How a Militant Marxist (and Atheist) Found God 

Found Christ last year at 48 years of age. Baptized Jan 14th, 2024. Found a great church by my home with wonderful people that preaches the scripture as its written. I'm blessed. Christ is King! All praises to God!!

I was an atheist too. Now I’m saved by the blood that Christ Jesus shed for me on the cross. By the grace of God through faith I am now saved because of what Jesus did for me, a sinner who deserved the wrath of God.

I've been loving these interviews of different people from different backgrounds coming to Christ! It encourages me to keep praying for some unsaved people I know.

Powerful testimony and very attentive interviewer. I am 75 and now my Faith in Jesus is more confirmed than ever.

I grew up attending a German Lutheran church, never baptized. I stopped attending church in my early teens. Fast-forward to Nov. 2018, still not attending church and diagnosed with lung cancer. Dec. 2018, I was baptized, attending church and leaning in on God. I've always known that God is our creator and father. Apr. 2019, after 6 rounds of hard chemo for lung cancer, my body couldn't take it, God and I knew my body was dying, but not my will to live. May 2019, my second opinion oncologist found that I have stage 4 medulary thyroid cancer and not lung cancer. Long story shory... during this time, I felt and knew God was with me and taking care of me. 5 years after entering into a clinical trial for a very rare form of thyroid cancer I'm a cancer thriver and not cured., My current oncologist tells me that I'm a miracle with a spiritual journey to share with others. My large team of doctors are from different parts of the world and are all Christians... God's grace.

I fully agree with him in his closing statement. We definitely need more Christians in fields of science, like there used to be in the old days. Get rid of that lie that you have to choose between "religion" or science, and hold onto the belief that Christian scientists of old held: Science is a way in which you can worship God, through observing His creation.

Quantum Mechanics is a wonderful field to study as a Christian. You really get to know God through his creation because it has been boiled down to building blocks that we can somewhat understand. The logic is of a clear omniscient variety, and it really puts you in awe and understanding of the Creator. It is truly a blessing to study, it's like seeing the face of God.

I was an unchurched agnostic for almost 27 years. As a pre-med major in school, I was always searching for truth within science -- questioning everything. Mercifully, God kept me alive long enough so I could find Truth in Jesus. Parenthetically, I grew up in the Midwest yet didn't hear John 3:16 until I was 19, nor hear Amazing Grace until I was 22. God is so good and great and merciful. Thank you, Lord.

Wow. Such a great conversation. And Sy- Jesus revealed himself to me the same way. I was mostly ignorant of Christianity. Never read the Bible. Had negative stereotypes of what Christians believed. But despair of my 20a forced an existential crisis on me. One day, without making my story longer that it has to be, Jesus said to me "I forgive you." And then "and I love you". And then the peace that passes understanding came into me and I wept . I wept tears of joy, and felt an immense release, and a feeling of calm came over me. And now to this day and always I cannot deny Him. God bless in your writing and in your mission to harmonize Christ And science together love that imagery!

I love this testimony. Probably because it seems very real to me. Ive experienced similar things and gave my life to Christ beginning of 2006. I often desire to write about it, even though im 0 percent academic and when I was thinking of the title of the book it was exactly the same as what he called his first book! I'm so extremely grateful for God's wonderful works in our lives! Praise be to God! May we worship the Lord because He is worthy!!!

Being born in Yugoslavia in 1953 i was brought up, as everybody else, an atheist. I started searching in my 30s and tried everything, but it meant nothing to me. Then i wanted to see what the Bible was all about and found a Bible study in Singapore, where we lived at the time. I invited Jesus in my heart as my Lord and Saviour in the last week of Dec 1989, 6 months pregnant with my second child. From then on i could write a book about all the things God did in my life, starting with a peace which surpasses human understanding, according to Paul, followed by the signs from God, healings and revelations and visions, and the miraculous delivery of my son by an angel. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. I am only sorry i didn't find Jesus earlier. Glory to God.

Sean, this one of your best interviews despite all his flaws three divorces he’s a man who has experience God’s grace in such a profound way this humility honesty this character shows with God’s grace can do. He doesn’t take God’s grace for granted, or abuses it.

