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I was an English teacher a year ago. One of my students was a 23 year old girl who was from Afghenistan. When Shit hit the fan, she left to Ukraine. I can't imagine how much bad luck you can have.
A resident of Nagasaki, Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on business for his employer Mitsubishi Heavy Industries when the city was bombed at 8:15 AM, on 6 August 1945. He returned to Nagasaki the following day and, despite his wounds, he returned to work on 9 August, the day of the second atomic bombing. That morning, while he was being told by his supervisor that he was "crazy" after describing how one bomb had destroyed the city, the Nagasaki bomb detonated.
I deployed twice to Afghanistan, in 2011 and 2013. Like many of us, had dealings with the ANA and ANP. Anyone who spent more than five minutes with them knew that as soon as we (the USA) left the country, it was going to fall apart immediately. Any politician or General who claims otherwise is either blind, lying, or didn't pay attention for the past 20 years.
this. I spent 3.5 years in Afghanistan in total. I told everyone they wouldn't last 3 months. I guess I overestimated them lol. Luckily we got all our terps out of there including 2 right out from under the taliban's nose. Just an ultra corrupt society with a "as god wills it" belief where they take little personal responsibility. If god wanted the Taliban stopped he would stop them... so why should they fight? A lot of people don't realize they really aren't Islamic either. They can't read so they follow more of a "telephone game" version of Islam so they have some pretty twisted beliefs.
I remember when I broke out of the propaganda it was when I was watch bill oriley say Obama caused isis and I rationally remembered how the entire country wanted to abandon Iraq and the afghans we didn’t care about either we just wanted our check balance to look better we truly are a desperate despicable species of vermin
ANA is some of the most incompetent people i have ever met. I worked with them in Sangin in 2010. Never experienced such a high concentration of low IQ before
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Years ago I saw an interview with a western reporter who had covered Afghanistan during the original Taliban government, before 9/11. He'd hired a young Afghan as a guide and translator. So one day this Afghani is driving him somewhere when they got to a roadblock. The Taliban pulled the driver out and beat him bloody, then shoved him back in the car and sent them on their way. The reporter told the guide that he couldn't go on with this if it was going to put him is that kind of danger. The response was 'Oh, it's nothing to do with you. My beard's too short. But then they realized I was only 16 so they let me go.'
there are no clean shaven faces. They're not allowed to shave their beards and in addition they're expected to grow whatever they can grow long as possible. You'll see guys with very thin scraggly beards but they're still long. Anyway, hopefully I'm remembering this correctly.
I'll never forget at a meeting with a local group leader where he said roughly translated "It is only a matter of time before you leave and we win. We only have to wait until then." Nothing could be closer to the truth.
@@derek96720lol except that lesson has been taught in many wars over many centuries. Vietnam was nothing new in that regard, the Americans were not the first invaders to attack a determined resistance, no matter how much Americans like to advertise how "new" Vietnam was, it simply wasn't. The lesson that Vietnam taught was about America, not about war. Vietnam taught the lesson that American wars revolve around election day.
Maybe they should have resisted the Taliban a little more. They had 20 years to pick up a gun and try to fight, but when the US left the Taliban takeover met virtually zero resistance. I think the uncomfortable reality is that most Afghans simply prefer it this way.
You can only do so much as an individual the problem was the US government lacking the will or conviction to build up a strong government. They just wanted a puppet.
It's truly unfortunate. The afghan military and government just stood there and did nothing while the Taliban took over. Everyone in a position of power let the afghan people down, truly spineless.
I was there in a non-combat role with the Army Corps of Engineers 10 years ago. Our primary goal was to facilitate access to utility-level electrical power in a place where even regional electrical infrastructure...doesn't exist. It wasn't a question of fixing, or expanding something - in most cases it was building a simple power grid where one had never existed. Which isn't particularly difficult, nor expensive (from our perspective), yet all we ever saw was stops, bottlenecks, and the ever-present requirement to bribe the proper people before anyone would agree to do anything. Usually the guy you just bribed turns out to be the guy you had to bribe to get the name of REAL guy you need to bribe. I thought I had a decent idea of what the world looked like, having been around a little bit, but Afghanistan was a different thing entirely. I still can't quite wrap my head around what I saw or how it worked, and reading about the chaos that replaced that incomprehensible mess only manages to bum me out. I had at one point felt like maybe I was making a small difference. Maybe making the world a little better by facilitating access to some of the basic amenities we so often take for granted to some of the poorest and conflict-scarred people on the planet. I just try not to think about it too often now.
I'm certain that for someone, for a while at least, what you did made a difference. In all likelihood, the time they had infrastructure, thanks to you and others, is now a bright spot in their memories to help them keep going. And who knows? Maybe that'll remind them of what they could have and make them realize they don't have to take this standing. Long odds, but... not impossible. Take heart, you worked to make people's lives better, that's worth being proud of.
I did your line of work back in the 80s . Trade Honduras with Afghanistan and that's my story too. The bribes and corruption were insane. You realize some places won't ever change, and while you begin to grasp that, the suits in Washington never will . They have a very stained look at how the world really works . It's hard . You want to think you are helping but it's limited to votes and political bragging rights . We put up a small grid in a few towns and criminals moved in, kicked out the locals and used the area to run drugs . If that was Washington's intent( and looking back on it I'm not so sure it wasn't) then I guess it was a good mission .
I’m so sorry you wasted your time - especially since you were trying to help and it was all for nothing … you probably got paid well for it too which is the real tragedy
For the men and women who served ,... Just remember this at least , you all tried , you actually did something which is far more than most people in the world will ever do.
After 20 years active duty service and another 10 as a DoD contractor, seeing that C5 leave Afghanistan with bodies falling off made me realize exactly how Vietnam vets felt seeing the helos on the roof of the embassy in Saigon.
When me and my guys were there in 2011 - 2012 within a few days we knew right off the bat that when we split for good that entire country was going to roll back a few hundred yrs. The day the news hit I had to leave work because I couldnt see straight I was so angry, my friends died there, i bled there and now we are just up and leaving? The feeling of utter betrayal and it was "all for nothing" made me puke in the shop, i couldnt concentrate and was on the verge of flipping shit so I left for the day. Ive been burned a few times by the chain of command but this was something else that I will never forget or let go.
If it makes you feel better, more of the average guy here in the USA is becoming aware that these establishment polticians and those in military high commamd are full of it.
I work with a lot of Afghans and it is really sad. Especially for the women, I can't imagine how a father would want to raise a daughter in such a country. Some may not know better, but I have met some hardcore misogynists and Muslims who STILL say they left the country for the sake of their daughter/wife/sister/etc. The degree to which women are mistreated is not exaggerated at all.
@@NeoN-PeoNtoo busy fighting the 50.04% -49.96% pay gap to acknowledge actual problems. Also they aren’t white so they must be good guys, just misunderstood, right?
@@NeoN-PeoN What is mostly ignored? This statement is completely meaningless. It has no specifics. "The West" isn't even a place. It is many countries with completely different rules and culture. It's like if I just called China and Russia "the East" when one is basically European. Completely different places. Knowing today's internet though, you are probably a bot or just astroturfing.
@@ThunderStruck15 My point is that I don't understand how someone could willingly have children and raise them knowing their fate, not that they are victims. I did not say that. Actually some of the mothers I've seen in interviews said they hope they don't have any daughters. Very sad.
