't seem to like his brother either (though he's still pretty loyal) When he gets appointed to be regent he says that the crown looks better on him
i know what you mean with the scottish accents...usally all the dwarfs have to have one in fantasy. but in this case, i mean scots/picts literally were "the guys north of the wall"
Its not about the brothel he's mostly super ambitious AND Aegon is kinda useless. You can see Aemond go from "wtf is he doing here" to "hey wait this could be good" when he's on the ground with Vhagar and his eye twitches a little. Like just a little blink to notify the moment he had that idea. I dont think he was gonna mercy kill him either but that could be interpretated the other way, idk if he's drawing his sword or sheathing it back but looks like sheathing back.
i dont agree with everything preston says politically but i doesnt mean im not going to listen to his points and its not going to make me not like him! i can still enjoy all his videos just the same! different corses for different horses folks
On Cristons ethnicity: It has already been mentioned that it was implied that he was "half" Dornish, but that's actually not relevant. If you look at historic informations we have, ethnicity was far less of an issue in the "olden times". We read about battles of France vs. England, or Denmark vs. Poland, but that was just the _flag_ they were fighting for. The people in the ranks would quite often just follow the leader that suited them best. There was no nationalism involved. Is it a bit unconventional that somebody from Catalonia fights for the Black Prince at Crecy? Sure, but by no means it's weird...
6:50 they straight up think Maesters are just healers on this show because in another scene the guy is mocking the maester asking to see the link on his chain for Warfare and I'm like...Lewin had a link for Warfare, the Grand Maester definitely has a link for Warfare it is something that they study at the Citadel.
Are you sure? I looked it up, and found no chain link to represent warfare - remember that Valyrian Steel is for "Higher Mysteries". Also, even if there is, it's just "book smarts", and no general irl would take a guy seriously who has only "studied" at university...
@@cinematicbeauty2194 Hm, cannot find a reference in the wiki tbh. Also, I cannot recall from the books that any maester was involved in warfare at any point - so they would not be the only one....
High German vs. regional dialects. "Plattdeutsch" is one of these regional dialects. It can be argued that it is already its own language. Bavarian and Allemanic dialects (incl. Austria, Soth Tyrol (mostly B some A), Switzerland, Liechtenstein (both A)) are spoken in the Alps; including Austrian and Swiss High German! Few differences to FRG high German. So High German is a standrad language for everyone and is menat the same way as high Valyrian.
Carmine, just on your point about Chuck Berry. Did John ever say he didn’t like Yoko screeching during the performance? Maybe they all laughed about it after the camera was off?
1000% possible but if I knew my spouse was on stage with their idol I'd give them some space and them her enjoy that moment instead of trying to make it about me or us.
