How A Tiny Nudge Put A Jumbo Jet In The Ocean | China Airlines 605

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This is the story of china airlines flight 605, on the 4th of november 1993 a china airlines 747 was making the trip from taiwans chiyang kai shek airport to hong kongs kai tak airport. That destination airport was one of the most dangerous airports in the world at the time, the approach to its runways was anything but simple.for most approaches you line up with the runway quite early but not at kai tak. At kai tak you fly towards a mountain and then you line up with the runway very very late banking over the buildings of hong kong as you did so. It didnt matter how big or small your plane was, this is how you landed at kai tak. This unusual approach gave us some truly breathtaking images of 747s banking low to the ground barely as they turned to line up with the runways. Too bad the airport has been decommissioned ,I would have loved to have seen that. But then again as we are about to see this airport took a toll on the pilots that flew there so maybe it's not such a bad thing that it was closed down.
But on the 4th of november that challenging approach would be made even more challengin by the fact that storm Ira would be nearning taiwan. china airlines flight 605 takes off from taiwans chainyang kai shek international airport bound for hong kong with 274 passengers on board. Quite interesting that they were able to operate a 747 on such a short flight that was only 75 minutes long.
Takeoff and cruise were uneventful and with the challenging approach coming up the pilots started preparing for the landing. One thing of concern were the crosswinds that were active at the time they werent sure that theyd be able to get the plane on the runway so they took some extra time to go through the go around procedures. As the plane flew towards hong kong the pilots got a weather report from hong kong. It looked like theyd indeed be needing the go around procedure, winds were strong it was raining and there was windshear. The pilots turned on the planes weather radar to get a sense of what to expect, they could see clouds near the airport but none at the airport itself.
Soon the pilots were on the localiser beam for runway 13, and the pilots were in contact with hong kong tower. Tower had some bad news the winds had picked up and the visibility had dropped to 5 km or 3 miles. As they got this information an MD82 landed and flight 605 was next. Winds were at 25 knots and the pilots were told to expect wind shear as they turned to line up with the runway. The pilots configured the plane as turbulence buffeted the 747. At 1100 feet the pilot disengaged the autopilot and the took manual control of the plane. Shortly after that he disconnected the autothrottle as well, he flew the approach with his right hand on the throttles and his left hand on the yoke.
As the captain put the 747 into the right hand turn to line up with runway 13 he got windshear alerts, which were followed up by glideslope warnings. Which meant that the plane was deviating away from the prescribed glideslope. They were also straying from their target speed of 153 knots, something that the first officer immediately noticed. At the end of the turn one thing was clear: the plane was much lower than it should be. But the pilots corrected for that, the jumbo jet touched down on the runway with in the touchdown zone. It kicked up quite a bit of spray from the wet runway as it touched down. In the tower people were watching the surface radar track of flight 605, it was carrying way too much speed.

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@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 2 года назад

@koharumi1 2 года назад

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@iljagutt1865 2 года назад

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@radge6805 2 года назад

As they say, any landing you can swim away from is a good landing!

@animaaura 2 года назад

You know something, the fact that no major air crash ever took place at Kai Tek is a fucking miracle! The super complicated approach, the hills and mountains, the steep un-uniform descent, the low flying over a densely populated city, the crosswinds, wind shear, the short runway, the ocean at the end of the runway, and storms and typhoons, and the generally quick changing coastal weather

@phj223 2 года назад

Well you know what they say, complacency kills. No pilot going into Kai Tak would ever be complacent.

@stanislavkostarnov2157 2 года назад

do you think the new airport is better placed? I found you are a lot nearer the mountain peaks there, but the approach is more straight in.... depends on your skill balance I guess.

@peterjf7723 2 года назад

@@phj223 The fact that it is an obviously difficult landing probably means that the pilots will be concentrating and not likely to be complacent.

@phj223 2 года назад

@@peterjf7723 yeeees, that was precisely my point..

@BillPalmer 2 года назад

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 But the mountain is to the side at the new airport with straight in ILSs to both runways. Not really much of a factor. Does make for a longer ride to downtown though. The new tunnel bridge to Macau is a sight to behold.

@davidjb3671 2 года назад

I lived in Taiwan for 8 years and flew that route often. Having grown up the son of an RAF pilot and flying in light aircraft since I was 8 I always enjoyed the approach to Kai Tak, but it scared a lot of people stiff. And landing in the other direction Westward there was a solid granite cliff at the end of the runway, so landing East as described here was actually the safest choice. I remember landing there one time during a typhoon with 2 go-arounds on the Westward approach, the plane pulling up steeply with engines screaming, but some of the passengers were screaming even louder, and there was a lot of praying going on before the pilots stuck the landing on the 3rd attempt. Even I was scared that time 😱

@harrickvharrick3957 2 года назад

great story but dude, we know what being scared means. no need to illustrate it, that just makes it childish and it is lacks style.