I got out of Afghanistan shortly before the withdrawal and I'm ashamed that the year of my life I gave up to that deployment ended up amounting to absolutely nothing
How many brothers and sisters took their lives due to this issue here. Shame of service to lies is a HUGE problem. The military will crucify an individual for losing a rifle yet the powers that be gave and entire theatre arsenal to the enemy and NOBODY got in trouble. Imagine the slap in the face that gives to every service member. Imagine how we actually feel towards the sheep that voted for the people that did this crap.
You tried to help, but some people won't help themselves. I think it's a cultural/theological thing. You gave them 20 years to get back on their feet but they didn't have the gumption.
I remember seeing films of women wearing jeans and attending school in the 1970s before the Soviet invasion. It could have been a film of a US or European university. This tells me that modern society is very vulnerable to extreme reversal if the wrong people get in charge.
Its almost like our modern society is inherently unnatural and therfore requires constant effort and oversight in order to be maintained. There are no right or wrong people to have in charge, the idea of needing anyone in charge has just been so heavily brainwashed into the human population over centuries that the definition of "civil service" has essentially been reversed
@@ahmedfarouk-ps9fh open a history book from any country really and read up on what communism did to its civilians or idk look outside and see the missiles flying and the taliban raping
Working with someone who has family in Afghanistan it has been terrible to see the change in his mood and emotional state as his family becomes ever more repressed, with a great deal of fear for his sisters. He wanted to go back but his family said that if he did it wouldn't change anything and in fact him being in the West for so long might only make them more of a target (assuming he has money).
As someone who fought in the home area of Muhammad Omar in panjway Kandahar in 2011/12, we all knew then it was going to end this way. We openly talked about how the only way it would be stable would be for us to stay forever because we had been paying off warlords, most of the afghan local police were taliban, a decent number of the afghan army as well
But also, different areas of Afghanistan have been vastly different for some time. The “Freedoms” you speak of were mostly in the north, Kandahar they almost never existed and I never saw a woman not in a burqa/niqab
That's why trumps withdrawal plan would of left a contingent behind that if attacked would allowed for recommencement of hostility against the Taliban and peace for all others. Joe f...Ed that in the a.$
I spent a year in Afghanistan. Pretty much anyone who deployed there quickly learned two things; the US would be there simply until we decide to leave, and within a month of the US leaving the government in Kabul would not exist.
My city has taken in Afghan refugees (soldiers). They were given free housing for a year, and a job at a factory (didn't require much English). They have a far better life now then they could ever have dreamed of back home.
well obviously. The US wanted to prop up a weak Afghani nation and allied itself with corrupt sell outs. There were plenty of Afghani men made of Steel that the US could have promoted into positions of power, but making a strong country that could potential say no to the West in the future was never the goal. You cannot expected young men to die for a corrupt nation.
trump made the deal with the Taliban to pull American troops out and returning the Country back to them. When will open a resort in Afghanistan. It definitely coming!
Please read: This botched withdrawal led me, and many others, to get out of the military. I'll never forget it. Seeing those normal 11 Marines, 1 Sailor and 1 Soldier be killed while the President & Generals basically threw it under the rug was a lot of service-members last straw. I remember being angry at work that some of the senior leaders in our workstation, like our CO, didn't even mind addressing it. The 2 female Marines killed actually attended my same college (although I did not know them personally). It still felt personal and I felt very guilty when I graduated. We were all Marines at the same time, but their card was pulled for tragedy and they don't get to be here and enjoy what their full lives could have been. These people helped babies, evacuated desperate locals, held security posts, and tried their best in every way. They are the embodiment of good people and Marines. They weren't there to "kill brown people" or "stack bodies". They were there following half-baked orders to help evacuate by an incompetent administration. Marine LtCol Scheller, a decorated combat Marine serving in USMC HQ, was kicked out with a full loss of benefits, by order of Biden & SECDEF for speaking out against this botched loss. Please additionally watch the Marine Sniper who testified to Congress. You'll really understand what I am saying. Rest easy and Semper Fi Marines. You never failed your mission or legacy, but the government surely failed you.
And Joe Biden looked at his watch at least four times when those caskets were brought past him. No c-in-c in the history of our country would have done that. Yet there are people out there who would actually vote for him again. Absolutely disgusting.
Half-baked logic. It was more stable with the US military occupying than it is now. Large occupying-force withdrawals are supposed to be careful and structured. Not seemingly overnight. Anyone who knows that region knows that the ANA & ANP are undisciplined/poorly trained. Leaving so abruptly created a vacuum that un-did any "progress" we had in the region. The US government didn't really plan it out effectively from a tactical standpoint. They planned it as an evacuation, instead of a withdrawal. That's literally why it went so terribly and why we're watching a video about it right now... On the other hand, the Afghan people have routinely shown that they don't want to actually fight back for their freedom and they're a part of the problem too. @@myahsoodinim8570
@@myahsoodinim8570 Why not have none of them die if they withdraw in a safe manner? Or... stay and complete the mission of a stable Afghanistan, so those who make the sacrifice aren't making it for nothing? Both courses of action are way better than what was done. On a side note, releasing the names of the Afghans who worked with us to the Taliban was akin to mass murdering one's own friends. Why defend the undefendable?
It became a total shit show when the local population refused to fight and their forces turned out to be untrustworthy. When a people won’t fight for themselves, you can’t help them.
to be bluntly... its like the rainbow people recently coming out with rainbow themed pali flags. neither cultures are compatible. but only one side pushes the issue while the other just uses it to their short term victory. people are not blind as a whole.
@@fsdfsdfsd4561Just desserts. They wanted us out, they got it. Not our fault they suck at actually fighting and they found out their Taliban buddies were far worse. They can fend for themselves.
@@chasel.9704 You said it so i didnt have to lol. Tired of the US catching flak for being there, now its gone to shit as everyone expected when we wiped our hands, and its still somehow our fault.
I find myself remembering all the people of meet in the last decade or so, who would protest the war in Afghanistan and say “the imperialist Americans want to make that country unlivable.” I’ve met them since, and some are in disbelief that the Taliban, a terrorist group, would terrorize the Afghan population. Unbelievable.
Yeah, one thing America has been terrible at ever since its independance, is propaganda. It tries to paint itself as the good guy which is an image that falls apart the moment it has to anything even remotely shady - which, as a capitalist democracy is inevitable since there will always be those who abuse freedom with malicious intent and those who climb to office on the payslip of corperations. What most do instead is rather than painting themselves as the good guys, they paint the others as the bad guys - letting the implication of the fact you're fighting them speak for you. Since the U.S.A tries to be so active on the world stage as a champion of human rights, its enemies have a free pass to sit back and point out when U.S.A gets it wrong without having to actually do anything themselves or propose solutions (which could be subject to criticism) since they aren't the 'world police' - that's America's job. Instead they wait for their chance to appear as the 'lesser of two evils' and take control. Then, once they've taken over they can eliminate their opposition who have exposed themselves and grown dispondant after failing even with the support of a global superpower. If anything, U.S.A makes the perfect foil for every rotten autocracy; their intervention and failure to impliment ideals like liberty and equality allows those ideals to be portrayed as dogwhistles for traitors/shills who want the country to become an American puppet. The domestic government no longer has to address the morality of repression and tribalism when they are juxtaposed as domestic values vs the false promises of invaders. Then there's the American people, as a western European I'm similar; we've been removed from real conflict for so long our hearts have softened. Show someone a picture of a toddler turned mincemeat as collateral damage from an American/European bomb and they will react emotionally and just want it to stop. They view war itself as the enemy because, for those who've never experienced the alternative, the cost of fighting evil is too hard to stomach.