Wow, the comparison to the interaction between religion & science to the harmony found in beautiful music is deeply profound. Many thanks and right on!!

I am so glad i stayed for the full interview, im a science teacher, and also a believer. My soul and spirit was delighted all thru out. Thanku, thanku for articulating what i always knew within, but cos of popular (ungodly) viewpoints at universities, i many times felt unease and also thot i had to choose between science and faith. So grateful to God for ur life and testimony

“That was the moment I was born again”. ❤❤❤ Thank you Jesus.

Hallelujah for the Magnificent Mercy and Grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank yoy Jesus for saving this man,thank you for saving me at 57 years old just aroundv4 months ago.

This is excellent! So many Christians who claim to be "saved" can't get their heads around the fact that God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are doing the work. We all need to relax and trust, rather than trying to humanly manipulate people.... Have FAITH!

I love this testimony. God's Spirit is so amazing. Sy Garte, Ph.D. was destined to be in God's kingdom before the foundation of the world.

It would be cool for Sy to have a YT channel. I like his unique perspective!

The garden dream is beautiful! Your testimony is wonderful, another miracle!

"if you people, who are all Christians, think that Jesus might not love you, I'm here to tell you thats wrong. And I know that, because He loves even me, sinner that I am." 32:00 That gave me spiritual goosebumps, it's so true!

I believe because ive personally withness with my own eyes in reality the spirit of God working through random people to get to me. I was doing drugs and living in sexual sin. And one time i was in the hospital by myself laying in the bed and nurses and doctors would walk by and not care because i was a addict but this janitor walked by and came up to me and told me Gods still with me. Total stranger. Also another time i was pretty much dead to life and kept overdosing and going to the hospital and one time the hospital send a cab from the next city over to come bring me back to where i was living and when the cab driver pulled up he literally looked at me and said these exact words. God sent me to you. He prayed over me and touched my chest/Heart and i immediately felt the chains break off me. It was such a weird feeling but i immediately felt better 😅 God is real he can use anything people or even animals to get to you.

Thank you Sean for this wonderful testimony. Your father's book "Evidence that Demands..." was one of the first books I bought following my conversion. I used it in my teaching when I became a church leader/teacher.

Wow, I have to say (through lashes full of tears) that this testimony was one of the most simple, yet one of THE MOST profound I’ve ever, not only heard, but truly FELT. I felt as if it were the Lord speaking to ME as this man realized how the Lord gave His life and DIED for one such as me, and all of us…a sinner. Praise be to Our very patient, selfless, loving Messiah. Amazing, enlightening interview. Thank you so much for sharing. 😌♥️🙏🏽

Love the content Sean, have you thought of maybe releasing some shorter clips from your long form interviews? I think maybe that would be helpful in sharing with folks who aren't as invested in or familiar with apologetics. Just a thought, thanks for all the awesome content here and on the think biblically podcast!

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle resonates with me, and the parallel Professor Garte makes between the electron and Jesus is really good. The electron as both a wave and a particle, that when measured by one technique affects the certainty of its measurement in the other, is a very harmonious notion of regarding Jesus as both God and human. I appreciate that comparison. The human mind cannot reconcile these two without first simply accepting it as a fact. Interestingly, I recall when the uncertainty and randomness of nature was used by a Buddhist to verify to me the veracity of Buddhism, but yet it was done without the integrity of explaining that it was a feature of quantum mechanics. Garte does a very excellent job of explaining--without going into quantum mechanics itself--how the inexplicable parts of nature (explainable by the mind of the Creator, of course) are a valid venue for learning to accept the complexity of a human mind attempting to understand the Creator-Savior God. Following on that, I applaud both his certainty that good science, done with due diligence and integrity will harmonize with the history of the past as well as the future, as I also applaud his willingness to state his position on the matter, in the face of the current cultural bent of popular science.. A very well-done interview, and I greatly appreciate the excellent cooperation of the interviewee, Professor Garte, in his excellent attention to your lead without attempting to assert his own significance.