@davidjb3671 2 года назад

@@harrickvharrick3957 I just reported it exactly as it happened. No more, no less. That's my style.

@stevewhite3424 2 года назад

Thank you for your descriptive post, interesting to hear how the cabin passengers were reacting to a little bit of drama.

@commerce-usa 2 года назад

@@harrickvharrick3957 entirely disagree. Having experienced turbulence at altitude which caused multiple overhead bins to open and throw out their content, what other passengers where doing helps to create a more compelling and relatable story. Crass and childish is when you respond to a vividly painted story like that with a reply like your's.

@davidjb3671 2 года назад

@@stevewhite3424 Hi Steve, I recall the aircraft was an Airbus 320 or similar and the automated go-around on that is quite exciting to say the least, especially in the dark and being buffeted by rain and turbulence. I was actually surprised they made the 3rd attempt instead of diverting. One thing that sticks in my mind was a passenger across the aisle from me frantically trying to unbuckle their seatbelt and stand up, but being physically restrained (fortunately) by the person sitting beside them. It's strange what some people will try to do in a panic situation, as I was definitely tightening my belt.

@phj223 2 года назад

I think the captain probably (and quite accidentally) nudged the throttle during the touchdown, seeing how the weather was rough with windsheers and whatnot, and it's fair to assume it wasn't the smoothest possible touchdown ......

@JoshuaC923 2 года назад

Yup agreed, slight g force might have nudged it forward without him noticing

@JimDean002 2 года назад

That's what I would say as well. He had a hand on the throttles and all it took was one little buffet to nudge it Forward just a tiny bit and that disengaged everything.

@0xf7c8 2 года назад

The only semi stable thing the dude is grabbing in a severe turbulence situation + landing, is that lever. I can imaging touchdown pushing him forwards.

@davidjma7226 2 года назад

I loved landing at Kai Tak. You could even see into peoples' apartments!

@luv2sail66 2 года назад

I wish I could have experienced a landing there before it closed.

@jjquinn2004 2 года назад

I flew in there a bunch of time and I remember that. You could see people hanging out their laundry on the balcony!

@adulthumanfemale8666 2 года назад

Me too! It was cool!

@Theodosius18 2 года назад

As a kid, it was a real fun.

@davidjma7226 2 года назад

@@luv2sail66 Yep Chep Lok is boring by comparison. If you like a wild ride, fly into Wellington NZ nearly any day of the week. I have seen grown men in tears crying for their mum!!

@ExtremeSquared 2 года назад

"Would have been possible to take off with the runway they had left." The problem is... this plane crashed with little enough remaining energy that everyone survived. It takes a leap of faith to give that up and change the outcome scenarios from this to either successful takeoff or mass-casualty crash at takeoff speed. It's not a simple decision if the go-around was borderline at that point.

@izzat003 2 года назад

true.simulator aint the same as in real life

@thatguyalex2835 2 года назад

Agreed my man. Kinetic energy squares with the speed. A crash at 75 mph vs. 150 mph are totally different. People would probably survive 75 mph, but not 150 mph, as the crash energy levels are 4x greater at the higher speed. Note: Arbitrary values used for speeds. Most B747 airplanes take off in the mid 100s mph (150-160 mph).

@thomaszinser8714 2 года назад

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@josephmassaro 2 года назад

Warplanes WW2 Dogfight would be appropriate.

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@Dr_V 2 года назад

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@K1OIK 2 года назад

Gonna? be honest? Otherwise you lie?

@BillPalmer 2 года назад

Thrust reverser can’t be armed to deploy automatically. however, they cannot be deployed unless the thrust levers are at IDLE. Auto brakes disengage when thrust levers are advanced as they should if the thrust levers are advanced as for a go around.

@stevewhite3424 2 года назад

I hope you never lose track of the fact that what sets your channel apart is your detailed descriptions of of what actually happened and what led up to it rather than the computer graphics that you are using. It's no big deal but the computer graphics typically have little or nothing to do with the actual accident so while they are interesting to see I hope you never lose focus on what makes your channel so good! Have a great Day!

