@@EpicGamer-no3yj Not to mention they will lose value fast. Apple products are actually not expensive in the long run if you're selling them before you upgrade. M1 has taken that to a new level for Macbooks.
@@Dionyzos With regards to the M1 MacBook, we don’t know yet. As it was stated in the video, the first gen might be more experimental and not receive that many updates.
Mac address is the one of the few apple based channel that gives us "content that we usually didnt ask for but are soo glad that they did" type of content. Very usual and intresting
@@CJonestheSteam72 I’ve found 6s’s are usually about $65 and SE’s are around $45 for me which isn’t bad at all but at this late in their life i wouldn’t recommend buying one unless you’re on an extremely tight budget.
Don’t worry bro, you can always… bend the rules 😏 But seriously, you should look at other iPhones since iOS 12 is getting further and further back each day. I would still recommend the iPhone 8 if the camera isn’t your top priority nor a oled screen. It has the same performance as the iPhone X, but retains the classic design and home button (aka, you iPhone 6 case may fit). It is an underrated iPhone since the iPhone SE 2020 and recent prices do reflect that. However, if your current battery is still okay, nothing stops you from using it till it gives up. But hey, still, gotta give you creds for using that good old boy and … bending conventions 😝
When your device is this old, you may want to do a Restore (from scratch) install of iOS 15, then manually reinstall your apps. Guarantee the phone will run reasonably fast.
@@MR-wn6ln Worked! The phone runs significantly faster and somehow my touch id problem (having to rescan a lot) resolved itself, doesn't fix the battery problem though
My iPad Air 2 is still alive and kicking as my gf's netflix and youtube machine. Still performs well, can even play modern games with varying degrees of success
I am so glad that this channel posts engaging and creative Apple content. It’s so refreshing when there are so many channels focused on “leaks” and rumours, using click bait titles and thumbnails for views!
Mac Address is wrong. He defends apple for slowing down phones. He says that apple is better than android because they offer more software support. Even though you can't use a iphone 6 (2014) on ios 8 anymore today. All your old apps on ios 8 get disabled and your forced to update your ios. Meanwhile if you never update your android on 5.0 (2014), it will still work with all apps. Also macs slow down after updates but they don't have batteries so the whole battery degrade excuse is pure horseshit. Why doesn't he mention how apple purposely makes it impossible to downgrade ios on iphones by not allowing unsigned ipsws.
Haha, watching from an iPad Air 2. I was genuinely confused when I learnt I was going to get iPadOS 15. After this amazing experience I won't think twice before buying my first iPhone this year. 13 Series if it's a worthy upgrade.
I’m loving my 13 pro. First iPhone in a while worthy of getting. Significantly better than the 12 pro on a range of aspects. The 14 will ship with usbc tho so may be worth waiting.
This is the first time I notice that you guys combined the roles at the end of the video, like "Director and Producer" for Linus or "Host and Write" for Jonathan. Looks a lot better and cleaner!
@@ireadysucks3026 Linus Media Group has some serious hardware and software for video production, so unless you've only watched their other videos from like 3 years ago it should be about the same.
Just gave an old iPhone 6 we had laying around to my grandmother. It might not be running the latest version of iOS, but it’s still technically supported. iOS 12 have been updated 5 times this year, mainly for security reasons. That means that there’s even older devices than the one you showed that are still up to date on a security level.
@@notpk6727 The iPhone 5S used the A7 while the iPhone 6 used the A8. According to Wikipedia : Apple states that it has 25% more CPU performance and 50% more graphics performance while drawing only 50% of the power of its predecessor, the Apple A7. So I’m not so sure what you’re talking about.
I love the support apple gives to their devices, I'm still on an iPhone 7 and see no reason to buy something new. I had an iPad 4 from launch and retired it just recently, I'm currently in the market for a new iPad. In contrast, my Android Xperia Play didn't receive even one update.