I've been meaning to reach out. I'm working on a project that for lack of a better word for now is called, "common sense evidence for the Christian faith " In the 15 or more topics, I will be referencing other books, interviews, blogs, etc. I find myself accumulating a LOT of your interviews. Thank you for what you are doing for the kingdom. You are a very good interviewer, and you cover almost every possible subject. But as I say that, you keep coming up with new topics and perspectives. Your work has helped me grow in my faith. Thank you for what you are doing. Your dad's book was instrumental for me decades ago, and it's wonderful to see you building on his work. Thank you so much.

My brother is a geologist, my father was a Meteorologist, they both say how a true scientist DOESN'T believe in God makes no sense!

"Science and faith are in harmony"! Love that. Thank you for this beautiful and powerful testimony Sy! "The Greatest Man in History... Jesus had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today." I feel honored to serve such a Leader who loves us! Lyle C. Rollings III. 2007

Powerful, particularly 32:15 Personal testimony is one of the most impactful apologetics there is.

Wow.!! I really enjoyed hearing Sy’s testimony. Really impacted me. Thank you

I can't wait to read this book! As a science teacher I have always asked my kids how the big bang could happen? Is there a powerful enough force to do so? They always say God. From the mouths of babes.

Praise God, He is mighty to save!!

"A great gospel choir singing in harmony"!! YES LOVE that too !!

Beautiful testimony! All thanks to the Father through Jesus Christ our Savior.

Great testimony! Thanks.

Thank you Sy for such a wonderful testimony. Thank you Sean for these interviews. Testimonies are so edifying

This is very touching testimony.

Jesus is the only way .

Harmony ❤ The word has such a more profound meaning to me now. Thank you for this!

So enjoyed listening to His testimony & realizing again the Scripture in Revelations -" They over came the evil one by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony " Thank you for sharing as well as the thought provoking concepts shared. Come Lord Jesus come🙏🙏.

If God is God, He created material which scientists now study and think they discovered. What narcissism! God made and used mathematics and all the sciences for his glory.

That peace and that joy he felt after getting save, I know it. All you can think about is him, and just the thought or sound of his name fills you with joy and puts a smile on your face. That what it felt like the first month I got saved, after 3 months of resisting, the Lord Jesus finally managed to get me acknowledge what was happening and bend the knee. Within 3 months of wrestling the drawing power of the Holy Spirit, the Lord plucked me out of Darwinism and atheism. I will never forget those 3 months, nor the joy I felt, I know him and he knows me.

Sobbing listening to this! God has chosen you before time began to be His and he used so many tactics to bring you to Him. Its just so beautiful!!

God's signature on creation is increasing complexity. It may be beyond us but we can know enough to marvel

Thank you for sharing this, Sy! Happy to have you as a brother in Christ :)

Yes, true science explores the path of the Creator in our natural world.❤

Dr. Garte, it’s been such a pleasure and extreme encouragement to come across this interview with Sean McDowell and hear your story of how you came to be born again in the faith of Jesus Christ! I’m looking forward to getting your books to help with parents that are home schooling their children. I’m sure they will be wonderful resources. My adult son struggled with atheism for several years and is slowly coming back to faith. I pray that your story, experience and knowledge will help him to overcome his doubts and insecurities about trusting our Lord Jesus. I especially Love how you explained the election being a particle and a wave to portray how Jesus could manifested Himself as fully human yet Divine. God Bless you Richly!!!❤❤❤❤

Oh my GOSH!! I started to comment earlier then erased it, but last year I did a deep dive into chemistry (I couldn't learn it in high school), but it was incredible and awesome and all those words! I kept learning stuff and bouncing between Genesis and Revelations, seeing God EVERYWHERE!!! Now I'm studying biology and it's the same thing, except I've had a year to process what I learned in chemistry so it's more awesome. ❤😂🎉😊 Just a quick comment on your dreams, I've had very similar dreams, totally different "context"? But it seems like God definitely has a language 😊

Sean, what a great interviewer you are! I’m curious whether Sy is familiar with the work of Dr. James Tour, who has researched and studied the origins of life extensively and similarly agrees that faith and nature are in harmony.

I just recently came across sy and I can't get enough of listening to him

A good friend of mine was a hardcore athiest and is giving his testimony in our small group friday. I'm pumped!

Thank you for this wonderful interview!

