How a player stole the powers of a Jagex Moderator 

so basically all this because jagex looked silly? They had to lie and ban people just because people found out that the mods had a tool to do certain things?

@@Ryan83728 no they got banned for stealing the item... and having powers of a mod.

I have more information on the player Quint. He has been caught scamming on WoW for many years and has actually taken real $$ donations from guildies in discord. We have proof and screenshots all the way back from 2016. I'd love you share some information with you! @rswillmissit

just jumping in because you probably havent seen it being mainly an rs3 player, but jagex is still incredibly lenient on bug abuse that doesnt heavily impact the game, at least in oldschool, rendi literally makes videos on the subject and things like interface stalls and other things that rendi has done to break the game have been directly addressed by jagex in patches that unintentionally broke the things that he did, or rather was a byproduct of larger changes that needed to be implemented in order to fix higher priority issues. they seem to be taking a relatively light approach to it lately so long as it isnt damaging to the game, but if its done the interest of research or for overall meaningless achievements they dont seem to mind

I have to point out that IP bans don't work against people with dynamic IPs and knowledge about Mac Address changing. It's actually one of the worst types of bans available.

It would be enough to confirm it exists and laugh it off, then move on. Fuckups do happen, but I guess investors will never change and PR with the community isn't as important to them.

Yeah I never understood this, like they showed them twice, telling them it is a bug, yet still jagex banned everyone they knew and their mothers...

Basically gives you no reason to report bugs to them.

@@crazyciler50 because they can't handle being made to look like a dumbass

Yeah just like when I logged into my account after 2 years, logged out after walking 20 steps, logged in the next day and was banned for macroing and it was unnapealable. I'm tired of fucking retards being in charge of punishing people.

@@ronnie9379 I got the same thing, lost two accounts now...one would be nearly 20 years old and I had put a lot of time into it, tried logging in, tells me to check my account for details...check account, nothing on it telling me why I can't log in, second account was what you said, I logged in once move a bit and logged out, went the next day and my account was permabanned. Getting any info from an actual person at jagex seems to be impossible and I doubt they even care. Scumbags.

See, that's the part I don't get, because surely Jagex has lawyers. A company can ordinarily ban anyone for any reason or no reason, but by making such an offer they have created a bug bounty system with contractually agreed upon terms. In not giving what was promised they opened themselves up to lawsuit which I am surprised never happened. If a company like Google or Microsoft decided not to honor the terms of it's bug bounty program they'd be sued, so why not Jagex? There's nothing unusual about people looking for exploits in systems and most companies find it more cost effective to put these people to work for them rather than hire people to go after them.

@@Elliandr It's not a written agreement, I'm guessing that's how they get away with it

@@Elliandr They get away with it, because it isn't a bug bounty system, per se. There's no system to it, rather it's more like a gentlemen's agreement, unwritten rule or understanding. The bottom line is that the user agrees to the Terms and conditions, which states that exploiting bugs is prohibited. If an employee or representative from Jagex does in practice have a said reward system, and they do end up banning a player its considered just bad player treatment. It does not open up to any legal backlash because the user already accepted the Terms and conditions which prohibits it. Jagex as an entity can simply brush off whatever the employee did as a simple mistake or misunderstanding.

@@lbj2277 That would depend on the court precedents of the jurisdiction. A contract that says, "if you do this we can respond like this" does normally protect a company especially when it's service is at will that either party can terminate at any time and for any reason, but in legal terms what you call a "gentleman's agreement" is really a verbal contract. If there is physical evidence that an agent for a company has agreed to something other than what was previously agreed in a contract many courts will accept that over the contract itself. For example : when my girlfriend purchased a Samsung Tab E from AT&T they sold it to her by promising things that were not in the contract. At the time I advised her against it because what they were saying was not in the contract and she bought it anyway. In the end she was burned because what she was promised wasn't in the contract. Now, since we did not have any physical evidence of what she was promised such as a recording or an email we could not challenge the validity of the contract itself. However, later on, when we recorded a conversation over the phone without notifying them which we were permitted to do because of the state in which we reside, we were able to document their agents making promises that they later did not follow through on. This made AT&T liable for damages when they attempted to enforce the contract as written. A company that routinely makes promises but then backs out on them because it's not in the contract will not typically have the sympathy of the court when someone tries to challenge the validity of the contract in such a circumstance. Again though, much of it will depend on your local courts, precedence, and whether or not you can prove that there was an agreement which contradicts the contract and how strongly the agreement was made. If the wording was, " if you do this we might not ban you." Then that does not as strongly overrule the contract, but a court still might rules of the contract has been replaced in part if this went on for a of time or there was a reasonable expectation to be made. Of course, even if someone could prove to the courts that the contract has been replaced the victim would still have to prove that they were damaged and what those damages were. That's an even more difficult case. They probably won't be able to pursue money outside of what was actually paid. An injunction would be filed to order a company to reinstate service under the premise that the company had a contractual obligation to continue providing the service under the new verbal contract terms, and there have actually been cases of companies being ordered to provide a service it otherwise doesn't want to on such grounds, but for a digital character the company would likely have deleted the character outright even if a court ordered the account restored. Unless the victim has documentation of all of their items and stops for the company to recreate the character file with there would be no way to pursue this kind of action. Still, none of this is actually impossible because verbal contracts do have weight. Especially if in the form of an email communication with the company in question. While extremely difficult it is technically not impossible for something like this to occur. The only real question is if anyone in the situation even has the resources to fight them at that level and who also has sufficient documentation.

