How a Lone US Sub Destroyed Japan's Most Important Ship in WW2 

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I would not call a heavily pay-to-win game "free". It is free only to download, then all the addicting mechanisms begin their work and make you pay far more than you would for a normal pay2play game.

I don’t like it it took forever for me to get a new warship

and the first aircraft carrier is so hard to control

​@HeisenbergTheOG literally no videos on your channel

Pykrete*

who is this refrencing again?

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@HeisenbergTheOG Lol, no one cares 😂

Zuikaku could've participated at Midway if Japanese doctrine wasn't so strict. Shokaku still had more of her air wing, but Japan's navy had a "one crew, one ship" ideology that prevented mixing up air groups in the event a ship was lost. This made them inflexible unlike the U.S. navy where carrier pilots could land on any flat top if needed. Yorktown's surviving pilots took off from Enterprise at Midway when the carrier herself was lost.

​@@fighter5583Zuikaku: *Gets badly damaged* Akagi: *Angery Foxgirl noises*

@@M4A1BestGirlOr smugly and arrogantly teasing her juniors for being damaged, and telling them to watch and learn, only to get rekket in the next battle 4-1.

@@fighter5583this supposed doctrine went right out the window after the 4 main carriers sunk. Also, instead of putting it on doctrine it was simply a flawed battle plan. The US Naval War College already did in depth analysis and stated the IJN didn’t properly use its surface ships. Had they done so there were all kinds of potential combinations that could have had Carrier Zuikaku at Midway loaded with fighter planes to provide CAP. The IJN had plenty of pilots and A6M’s. The IJN had over 1,500 pilots in their program at the start of the war. They certainly didn’t lose very many in the 5-6 months leading up to Midway.

@f430ferrari5 They had plenty of pilots sure, but they didn't rotate them out as much as they should have. Most of the experienced pilots Japan had stayed on the front lines until they were eventually shot out of the sky. And their pilot training program to replace the lost expertise wasn't good enough to sustain the losses they kept incurring. The carrier battle of the Philippines Sea was proof of that.

This was entirely due to crew experience. Everyone knew that Shokaku was the far better design.

@@bkjeong4302Especially since Akagi was a conversion, Shokaku purpose built. Conversions were always compromises that would never be as good at their intended role as something specifically built for it. That’s why even if ships like Saratoga or Shinano were big they often had small air groups, trouble with machinery, and limited capacity for upgrades as the war went on.

@@wolftamer5463 Not only was Shokaku purpose-built, the Japanese actually intended her to be the carrier equivalent of Yamato, and both Shokakus were built at the same time as Yamato and Musashi. The limited amount of infrastructure (mostly the number of large enough drydocks) meant that Japan couldn’t build large numbers of capital ships, so they decided to go for quality instead in the late 30s, and not just with their new battleships (though they partially abandoned this idea for the carriers and began a massive carrier fleet expansion program even before PH, relying on small, new designs that could be built in smaller, more numerous drydocks). The Shokakus were thus designed explicitly as “supercarriers”, a massive quantum leap ahead from the smaller and/or less efficient earlier Japanese carriers and intended to outmatch enemy carriers individually. As with the Yamatos (design-wise) the Japanese came insanely close but not quite to getting everything they wanted out of the Shokakus, mostly for factors that had little to do with the ships’ design. The big one was aircraft design-the Shokakus actually had more hangar space than any other carrier of the end-30s and could thus carry a lot more aircraft in theory, but Japanese folding wing designs didn’t fold as tight as American equivalents, meaning that the Shokakus ended up with slightly smaller air wings than the Yorktowns in spite of having a lot more aircraft capacity, which wasn’t helped by the Japanese not using deck parking (though even then it was quite close). In terms of speed and durability, though, the Shokakus delivered on their promises (especially considering that all the American dive-bomber hits that damaged Shokaku over her career had much higher payloads than any of the Japanese dive-bomber hits on any of the Yorktowns). Definitely the most fearsome Axis vessels of the war and not to be taken lightly, at least not until pilot attrition had caught up with them.