Staying in Afghanistan long-term was a lost cause. After 20 years the Afghan forces should have been able to stand on their own. Trillions of dollars and thousands of lives wasted.
I don't know if the efforts and resources were "wasted", but it's unfortunate that the Afghani people, president, military, and political bodies immediately folded like a fuggin' card table. It's a sign that NOTHING would keep the Taliban from taking over. Nothing. Twenty years of cushioning, education, support, etc. was plenty. Wouldn't have mattered if it was ten, thirty, nor fifty. Even the Taliban claimed that it was always going to take over no matter how long they had to wait. 💪😎✌️ Now THAT'S power, baby!
It gave them 20 years to see what their options were. It changes how you feel about the world. They are a more unhappy society, and they will pass the unhappiness about the Taliban with them.
Something I never really thought about in my 40 years of life but have since watching this is how lucky we truly are to be born in countries where we have ability to watch RU-vid. It's only by chance, at birth we are born into a wealthy family or a working class family. Not only do I feel for the locals that are enduring this but the service men and women that fought so long to just walk away, the thousands of people that spent the time to try to make the place something better... all that time, money, effort and the blood that's been spilled for what? It's such a sad world we live in
Yea. I imagine life was like that for most throughout much of history too. I'm quite pessimistic, but I think a dose of optimism is good too. I don't see how this situation can realistically improve, but many aspects of life today is better than a few centuries ago, so who knows. In due time, things will change, and while some change has certainly been bad, lots of change has been good too. We may not live to see people live happily in Afghanistan, but it can become that way in the future. Until then, just try your best. Our best is all we can really do.
Ya in the US things are not too bad. I used to think we had it much worse than Europe. I moved to Germany (dual citizenship) and worked their for a while and had the same problems. Even though medical in the US is much more expensive, the cost of living and taxes countered it. It wasn't till I spent time in the Czech Republic for 2 months that I realized how good I had it in the other 2 countries. Internet was meh, tv meh, and even though I was on the same salary as in Germany everything was dirt cheap and learned they don't earn barely anything. A carton of cigarettes was about 15 euros and in Germany 50 -60 euros, a steak dinner was about 6 euros, any restaurant in US or Germany would have been $30 -$40. The thing that got me was a car costed about the same in that county $25k for a cheap new car so they really couldn't afford to buy it in Czech. That trip humbled me and even though I still become pessimistic as well I just think back on places I've traveled around the world and am grateful I have the life I have.
Whats crazy is only 2,400 some odd servicemen died in Afghanistan between 2001-2021, and only 20,000 some odd wounded. That's not very many people considering how many years we spent there, it's awful true, but over 2000 people died in 9/11. The people who truly are probably feeling it the most are the Afghani people who enjoyed many freedoms prior to America pulling out due to peer pressure from home as well as other countries complaining they were still there, then they cried when they left too like they hadn't been trying to pressure them to leave for decades.
I've worked with the UN in Africa. Any aid sent into Afghanistan will strengthen the Taliban's iron grip on leadership. Barely 20% of funds from UN actually makes its way to those in need. The other 80%? sitting in the accounts/warehouses of the warlords. In this case, in the pockets of the Taliban leaders
Our leaders know this they always have its called a proxy war the goal of our government was never to help anyone cheyney wanted to build a pipeline through iraq we wanted the middle easts oil and mineral deposits which is one reason why we never touched the saudis even though they did 911 because they have the economic and political power to protect their resources they pretty much control global oil sales if we cared about people we wouldn't have millions of homeless, tent cities and the better part of 100k people a year dying because they cant afford healthcare hell one of the largest groups of people that end up homeless are our veterans that's for a reason
My kids (now young adults) and families in Afghanistan (I met in 2012) have told me the same that aid is going to Taliban and their families. The Taliban are living well while other ethnic groups are starving and unable to get jobs.
Afghanistan in 1967-68 was amazing! The most hospitable people I've ever met. Traveling as a hash smoking hippy, I never paid for a meal the entire time. Had endless cups of tea with an endless stream of smiling folks whom I couldn't understand and they couldn't understand me. Afghanistan was the highlight of the so-called hippy trail. Sad how different it is now.
@@oussamawm3181 And what were they doing for hundreds of years before we showed up…? Read a history book before you comment, you’ll save a ton of time and embarrassment
women, admit that under Russia, they had more freedom than ever before. There were women doctors, women judges, women in all the professions. Now, and under the US, that freedom Russia gave women never returned.
nope, there was an entire generation of women who had access to education and careers during under ISAF only to have it all taken away over night.@@kittymervine6115
8:48 Well, Brain Boy, Every once in a while I remember this one particular little girl in Afghanistan. She had been on a school bus (a van, really) with all of the other kids, on her way to school, when the Taliban stopped the bus and took her off it. They then proceeded to carve her face with a hunting knife. She lived, but she was permanently scarred in many ways. One of these scars was the pain that comes with the understanding that she was doomed to be a pariah; doomed to live her life as an outcast, and, most likely, staying single and childless in a community that values those things highly. In other words, the Taliban took the rest her life from her despite the fact that they "only" used the knife on her face. They carved her face so badly that she now looks like her (otherwise beautiful) face was put together using pieces from a jigsaw puzzle. When I met her, she was five years old... ...with a permanently carved-up face... ...as a "lesson" to any other girls... ...to any other girls, and to their parents, who also might have been considering committing such a heinous Sin Against God... ...such a horrible, unforgivable, Crime... ...as being a little girl going to school... ...to learn her f'n ABCs. Yeah, they're probably all fine.
horrible truly, am appalled by how they call themselves Muslims yet turn around and do everything against islam teachings. I wish the muslim world would intervene and reign them in, cuz my god this is horrible.
The Muslim world endorses this. You're a liar. Islam is not a religion, it's an invasive political ideology seeking to turn the world into an ethnostate.
Thank you for covering this. I was deployed and in the thick of it in 2012 but they never have the after effect. And it makes me sad like we wasted so much for it to actually get worse.
I deployed to Asskrackistan three times, 2004, 2008 & 2012. We knew, as early as 2004, whenever the U.S Military departs the country would dissolve, despite the continued glowing reports we’d hear from the senior level leaders. I heard one person state “We spent gobs of taxpayer money on civil projects, and none of it has made a difference.” Watching the debacle of the military retreat was embarrassing, my friend wouldn’t have lost his life if our leaders had the internal fortitude to actually be leaders instead of political tools.
Not even slightly comparable. Ukraine actually had a functioning state and a strong national identity and when russia leaves they will not just fall apart
@@joelwieland1767The point where it is comparable is that they will not continue to exist the moment we are exhausted with support and turn off the tap. Also calling any post-Soviet state 'functioning' and not a corruption riddled oligarchic mess is insane.
@@stoneygreek not really the same AT ALL. stop thinking you are clever by believing the BD people feed you. don't trust the government, and don't trust those opposed to the government. it's all political machinations and you are parroting political rhetoric.
Thank you for this important video! I have a young friend, who likes to call me "Mom", who is one of the interpreters who got left behind. For nearly two years, after he got cut off from the media, I didn't know whether I was praying for his safety or the repose of his soul. He's finally back in touch and alive! But that poor boy's been through Hell! There are so many urgent needs to pray for in this messed-up world, but if anyone reads this who is of a praying persuasion, please spare a prayer for my "son", Ikram! We're trying to figure out some way to get him out of there.