Thank you Sy and Sean. Sy you are so calmly exceptional. A lovely gift of God to you and consequently a gift of God to me, to us. And Sean thank you for having the true gift of FAITH….that God still gives revelatory dreams and so by extrapolation I will expect you believe that the gifts have not ceased. We are all in for more exciting days. I say more because the biggest thrill of my days is spent watching for and KNOWING that GOD IS STILL GOD. A MIRACULOUS GOD OF LOVE AND REDEMPTION! I sure need Him! HALLELUJAH!

Jesus healed me of pancreas cancer . I come from a loving Christian home My parents lead met to Christ . My father was a classical pianist and my mom a teacher .It is wonderfully peaceful feeling of being safe being a Christian.

This has left me . . . at a loss for words . . . such extremes . . . radical brilliance . . . to say I am impressed & shocked is an understatement! I am also super delighted . . . I am no scientist yet I have been saying nearly all my life, to whoever would listen, there is no way science & God are in conflict . . . DUH . . . God is sitting up there snickering each time scientists think they have an infallible breakthrough, "Oh yeah, watch this!" It took a volcano in the 1950's to figure out jet streams & ocean currents & tsunami . . . FINALLY . . . I have a bonafied accredited scientist as a witness . . . You are singing my song, St! God bless you!!!

At 42 minutes, and God is far from finished with us! Mercy new every morning

This is wonderful how God works with people. The lesson here is never to judge people, not even the toughest criminal. For the Lord has His own time and way to get to His chosen children, no matter their age and background. This is absolutely wonderful! All the glory to God Almighty!

This was such a great interview. Dr. Garter’s faith journey is so encouraging about God’s call to everyone.

Another wonderful book of his that I'll have to add to my queue. Thank you for another great interview. ❤

I loved hearing this testimony of God’s saving work!! Thank-you

Praise all mighty God.

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Remember all your blessings, and forgive often.

Hello Sean. I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know I just discovered you on RU-vid a few days ago and I am thoroughly enjoying your interviews. Please keep up the great work. God bless you my friend.

Wonderful interview! I shall try to pray for our elitist “leaders”, who hate We The People, instead of wishing them ill. I know God wants as many to come to Him as possible. God Wins!

What a Humble Man, he Opened his Heart to God, jesus Christ died for his sins and rose from the Dead. I am a ex Atheist turned Christian apologist From England.

He says you can't know everything and that's exactly what the Bible tells us

What a moving testimony! I am a Christian but your testimony renewed my spirit. Thank you!

Loved every bit of this conversation, such insight and I totally love that science is in harmony with God. God bless you both.

What an incredible testimony brother! Glad you're here for the ride.

Powerful testimony. The practice of medicine opened my eyes to the sovereignty of Yahweh. The way he created our bodies, the eye which depicts the red reflex and fovea and optic nerves definitely shows how Yah is obsessed with light reflex, he even described in Revelations that Jesus has burning light reflex in his eyes. The ear has the cone of light which reflexes back at two times of 11 and 7 it all shows how our God is so fond of light and the pearly color of the ear mimicking the color of heaven , cloud universe. The complexity of the cv and resp system Truly shows our bodies are magnificent. The way our immune system and all the organs are wired , no one should doubt the human body is God's masterpiece.

Science and the spiritual go together. The physical was created by the spirit they can't be separated. Time, gravity, the mind these are all spiritual nature that are used in discovering the physical nature.

The Lord chases down his sheep. And when he opens your eyes, and softens your heart you can look back at your life and see clearly all the ways he worked in your life to bring you to him. ❤

What a beautiful story…we are all beautiful stories walking around, demonstrating the awesomeness of God!

Thank you my lord my god n my king who is forever n ever

My epithaph,,,,,how great great thou art,,,to god be all the glory

Great interview!

Your message is very moving, and needed. Praise God, praise Jesus!

Great guest and interview, thank you!

