Another thing to add from what we learned today about her being a standard character : while her cons aren't necessarily the best compared to limited 5 stars, they're more impactful than the other standard 5 stars, meaning losing your 50/50 to Dehya once will probably feel bad if you don't intend to play her, but losing it 7 times is better than getting dilucs COPIUM Also realized I forgor to mention 4p Crimson Witch, it's also a fine option, generally better than 2p2p if you're playing her in vape teams but worse than 4p emblem
Holly that amount of Copium is massive , especially since now the chances of getting even one copy of her are 1/7 . See u guys in 8.0 when u all have a c7 dehya and hoyo created a set for her to be good ( COPIUM )
I had the same feeling when Kokomi came out. I was disappointed she was not great, and everyone called her useless, but them ocean hueued clam was released, and people just stopped shitting on her! i think the situation with Dehya is kinda the same
As someone who was looking forward to her for months. I am entering with greay joy knowing we are only 12 sleeps away from being able to play her and her story quest and learn more about her :D
@@nurly125 OHC did not improve Kokomi by THAT much. She was still decent because she had large aoe off field hydro app, ttds, and could drive certain comps.
This patch went from my most hyped in all of sumeru to a definit skip... Dehya is the new qiqi And the only phys support doesn't run with the only phys dmg dealer.
It's a weird notion that Mihoyo would intentionally design a character to be bad because their goal was to put them on the standard banner. There's so many things that don't make sense, Why do this for a highly anticipated Sumeru character when you haven't done it for any other region? Why another Pyro claymore? Why waste such amazing character design like this? There's no way it's not intentional, you don't go from releasing absolutely broken characters like Nahida and Yelan to whatever Dehyas kit is supposed to be. This is honestly really depressing.
It is, it's heartbreaking. Who knows what HoYo's intention was exactly, but there was intent. I've made my peace with it, but I hope the community absolutely roasts HoYo for this. They kinda deserve it.
to my knowledge, according one of the lakers that leaked her being 5 stars, the original one, of her being 4, was wrong. So she wasn't changed, she was always supposed to 5.
It's mildly weird you say all this but have a Nyx pfp as if Nyx isn't just an afterthought in Honkai and wasn't made irrelevant in her own niche very quickly. Idk. Just odd. And again, honkai went from making multiple really strong valks around the time Nyx came out, to then releasing Nyx herself and she just ended up having little to no real place in the game.
@@justsomeguy727 Starchasm Nyx is in no way comparable to Dehya, since that seems to be where you are going with this. Starchasm Nyx came out in march of 2021 and was the best ice dps valk in the game for 7 months until Silverwing EX, and even then she still had weather bosses where she was the preferred character to use. Both her and Silverwing were again powercrept by HoH Elysia who came out another 8 months later and remains the strongest ice valk. I wouldn't call a character being meta for almost a year being made "quickly irrelevant." I'm not even sure why we are discussing this to begin with, it's not in any way comparable to Dehya's situation.
@@simonditomasso9868 if they really wanted to they could just add them if you lose the 50/50 on the limited banner or just make a new standard banner and delete the other I'm honestly impressed that we got a second pyro claymore before getting a polearm or geo unit on the standard banner
Since I started playing in 2020, I never hyped a character so much how I did with Dehya when I first saw her. Her look is amazing and her personality is pure gold, and I was saving every primogem since Nahida waiting for the moment she arrives. Now I'm completely crushed and dead inside.
Out of desperation I pulled for hutao and got her c1 with homa... I break the game and now I can chill and RIP ☺️🤣☺️ LIKE TO SAY NEARLY ALL SUMERU CHARACTERS ARE SUPER NICHE AND MORE TRASH.. I'd wait for Fontaine if I were you or pull for Ayaka Ganyu zhongli...anyone with nahida being the only exception... Rest sumeru is pure tragedy.....😭😭😭
Man, I feel bad for that unknown leaker that said she’d be in Standard and everyone else just 🤡 them. It made sense Number-wise, but also would’ve been Hmmge since it would mean there would be 2 Pyro Claymores
Really puts it into perspective for those original leaks saying she was gonna be a 4 star, honestly, she might as well have been for all the good she is rn.