He isn't in danger. Everyone expected a bloodbath when the US left, but it didn't happen. The Taliban aren't hunting anyone down. UN monitoring confirms that.
My ex, an American, worked for a long time in Afghanistan to establish a real banking system. She and her coworkers had to live in a guarded house and travel back and forth to work with armed guards. All of their work has gone for naught and she doesn’t know the fate of the Afghans they worked with.
That's how it goes. A country that doesn't want democracy, humane fairness, equality, logic, etc. really can't be forced into it. Twenty years of giving certain individuals a chance to go for it was plenty. Lessons have been learned; leave 'em alone. 😎
Good for her. Unfortunately she tried in the wrong place on the planet. She could go do that somewhere else. We as a nation. Should have never gone to war with Afganistán. We all know know we went into war under false pretenses. We killed the leaders that keep the rebels in check and funded terrorist so we could fight endless war. And @Novastar, who the fk asked for us to go there and give them anything?? Your so blind you don’t see that the way you live is because of the place on earth that you live in! That’s their land for them to do whatever they wish. We have no right to that lane and we have no rights to say or tell them how to live.
@Novastar.SaberCombat the talisman is a tiny, loud, violent and armed minority where most of the Afghans just want to live their lives. Most humans just want to live their lives and do their own thing, take care of their families, have a few luxuries. It's only a miniscule minority in charge. This was a violent armed terror organization taking over the country not a government falling into corrupt failure.
@@atashgallagher5139riddle ms this, if they were just such a teeny tiny minority and had no support of the afghan people, how come they could survive for so long and even overpowered the afghan army?
I remember in 2003 meeting an Afghan girl that stood up in class at Ventura Community College, and said she was happy an optimistic now that the Americans were in Afghanistan. I went to Afghanistan in 2011 at Gardez. Even at that time it was controversial to establish a knitting group for women. The Rural populations education could not have been very conducive to establishing a modern society. Islam, tribalism and long establish cultural ways were not questioned, they were the rules of life. It was just the cities maybe just Kabal, that even had a peek at what modern cosmological life could be. (Images of a modern looking Kabal can be found prior to USSR invasion)The vast majority never came anywhere near to having a curiousity to improve daily life through education. They just lived life under established rules. The rules organize their lives and prepare them for the “heaven.” I think it is possible, that the average Afghani in the country would be more in line with the Taliban than the West. I feel terrible for those that grew up in Kabal and became educated and lived relatively free.
USSR intervened on behalf of the Afghan government, they didn't "invade". They tried to save the country from Islamofascism and terrorists like Bin Laden's Al Qaeda
@@doodlebob4143 Those are hardcore tribal, Pashtun area, but the fighting there rarely got as bitter as in many other majority Pashtun areas. I always wondered whether they hadn't worked out some sort of "live and let live" arrangement there between the two sides of the war.
A Taliban government member traveled to Germany and the Netherlands, met with Imams and politicians. Nobody seemed to know how he got a visa, and nobody seemed to attempt to detain him after knowing he was in Europe.
My gf is a teacher teaching online classes for some univeristy in Afghanistan. She has a student, a journalist, that have to walk 1 hour to get to somewhere that have internet. Also, her students will randomly disconnect because their internet is not stable.
@@julius4858 I do, my job relies on it. However in Afghanistan where food and water is expensive and sometimes scarce and violence is very common and used as a punishment, warlords are constantly fighting for control and influence, internet comes after being safe and well fed and content.
It's crazy how much money, time, and effort the US put into trying to build a functioning central government and security forces, and how hapless they were as the US withdrew.
@@jacobdittmer5512 The peace talks took place a year earlier in which a US withdrawal was part of the negotiations. Moreover the US spent 20 years trying to transition to local control. So it just seems weird.
Not only that but also the money, time, and effort they put into creating the Taliban, funding them, and aiding them to fight against Russia. Turning them into the powerful entity they are now.
The cult [1] of islam. It can't be civilized, if you read the scriptures it is obvious. They are a like a training manual for sociopaths, and anyone who follows what they teach can never adopt any kind of civilized society that recognizes freedom of speech and an individual right to freedom of religious belief. 1. In islam, death for leaving islam (apostasy) is prescribed for muslims [2], and death for questioning or criticizing islam (blasphemy) is prescribed for both muslims and unbelievers. These are cult characteristics, regardless of the organization. These rules are part of sharia law, which is why all those pious muslims in the civilized world attacked and killed people who drew cartoons of mohammed, etc. They were just following the teachings of their religion [3]. 2. A hadith (a story from mohammed's life). A follower asked mohammed, "What should we do if someone leaves islam?" "You should kill him." In this case, him is very specific, since because women are property in islam, they are treated differently. In their case, they are confined, or confined and beaten, until they recant their apostasy. 3. The cult of islam isn't really a religion, it is a deen. The religion serves the political goals of the cult of islam, which is using any means possible to convert the whole world to the cult. Killing, enslaving, forced conversion, all are on the table. Since the scriptures actually describe a system like what has been implemented in Afghanistan, and the jihadis, the most pious and true muslims, will be in charge, the whole world will look like Afghanistan if that comes to pass.
An as an Asian looking from the outside, America got leaders like Biden and generals like Milley to advise the POTUS. what could go wrong having clueless leftists that lives in a western comfort bubble?
If you look up pictures of Afghanistan or Iran from 1960s with girls in short skirts wearing gorgeous haircuts, you can't help but feel sad thinking about what could've been instead of what is.
Afghanistan has always been a nightmare. The land is sparse with farming opportunities, the secluded enclaves in the mountainous territories with their own agendas.. etc. The Taliban is just another in a line of groups that controlled the land due to them having the most weapons..
Haiti doesn’t look like a picnic either. Amazing to think i was in Dominican Republic last week enjoying swim up bars and there was a couple in Haiti getting lit on fire at the same time on same island. Wild
My brother was in Afghanistan for a year, he told me that soldiers trained by US would constantly feed all their trainings and information to the taliban.
Yep - same thing from my father. He also said 9/10 guys being trained were dumb, illiterate, or just lazy… on top of possibly being taliban. When asked why tf even try, i got the “soldiers job is to do” speech, but he openly admitted years ago that it was hopeless and that whenever the us finally left all the efforts would be undone almost immediately.
@@plmokm33you bombed many of our civilians and there was so much corruption and crimes during your stay. Now come to Afghanistan and see how peaceful it is
@@asharahmad1068 I'm sure the corruption and crimes are gone now that the US has left right? Oh wait... People spent 20 years bitching about the US occupation and now their crying about the US "abandoning" them. Maybe make up your mind lol
When I was there in 2012 part of our mission was patroling and helping out the Afghan National Army. We knew back then they wouldnt be able to handle anything on their own despite the money, equipment, and training. Writting was on the wall the entire time. We knew it, crazy to believe the higher ups didnt
war is the art of doing evil in the hopes good comes from it later....but you tried to do good in the hopes evil would just go away, you didn't even know what war was
Exactly what was Americas justification for invading? None of you should have been there period.. anyone who believes your higher ups didn’t know it would collapse catastrophically is a damned fool. Ultimately it’s all by design, Luckily for MIC Ukraine was prepared in advance, except America is too chicken shit to put troops in against Russia … pathetic really
Do you really think they saw what you had seen? Honest question, I always thought the really high ranking people in our military just sent our younger service people to deal with well everything.