@@ytkieranswire8360 I gave it to some kid's parents that couldn't afford buying a new tablet for his online classes, it was still surprisingly capable for things like that, though admitedly I had some issues with web browsing during the last year. What I'll miss the most is the battery life, that thing had somethink like a 10000 MAh battery, I charged it twice a week when I gave it a lot of use.
@@brandon_nope I can't say, the lack of a headphone jack made me stop using my phone to listen to anything besides calls, period. To this day, my 5th gen 30 GB iPod is doing it for me.
I mean, ltt produces daily videos and this channel does not so they have more time for discussion, editing, scripting etc etc and it generally seems higher quality than ltt. They even go outside to shoot short segments and this is just more high effort content rather than daily content
Got an iPhone 6S for Christmas 2015 and I love it. Never have had to take it to the store other than for a battery replacement back when batterygate was a thing and they were cheap. Only issue I'm running up against is my 16 GB of storage, other than that and a bit of screen burn-in and it works flawlessly.
@@brandon_nope i have like 7 extra apps and like 400 photos on my phone with 1gb to spare. The other storage is the one that takes up most of the storage
Typing this on a perfectly functional iPad Air 2 that I bought last month for 90 bucks because it has a small scratch on the screen. The 90 bucks I made selling a pristine iPad 2 that I got for free. This video is just the cherry on top of that deal. Good stuff, thanks Jonathan!
I’m on my iPad air 2 right now. Bought it for $150 off at Best Buy 3 months after it launched. At the time I was worried he device would only be supported for 3 years, and the purchase would be a waste of money. Hearing Jonathan’s closing statement, I’ve never felt so validated in my decision. I definitely agree though, the battery is terrible now after 7 years of near daily use.
Watching on my iPhone SE (1st Gen). I am saving money to buy the iPhone 14 since iOS 15 is supported for this and there's no reason to upgrade this year.
Also watching on an iPhone SE. I was considering switching to Android after a few months, but this reminder of Apple's relatively long support makes me rethink that.
@@TheHy6xD I too hate the vibration of it. I have completely switched it off since I am working from home these days and I don't have to worry about not hearing the ring while travelling.
@@BLiu1 Yes. This is the premium we pay for. The long security updates and software updates. And also we can still buy authentic batteries in Apple stores. After all these years.
Long support is one of the things I wish other companies would follow Apple on. It would be unreasonable to expect forever support, but several years is lovely. On batteries... I do have an iPhone 4, some iPad 2s, and an iPad 3 that all still have working batteries... despite being waaaay behind on software.
I have that specific SE. I absolutely love it. I bought it in 2016 and I swear I had no slow-downs whatsoever. Might be totally subjective, obviously. I had used the 4S for so long and iOS there _significantly_ worsened my experience. At some point it was so bad, that it just turned off at 80% energy. This didn't happen with the SE at all. It still feels as smooth as before. One of the big reasons for why I haven't upgraded is because I hate the newer iPhones rounded design and the SE had these beautiful sharp edges. The new mini has it as well, so I'm gonna upgrade as soon as I can afford it.
How long apple supports their devices has played a big part on me expanding my apple ecosystem. I was on just a MacBook on 2013 but then i bought the iPhone X on 2017. And now and iPad Pro. These are expensive products for me but honestly each one of them keeps working beautifully for me to consider to update them to a newer version and they work together like a charm
Even though I keep my iOS devices for only three years, I’m still glad Apple gives this long term software support to their devices because it allows me to sell these products to my relatives who would continue to use them for another 3 years. My aunt was using an iPhone 6 until Christmas of last year when I sold her my iPhone 8. My grandfather is still using an iPad Air 2 to this day, and will continue to use it.
What’s crazier is that the iPad mini 4 is also getting this. It’s a year newer than the air 2 but is even less powerful. It’s basically an iPhone 6 with more ram.
I’ve had the iPad Air 2 since it was new. I used to use it for remote learning and now it’s mainly a media consumption device if I’m away from my computer. Has definitely served its purpose throughout the years but the battery life is a fraction of its former self.