Yes we took out the japppppppp war criminals

@@bkjeong4302 you say Japan wasn’t capable of building large quantities of capital ships but at the time of Midway, the IJN brought: 11 battleships Had 9 carriers available. All used for Midway/Aleutians except Zuikaku. 22 cruisers 64 destroyers And more importantly, around 12-16 fleet oilers. The US brought to Point Luck 3 carriers with Yorktown damaged, 8 cruisers and 15 destroyers. That’s it. Think they had one fleet oiler. Want to discuss the US lack of fleet oilers in 1942. Nah you wouldn’t want to do that. 😂

Which is a piss poor excuse for lazy film making. For “Tora! Tora! Tora!”, made over 30 years earlier, the built a 1.1 scale replica of Akagi’s bridge and flight deck (as well as Nagato’s starboard side), and made models of all the other Japanese carriers. “Pearl Harbor” had the advantage of CGI and a larger budget (114 million and 140 million adjusted for 2001 inflation) and yet they still settled for using modern warships and Essex class carriers for everything but the American battleships.

​@@sirboomsalot4902labor cost more than what it was 30 years ago, so we stopped using replicas of that scale

@@sirboomsalot4902 I read that as he saved tens to hundred millions of dollars by not building his own, seems smarter than lazy

​@@triadwarfareyea because actors need the money more than actual working people. I completely forgot about the world we live in.

​@@tamisthewizard3199is not really smart, more like greedy. I bet the actual workers and laborers don't get paid more than 50k a year or anywhere near 100k

Her meat shield.

Zuikaku actually proved quite difficult to put down at Cape Engano in spite of being combat-ineffective even from the start of the battle, soaking up quite a bit of damage before sinking (in spite of the fact she was the main focus of the American attacks for obvious reasons). Not too surprising given that the Shokakus were intended to be Japan’s carrier counterparts of the Yamatos.

@@bkjeong4302 That being said, i still view Cape Engano as a missed opportunity for Halsey, Mitscher and Ozawa to have a one on one carrier duel with Zuikaku vs Enterprise.

@@ph89787 That would have been fun. Impractical and pointless, but fun.

@@bkjeong4302 yeah but in the words of Captain Raymond Holt. “Who wouldn’t want to see a man fight a crocodile.”

Japanese work addicts would fix it back in half day

​@@aran5033 nah most of their aircraft carriers sunk with the first bombs being dropped unlike the americans, this is thanks to more standardization on the american side and aggressive tactics used on the japanese which often means lack of defence like good deck armour and poorer damage control compared to the allied side

yea japan used WOODEN runways on their carriers - probably not the best decision in hindsight LOL

@@aran5033 half an hour.

​@@Zam_manmost America carriers prior to the Essex had unarmed flight decks.

And let's talk about Taihou, sunk by single torpedo from the sub USS Albacore (she fired three but two missed) thanks to utterly botched damage control measures that led to a massive fuel-air explosion. Japanese carriers had no luck with US subs, that's for sure. From the title of the video, I thought it was going to be about Taihou.

The Barb is still better.

Shinano was not a real carrier yet. She had no shakedowns and she didn't even have bulkheads installed which made her easy to sink. She was serving as an aircraft ferry until final refitting. So when she was sunk she was an oversized/overrated aircraft ferry, not a real aircraft carrier. As for Taiho she was poorly manufactured unlike Shokaku and Zuikaku. At least Shokaku had to take 3 or 4 torpedoes from Cavalla to get sunk. Pretty sad that Taiho was sunk with only 1 torpedo.

And both vessels make for a fantastic tour.

@@LeftyWriterTx Just a heads up to anybody if they want to see Stewart's engines (very unique because the U.S. has only two destroyer escorts left, Stewart and Slater) they should ask for the hard hat tour that is only available 3 days a week. They should plan accordingly and make some phone calls to check.

They were certainly the best CV designs the IJN had. Still exhibited a flummoxing combination of closed, side-armored hangars with no deck armor above, which kind of defeats either purpose. However they did prove that, despite this, and unlike the other four CV's of Kido Butai, they could take punches and live to fight another day. On the whole the Yorktowns were better ships, though at least up to and through Midway the skills of their air wings couldn't compete with the IJN's (which I'd expect adds more to the reputation than the ships - all the IJN wings at that point were crammed full of combat experience and discipine. Plus the A6M was still considered something of a super-fighter).

No one reference azur lane

USS-Cavalla to Shokaku: SURPISE

@@blacklake13 It’s debatable if the Yorktowns were better ships overall; they had a slightly larger air wing, but this was down to aircraft design and the use of deck parking (the Shokakus actually had more hangar space). In terms of durability it’s a wash (better ventilation vs. Better protection against torpedoes and more reserve buoyancy) and the Japanese carriers were also a bit faster.