@@TcFayebae im sure up to a certain level they had to know. Politicians send us places. All ages and all ranks are out there though doong vastly different jobs but Ive seen Squadron Commanders returning fire. Its probably the Generals who just see things from up too high and get lied to from our Afghan counterparts about combat readiness and whats going on. Corruption was writhe in that countries ranks. Some took it seriously most didnt.
I think we need to stop calling afghanistan as a nation state. The taliban are by no means a federal power there. Its probably more of a patchwork of tribal territories nowadays.
It's never been a federal power. It's always been patchwork of tribal territories. The US and the other countries that were there helping out just unified them a bit. To bad they dropped their guns and ran like cowards when the US and the other countries left.
I think the biggest problem is the way the US dealt with Afghanistan : bombing and funding things without understanding them never ends up well. Why did people join the taliban to fight against an extremely well equiped enemy? Why did the US give money without supervising what was it used for? There are a lot of difficult questions that should be answeared in order to avoid similar situations.
Well, at least they left. If Afghans want to live in the stone age, let them live in the stone age. America never helps for altruistic reasons either. I don't know if it's the military industrial complex pursuing it's interests or geopolitical manoeuvring, but I'm sure America was there for American reasons.
@@castorchua The US created a lot of it's problems by blindly throwing money at the wrong people. The US literally helped extremists get a foothold in Afghanistan just to fight the Soviets in the '80's and 9/11 was the result. People in Afghanistan where not super religious before 1979, but that rapidly changed with the help of the CIA, lots of money and weapons. And after 9/11 they thrown money into an unpopular and corrupt government for 20 years that crashed like a house of cards. So, I think most afghans suffer because of the stupid decisions US politicians made over decades, not because they like living in the Stone Age.
@@castorchua The current situation in Afghanistan is the result of decades of bad decisions made by US politicians. Before the soviets invaded Afghanistan in1979 there wasn't really any real religious extremism. But some bright US politicians thought it was a good idea to help any extremists in every way posible just because they killed soviets. Of course it led to 9/11. After 9/11, probably the same US politicians kept pumping money for 20 years into an extremely corrupt government that collapsed like a house of cards without the US military. So, afghans live in Stone Age because of politics, not because they want to.
@@rashedusman9717 America has a long history of pumping up coups and insurgencies all over the world and they're not alone. Extremism is their choice now. There's no suicide vests in Panama, no one gets stoned in Vietnam.
I work in a factory near a military base. We've gotten a lot of Afghanistan refugees in our company. We've got one employee that acts as a lead that translates everything between us and them, but some are starting to learn English. They are all very nice people. Sometimes when we're talking about simple safety stuff in the work place I wonder if it feels rather minimal compared to the things they've probably had to endure at home.
Safety Supervisor: _"You guys have to stay on the padded mats so your feetsies don't get tired..."_ Afghan Refugee (meanwhile): **has flashbacks of Soviet choppers carpet bombing his grandfather's village**
As an african who moved to the west, can assure you, many times when i see climate activists or ppl complaining about 1st world problems...am like tf u guys talking about??? am sure it's the same for your colleagues there lol
I spent 3 years in Afghanistan, much of it working on the construction of ANA camps. We regularly interacted with the ANA, ANP, local businessmen, and regular local people and could tell from that interaction that corruption was just a way of life for them. There was no illusion among any of us working there that our efforts weren't almost entirely certain to be futile. We all knew that everything we were working on would just make the local warlord's life nicer as soon as the Americans left.
Imagine british redcoats trying to train colonial militias and then wondering why the colonists relayed all that information back to george washington, who by the way was considered a terrorist and the #1 most wanted man in the world. In case you havent noticed, but all throughout human history no one likes it when foreigners invade their homeland. And the victors are the writers of history
I think the warlords are pretty open about what they want. They want to keep growing opium without the Taliban or any other central government telling them what to do. They are perfectly willing to fight if you give them something for it, and they think it is a winnable fight. Our aid orgs talked about how the best option was to negotiate directly with the local strongman.
Maybe I am jaded, but does anyone else feel like the entire world is just....... worse? I feel like 2019 really was the last year things felt relatively "normal".
For me, nothing has been normal after 2012. The world is more aggressive and less cohesive on multiple scales. Adam is right though. Life works on a pendulum. Once day we will have relative peace again.
Between 2003 and 2013, I deployed to Afghanistan 10 times. My position allowed me to spend many hours communicating with various Afghan civilians and military personnel. It was clear from the start to anyone with an IQ over that of a goat, that anything beyond hunting down and eliminating bad guys was a waste of blood and treasure.
@Dennis-nc3vw What can I say; it was exciting, and I'm an adrenaline junky. Besides, where else can you go to a range whenever you want, and then shoot thousands of rounds of ammo a day and get paid while doing it.
It's not just Afghanistan. It's basically all of the fundamentalist Muslim world that lives like it's still the 1500s. I wish I was being hyperbolic or sarcastic. Sadly, it's the truth. You have large, relatively modern cities, surrounded by communities that haven't changed much in 500+ years.
@@wesleybrehm9386you clearly have never traveled outside your little bubble, and hence the narrow minded response. Lets see, by “fundamentalist” if you mean countries that rule by sharia, then it is just Afghanistan as its now an “emirate”. Every other country is a “republic” with a democracy as fake as western democracies. With the exception of Saudi arabia and other gulf states who thanks to oil are the some of richest countries in the world after the US. Oh traveling outside a city and suddenly everything is 500 years behind? If you get your head out of your ass and leave your moms basement you will realize thats how the entire fucking planet works. Just 100 years ago whatever soil you live on now most probably looked like a village. Go outside major cities in Eastern Europe, there are even any roads to speak of. So what does that have anything to do with fundamentalism? Go outside the major cities in germany, and they look like the motherfucking holy roman empire. Or travel outside the large cities in Russia or the US. In fact many places in the US like detroit and Baltimore are absolute shit holes filled with dirty crack heads, as compared to the some cities in “fundamentalist” saudi arabia (saudi arabia is a monarchy and hence not an Islamic state).
Look up Iran before 1979. You will find pictures of modern women going to college. But it seems like whenever the Middle East comes up in the world our CIA just doesn't like that. The nice way of putting it is that these countries want to nationalize oil and our oil companies cry to the government and when politicians learn that their stock prices will drop that country has to be put to a barbaric state. It is always about natural resources and a country learning that they could just keep those for themselves, and they are labeled Tyrants and we fund the fundamentalists military like ISIS, Taliban, whatever and they overthrow the current government, and we pat ourselves on the back and say they are better off "cough" Libya.
I was there for years,I lost a lot of friends, I lost 2 cousins, and I lost my little brother during this fight on terrorism. I trained constantly the afghan special forces,we trained them for 20 years to take command of their own country. They kept telling us to leave that they can handle it. The very day we left the taliban assumed control. I my opinion they deserve it,the taliban worked harder At acquiring Afghanistan than the afghans worked at saving it. They wanted everybody else to fight their wars. Almost everybody I trained during the day, I would meet coming the other way at night. That means they were 2: faced.