@moiraatkinson 2 года назад

You know, I never realised this before but you’re right. I love the detailed descriptions as well. If I’m dozing at night I often listen to a video and without a commentary it’s easy to suddenly find you’ve missed some important explanation, but if there’s commentary you can listen for quite a while before properly falling asleep (I often wake up to some randomness as auto play is on). I don’t want to imply that I find your videos soporific. I love seeing that a new one has been uploaded and I’m really enjoying them. You come over as a really nice guy and I’m very happy to see your increasing subscribers 😊.

@cbracing808 2 года назад

Disaster Breakdown does a pretty good job of this also IMO. I'm curious if you agree with my statement or if that's one of the channels you don't prefer? Just curious 🤔

@moiraatkinson 2 года назад

@@cbracing808 personally I love Disaster Breakdown. I like the slightly longer videos and I’ve enjoyed everything I’ve watched there. This channel and Disaster Breakdown are two of my favourites. 😊

@thatguyalex2835 2 года назад

@@moiraatkinson Same with Three Greens - Aviation Safety. :) He has voice actors play the parts of the captain, crew and ATC.

@shawnerz98 2 года назад

If I had to guess, I would say that when he got the wind shear and increased sink rate, he advanced the trust to generate more lift to keep from touching down too early and/or too hard. It probably was instinctive and that would explain why he didn't remember it. But remember, this is all part of the *legal* record, so who knows what really happened.

@johnyves1246 2 года назад

Having operated 747’s in and out of Kai Tak airport many times in the 90’s, I must admit that this was one of the most difficult approach ( Tegucigalpa being the worst ) in the world. The last turn after the checkerboard was low level and had to be properly anticipated in case of crosswinds. I also add that any slight deviation , including of course any EGPWS warning would mandate an immediate go around. The China Airline accident was always on our minds….

@Jakobly 2 года назад

if he had his hand on the thrust levers, he probably moved them forward a bit when they landed

@commerce-usa 2 года назад

Based upon the chart shown in the video, it sure looks that way. Understandably missed, given the huge amount of activity probably going on with just keeping the aircraft on the runway. Just glad no one was lost.

@williamharshman9572 2 года назад

Bumpy landing maybe ripple effect from the body to the throttle. That's just a guess on my part as I am not a pilot and not familiar with the controls.

@Tsukuyomi28 2 года назад

@@williamharshman9572 I'm not a pilot and am familiar with the controls. Sounds about right.

@williamharshman9572 2 года назад

@@Tsukuyomi28 ..am not familiar with the controls...fixed it 4 ya. :-))

@BillPalmer 2 года назад

But, to deploy the thrust reverser, the thrust levers must be at IDLE. Then you reach forward and pull up on the reverse levers. If he inadvertently bumped the thrust levers forward, the reverser levers won’t lift up and the reversers would not deply until the main body of the thrust levers are back a IDLE.

@richardmccarthy9580 2 года назад

A definite treat ! A reminder of the “gold old days” of Kai Tak. I recall there were few air bridges so elevator buses carrying many passengers would transport from the terminal and lift up to the airplane entrance

@rpavlik1 2 года назад

Oh man, that's like the old days at Dulles with the "mobile lounges" that looked like Star Wars vehicles.

@Banom7a 2 года назад

i personally prefer airport busses iver airbridges because I can took picture with the plane on the apron :)

@remiltonsilveira7314 2 года назад

Candy for the algorithm

@DonnaChamberson 2 года назад

Penis for the algorithm also. 👏🎃💃🏼

@zhoufang996 2 года назад

I feel like the plane's controls should have more of an allowance for accidental nudges or give an audible signal when this happens. There's a fair number of accidents due to some nudge or other on the controls leading to automatic systems disengaging without the pilots noticing.

@millomweb 2 года назад

These controls should not have disengaged unless TOGA button pressed.

@millomweb 2 года назад

@@micaheiber1419 F/O noticed the problem - and then BOTHERED the captain with this info while the captain was fully occupied with keeping the plane on the runway. Surely the F/O is enough of a pilot to know what's going on - and should have used his initiaiative to re-activate those systems immediately. The captain having his hand on the thrust levers was really the mistake - probably blocking the F/O from taking action re thrust reversal.

@00muinamir 2 года назад

Most of the incidents where a lack of clear signaling contributed to an accident have been corrected by adding a signal. But adding signals for throttle changes seems like the wrong approach compared to something simpler, like having the PM double check the throttle.