I have some thoughts about this videos production, I hope you receive it in a positive manner :) I though this video was about longevity of Apple devices, as it was presented at the beginning and in the thumbnail, but it shifted to be about iOS 15 features, which was slightly confusing. Also the “take my things and go away” transition is a bit over-used in your videos. I’d suggest finding less repetitive and more creative ways to transition between topics. Nonetheless, I do appreciate this channels creative approach, which is so different from a normal LMG video :) keep up the good work!
Yeah, I was a bit confused after he focussed more and more on the OS features. Not terrible per se, but not the direction I had pictured they would go with the video.
That last point about battery is why I’m pretty happy with my iPhone pro max. Easily lasts two entire calendar days of use with normal settings. Even if the battery degrades significantly I’d still be able to go over a day
i got a 9.7-inch ipad pro for my birthday back in 2016 and i still use it as my daily driver for digital art, i'm amazed that a 6 year old device is still capable of doing intensive work like this
RAM doubling from the previous year/model is a BIG reason for the longevity of these particular devices. I bought my SE and my mom's 6s for this reason and luckily I was correct. Cheers.
Man I love this channel; i love the out-of-the-box ideas of LTT on purely Apple topics in cinema-grade quality. I mean, it just can't get better than this for an Apple fan like me who tires of the usual rumors and oh-no-where's-the-power-brick videos. I just greatly fear that there will be not enough initial viewers for the channel to be kept active enough. This is my polite request to please keep making these videos, despite the statistics, for at least two years. By then enough true fans of Apple and quality content (there gotta be a couple million of us) discover this channel and watch each video. Then the cost of production will be worth it. I know you guys aren't there yet but I am confident you will get there. Have a great weekend, LMG.
1. Battery of iPad-2 (2012) still working with 10 hours of playback time. 2. iPhone-5S and iPad Air have one more year of support. Although they are 2 iOS versions behind, they got a security update on June of 2021.
1:40 yeah about that most Androids are Galaxys and most get 3 years of Software and 4 years of Security Updates... Still not comparable to iPhones tho EDIT: Samsung bummed it up to 4 years of Software updates and 5 years of Security updates.
The fact that you also need to root and open bootloader just to make your android updated to the latest version is a big hassle to people. This is the point that majority of the android fanboys doesn't get they're always mad at the existence of apple but the fact that it has multiple updates that the common user can just do a tap and update compared to android.
The other replies are just straight up wrong. Every android I've had for the last 7+ years has received regular security updates (timely with android release cycle + US carrier delay of like a month) and software updates including upgrades to the newest version released years after the phones manufacture. No root, no nothing. The "Android doesn't get updates" meme is just wrong, and has been for a long time. I mean if you're importing from outside your market, sure, but if you buy a phone available from your carrier or a big box store, it will get updated.
@@tephulio good for USA that their android phones gets updated unlike outside us it only has likely 2-4 updates that's why that meme is still justifiable especially with the midrange smartphones.
The more important thing is that Android phones don't need updates anymore. Most security updates are now delivered via the Play Store as Play Security Updates. Backwards compatibility is provided for devices all the way back to Android 5 for new app development features. iOS doesn't provide this backwards compatibility support, meaning new apps often can only support the last one or two iOS versions.
That point about wanting to turn off an app's non-essential notifications, like a delivery app's promotion notification, is something I like about Android. Each app has a notification channel, and you are able to turn off an app's individual notification categories. Makes for a cleaner notification experience.
I'm not a huge iPad user but picked up a battered but functionally fine iPad Air 2 about 4 years ago for £70 and I'm so glad it's going to get the iOS 15 update.
Getting back to older iphone still in 2024. While 4s 5 5s are stuck on old iOS, which no apps supports, it seems that SE with iOS 15 still supports most apps making phone usable as main and only phone for daily use (while 5s and older are usable if you dont use banking, doing any work etc). Super cool. Just replaced iPhone SE battery and it seems that will replace my iPhone 12 pro max, as I want this smaller form factor.