That's really weird how they managed to make dehya such a good character in terms of design/animations/personality but balancing team just completely butchered her
@@vicv3940 I'm still high on copium, maybe it's a thoma/kuki situation, where a character is completely shit, and then it's a complete turnaround next version
@@argonianguy6226 it’s possible but it won’t make her amazing she will just be useable btw I’m not against you I’m just trying to lower your expectations for her so you don’t get disappointed again later It’s a tragedy
You need to specify it even more. Small cryo slimes. Because the big one has shield, and Dehya's skill can't proc against shielded enemies 💀 To be fair her skill is just exactly like Raiden and Albedo's skill but yknow their kit are more coherent than Dehya's
@@cocoroach_ok Dehya tickled a hydro slime with her burst in the livestream. They're gonna need to do more than throw in some small cryo slimes to make her look good, she's gonna need the national team to carry her through her own trial or something
they most likely made her like that because they had planned to put her in standard lol. They work on character months before their beta they know what they want
@@oh-noe in this situation it looks more like a bandaid instead of intended, like a last minute quick fix rather than their plan, from a player among many others who were here during the first anniversary sherade, we have a sense for a rushed fixes done by mihoyo to cover their ass rather face the consequences
@@wigglerman1414 not really i mean.. the first leak that comes out says she's a 4 star tho I don't have that senses I forgot what they did in the first anniv after Zhongli buff they never messed up some characters again I only remember everyone complaining about reward
@@wigglerman1414 I’m a 1.0 player I know what happened during the anniversary. There’s a difference between a character they’ve been working on for months vs an anniversary event. A quick bandaid fix is not to put her on standard banner, a quick bandaid fix would be to buff her a ton so people can’t miss her anymore as a limited. Her being put into standard banner is most likely a planned thing, and seeing that we just recently got thighnari added to standard, it seems like they want to increase standard character pool. You’re talking like they can’t buff characters if they want in beta, if they see a need for a buff they will buff. If they don’t see a need they won’t. Her being made weak compared to top tier 5* makes sense if they want her as a standard character
@@oh-noe how many Inazuma Character on standard banner? None? Now how the fk Sumeru got it first before Inazuma? Stop your bs They made her worse that's why she is standard banner
@@justadragonnamemarcus1751 if they added hp scaling ON TOP of her already low atk scaling she'd be better. but they reduced her attck scaling so stuff like noblesse, bennett burst doesn't work as well.
The editors are really something else. They knew for a fact that some of us would be watching Zajef’s face bounce around, hoping that it would line up perfectly with a corner. And right when it did, Zajef claps and the bouncing stops. Top tier editing.
miHoYo saved the (absolutely not) best Sumeru 5* character for last... 🤡 When Dehya's banner starts it will have been 7 months from reveal to release as a playable character, she and everyone who's been waiting for her deserves way better than the crappy kit they gave her...
dehya is the perfect character to make as a burgeon-focused character because she's the first pyro to be released in the sumeru/dendro patch but nah... fuck it, i guess.
When I saw Dehya I hoped she'd be 5* Xiangling or Pyro Beidou at best, and Burgeon only char at worst- BUT HOYO DECIDED SHE SHOULD BE NONE OF THOSE THINGS
@@googlrscholar yeahh, her reducing burning dmg to acceptable self dmg (you know, cuz she bodyguard) and buffing its dmg to enemies somehow would be VERY welcome. I would prefer if she doesn't have Nilou-esque restrictions for that but hey, I'd still prefer that much more than whatever she is now.
Her being a defensive unit is cool, just make her less sh#t. Give her E perfect uptime or more like albedo/raiden, remove her atk% MVs for hp% ones with more power, give her a burst that has any sort of functionality beyond dmg or at least make it 40 cost.
