House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 4 Discussion w/ Fantasy Haven 

There’s something very cinematic about a live stream beginning with the words “Are you live?”

12:49 When the three king's guard go to leave the room, and the two walk into each other - I died. Agreed, this season's humor is incredible.

I loved Aegon’s housecat energy as he pushed that pitcher off the table. Also reminded me of him saying “I have dared. I found it stimulating”

“Putting your frat mates on the Kingsguard.” How dare you not refer to the Aegoons by their proper title?

Sunfyre and Aegon’s bond reminds me of Rhaena and Dreamfyre and how Rhaena became a more confident person through her dragon bond but where Dreamfyre gave Rhaena assertiveness Sunfyre softens Aegon. I think that’s really sweet and Sunfyre is my new favorite dragon

48:55 you’re telling me Jace is supposed to be 15?? No shot

Muppet Tully

I have been yelling since the release of the first season that they are building space for character change and that all of the characters will fill the space the books portray them as when we get into the actual war itself.

I really like the Muppet Tullys, the Dance of Dragons is a really dark story, especially at the end, so I’ll take any opportunity to have a Laugh and the Tullys in GOT were Muppets so it’s appropriate. Also Quinn is right, GOT is a dark story but funny names, cough Dickon Manwoody cough, have always been used to lighten the mood. I hope Kermit 🐸 shows up, because he is one of the Lads! But if he doesn’t who should replace him?

37:37 It’s Richard III and the only reason Richard is known as a bad guy was because Richard was the last Plantegenet while Shakespeare was a Tudor propagandist. He worked for the usurpers.

I definitely thought of Nettles when I saw the black ram for mild spoilers: Daemon later watches as Nettles sacrifices a black ram to Sheepstealer, kind of implying Nettles might’ve taught him or shown him some blood magic

If I was Aegon I would name Jaehaera heir just to crush Aemond's hopes ans dreams after the little stunt he pulled. I would rather be a hypocrite than reward the guy who backstabbed me with the throne.

The people who are complaining about the changes to the battle don't understand how much more sense it makes that Aegon is alive from this battle. In the books when Meleys and Sunfyre were entangled and Vhagar falls on them. That should have killed both Sunfyre and Aegon. At the very least it should have killed Aegon. But this sequence is so much better where Sunfyre falls from the dragon fire and you can see in that moment when he is falling he tries his damnest hard to not crush Aegon. The way he cradled him around was so beautiful then in the books where Aegon actually fell from the sky and landed on himself. This seemed more logical than the plot armour George RR Martin gave Aegon from the books and it also gives such meaningful power to Sunfyre's bond with Aegon.

There are a couple of scenes in ASOIAF where I swear the entire Justice League International shows up, never mind the Muppets. They don’t fly in, but the banners have sigils including Black Canaries, Green Arrows, Blue Beetles, Red Tornadoes, etc… I think Brienne has an old shield repainted for her use that previously had an image suspiciously similar to Batman’s symbol. George is a comics fan from way back. For all I know, he may have some Avengers (Stark?) planted throughout the tale…

Aegon is the best character in the series

Spoiler Question: Would it "break" the story or plot if they were to have the Black's take Kings Landing in the season finale? And then move the Battle of the Gullet to after that. Since it'll be in season 3 anyway

I feel like Rhaenys didn't flee because she knew she couldn't escape Vhagar. In the season 1 finale Luke couldn't escape Vhagar in much more advantageous terrain with a much smaller faster dragon. And as you said she also had the chance to kill both the king and the heir in the FIRST BATTLE of the war basically ending it immediately with minimal destruction even if she dies.

The scene with Jace highlights my whole problem with the Aegon's Dream thing. Why isn't EVERY Targaryen taught this from birth? The whole kign to heir thing is idiotic considering it only took one generation for them to have succession conflict. Jahaerys had 13 kids, including 6 sons and NONE of them inherited the throne. At this point there has been only one succession without some sort of controversy (Aegon to Aenys). It's a Medieval world where life is cheap and princes get killed in battle. The idea that anyone believes this secret will continue to be passed down by only having two people at a time know about it is ludicrous. Hell, Viserys never told Daemon despite him being heir presumptive for years.

“Why can’t this be for a throne alone?” Idk because that’s like one of the biggest themes of asoiaf? The horrors and senselessness of war?

Tully's should have red hair

Did they remove Elmo and Kermit Tully? In the show Oscar Tully says he’s the grandson of Grover Tully and his heir. In the books that role is filled by Elmo. Elmo has two sons, Kermit and Oscar. So Oscar is the great grandson of Grover and only third in line

Not only did they bring Laena into that scene, but it was the younger version of her that he danced with at Rhaenyra & Laenor’s wedding.

Saint Elmo's Fire actually causes the name "Elmo" to be most appropriate in a medieval context.