Apple’s excellent software support is by far one of the biggest reasons I’ve moved to the iPhone over the past couple of years. My 2019 iPhone 11 will need its battery replaced soon (79% health) but it’s really nice having a phone that still performs excellently a couple years after purchasing it and knowing it’ll still be supported for likely longer than I’ll actually keep it. This is also why I actually feel comfortable spending big money on their iPad Pro - I know it’ll be supported for years and I can have the battery replaced when it needs it. Samsung’s best tablets still only seem to get a couple years or so of updates before being cut off. Really wish it was easier to swap the batteries on these devices though.
So I got an IPhone SE (1. Gen) in 2016 and still use it today on a daily basis. I am using it without a Protector for the last 4 years and it still works with the original battery at 77% maximum capacity.
Huh… As a correction: The first iPhone to actually have 3 year of updates was the 3GS, not the OG/2G or 3G, those only had two. They were released with iOS 1 and iOS 2 respectively and their last iOS update was iOS 3 and iOS 4 respectively.
I still daily an iPhone 5s, although i will be upgrading soon, but the 5s still works admirably and holds plenty of charge (even without a battery swap)
Both mine and my brothers iPad mini 4 batteries are horrible if you let it charge to 100% it will die and i have to turn it on again does this about 6-10 times before staying on but if you stop it at 99% it’s fine besides the lower max capacity it now has
It's important to remember that while with Apple you get full-featured (with the exeption of some hardware specific features) OS updates, during all those years, with Android you still get google-services updated and modern apps even on older versions of Andoroid. So you might not get all the OS related features, but you get the same longevity, if not even more. Google is really good with backwards compatibility.
this is the thing that i was thinking to buy the first gen SE, yesterday. I searched, I bought it. Just for fantasy and feeling little bit old fashioned
My iPhone XR bricked during the update to iOS 15. I took it to an Apple Store and they told (long story short) that my logic board is now damaged. The phone was working perfect before the OS update. Apple doesn't take any responsibility for this.
Even if it didn’t change aesthetically or functionally, it’s still important to get the newest security updates. That alone makes iPhone worth it in the long run for me.
I love your style, with the open air elements and stuff. It's LTT quality but different and we already feel a connection with you in this very short time Jonathan! :)
It's indisputable to say that Apple is the king when it comes to Mobile Software Support. However I argue for a correction @ 1:40 , Samsung promised to 3 years of updates on their S20 line going forward. and their 2019 phones, the S10 Flagship Lineup got updated to android 11 Apple still dwarfs the android space when it comes to long term support of official OEM updates (non custom roms) but to say "you will get 1 update if you are lucky" is kinda erroneous.
Well this really impresses me, apple has a good track record about updates but a six or seven year old device getting the latest OS is truly great, recently we wanted a tablet for my grandma and this is exactly why I argued an iPad was the best option, yes they are expensive but you get a lot more time out of them, someone like grandma doesn't care about having the latest features but this means that she will be able to use it for maybe 10 YEARS as it will still be able to run any app she wants, probably even more.
Well, I am actually using an iPhone 6s with iOS 15. Runs great. I should probably mention I have the 64gb version. What sucks is that the 6s isn’t getting iOS 16, because I love this phone and would rather not retire it. Oh, and you can have the search bar at the top in Safari, which I did.
1:28 I love what you did there! It’s like you’re story-telling, and it made me subscribe and gave this vid a thumbs up. This is the first video I watched from your channel and I’m glad I met you!! Great content!! Transition!! Everything!! 🥰
It's security fixes that are really critical. New major OS versions are probably more of a convenience thing for handset manufacturers who have their shit together (so, apple, and no one else). The important thing is that users can continue to use their old phone and be confident that it's at least as secure as their PIN (12345, same as their luggage). And if Ubuntu can manage 5 year support cycles while shipping a new OS every 6 months. FFS, one of the biggest companies in the world should be able to handle that.