My cousin who did three tours in Afghanistan told me last fall that he was surprised at how long it all lasted. When asked what he meant, I was told that Afghanistan had become a house of cards and that the Afghan security forces never would stand and fight even after years of training and money. I was told it was always only a matter of when not if. Sad to think my cousin and so many peoples hard work went up in smoke so quickly. This government will never be forgiven for this tragedy
You mean the Afghan government right? The retreat by the US was idiotically done, but Afghan was always a shit hole and everyone complained about us being there. They can't turn around and cry about it once we leave when everyone knew what the country would turn into when we left.
As a Afganistan war vet I am disgusted by the incompetence and stupidity and sheer lack of conscience of those in leadership of the federal government and the military. My heart is also broken for the civilians within Afghanistan There’s also broken for the friends and good men, that we all lost overseas, for what is now obviously a pointless sacrifice. I pray for the Afghan people and rest in peace brothers you are not forgotten .
Sadly you knew the second you saw those troops that it was going to fall the instant the US left. Afghanistan has always been split up into many regional and tribal areas. They don't give a f about anyone else except themselves their tribe or village. So just like it Vietnam the second the US left the US installed government and armed forces collapsed because of their own corruption and incompetence. The men just dropped their weapons and went home just like expected. The thing is Biden thought he would have at least a couple of months to pull out instead of less than 2 weeks for the whole place to fall.
My heart truly breaks for NATO and coalition lives lost after the day OBL died when we heard 10 years after the man's death, "it was never a nation building exercise" .....then why the hell didn't we just leave the day after OBL was dead when Biden as #2 could've persuaded Obama to leave if he knew it was always going to collapse anyways?!?....
What did you expect? Did you expect us to keep sending innocent American soldiers over there, some of whom would die or be permanently injured or get PTSD, for hundreds of years to try to prop up that gdamn shit hole with trillions in American taxpayer money? Get real and move on with your life. Don't waste it being upset for things you can't control.
It is mind boggling that we have a country that is almost identical to any map of the series of fallout. The only difference is the absence of high level radiation. There is raiders, warlords, arbitrary laws with extreme punishment, general lawlessness anywhere else than in a city and many more…
I think I pick up what you're putting down. It's the exact scenario American men fantasize about where we can be the hero or the ultimate villain. Thanks for putting that into perspective. Packing my bags.
Probably a lot fewer fun characters as well. No Mr. Handys to brighten up the day. No Atomic Cats. No comic book nerds-turned-supervillains. Replace all of that with lice and fleas. It's actually less like a Fallout Map and more like the surface of the prison planet from the film Alien 3.
Afghanistan was not much different in the 20 years of US occupation - warlords ruled the tribal areas and were paid in pallets of US-dollars. Women were absent from jobs requiring a higher degree or needed a male chaperone to oversee their work. Kabul University would graduate only a few hundred offspring of the city elite every year in a country of over 40 million. The Afghan society of female engineers had less than 60 active members the year before the Taliban fell. In other words, the idea that Afghanistan or women in particular were better off before the Taliban is nonsense. Aside from the rich offspring of the city elite who could afford a university education for their daughters, nothing has changed for the other 99.8% of Afghan women who had to endure a doubling birth rate increase in that period.
@@metranomic I wonder what they would say. Girls could at least go to elementary school and learn to read and write during the US occupation. There is a huge difference in the possibility going to university and getting an engineering degree as a woman (even if the chances are small) and being tortured as a child for riding a school bus.
@@jess8189 this is delusional - the average Afghan woman had between 6 and 7 children between 2000-2020, starting in their teenage years; the median age of conception actually decreased 0.23% every year between 2000-2020. There was no time for school and certainly not for further education - the only bus they would be taking was the bus to the maternity ward, not the one to school. Afghanistan has as many inhabitants as Argentina but the only university in Kabul would graduate less students than the island nation of Vanuatu. To say women could become accredited engineers under these circumstances is like telling every little league player they could make it into the majors. It's hopelessly deluded.
I think the lesson from this situation is that change can't be imposed from the outside, it has to come from the inside. It has to be fought for and imposed primarily by the people themselves. The taliban had an endless line of recruits because the country was under military occupation by the US. Now they are the occupiers, and if they can't keep the people happy they will face the same pressure they themselves exerted.
Hey, the Afghan people had 20 years to divest themselves of their need to have a fundamentalist Islamic theocracy's bootheel on the backs of their necks. American forces could have occupied Afghanistan for another two generations, and upon handing their own security over to their own people, they still would have folded up like cheap lawn furniture. If they didn't want what America gave them the opportunity to establish, a destiny that they choose instead of having their destiny dictated to them by fanatics, another 20 years, or 40 years, or 100 years wasn't going to make any difference. We saw it happen in Vietnam, we saw it again in Afghanistan.
People don't really divest themselves of their opinions. Talk to any registered Republican or Democrat, and you'll find they pretty much vote along party lines every election. What causes change is *new people* are born, who grow up with different opinions. And they eventually they outnumber the people with old opinions, as the old opinion holders die of old age. 20 years isn't long enough for kids to grow up and saturate the government, military, and economic management positions. We needed about 40 years for that to happen.
0:22 choking up saying 'it tastes great' reminds me of vitameatavegamin lol. Kidding - I realize he's really enjoying it soaking it up to the point he chokes a little and really feels great from it, but still - that was hilarious. Simon always gives us great humor - that's why we keep coming back for more.
I deployed 3 times from 2011-2013 I will say and I think I can speak for everyone that was there and saw how the people looked at us and talked about us, everyone for damn sure knew once we leave it Afganistán will turn worst and worst
People are horrible. Look at all the support for Hamas in western nations, look at how many people from western countries went to join ISIS. Those are people who should know better, so people who haven't even been given a chance to know life could be better doesn't surprise me at all.
Deeply moved by the content of this video, showcasing the harsh realities faced by the Afghan people. The resilience and strength they exhibit amidst such adversity is truly commendable. It's heartbreaking to see a nation so rich in history and culture, continually plagued by instability, violence, and hardship. The images of children growing up in such tough conditions, families torn apart, and communities shattered, leave a lasting impact on my mind.It’s imperative for us as a global community to extend our support, empathy, and solidarity to the Afghan people. We must acknowledge their pain, understand their struggles, and work tirelessly to bring about positive change. Their stories deserve to be heard, and their cries for help should not go unnoticed. Here’s hoping for a future filled with peace, stability, and prosperity for Afghanistan. May the resilient spirit of its people guide them through these tough times, and may we all play our part in making the world a better place for them.
Anyone who thought the Taliban would be true to their word, never dealt with the Taliban or did business with the Pashto before. We can look at the failure of the Afghani government prior to the Taliban taking back over for proof that the US never really understood the Pashto culture. The British had a word for it during their occupation.....
After 20+ years of foreign support, if a country's population, military, leadership, and citizens can't stand on its own, then no amount of years would help. It was best for the U.S. to stop attempting to police a country that isn't interested in protecting itself from tyranny. WHICH IS FINE; Afghanistan can do what it likes, but it's no longer the U.S.'s concern. Twenty years was enough.
People stood up for themselves. No one wanted American enforced puppet government. Long time ago there were people who wanted Afghanistan to become a secular modern nation free of Islamic law. Then western nations smuggled a lot of guns to all sorts of insane Islamist group they could reach. No wonder Taliban easily won after US left. All Afghan leftists are mangled corpses six feet under thanks to hard work of America and Pakistan.
@@frankestein1001 No one should kill anyone. But the war in AFG was being waged WELL before any outside involvement or intervention occurred. At least 100 years, to be certain.