I've been a Christian my entire life--even as a small child I freaked my goodly (but, not especially actively faithful) parents out with my pronouncements of faith. There hasn't been a moment of doubt in my entire life. Even in college studying biology, science, physics everything I learned only amazed me testifying to the glory of God! I needed no proof but, saw that proof was everywhere. Hence, I've struggled understanding how ANYONE couldn't believe or didn't believe! I've had to pray for guidance from God how to receive those with such disdain for the Savior and his gospel! Even more struggling to pray for the athiest communists and Nazis who murdered millions of their own people in the most inhumane ways possible! It was very hard at first and took me a while to accept that these people were brainwashed and blinded yet Heavenly Father wanted them to turn away from evil, repent and receive his son's offer to usher them into heaven too! So, it is great joy I learn the prayers of the faithful have brought forth fruit and there are those who have turned away from atheism, communism, Nazism etc and have received Christ into their lives! What a wonderful God we have who desires us all to live with him throughout eternity and never gives up on anyone!

This was a very interesting interview. Please have him back on.

Sy, thank you for sharing your journey with us. Your voice is incredibly important today. Thank you for your boldness in the science field.

Just walk in-through the Door. "I stand at the door and knock. Open to Me." All the most precious Words of "just let go". Ever the Voice of the Good Shepherd. Ever the invitation for being rescued from the dominion of darkness into the kingdom of the Son He loves, the forgiveness of sin.

+He is risen+. Sy's story is compelling and rings true. Paranthetically, he is a terrifically fascinating person with myrad interests (science, philosophy, human behavior, music). I'm grateful he's made the effort to share the tale of how G-d reached him over the years. I'm heartened, encouraged, strengthened. As a Catholic, i'm pleased to hear it was a Catholic who shared Christ with him when he was in his 40s. And, btw, Eastern Orthodoxy deals with mystery in science and theology in a uniquely compelling way.

I love the expression of his witness, his personal and unique (yet common too) encounter with his Creator, Savior and God...

Heart warming when just one person's eyes are opened to truth.

The Heavens declare the Glory of the Lord!

Science does not have the tools to prove or disprove God, but it can point you in the right direction. For example, the origin of the universe or the fine-tuning of physical constants can be cited as evidence for a divine creator.

28:49 “Behold, I stand at the door and knock.”

So wonderful seeing people coming to Christ. He is calling us all home if we will listen!!❤

He said communists were encouraged to be childless & focus on the communist fight. I’d say that feminism & the sexual revolution have been more successful in getting people to stop having kids even if that means that many people, especially women, just wait too long to have kids.

One of the best talks i have ever heard! I would add, in Genesis the Bible says God stretched out the heavens. I remember my son came home from his senior year in Astrophysics at UCLA and as usual, he quized me. Mom, is the Universe collapsing inward towards the sun or expanding outwards, he asked me. I told him, the Bible says it is expanding and being stretched out. Every sentence in the Bible is an exact and precise truth, that is stated so simply that most don't capture the beauty of it's complex deep truth. Yeah Sy, go for it. You are doing a great work for the Lord.

I really enjoyed this but I do have a bit of a hard question (at least hard for me) that I would ask this guest regarding his comment near the end of the video that science is not in opposition to Christianity. I am also a Christian and have been since 7th grade. I am 32 years old and I am a civil engineer so I have been in the scientific field for a while but not too long. Going through college engineering classes, I did run into other students who claimed that science would disillusion Christian’s because as they would put it, “religion falls apart”. I do not agree with this and maintained my faith through schooling. I view science from the realm that we are just observing the world and it’s principles that god created and trying our best to model what god created. We are not breaking down the universe or changing how it operates, we are merely using tricks from the way it operates to help make life easier. I guess where my concern and question begins is what about Babylon. God said that people had become of one mind and would be able to accomplish anything. The problem with Babylon, I would argue is that it tried to glorify itself instead of god. Thus I am questioning the motive of science. If conducted by a Christian, I think we should be humble, not self serving and ultimately to glorify god where possible. Some sciences are better suited at allowing that. Are there some sciences (AI for example) where the knowledge of man is threatening to replace god and gods knowledge that would not be a suitable field for Christian’s? Is it possibly something we should even be opposed to as a science? I just have a hard time believing that AI will ever glorify god as it is a reflection of man and man’s flaws and sinful nature. I will keep my faith regardless of whether it means I am fired from my job, stripped of my degree and certifications. Those are menial things to me at this point compared to my belief. I just wonder if a person can truly glorify god in any old scientific job or if there are constraints in your opinion.