@@Leymora That's a common misconception about contract law. Technically speaking verbal agreements are contracts with legal weight, but the reason why contracts are put into writing is so that it could be proven what was agreed to. In the past these kinds of cases would depend on witnesses, which is a big reason why in signed contracts you always typically see a witness line as well. Most of the precedents involving a verbal contract overruling a written contract has to do with literacy. In America at least you don't have to actually sign your name to sign a contract. You just have to make some kind of mark. In some cases an illiterate person would be taken advantage of where someone would explain to them what the contract says, but then the contract not actually containing what was spoken. The risk to either party of it being one word against the other resulted in witnesses being placed on the contract. More recently American courts have invalidated sections of contracts where the terms are not clear, or buried somewhere, which is based heavily on the above-mentioned precedent of a contract simply being a physical representation of what is verbally understood. If both parties don't understand the contract then the contract does not have weight. This understanding is the legal basis for why a new verbal agreement can overrule a written contract. The fact is both the physical contract and the verbal contract have the same weight. It's just that it's more difficult to prove a verbal agreement occurred at all. Regardless, if it can be proven it does you mean that the understanding of the written contract has been replaced. This risk is also why many companies will put a line in the contract saying that exceptions have to be made in writing, but then email is writing, isn't it? And regardless of this extra line it's not like a new contract can't be made anyway. Other courts may interpret things differently of course, but these kinds of cases are so old that I would be surprised if European court opinion didn't have a similar understanding.

I honestly feel like they should have been employed by jagex to find these bugs instead of ridding of a good resource..

@@ViciousXP right... they seemed to be really good bug testers and likely could have been a good asset for Jagex. its basically the same concept as the NSA or CIA hiring someone they catch who is a master hacker, which has happened.

Backstabbed? They fucked around and found out. The first time was a overreaction, the 2nd was justified completely. They lied to a mod's face about what th bug was to steal from them.

@@Daman-fs8sz No, the first time was the slug menace. They offered them rewards to show how the bugs worked. They agreed and showed them. Once Jagex got what they wanted, they started banning. That's where this all started. Jagex fucked up, they always seem to do this.

@@seeker6514 Jagex are assholes, always have been

how you edit your post but still fuck up...

@@Jr14291 ?

@@null301_ They mean that sound should be would.

@@9bladesofice o

Jagex has always been an authoritarian pile of sociopathic imbeciles. It's ironic as hell, since Runescape used to be one of the freest games available at the time, including a fully functioning free market economy, something we can't even make IRL (we're a plutocracy, not a free market economy).

**bans innocent players** "legend". You'd love communist china.

@@llVIU he was talking about king moof…

Virgin Chrisso vs gigachad Moof

Omg these comment went over my head in the video, but now i got it lmaooo

Yeah it was, I've probably watched like 5 videos about the rotten potato but Will killed it.

@@daMillenialTrucker A1

Agree

Make an rs construction vid on your channel

Slow down fatty

The fact that people tell their friends about MEGA exploits is ridiculous

Today i learned that if i lie to a OSRS's mod's face about a bug i've found, and i know that i'm lying to them, i might get permabanned

I guess the problem is not telling the bug but abusing of it quite a lot before telling or something.

@@Daman-fs8sz What was the lie? He found a bug didn't he?

@@Daman-fs8sz I can tell you're a bootlicker in real life from the comments you've posted. "Fuck around and find out" kinda bootlicker Lol

Way to blur the lines of Good and Evil on their part

@@Moses255337 Haxunit literally didn't do anything wrong, there was no intent to steal it since they didn't even know it existed.

@@Nick-ij5nt i was talking about Jagex

@@Moses255337 Yes, I thought that you were trying to say that Jagex was in a morally grey scenario and that it wasn't as black and white as we make it out to be. But it's very obviously a black and white situation.

yes. jagex used to offer pmod positions or lifetime membership for helping them with bugs but inturn they just perma banned you. pretty shady

Anyone who owns content can do it regardless of who they are if they own it. Doesn't mean it doesn't get abused but it isn't limited to companies.