To be fair, the US Navy did have an opportunity to build the Yorktowns up to 27,000 tonnes under the Washington Naval Treaty. If the US Navy wanted to go for quality vs quantity like the IJN did. @@bkjeong4302

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@@shadowling77777 what does that mean?

@@user-op8fg3ny3j in world of warcraft saying LOL on hordeside translates to Kek alliance side. Apparently now there is also a reference to an Egyptian god and the alt-right or something, so outside of wow, I'm not sure.

@@ironfist7789 WOWs means World of Warships though, not World of Warcraft

@@user-op8fg3ny3j it can for some people, but world of warcraft has been called wow since 2004 or whatever... warships says 2015

Saw that in Kancolle anime tho.

I was wondering how long it'd take to find another admiral from Azur Lane.

*Laugh in KanColle*

@@yoseipilot Ya know, I keep forgetting Kancolle exists

@@apollyonkurze3211 There’s no denying that first original exist

@@yoseipilot Oh, I know. I'm not denying that it exists.

Thats the sting that always remains. Being trapped in a doomed leviathan....

I feel nothing but joy at IJN losses. Screw them.

I have no sympathy for the IJN, not after the horrific crimes that they did.

​​​@@mauldalorian4725I am familiar with atrocities of the IJA, but not so much of the IJN. Could you provide some examples (besides the Attack on Pearl Harbor)? And if possible, those done in particular by the crew of the Shokaku?

@@paleoph6168 How about... ummm... pearl harbor? The murder of Bruno Gaido and his pilot after torturing them? The various invasions of the south Asian islands where the navy landed and took prisoners and did everything the IJA did including murder, rape, and torture? Look up the stories of the Dutch and English who were taken prisoner by the IJN.

They poked the Dragon, and wiped a lot.

They thought the bear would come anyway and hitting it hard enough might keep it from striking back. There is some merit to that idea and the did cripple the pacific fleet's conventional offensive arm by taking out eight battleships, at least for the immediate future. A more conventionally minded nation whose leadership was war-shy might have just taken the L, but FDR was looking for an excuse to throw down AND if there are two things Americans are good at doing it's ignoring conventional wisdom and improvising.

The Nemesis Carriers.

Plus, a big growing population to supply your dying pilots. Immigration to Japan is nothing compared to America

it really did not help japan at all that they started teaching their pilots to ram their planes at enemy ships

Do you mean spread fear in the Allies or something?

@@wolftamer5463 due to advance of the shi

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@@ansettwise0005 I am not an Admiral but i do like watching both shows BTW.

Flight Deck C H E S T

​@@snitchpogi1277Watch kancolle S1 eps 6 the curry competition bro

Ahh yes. Shokaku reminds me of that one guy who revealed his waifu in public

Ay, nice seeing you here. I believe I've seen you in the comment sections of the channel Riamus and his paleo media content. I guess people with an interest in the prehistoric past also can be interested in human history.

So they are the absolute best instead

The Shokaku sisters definitely had far better battle history than the Yamato. Yamato feels like the Japanese navy flex at engineering and feel more like a religious figure for the Japanese navy. The Shokakus definitely deserved the title of the strongest Japanese ships than Yamato, all Yamato was just "haha big battleship".

@@rokusai11 The Japanese never actually hyped Yamato up as this “religious figure” until after the war, contrary to what you seem to believe; this idea of her being this gigantic pointless propaganda piece is a falsehood, not because she wasn’t pointless (she was), but because she was never used for propaganda value. Yamato was actually kept under secrecy the whole time and was NEVER supposed to be taken seriously (the idea being that the Americans would also have no idea how capable she was if it was a secret-and the USN indeed didn’t realize it until almost at the end of the war, and it wasn’t until after she’d already been sunk that they confirmed their suspicions). The ACTUAL “religious figure” and symbol of the IJN was the much older and far less capable Nagato. Also, it should be noted this “haha big dumb Yamato” narrative is based on a major case of double standards; the reason she was useless and did basically nothing (or rather, nothing that could ever have justified her existence) was because the entire battleship concept was obsolete by that time, which applies to Allied battleships built around the same time as well; in fact, I’d argue as few as two out of the 29 WWII-era battleships ever managed to NOT be a complete strategic disaster. Yet in the popular narrative, Yamato is the only one of the lot who gets criticized for being a gigantic waste of resources.