When a scientist become save and receive the Holy Spirit, it is the highest point of his career because now he knows all the work that he have done has been rewarded 100 times over over of that knowledge that was just scraping the surface

This guy seems vaguely familiar to me. 🤔 I think I may have randomly watched a testimony video of him a while back. Edit: Ah, yeah. I remember hearing about his dreams. It reminded me of Nabeel Qureshi's dream that he had of the door, before he even read anything in scripture about the door. I, myself, had a my first dream of Jesus a little over a week ago. I don't know if it had any meaning, or if it was just a random dream influenced by things swimming in my mind. I went to bed right after looking at LotR maps. I had some typical random dreams that night. But right before I woke up, I had one where I saw Jesus standing about 8-9 feet from me. We were in a dark empty void, and He was dimly lit, kinda like a normal person standing in the moonlight. Just lit enough that I could see His face, beard, and hair. I then made about a 180° to my right and saw that I was looking over the geographical area where Israel is. It was like an accurate photo satellite image, with no map or boarder markers. I could see the Phillistine coast as well. He was speaking to me as I was looking at the land, and as he was speaking, roughly half a dozen waypoint markers sprung up on the land in a specific area. I then woke up. But I couldn't remember what all He said to me except the last sentence. But in my half sleep state, I forgot the first part of the sentence. When I realized I forgot the first part, I sprang up to quickly write the last words that I remembered.. "jewels of Judah." Those words seemed odd for me to think up on my own, even moreso in a dream. I glanced at the maps in the back of my Bible a few times, but didn't really retain the knowledge of its exact geographical location. Outside of of hearing Joel Kramer mentioning on your show that it's somewhere south of Jerusalem today. I googled a map of Judah, and the first one to pop up showed a highlighted area of the exact location where the waypoint markers popped up in my dream. I forget the exact time period of the map. Sometime in the BC era. I saved the pic and drew about 4 dots roughly around the areas where I remembered in my dream. Then I tried to look up verses that might mention "jewels" or "jewels and Judah". Two stuck out to me from just a brief search. They're from books I haven't read yet: • Zechariah 9:16 - "The Lord their God will save them in that day, As the flock of His people. For they shall be like the jewels of a crown, Lifted like a banner over His land--" - It also mentions Judah before that. • Malachi 3:16-17 - "They shall be Mine," says the Lord of hosts, "On the day that I make them My jewels. And I will spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him." As I said earlier. I don't know if that dream had any meaning, or was inspired, or was just random stuff in my head that conjured a dream. But it sure stuck out to me in comparison to other dreams I have. One of a few reasons being that I saw what I perceived to be Jesus.. In the dream, I interpreted "jewels" as referring to those waypoint markers, which were supposed to be cities. After fully waking up, I tried remembering the whole sentence, but I can't say with certain confidence what it was. I went back and forth between possibly, "These are the jewels of Judah" or "These are my jewels of Judah"?... Idk. I didn't intend to write this much. People don't want to read full books in the comments, and I don't blame them.

I am Catholic but I love this channel. I am married to an evangelical woman. I learn a lot from her and her church, in addition to having met exceptional people. In relation to the topic of Marxism and Christianity, I respectfully share the following information in case anyone is interested. It changed my life and helped me abandon the (erroneous) Marxist view of religion. A 1984 document called "Instruction on certain aspects of the Theology of Liberation", and another document from 1986 called "Instruction on Christian Freedom and Liberation". You can google them. I hope you don't delete my comment. Just as I have enriched myself enormously from evangelical authors, I believe that anyone can also do so from a Catholic theologian. What matters are ideas more than people or religion. Greetings.

This is a cool channel. Interviewing people on how they found God. Brilliant!

I so enjoyed this interview! I was raised protestant and I can't ever say I was aethetist but I fell away from faith as a young person like many do. The past 4 years showed me that pure unadulterated evil truly exists and this made me realize that there is an opposite of everything and the opposite of this disgusting wickedness we saw play our would be pure love which would be God. This is what brought me back to Him and I've never been happier and more fulfilled. That anxiety and emptiness I previously had is gone now and it was replaced by the holy spirit. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

What impresses me is how God/Jesus pursued this man throughout his life. It is not that he heard the gospel and made a decision. Starting when he was a teenager into middle-age, God was continuing to pursue him until he was able to let go of his upbringing and believe.