It's fraud for them to do stuff like that, but individuals just don't have the power to stand up to a company and take them to court. Even if you do try to counter it and do something about it, youtube chooses to favor the claimant and requires you to basically dox yourself. It's so bad stalkers have used it to get ppl's private info before. It's ridiculous.

@@A_Black_Sheep94 You don't even have to own the content. Anyone can make a claim on anything. It's blatant fraud, but the only way to do anything about it/get your money revenue back is to take ppl to court to prove they're making fraudulent claims against your work. Most will just take whatever cash they can get off you then disappear tho. Cuz while youtube forces the defending party to share their private information, it does not require that of the person making the claim. They delete the claim/account the next day and you're just screwed.

So instead of giving youtube the rights to your videos in exchange for free hosting try buying your own video hosting so they can't touch your crap.

Thank you! That's what I wanted to do. It matters to me that the content I upload always offer something new to the table. Really glad you enjoyed it!

@@rswillmissit awesome video but i have a question. I get it was hella embarassing once it went public but why was it such a big deal that they had an item like this. i wouldve assumed they did from tthe start lol

@@danielmizrahi9629 Good question! I don't think it was such a big deal that such an item existed, but rather how it was handled. Keep in mind this was during a time when J-Mods weren't very public. They popped up in-game, but few had any shape of personal relationship with them. When a group of infamous players then manages to take ones power from them, followed by Jagex refusing it happened, it's something the players love to make fun of. I don't think this would've been such a big deal if Jagex just admit from the very start that yep, they messed up - and moved on.

@@rswillmissit ah i see, thanks bro nice work

Same thought. Thought I was gonna just mindlessly listen to a rehash of the rotten potato story, threw it on my phone and laid back down to listen to it. But actually learned and was entertained by some unknown info. Thanks op.

huh. They also lied to a mods face in order to steal items off them. You know that you can report bugs without, you know. Lying to there face? Stealing items from them?

@@Daman-fs8sz yes, after getting banned despite being promised rewards for helping out. Can't blame them for being vengeful x')

@@Daman-fs8sz did u even watch first part of a video ......

@@Daman-fs8sz After they were backstabbed. Jesus fucking christ, how much do they pay you? Twenty cents an hour?

@@Daman-fs8sz u got smol brain

Absolutely! A lot of them have wanted work at Jagex to share their skills and use them for good. They've all been rejected though, besides one which was taken in as a consultant. That wasn't someone in this video, though.

DON'T TALK TO THE POLICE AND DON'T TRUST THE STATE

@@joshuakuehn DON'T TAKE MEDS YOUR DOCTORS ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU

Those with power will eventually abuse it!

ALWAYS WRITE IN CAPS LOCK

that IS how the saying goes?...

@@lanewatson8505 it’s not. “Trying to find a needle in a haystack” is a saying used to denote something hard to find among a lot of stuff hiding it. Saying “sticking out like a needle in a haystack” implies that it is easy to find a needle in the haystack

@@Spirelord122 oh yeah I just read it wrong smh

@@Spirelord122 that's right. It's a mash up of the former you said, and "sticking out like a sore thumb'

I mean it’s a 50-50 chance each time you search a haystack. Either you find it or you don’t

Imagine if they had stolen it AFTER a couple of the streams. Wonder if its possible to ban a Jmod.

Falador bro

I was there for the falodor massacre too, it was halarious.

@@generalharness8266 Wouldn't matter Jagex can unban any account

⁠@@A_Black_Sheep94in what world would banning a Jmod from the game even if was only for a few minutes “not matter”

It is in theory the players responsibility to ensure safety on your own account. The one time we know Jagex was at fault, the hijackings from Mod Jed in 2017/18, Jagex took responsibility and fixed each breach individually.

I just love the nice vibes your comments bring my heart

Bruh how are you this low on the list.

Most of those staff members messages came across like they have a rly bad relation with the community.

Imagine the type of human you have to be to become a mod. It attracts the same people who become dirty cops, or child abusing priests lol. The power gets them off.

@@coreyjones3788 On the money!

The guy under him “I abuse cockroaches” 💀

Ikr

Very true

@Gabriel Coates I understand that but still, safety precaution lol

​@Gabriel Coates It would literally take a few lines of code to check the rights of a player when the rotten potato is clicked. A rights system already exists before there is a differentiation between regular, p mod, and j mod accounts, and an item click packet listener also exists because we can interact with items (e.g. equipping them). They had all the tools to implement a couple lines of code to prevent this from ever happening, but unfortunately they were too stupid to do so.

imo its a 200 iq play and it what i would have done too

@@thedjenis it's a slimeball move

@@thedjenis not really, because then no one would report exploits anymore

@@thedjenis congrats, every company on earth would fire you. going back on your word is a major violation of trust and if it ever got out is a bigger liability than your life is worth PR isn't something you can just throw away like that

@@thedjenis Thanks for letting us know you're a fuckin' snake who would stab someone in the back first moment you got. Yikers.