@Gingerharry2011 2 года назад

@@millomweb it’s a crm thing I would say. You have pilot flying and pilot monitoring. If the monitoring pilots just does something, then there is the potential for something else to be missed or mistakes made

@millomweb 2 года назад

@@Gingerharry2011 It's a matter of task-sharing. PF focusses on direction, PM focusses on speed and controls it - by setting thrust levers, spoilers, flaps and landing gear.

@maxhugen 2 года назад

I flew into Kai Tak airport in the late '80s, and it's truly awesome - looking at buildings above the jet as it banks into the final approach! About 2 months after my flight, another jet went off the end of the runway, but not a 747. Don't think there were any deaths from it either.

@karllung2649 2 года назад

That is CAAC 301, old Trident, and happened on August 31, 1988, when weather was also bad. 7 people perished in that incident.

@jdjeep98 2 года назад

In '92, I flew into Kai Tak a couple times in 747s (passenger). I could have sworn that our wingtip was going to pick up the neon signs on the buildings below! Yikes!

@IlikeSpicyNoodles 2 года назад

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@iridiumcaptain 2 года назад

The speed brakes provide most of their stopping power on the ground by spoiling lift and transferring more of the aircraft's weight to its wheels. This allows the wheel brakes to transfer more kinetic energy into heat and stop the aircraft.

@Syclone0044 2 года назад

Oh wow I never realized that. It’s like how a race car 🏎 has a spoiler exerting 1 Ton of downforce to give an F1 car’s tires much higher grip at speed.

@oliverlane4050 2 года назад

From a passenger perspective, I do miss Kai Tak. I remember in the mid 90s sitting in the cockpit of a British Airways Boeing 747 landing into Kai Tak, it was absolutely incredible to have the privilege to witness!

@j2simpso 2 года назад

Kai Tak was arguably the finest airport in the world. Amazing approaches and views for both landing and take off, only London City comes close IMHO.

@jamessimms415 2 года назад

The approaches to 13 L & 13 R @ JFK should be included

@schalkloots6988 2 года назад

In situations like this when the pilots are under severe workload it is easy to make such a mistake. Fractions of seconds to react make the difference if a disaster is avoided or not. I was a pilot myself and I would not blame these pilots for the outcome of this landing. They managed the approach in a professional way. Modern aircraft are equipped with all these safety me sures but it can also account for accidents if the pilots are not fully aware of the aircraft's sophysticated outocorrect features.

@ED-es2qv 2 года назад

I’m no pilot, but when you run off the end of the runway because you took long to brake, I don’t know who to blame

@Paultimate7 2 года назад

" I was a pilot myself and I would not blame these pilots for the outcome of this landing." Bitch they are TRAINED for this. If you cannot handle it get out of the job, I can only hope you do not fly again with that lazy-ass out you made for yourself.

@beverleymarcum7600 2 года назад

That captain saved all the lives of those on board due to the fact that he refused to go around. Due to weather conditions the pilot determined to put that airliner down on the center line(no small feat due to weather conditions). Both pilots in my book are heros and deserve recognition not negative revues on this.

@wolfgangwust5883 2 года назад

In 1997 I have been sitting on a jumpseat behind the pilot (my wife being a flight attendant on that very flight, me PAD) of a Lufthansa 747-400, landing in Hongkong. Man, that was scary. You could look into people's livingroom.

@ederss7 2 года назад

Boeing's design at its best: slightly move the throttles after touch down, spoilers retract automatically; press TOGA or manually advance the levers when going around, spoilers remain up.

@scottd9448 2 года назад

I flew into that airport as an 18 year old. Amazing to experience.

@clivehutt2709 2 года назад

Hong Kong was my home for many years and I was fortunate enough to know the Cathay crews in those days. I was lucky enough to in the jump seat into runway 13 and the pilots always flew manually with the hands on the throttles.

@HimanshuShekhar1 2 года назад

I have fond memories of landing and taking off from Kai Tak Hongkong airport when i was growing up. It was really exciting every time during landing

@pibbles-a-plenty1105 2 года назад

My take is the captain had become inured to his emotional states when executing difficult landings. He was unaware of his strong desire to go around although he had decided to complete the landing. He nudged the throttle forward as an impulse of fear commanded his response to the situation. A sorry state of affairs for a highly experienced pilot. But it can happen to the best of them.

@margaretlee5078 2 года назад

The graphics in this in are amazing!

@someonestolemyname 2 года назад

I live in Hong Kong myself but wasn't born early enough to witness that scene, but hearing from my parents they have always talked about how the planes are so close you can nearly touch the landing gears on the roof of the buildings. Another thing they have talked about is the noise, since those are residential buildings below the glide slope they always have airplanes thundering right above their head. I think the reception of the closing of the airport is quite mixed here though, despite bringing a lot of trouble to them.