2:55 - Chapter 1 - The state of affairs 8:25 - Chapter 2 - Domestic matters 16:45 - Chapter 3 - On the world stage 22:00 - Chapter 4 - The future of afghanistan
What a contrast between the leaders of Afghanistan and Ukraine. Their leader fled (allegedly with 3 helicopters of loot from the national treasury?+, the army collapsed despite being larger, better trained and far better equipped than the Taliban while Ukraine, a country far smaller than Russia had a president who remained in the capital to lead his people and 2 years later they are still fighting.
@@shahirahmad9949 So many "Hitler" supporters on RU-vid but then looking at your name I imagine you come from a well known democracy like Iran or Egypt? One thing for sure I don't need a 3rd world peasant you you to "educate" me!
Maybe some day soon, we'll realize there are parts of the world that cannot be helped and we'll leave them as they are. So much money that could've been used by suffering Americans has went to these people. It's a huge mistake, quite honestly. Let's learn our lesson here and pull back a bit.
I deployed in 2013, the ANA were getting an ass kicking everytime they left the wire and our infantry at that time were letting them deal with it. After all the time we were there the Afghan army never figured out how to fight. It was a failure from the start trying to get the Afghans to fight for their own country and against terrorist groups. Waste of American lives and billions
And who the hell are you and your country to tell us to fight with our own people? Do you think we are afghans are fools nothing known about our enemies and our own country invaders
My impression was that the USA built an auxiliary force for garrison, security and police duties and then expected it to go conduct combined arms offensives. It was there to hold ground and make up a blocking force. My home guard units in Europe could have tasks like that decades ago. Just sit on a site and hold until other units arrive
It's a sad story ..... But we need not forget there was nobody will to fight back when the Taliban was talking over the country when the USA left ... And they knew what was going to happen when the Taliban came back in power ....
@@raylopez99And the sad part is we've let millions of random & unvetted illegals into the US.. Most of which coming from 100+ countries from around the world (and not really in danger or in need of asylum). But we left behind 1,000's of Afghans who risked their (and their family's) lives to help us for 2 decades. So along with all our service dogs & 100's of Americans.. Democrats also completely abandoned those who actually deserved asylum here.
@@TheForeignersNetworkI’m going to go out on a limb here and say it wasn’t so bad that a reasonable person would say, “this is so awful, I bet things would be much better under the taliban”
they had close to a generation, 20 years, to learn from the USA and change their culture and lifestyle if they wanted. they didn't and when the USA left, they basically just accepted the Taliban taking over with no resistance. it sucks for them, but at the same time they essentially chose it and now have to live with it. at the end of the day, if people want to live a life that gives them fulfilment and safety, it's up to themselves to ensure they can do so.
Thank you for this update on Afghanistan. We don't much of this in the U.S. Our withdrawal from there was a disgrace. The Taliban are horrible and I can only pity the people who suffer under them.
not a disgrace, but long overdue. The Afghanis wanted to be a US colony as far as I'm concerned. After 20 years that army could have stood up, but they all wanted to leave with US troops. 20 years...give me a break.
Yea, i agree. What's there to gain in Afghanistan? They don't like the west in general probably, Americans wanted their troops back and they did. Why involve in trouble that aint yours? You can better involve in rebuilding or maintaining you're own people instead of playing the welfare program of the world, when some part's of the world don't even like you.
I have been to Afghanistan three times, the first was 6 years ago. The second time was 4 months before the U.S. pull-out...security was always an issue. The 3rd and final trip was last year after the Taliban took over, the safest trip of all three. I was able to travel all over the country. Had many interactions with Taliban soldiers and or officials. Things have changed drastically for women, which is truly heartbreaking but to the winner goes the spoils of war. Like it or not, the Taliban won the war...I think it's shameful how the international community has just forgotten Afghanistan, Ukraine and Israel are their priorities and Afghani's are left alone.
That's what people voted for. They got their wish. A leader creating a withdrawal deadline based on a ceremonial date instead of what was actively happening on the ground. AKA the fighting season that takes place after the winter season has taken place.
Vietnam fall is not because US fail but South Vietnam govt corrupt, Afghanistan mirror what happen when a corrupt govt don't give a dam about the countrie. The Us left without telling Afghan govt tells a lost about the state of the govt, most of them work with the Taliban and the US know about it.
I remember it was the Trump Administration that surrendered to the terrorists with their Doha Agreement, cut troop numbers down to a bare minimum and destroyed billions of dollars of equipment. After that, the disaster was guaranteed.
I hate to say it but people usually end up with the form of government that they are willing to accept. I have come to a firm conclusion that the west should never try to force our idea about what form of government another country has because it never ends well for either side.
There will never be peaceful existence with these people. Someday we're going to have to make the hard decision on which ideology will reign supreme. I know which one has my vote.
@@blueridger28 They did have a choice for nearly 20 years, at a certain point they have to be responsible for the government they let take over. If 90% didn't want the Taliban and were willing to resist them I almost guarantee they wouldn't have the Taliban running their country right now.
To be fair the west seems to want to follow in parts of the east's example. People joke on China's social credit system. The west kind of adapted to parts of it in an entirely convoluted manner, but instead of governments doing we we are perfectly fine with corporations doing that. We don't really have a right to privacy anymore all companies essentially collect data on you and will work for the government and give them the information if requested.
Deprecation is a thing, none of that stuff was new and is actively falling apart by the day. Won't be long before their stuck with just stuff they can jury rig then just small arms and munitions, hell we've already got footage of them crashing the ANA Blackhawks they captured last year, even money says they won't even have that in a year or two. So more like 50-100 mil and shrinking by a couple of mil every few weeks, then it'll be back to whatever they can get their hands on and it'll be like nothing changed just like their leaders wanted.
Back in 2013, I spoke to a British soldier who'd deployed to Helmand a few times. I asked him if he thought there was a realistic chance that the West could keep the Taliban out long-term. Without a seconds hesitation, he said there was no hope at all, and that they'd be back on top the second the Coalition left.
@@chaseviking5096 what's with the 10.000 afghan commandos that are still fighting to this day? There is a republican insurgency in Afghanistan they switched places with the Taliban and are now attacking them from the mountains
@@KennyNGA what's with the majority of Afghanistan military forces that dropped their guns like cowards and ran? What's with the civilian population doing nothing but keeping their heads down and bowing to the will of the Taliban? The Afghanistan people are cowards. Hell countless fighting age males flocked on the planes during the extraction instead of staying there to fight for their own country like real men. Keep trying to make excuses kid. The Afghanistan people are cowards.
Christmas Eve 1979 the Soviet 40th army invaded Afghanistan ... I think you need to make a detailed long form explanation video on the history of Afghanistan
people tend to forget that the US invasion and occupation was just a part of a nearly 50 year long civil war. People also talk about the Taliban "winning" but all that's happened is the US backed government and military have switched back to an insurgency almost identical to how Afghanistan was in the 90s and early 2000s, and they're in the same kind of position the Taliban was in a few years ago.
The Soviet army was invited in to help the communist government of Afghanistan (which they supported of course) regain full control of the country. Not really an invasion the way it is often made out to be.