@@contournut5726 Something that is often forgotten outside the Android bubble: Google has bit by bit pushed more and more system updates via the Play Store. Sure, it's not a fully fledged security update (You can mostly thank SoC-producers for that), but it's... something. And Google has been pushing the mandatory minimum update timeframe year on year. It's not Apple level of updates (for various reasons most haters don't care to understand), but it is surely better than most outside the Android ecosystem think it is 😅
I am watching this on an Ipad Air 2 :D and it runs fine for YT, Netflix etc. The best thing is, that I can always Jailbreak the newest version with checkra1n and enjoy YT without ads and Background playback ;)
Replacing the battery will always be cheaper and less time consuming. Combine that with software support longevity and you have a great deal both for your pocket and the environment.
I have used an iPad Air 2 since I got it in 2014. It has been really good for basic use(youtube, shows, google, and texting) and it has worked great. The battery only lasts like 1.5 hours but other wise it is probably one of the best devices I got.
I’m not sure I like Android notifications. The way they group apps together so you can’t turn on notifications in Chat and turn off the notifications in Gmail is incredibly annoying. I just turn off most notifications. When you only have 4-5 notifications at a time, iOS works well.
@Tommy Oliver 3D: I despise all the notification systems and do not think any of the implementations are good. If I wanted that sort of thing, that was what Growl was for, it should not be baked into an OS. Now websites constantly have "Do you want to allow notifications" UIs even though my browsers are configured to never allow them. It is a usability disaster, all over the place.
Your home aesthetic always makes me think that there will be a “Moooooom, I’m filming right now” outtake eventually 😁 To the point of the vid, it is nice to see. For the droid comparison, I have an S20 ultra that will basically be abandonware next year, if it isn’t already. Real shame. Its a nice piece that would easily sustain future iterations of Android without a hitch. If Samsung would let it. Now, Apple, free up the purchase of board level components too and you’ll be super cool.
I bought my iPad Air 2 at 2014 when it was brand new and I loved it ever since. The only real problem is how the battery quickly drains now, but I still have it and use it sometimes.
Yeah but the point is, the older models are reacting slower to the new iOS. It doesn’t have to be by much. Even if it’s slightly slower it’s still slower, keeping me personally from wanting to update. And why is it slower if it’s not receiving most of the newest features? It should at least have speed increases.
Thank you for confirming me in my opinion that the iPad Air 2 is one of the best devices Apple has ever made ;). Very nice to see a recent OS still running quite OK on such old devices. The software life cycle truly is a USP for Apple's phones and tablets!
I just switched my iPad Air 2 (on iOS 15) to the M1 iPad Pro 12.9 and it was eye opening!! I was so used to the iPad I wasn’t noticing how slow it really was. I don’t think iOS 15 should be able to run on the iPad Air 2, it made it way slower than on iOS 14. Anyway , that said I love my new iPad and strongly recommend it.
I still use an iPad 4th Gen. The uses for it have been reduced to a painting tablet + e-reader device as of right now, but it's amazing that it works so seamlessly still.
It’s funny that same iPad Air 2 is the one I still have. I got that thing as a graduation gift back in the day and it’s still hanging in there. But even though it’s still kicking I did finally decide to upgrade. Great little e experiment, and gives me confidence that my mom should be in good hands with it for at least another year or two. I can’t imagine even trying to use an Android tablet half the Air 2’s age
This video is much like Apple's official statements about problems: the problems are always worse than described, and no detailed explanations or scientific data are given.
The OnePlus 6t is actually still supported and will be getting Android 12. It released with Android 9. I think the trend is definitely going towards longer software support, which is great.
I'm still using an old iPad 2nd gen today. It still works fine even though software support ended many years ago. I mainly use it for Netflix. Battery is still fine too.
honestly i've been using a se just to see how it runs and its pretty good honestly on ios 15 i just got the battery replaced and the phones running great
first time that I actually watched a 10 minute video without skipping! You’re really good at explaining things without it getting boring!! New subscriber here!
You know, MA is very interesting to me. As an Apple user it’s much more applicable to my life than LTT and while I can see some of the LTT production hallmarks Mac Address very much has its own tone and style. Techlinked, Short Circuit and all the other LTT family channels feel much more like siblings while Mac Address feels like a cousin, still in the family but more of its own personality. I really hope it continues to find its audience.