@c182SkylaneRG 2 года назад

When I was in High School, I started seeing all the old pictures of planes on approach into this airport, and my dream at the time was to become a 747 pilot and get a route into that airport, because that challenging approach looked like a LOT of fun! A few years later I realized that airport was closed when I was 3 yrs old. :( With the recent retirement of 747s from airline service, I'd probably only be halfway there through normal career advancement, anyway. Unfortunately, I never managed to get into commercial aviation because Dad figured out what a terrible financial experience it would be, so I'm an Engineer. Much better pay, much better work-life balance, much better job security, but a more boring job with not nearly as nice of a view.

@sunnyc8900 2 года назад

I miss Kai Tak. In addition to the exciting landing, it was an international airport where one could be back home in our (tiny) HK apartment in less than 30 min after landing close to midnight, when traffic was light. Imagine landing at 11:30pm, and getting ready for bed just past midnight. No check in luggage of course, just a cabin bag. Today's Singapore Changi comes closest. About 50min. Like many modern airports the walk from the plane through the auto turnstiles and to the taxi area is a long long walk.

@mortified776 2 года назад

I remember this crash well! (Was living in HK at the time)

@JackRainfield 2 года назад

We landed at Kai Tak during a strong thunderstorm in 1994 on an international flight from Anchorage, Alaska. Our pilot did five go arounds before successfully landing on the sixth attempt. He talked to us during each go around and he would say in a very calm voice, "We're going to do this until we get it right so don't worry". After the third or fourth try my two year son, who normally did great on flights, was vomiting. It was definitely white knuckle time and an unforgettable memory. Also our first trip to China via Hong Kong.

@optician53 2 года назад

Wow ... thanks for sharing!

@JackRainfield 2 года назад

@@optician53 You're welcome!

@Epck 2 года назад

I could never have enough aviation incident reports...ty

@K1OIK 2 года назад

ty?

@duditon1 2 года назад

Thank You

@aroopghosh1381 2 года назад

Reverse thrust has to be activated manually. Spoilers do when weight is detected by the landing gears .

@legordian 2 года назад

I think the explanation is confusing autobreak with the reversers. Autobreak activates the wheel breaks upon touchdown. The spoilers deploy automatically if they were armed which not only creates drag, but by disrupting the airflow over the wing it destroys lift, making the wheel brakes more effective. Reversers need to be deployed manually and it seems they were forgotten in the stress of trying to keep the plane on centerline. Also, when the throttles are advanced, the autobrake disengages the wheelbrake (not the reversers) and the spoilers retract. The reversers need to be disengaged manually (seperate levers on and forward of the throttle levers). -You can (and often should) advance the throttles with reversers engaged, that's what gives you the reverse thrust. Maybe he thought that he already selected the reversers and wanted to increase reverse thrust...?- Edit: That was wrong, see below :)

@PhD63 2 года назад

@@legordian You don’t increase reverse thrust by moving the throttles forward. You increase reverse thrust by moving the reverse thrust levers from the reverse idle to max reverse positions, which actually is a rearwards movement.

@legordian 2 года назад

@@PhD63 Fixed, thank you :)

@PhD63 2 года назад

@@legordian you’re welcome ☺️.

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@surfeit5910 2 года назад

Anyone who's driven a manual transmission and shifted gears while on a rough road knows how much trouble a slight bump can cause you to move that shifter into position. Imagine this on a scale of a 747 with turbulence and windshear as well as touchdown. His body obviously lurched forwards when the plane touched the ground and the speed dropped. Then he had to keep the plane from tumbling off the runway in the weather. You can hardly blame him for "nudging" the controls since that was a matter of physics, and not clumsiness.

@geoffbarry9540 2 года назад

Went into and out of Kai Tek en route back to Australia in 1998. I think we were on the very last plane put (early June) and almost didn't make it as a typhoon front swept in behind us. The landing was amazing - daylight and flying the high rises...

@deanharvey1468 2 года назад

Remember going to Hong Kong pre Handover and arriving and leaving from Kai Tak. Amazing route in. Distinctly recall on leaving the pilot saying they needed to use all the runway as "we're running a little heavy today..."

@jerryofsanfrancisco 2 года назад

I have landed at the old airport. Scary. Glad to have experienced the new airport!