@@justinmeasday8930 Yeah we know. USSR never invaded anybody. They were "invited" to help. We know that story. Actually It`s all the same anytime soviets/russians have military interventuon anywhere. Also they didn`t attack Ukraine. They were ''invited'' by the ''sovereign'' people of Donetsk, right? In all seriousness, you should read more about The Tajbeg Palace assault where soviets and spetsnaz kill afghan leader Hafizullah Amin and install their own puppet, who, suprisingly ''calls them for help'' and that is when the war beggins and soviet troops land in Afghanistan to "help" their puppet. So basically what happened in Crimea.
@@Gabson9 my point is the country was under communist leadership for quite a while before soviet troops went in. No kidding the communist were trying for world domination. They were on the second puppet by then, as the first one had to by replaced for showing pol pot tendencies a little too much. The afghans took advantage of cheap arms and military training from the soviets, and woke up one day to find their military and police were led by Marxist revolutionaries. Subversion from within. Be careful who you invite into your country, and who you allow to mold the minds of your people.
What was even more São was the Communists were actually successful at setting up an effective civil administration, and a national ideal. The socialist Afghan state survive seven more years after the end of Soviet intervention, and held on until 1996. If America didn’t have a psychotic autistic meltdown over the fact Afghanistan was getting fixed by socialists It would be a much better place by now.
I was there in 06-07 and the first week there, we were in a convoy to drop off Inf (I was a Sapper Team leader with 2 of my guys that rolled with the Cav Scouts(love my Cav brothers!). Got to our objective where the Inf was gonns basically set up a Platoon PB with ANP or ANA, most were so bad you couldn't always tell them apart. We were ambushed on our way back the next morning maybe 2km from the FOB and if that don't tell you that they gave information to the Taliban and other insurgents that we were coming back that just gives you a glimmer of how bad it was there
You talking about males in the US or Afghanistan? Because males in the US were right not to get involved in this crap, it’s just a money pit with no clear ending. And if you’re a male living in Afghanistan why the hell would you fight? You’re just going to get yourself killed and there are people in your life that love and care for you, you likely have a job or school your going to consistently. Nobody wants to bring their entire life and future develop to a halt for something they MIGHT make a SLIGHT difference in
@@tomhenry897 You''re right. Afghans had lived under the Taliban before and knew what to expect from them, yet chose not to fight it. Do you suppose that is because they are stupid and don't understand their situation as well as you understand it, sitting on the other side of the world. If not, why you suppose they didn't fight to defend the old regime?
@NTM567 It's not bidens fault though. Your government of both parties came into Afghanistan, grew drugs, attempted to wipe out an old ally you used against the soviet union and lost horrifically. Just because your military leadership is made up of political hacks who have degrees in history and political analysis(not real degrees), doesn't mean you can blame the dying empire on the last emperor aka neocon
I was never in the country but i do know one thing for a fact, my 7-year-old could have planned a better withdrawal hahahah shame on the US government!
You can't blame the failure of the peace talks entirely on the Taliban. Convinced that the US wouldn't really withdraw as scheduled, and determined to milk foreign aid for as long as possible, the Ghani regime dragged its feet in getting to the negotiating table and made no effort to advance a negotiated settlement.
@@TheOldMachines the fact that he went through your profile so far to see who you were subbed to says a lot. You didn't say that in a left or right way, it doesn't matter who is the president and what side is in power. The government really won't ever actually care about it's soldiers.
Regardless of how anyone feels about the war and withdrawal, for those of us who payed attention the last 20 years, I would hope we can all agree the solution is not occupation or war...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 part of increasing ones self awareness and processing our own ethnocentricity is recognizing we don't have all the answers. Exporting our own flawed culture on another society by force often leads to greater consequences, ie 4.5 million deaths from post 9/11 wars. If we believe religious fundamentalism is wrong, we must have faith it will inevitably fail and be replaced by something better.
@@dawnfire82 I'm not entirely sure you understand who the Taliban are or what occupation means. See, the Taliban had actually only recently taken power in Afghanistan before the American invasion. Yet, through 20 years of American occupation, the Taliban's power and influence only grew. So much so, they were able to overthrow the Afghanistan government propped up by the US. The Mujahideen were a warring people long before the formation of any Taliban, but they are not occupiers.
People were throwing their children across the fence at the airport when the last few planes left Afghanistan. That's how bad they didn't want to live under them, and people say the US is always bad.
If they truly didn't want to live under the Taliban, they should have actually fought the Taliban. Of course the real truth is that more in Afghanistan supported the Taliban than were willing to fight the Taliban.
The sad part is in the future it will be harder for the American military to get help from people on the ground because, just like someone in the US said to me when we were volunteering in a town, "What happens when you leave? The changes you made will go back to the way they were and we'll be left to pick up the pieces." And that was in the US. I can't even imagine how people in Afghanistan think about us.
I was there in 2006 and 2010, as a Brit that lost a friend there , it's heartbreaking, as a veteran with many coalition friends, it makes me nothing but incredibly angry when I look at how the withdrawal was handled! My heart goes out to anyone who was there in the last few weeks (as that was horrendous), but the utter betrayal of the politicians who decided to run and leave the people to the taliban makes my blood boil! All of that, for NOTHING! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
What are we supposed to do. We trained their army, gave them equipment. A big part of the reason why the withdrawal was so messy was because no one expected it to fall that fast. We knew it would fall, but after a couple months at least. They basically threw their weapons down and went home. they just let the Taliban walk in. On our side the political will was gone, people wanted to bring our soldiers home. I really feel for the people there, but like fuck man.
@@TrueGoose117 Well, from what I understand the original agreement was that the withdrawl was to be done in stages so that the U.S would still have a presence there to oversee the changes, only going to the next stage when the Taliban and government met their commitments. Then the Biden administration came in and decided they knew better - calling a fullscale retreat probably thinking that 'bringing the boys back home' would be some easy political capital to gain right at the start of their reign and trusting the Taliban to honour their word. Only, instead they showcased how utterly they misunderstood the situation while throwing away 20+ years of work. I'm not a U.S citizen, so I can't speak on Biden's domestic governance but from a foreign policy standpoint he's at least top 3 among worst presidents.
I was there in 1968 on the hippy trail. I loved the country and the people were so kind and friendly. No one talks anymore about how beautiful the country is, but that is something that really struck me.. then there seem to be such an abundance of glorious fruit. So terribly sad what has happened there
From most things ive heard through various channels i was always under the impression that the afghan army doesn't really want to fight the taliban, they just wanted the money and support from the western world. Maybe All the training and whatever was basically just for show. Im sure there were some Afghan men that genuinely eanted to do something against the Taliban, but clearly not enough. Maybe America should have exclusively trained an army of women and gay people, because at least they would've been the only ones with some sort of motivation to stop the taliban lol
Training women and the lgbtq community would have fit the biden Administration agenda perfect 👌. Probably would have promoted a few into becoming part of the high command in the US military. Lols
Trump "Here is the timeline of withdrawal." Biden "No deal Jack, I'm running in the middle of the night and l am leaving all the weapons they could want!"
I can't believe we left all that equipment there. Even a person with a small amount of understanding of how any military works knows you NEVER leave any of your equipment behind for the enemy to use. You take it with you or render it useless.
Bush committed our nation to the quagmire. Trump released 5,000 Taliban terrorists from prison then surrendered to them. The DoD’s 20 year $2 trillion plan collapsed in 11 days. It's all Biden's fault! Republicans are trying really hard to distract from the fact that they led our nation into two failed wars that wasted over $4 trillion without making our nation any safer. Both wars were failures. That's on the GOP. Trump didn't withdraw because he knew that the war was a failure.