@@Ttegegg Well, the game is made more unique by things like this, even though it's not a good thing from the companies standpoint, it's something that really gives the game a charm, to know it has a funny history of mistakes, bugs, and errors. Even the Fally Massacre has its place in the games history.

Careful there. There's Jmods and Pmods. They're not hivemind who all thinks the same way

Hahahaha

@Gabriel Coates Yeah, probably a good time to get a real life.

@Gabriel Coates this just gave me an existential crisis

Well that's just not useful. They use tools like this to make testing easier, having to manually change something in the database every time you need something just takes too long.

@@TheB0sss Well, specifically, if you do something like this, you make it have a check that cannot be used by any ole person

@@Spiker985Studios Which they ultimately did do anyway.

Imagine the sheer chaos.

because its alot easier to simply throw people under the rug or make them stop talking then it is to actually deal with deeply rooted issues that they bring up, especially in online games overseen by malnourished manbabies who wanna flex on everyone. im pretty sure you couldnt say wow up until 2011, and basically everyone whos friends with a jmod (even now for gods sake) can use that to get you banned, modash legit banned my ironman acc because some other dude (who i later found out was a friend of his ) thought i MIGHT HAVE been cheating, because i was grinding for salmon, back in like 2013...im still salty over it.

You could be punished for mentioning another game? What the fuck? I'm glad I don't like Runescape because that sounds like some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Even if you WERE talking about World of Warcraft when you said something as innocuous as "wow," that's grounds for punishment?

because to them its an insult and makes them look really really bad. You got to think a lot of these people working at the company went to school for this and then you have people that we learn this shit on our own and get even better than they are at it they get a little peeved. Look at the pokemon games made by people compared to the ones mainstream released, you got people creating their own mons and way better stories and layouts and Gamefreak is like fuck you wanna be sued. Big companies dont like everyday people being better than them simply out of it making them look bad. Instead of handling it right they rather try and make it go away because dumb logic.

this is also coming from someone in school for game dev lol Like the degree/certification is really only for job acquisition.

@@christopherh4891 the thing is though, people give Gamefreak shit all the time for what they do to Pokémon fan games and their creators, so I think it's fair to be critical of Jagex preventing people from simply talking about a game. Plus, as shady as it may be and as fucked up as copyright law is, Gamefreak does have the legal right to sue those fan games. I can understand banning the use of things like slurs and such from your game, but preventing people from simply mentioning another game? That's wrong, in my opinion. Your game is always gonna have competitors and it will always have people who think other games are better, that's just part of being a game developer. Censoring your own fanbase is not cool.

Huge words! Thank you so much!

A friend did a stream there the other day actually there was 100s

@@vanquishable7844 I was waiting for this comment xd

@@n0f0rtwin56 spam report the post for misinformation

@Gaming Legend69 yes

It was a good analogy, as the haystack presumably was the full items whilst the needle, instead of being hard to find, was sticking out visually

We'z told da boss, but no, da boss sez "It jus' a squishy rabbit, can't urt anyones." But den da boss got well stomped.

Only the best for you!

so pretty

"The-item-that-must-not-be- named!"

The R-Word.

Summoning was not cool, it was lame. Was pretty much the end of the game for me.

Yooo I saw this comment and Squeal of Fortune just game me MASSIVE nostalgia vibes. I remember when bounty hunter worlds an summoning released. In my personal opinion, that was when Runescape was "Truly" alive for more. That was the high point of RS for myself.

@@beff5058 Smells like someone couldnt figure out how to level it up

GEKOLONISEERD

@@ProtoxxGaming lol

Hahaha precies wat ik dacht

@@ProtoxxGaming omfg i never thought id see you make that joke but GEKOLONISEERD

prachtig toch

Wow, thank you!!

Aww, very kind to say! Thank you!!

Thank you! :D

Haha, the images going deeper and such? I've seen a couple, do you have one specific version in mind?

rswillmissit I actually haven’t seen an iceberg image yet but it definitely needs to be done! Maybe you can have the people in your discord say what they want to be on the list!

Jagex's PR has always been terrible. Thankfully the OSRS team seems to get it, at least for now.

Jagex's support makes EA look like the messiah. No appeal false bans, removing ALL official support requests outside of bored mods on twitter/reddit, treating the banhammer like a universal fix button, etc. They get away with it because the victims are so heavily silenced the majority never find out.

Yeah such a sad incident actually on both ends

was thinking the same thing, he just experienced the most adrenaline he could ever achieve his entire life

But they also perma IP banned their accounts when they actually gave up the info on the quest that Jagex requested. "We gave you the lifetime membership, now time for the banhammer."

Stop lying.

Bullshit.