@barrygower6733 2 года назад

I landed several times at Kai Tak. The approach was akin to riding the 747 down the streets of Hong Kong.

@steveg5122 2 года назад

I think the nuts might have been because the plane was a little unstable and he got jostled in the seat. Causing his arm to move forward a little bit

@Kickback-dm7zt 2 года назад

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@c128stuff 2 года назад

I landed there the same day, its really strange when landing at an airport (and what a landing this was, spectacular and scary) while being able to see the clear evidence of that not always working out right in front of you. Thank you for all the background information, very detailed and well researched as usual. Cool how you covered all 3 accidents of which I either saw the direct aftermatch (Fokker crash near Moerdijk in the Netherlands, and this one) or to which I was witness (El Al 747 crash in Amsterdam Bijlmer area) in a matter of a few months, each time with lots of details I wasn't aware of. As an aside, using 747s on that route, and for example also on the Tokyo and Bangkok routes, was really very common, those routes were and probably still are extremely busy, and at the time, there wasn't a real alternative for a 747 for the capacity needed.

@wafikiri_ 2 года назад

That nudge on the throttles could have been inertial: the plane is slightly decelerated the moment it touches down, but the pilot's arm is not.

@the_bottomfragger 2 года назад

Great one. I don't know how long after touchdown he engaged the throttle slightly but is it possible he did that as a correction for landing, not realising they would touch the ground immediately anyway? But damn, glad noone lost their life. A plane not stopping before the end of the runway used to be a fear of mine while flying.

@NaftaliKlein 2 года назад

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@FutureSystem738 2 года назад

I absolutely loved landing at KaiTak. I have landed 767’s, and then later 747’s there many times. I didn’t regard it as dangerous except in extreme weather- but of course ANY airport can be dangerous in the wrong weather. I actually landed a 747 there a few days after that accident, and saw the 747 moored like a ship, minus its tail of course. 😂 The captain was probably task saturated, but I am afraid the sad fact is that he stuffed up.

@milimuller3348 2 года назад

Was making food when watching this, took a glimps at 0:56 when he said "this unusal approach gave us some truly breathtaking images" and thought at first that the plane was inverted and lost my shit 😂😂

@melaniecampbell3509 2 года назад

Showing love from St Louis Missouri I don't know how I ran across this channel but I have been binge-watching it for the past week or so

@DNTMEE 2 года назад

The nudge probably happened when the plane touched down on the runway. That bump could have caused the captains arm to move slightly forward. That, and the turbulence masked the movement such that the captain didn't even notice it.

@pascalcoole2725 2 года назад

I have doen Kai-Tak many times on the 767 FFS back in the 90's. It sure was a challenging aiport but with some experiens under normal circumstances it was something a well trained pilot coud do. However given the situation (mountains, high buildings ground temp variations) one can expect violent wind changes and windshears. Those are conditions to stay away from such an airport. Following the story i think the PF did as good as possible althoug he'd beter had choosen for the option. Automation is meant to reduce the workload, but does not release the crew from monitoring (which the F/O indeed did) Still it seems that there was a glitch in the procedure. It was an expensive writeoff as the airplane was only three months old.

@neurocidesakiwi 2 года назад

I got to sit in the cockpit on a Cathy pacific 747 on landing and take off at this airport. Was amazing. It was ages ago. Easy, 20 odd years ago

@christophermcnally8782 2 года назад

I have a friend that left Hong Kong 2 or 3 days after this happened. He has a great shot of the plane in the water after it had been towed away from the end of the runway.

@paulloveless4122 2 года назад

Could you do a behind the scenes video showing how you do simulations/rendering and maybe your research process?

@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 2 года назад

Definitely

@paulloveless4122 2 года назад

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation you answered before I could add: maybe also talk about your hardware and software if possible? Thanks man!

@adigyran 2 года назад

this is msfs2020

@GedMaybury23 2 года назад

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation This one is astounding! The graphics are impeccable! Big jump in quality. Well done!

@mthompson965 2 года назад

“Luckily, no one was injured” -Lucas

@stanislavkostarnov2157 2 года назад

just to say, the modern runway in Haneda Tokyo International Airport (the one that was built to expand the airport for the Olympics) has an approach that is visually sort of similar, though the reason is to avoid traffic conflict with the other runway traffic & the second big international airport (Tokyo-Narita) rather than the mountains... especially in certain wind conditions, you see planes aligning for the final turn very low right over the bayside skyscrapers of the New-CBD area of Shinagawa.