Best episode yet we finally got rid of that nagging war criminal

Daemon with Aemond cosplay is like any fusion of dragonball lmao

Every time Measter Geradys speaks, I have to resist the urge to shout "Parklife!".

Awesome stuff guys thank you for the amazing content!

my fav part of the episode wasn’t the battle, but the harrenhal scenes. old gods magic and trippy visuals? my kind of stuff fr

The Witch is like one of the best horror movies AND it has some GOT actors in there.

I love Haven's muppet Kermit voice. It makes me smile every time. 😺

1:07:16 Every Frey Explained coming 2024 confirmed!

Clearly when, in the show, Jojen was blown up, his body was sent back in time and then turned into paste.

Gotta disagree on the Kingmaker bit. I think it would be much better to have given him a bigger role in the scheming and manipulation of Aegon. Now it just feels like a consolation prize

I could see them technically keeping Elmo Tully and just changing his name to Elmer

I am really enjoying Deamons harrenhall escapades. They guy is on a whole trip haunting here and haunting there. Would have loved to see a really intense vision whit Viserys

1:31:25 even if Jaeheara was to be recognized as Aegon's heir Aemond could still easily be Prince Regent. Only other person who could assume the regency is Alicent and perhaps Helaena. 1:33:20 Maybe Helaena after the Blacks take King's Landing? Doesn't seem very in character with her portrayal so far though.

😂😂 my head canon is if mushroom said it it did not happen

im reading the blog of george and he said that dragons are beasts, intelligent but beast half tamed. and he explain the origin of dragons in WINDS OF WINTERS maybe im wrong but all the talk about "cute dog dragons" IS IMPORTANT

There was a Richard IV in Blackadder...

That Lamprey pie joke was very dirty for Alicent! Lampreys are shaped like 🤐😂😂😂 and she drinks moontea from and over indulgence 🤣🤣🤣

Would it be considered treason, or at least tip Otto's hand to his plans, if he "raised Aegon to be king"? Aegon is like... 6th in the line of Succession? 8th? Under non treasonous circumstances, why would you imagine he'd need to prepare to be king? And it's not like you could hide these preparations. As far as Alicent, she didn't back Aegon to be king until her husband died so, again, why prepare her son before that?

Fear and loathing in harrenhall!

I didn't like How Meleys basically flew into a position where She could get easyly chomp; and she got the Arrax treatment. Yes, I ready Fire and Blood. And I've always imagine that Vaghar would have ended the fight by diving down on Sunfire and Meleys

The Alys Rivers actress is OBVIOUSLY Scottish.

1:29:00 the german is not bad

Love the Muppet Tullys! Especially as every one of those names is a legitimate name. Unfortunately, some of them had fallen out of fashion in modern times. But don’t forget we had a Kermit Roosevelt living in the White House at one time. And Elmo is not that crazy of a name that it couldn’t be used.

Ive been asking people all season if they can figure out who Adam and Alyn and nobody i know has figured it out. Even after this episode... In which im finally telling people because they are dumb apparently

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“Biden moment” LMAO

do u think they purged the muppet tullies because of copyright reasons?

So nice just listening to you guys talk about the show and GOT universe and not hearing Preston Jacob’s cry about Trump and how the republicans will be the end of the world lol

In the book, don’t Sunfyre, Meleys, Rhaenys, and Aegon all fall together, with Meleys dead, Sunfyre and Aegon grievously injured, and a burned corpse beyond recognition, assumed to be Rhaenys, beside them? Clearly, Aegon was the corpse and Rhaenys just pretended to be Aegon.

So who isn't inexperienced? As far as we know only Daemon and Laenor have ridden dragons into war at this point and that was against conventional troops. No one has been in a dragon vs dragon battle unless you count the Aemond /Lucerys curb stomp. Are we to believe that Rhaenys, a princess, has any sort of battle experience? Jace, at least got the military training most noble boys get.

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GIRLFRIEND?! 😭

I just wanna say I really appreciated Lord Darklyn spitting at Cole and saying what everyone was thinking

I was waiting for 2/10 to be a joke, but for real? That’s just having an axe to grind for personal pet peaves.

I actually agree with you about purging the muppets. I'm not a book reader so maybe that's why I feel this way? but those names seem a bit too silly for me.

My choice not to re-read F&B for this season is paying off. I have been thoroughly enjoying every episode while book purists are wailing and gnashing their teeth because the show isn't exactly as they imagined. But you know what? This is not my vision, it's someone else's! And when you accept that and appreciate the show for itself, it is phenomenal.

HotD is book prestory! Not GoT prestory! I am by this point 100% sure that ASoIaF will be remade once the books are done... Well if the books are done 😂

Nah, all the sites are calling this a masterpiece and the vast majority of viewers agree. You guys are in the minority liking episode 2 more. Just how it is.