​@@bkjeong4302That's true. Very few people were even aware that the Yamato's existed at all. The Americans thought the newest Japanese battleships were significantly smaller than they actually were, and had next to no knowledge of Shinano. Even the sailors and admirals on the ships themselves didn't know the ship's own specifications. As far as being useless, fast battleships could still be useful as escorts and add their AA to the carriers, and pull away enemy bombers from the more vulnerable carriers like when Japanese diver bombers went after the Sodak at Santa Cruz Islands instead of the crippled Enterprise. Even slower battleships could still be used for shore bombardment and convoy escort, both very common missions that are unglamorous but necessary and a battleship would be just as or more effective than a cruiser in. Ultimately, a ship cannot be judged based on just one or two major actions, but the overall strategy. And there were many things battleships could still be good at. They still had the intimidation factor and "fleet in being" concept to hold the line when carriers were running low and cruisers and destroyers might not have the firepower. For more comprehensive overviews on this stuff, check out Drachinifel. He has good talks about battleships like in his Myths and misconceptions video and shore bombardment video.

we sank 2 of their carriers with submarines too

Japanese government be like:

@@TheGhostFart4 if you count Shinano and Unryu

Yeah, I got that skin too: really weird. But AA at Shokaku's tier eats the paper planes

I hate boatwrap 🤦🏼🙅🏼

coral sea: got three bombs santa cruz: 6 bombs.. i can live.. philippine sea: 3 torpedo hits and a plane just exploded, guess ill die..

I see you are an Admiral of culture as well

You probably play Azur Lane

ngl, Shoukaku & Zuikaku are my no. 1 favorite ships. And thank to a certain game about anthropomorphic ships, I got obsessed with those 2 ships.

I see you are Teitoku culture as well

@@komkitty6571 Zuikaku is my fave IJN carrier.

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For me I watched them From The History Channels and Documentaries :D, Love Both Shoukakus.

@@CaptRexSkyEye118 i used to watch Battle 360 Enterprise to know a bit about them as well, lol

I already know Shoukaku sisters from game Pacific Front 1942 before I'm into their anime version

@@cardiv5zuikaku944 Battle 360 was back then History Channel was not about aliens.

That's my girl ❤

Unholy numbers of casualties can be caused on big ships. Some of the worst would have only a few hundred or less out of more than 2,000. The deadliest sinking of all time was the SS Wilhelm Gustloff in the Baltic Sea. It was evacuating civilians from eastern Prussia when the Red Army was closing in, and was overcrowded far beyond capacity. A Soviet submarine torpedoed it, and all of those people met the freezing mid-winter ocean. Nearly 10,000 people died.

Similar thing happened at Guadalcanal when submarine I-19 sank USS Wasp (CV-7) with three type 95 torpedoes.

Cavalla, WWII-wise, did far more than the famous Missouri. Cavalla actually sank a fleet carrier! Missouri sank nothing.

How about the "Grey Ghost" USS Enterprise?

Shinano was originally supposed to be a battleship but was quickly converted to a support carrier after their losses in Midway only for her to get ripped apart by a US submarine before she even got planes.

@@TheGhostFart At that point it didn't really matter, there weren't enough good pilots left for any IJN aircraft carrier to matter.

Shinano was big and heavy, but it was a conversion rather than purpose built. I think the original intention was to use that ship to ferry fighters to the real carriers.

@@richardthomas5362 Yep. Shinano was originally supposed to be the 3rd Yamato-class battleship, but after either the Battle of Midway or the Battle of Leyte Gulf, the japanese decided to convert Shinano from a battleship, to a carrier since they lost a decent amount of carriers.

@@utimas1696 Shinano’s construction was suspended following Force Z, then resumed with the only goal being to just get her out of her dock (without any intention of completing her), and THEN Midway happened and they decided to turn her into a carrier.

At that stage of the war, IJN carriers were pretty worthless. Lack of skilled maintenance personnel, skilled pilots, and US naval air power would have rendered the Shinano useless.

Not really. Shinano was converted too late to become a fleet carrier. She was going to be a support carrier. Plus, at that point in the war, it would have been Shinano vs the unending Essex Horde. Not exactly a war winning matchup

Tbh almost every japanese ship is greater than Yamato, Musashi, Shinano and Taihou. They are like japanese version of Wunderwaffe

yamato was a floating hotel, that's a pretty low bar to climb over

They had their decisive battles from MI to Sho-Go 1, they just kept shouting “nuh-unh, that didn’t happen” as if sheer denial could prevent decisive from being decisive. The rest of your comment is spot on, it was a crushing of the jewels.

all that requires is a few submarine torpedoes :^)

Did you visit Cavalla yet?

@@nogoodnameleft yes. She's very nice

previously on battle 360