@BillPalmer 2 года назад

Do you mean the LDA for 16L? That has a westerly approach path, with a turn at the end for a curved visual path after the MDA.Kinda fun but nowhere near as close as KaiTek (thank goodness!)

@stanislavkostarnov2157 2 года назад

@@BillPalmer I think that's the one I mean... have not flown down it yet, but, looking up at it from below looks very impressive....

@johngrey5806 2 года назад

Is it possible that the captain nudged the throttle at the moment wheen the plane touched down? If the landing was a bit hard, it could push the people down, and the captain's hand on the throttle forward.

@jimmysmith8231 2 года назад

I had a friend who's plane landed just before this one did - he said it was the scariest landing he has ever been on as the plane was rocked by Ira's winds

@northefletcher5044 2 года назад

If the pilot had his hands on the throttle leavers (as you should in case of emergency) the fast descent from the wind shear could have caused a slight forward jerk as they hit the runway, the pilot probably would have nudged the throttle without even realising it because he was thrown forward in his seat already.

@TracyH13 2 года назад

Trick or treat?! Great job, as always - thank you 🛩💙🛩

@slagarcrue85 2 года назад

That’s the amazing and terrifying thing about the nature. It can beautiful but it can be insanely unpredictable. When things go wrong and chaotic they can go that way quickly and drastically intensify sometimes.

@ReflectedMiles 2 года назад

09:05 Just to be clear, here--no, the pilots were not just fighting to keep the plane on the runway due to the strong winds and that's why they missed power management. They were fighting to land an airplane that the captain had configured to fly instead, however unintentionally it may have been. This doesn't result from "a tiny nudge"--this requires the levers to be left in, or moved to, at least a partial-power state rather than back at idle. Presumably he thought the reversers were deployed or would deploy. They didn't even touch down for over 2,000 ft. past the runway's displaced threshold. Actively managing and monitoring the throttle quadrant is a basic part of flying, and especially landing, particularly when a go-around is likely or, as in this case, is mandatory after the windshear warnings and glideslope deviations experienced on final approach. Obviously, mandatory items were not being completed, including effective PF/PM coordination. The strong winds were just a contributing factor.

@h5mind373 2 года назад

It's possible the sudden unexpected descent from wind shear caused the captain to instinctively add power to compensate.

@LesSharp 2 года назад

I landed at Kai Tak 24h after that accident, on the same CI flight from TPE. They were recovering the aircraft from the water with cranes as we landed. I thought to myself, that might be the second time some of those people have swum ashore in Hong Kong. It turned out I'd said it out loud. Oh well.

@ohnoohyeah3205 2 года назад

I watch this channel every time on the way to the airport. Makes it a little scary.

@EQINOX187 2 года назад

I understand why adding power would disable the reverse thrusts and spoilers but if they are doing a go around they would usually go full power or close, so you would think the system would be able to detect a nudge ( small addition to power ) to the throttle and disregard it

@crai-crai 2 года назад

It's a bit like tapping the brakes to disengage your car's cruise control, except in this case they disengaged the brakes.

@northseawolf 2 года назад

The aircraft in question was practically brand new when it crashed and was the first 747-400 hull loss incident.

@BunkerFox 2 года назад

Thank you so so much for putting the sponsor at the end of the video.

@plastilinplasti8327 2 года назад

Utter BS. Do you guys even watch the video or just comment? Sponsor for this scam pay to win game shows up at the start too.

@BunkerFox 2 года назад

@@plastilinplasti8327 I meant the big advert for it, not the 4 second sponsorship message at the start. That bit he put at the end a lot of people will have at the start of the video or in the middle, I appreciated him putting it at the end

@palanthis 2 года назад

Throttle up was probably a subconscious reaction to sinking below the glide slope, as the approach is so close to buildings, it could easily get you in the mindset of needing to modulate your thrust.

@koharumi1 2 года назад

I feel like a more appropriate sponsor would be world of planes.

@jamessimms415 2 года назад

Flew into Kai Tak Spring 1985 from Bangkok in a 747. Sitting in the right hand window seat, looked out & into a residents apartment while they watched tv.

@josephmassaro 2 года назад

"Well, I certainly hope this little incident hasn't put you off flying. Statistically speaking, of course, it's still the safest way to travel." - Superman

@nativeafroeurasian 2 года назад

For obvious reasons it's easier to survive being in the water with a plane than anything else but a boat

@sailaab 2 года назад

Good to see you growing and getting sponsors too😊

@rpavlik1 2 года назад

Even at the new airport in Hong Kong it's a little terrifying as a passenger. It looks like you're landing on a narrow strip of tarmac surrounded on all sides by ocean.

@jpp9876 2 года назад

Wind shear can drop a plane out of the sky. He was landing under a great amount of stress.

@engineer_cat 2 года назад

As other people are saying, if you have a bumpy landing with a hand on the throttles, it's not surprising they'd get accidentally nudged. In any case, have some candy! 🍬🍭🍫🎃

@SushruthSivaramakrishnan 2 года назад

Super! Was waiting for this to watch on Sunday!

@Medic91101 2 года назад

Another good one, great graphics. 🖒😎 *Possible idea for episodes. Accident after aborted rescue of Iranian hostages. That plane that crashed in the pacific recently, crew rescued by USCG. Think it was a cargo 737...not certain.

@Direkin 2 года назад

I remember this when it happened. And yes, seeing those planes so low to the ground was quite something.

@reneedaniel2881 2 года назад

Happy Halloween everyone Stay safe🎃👻🍬🍡🍫

@tesfoega 2 года назад

I can imagine that the slight increase in throttle may have been an automatic response to him trying to recover from their slightly lower than expected altitude on short final. He'd have to have sightly pulled back on the controls to slow the decent. But doing that would have reduced their speed which is why you often need to add power especially if you're in a landing situation. It may have been instinctual. -- Oh, I just saw that the throttle increase was when they had already touched down. Hmm. Maybe it was just an accidental nudge after all. 😂

@azuredragonofnether5433 2 года назад

1:05 I beg to differ; It is good that another airport has been opened. The margin of error for the approach at Kai Tak is extremely slim there. The newer one doesn't have as many obstacles as the other one. Sure, it may not look as satisfying as today's approaches, but think of many pilots saving a lot effort for that. It would be like trying to figure out the probability without figuring out the improbability.

@00muinamir 2 года назад

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it was great for planespotters, but if there had ever been an incident there people would have been demanding to know why they hadn't commissioned an airport with a safer approach.

@shitbird9429 2 года назад

Did you hear the couple sentences after that? He says pretty much the same thing you did

@jameskim62 2 года назад

INDECISION of the PILOT ~~~~ Should I STOP or GO Around or STOP or GO Around..... CRUSH !!!!!!

@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS 2 года назад

Crazy man! Awesome vid, nice detailed narration, asking for candy was funny... Happy Halloween! This approach seems unbelievable, like air shows and monster trucks, never direct energy toward people. I know that wasn't a factor in this crash but wow, I wouldn't of wanted to live under that! I did that Halloween Massacre song couple weeks ago, lol..

@Jet-Pack 2 года назад

The reversers are manually controlled and cannot be armed to auto-deploy on any airliner that I know off. You can arm the autobrakes which use the wheel brakes and you can arm the spoilers but not the reverse thrust.

@colinjohnson5515 2 года назад

I think the pilot may have bumped the throttle but ended up making the right call. The conditions were very bad and the plane was on the ground. A go-around would put everyone in the exact same danger again. The crew are doing incredibly challenging work and I would assume anyone could quickly have performance degradation. Crazy expensive to total out a 747 but everyone lived.

@fonesrphunny7242 2 года назад

"Why did he push the throttles? What do you think?" Did he adjust all engines, or just on one side to account for crosswind? When did he adjust the throttles and did it coincide with a gust of wind? What did the approach speed, AOA and sink rate look like in that moment? Do you want an answer or just speculation for viewer engagement?

@darrenwateva6657 2 года назад

thank you for making these videos, its vey much appreciated

@adamantman3200 2 года назад

Halloween candy? DUDE! I have a barrel full. All you have to do is drop by and help yourself!

@erictaylor5462 2 года назад

1:30 It is quite common for Japan Airlines to use 747's on domestic flights that are very short. They do this because the high capacity of these aircraft is needed. I imagine they use these planes here for the same reason.

@kamilhorvat8290 2 года назад

With so many airplane crashes, I'm not sure, if I'll be ever able to fly again. I had no idea, that piloting an airplane is so difficult task and so many thing can go wrong.

@EdgyNumber1 2 года назад

They still run 747s to the edge of China because many pax are on transfer flights. Quick note: China Airlines used to be a bit of a slapdash operation up until the late 90s. The last major accident involved a tail strike and poor maintenance. The insurance companies had enough by this point and told China Airlines to sort themselves out otherwise they wouldn't be covered - thus go out of business. China Airlines is now one of the safest in the world. They need to be renamed Taiwan Airlines to reduce confusion though.