@@webbedshadow2601 Exactly! I was thinking along the lines of how I'm enjoying Bennett/Razor Burgeon (and co.) so I'd rather she wasn't a Burgeon unit that simply upstages them, but it seems I forgot to specify I'd like her to be used for something at all.
This is why character leaks and theorycrafters are important. Imagine people skipping the likes of Yelan to save up for Dehya (unless you REALLY like her just for her aesthetics alone).
I was thinking the exact same thing. in this other game I play, which has wayyy shittier devs than genshin btw, we at least get something called "the road ahead." it happens about 4 times per yr and lays out the next 3 months worth of content. it doesn't even take away from the money they earn, if anything, it helps generate hype.
Yep. I was on the torn between skipping Alhaitham to guarantee myself Dehya or getting him. And then the beta came along and solved my problems immediately.
@@bobjones1934 true and facts, but sadly there's so many waifu>meta "enjoyers" in the casual community, heck many of them don't even know what ICD is lmao
@@adamant2239 and why is that such a problem for you? Are people playing the game differently from you bothering you so much ? Both you and Bob sound like pretentious losers who make your knowledge about a fucking *video game* a part of your identity. Then ridicule people who don't fit your personal bubble. Pull your head out of your ass and stop being a tool.
@@adamant2239 Or they just want to play the game with the characters they like. There's no reason to force a meta onto players when there isn't even any pvp or competition or leaderboard. Sure big numbers and good team comps for said big numbers are always nice, but that's not what the general audience enjoys or even cares for. They want to just play the characters they like and that brings them joy which personally I can fully understand. Fun should always be the number one priority.
I wanted Dehya... I also thought about getting Yelan but with hydro nation right around the corner I might just wait in case I prefer a different Hydro character instead of Waifu Xingchiu.
Well, that is not bad idea, since hyperbloom simply broke the game. No, really broke, now it's brain-dead friendly and ok investment is enough. Add brain dead Ayato' playstyle and Nilou's 'use this and that' kit to the picture...
So far with this game, it always has been like this for me. It's either the character design is so meh, or it is good but with trash kits/ boring kit. Been playing since 1.0 and I still don't main anyone. How much I would love if Azure lane, fate, arknights, blue archive had similar combat system as in Genshin, at least it would be more likely in those games to find a character that is both aesthetically and gameplay-wise great and worth the money/game currency. 🙄
I can't believe they did her so dirty. She's such a fucking cool character, and Amber does an amazing job bringing life to her. Really disappointing. I guess our only hope is that they buff her in the future.
Unlikely. Standard characters are usually forgotten in terms of new artifacts. Hoyo also stated that they’re never buffing post release like zhongli ever again
@@Ivy-jq6di I really hope nobody pulls on her limited banner. Show Hoyoverse that if they serious couldn’t care less about making a character people want to pull for and enjoy using then as a consequence nobody will pull or spend money.
@@w3lcom39 They're putting her on the standard banner after her limited banner because they've already assumed nobody cares about her and that she won't make money. There's a reason they're doing this with her and not, say, Nilou or Alhaitham.
@@Ivy-jq6di Fuuuuuuu that SUCKS I was just thinking they could save Dehya if everyone complained and got into an uproar like with Zhongli, she just needs a numbers & ICD buff to save the kit but fat chance of that happening
@@scyi.3665 Albedo provides off field damage which Dehya cannot, he gives ER back, has 100% uptime on his E and the bonus of crystalized shield for survivability. Dehya can only provide some fire and hp
@@shibainu1428 Why Albedo is better: -Can use geo resonance which buffs himself and your active character -Has a 4s cooldown on a 30s duration ability with massive range -Gives you 125 EM by simply using his burst -Actually does damage
I mean tighnari is also there but ig it makes sense they probably thought they made a damn strong standard banner character so next one was made trash. I am pissed chances of getting tighnari is lower now ahhh
I pulled a Dehya I pulled a Dehya I pulled a Dehya I'm not feeling very good I pulled a Dehya Lost 50/50 At 90 pity Not even Qiqi And now I'm out of primogems 😭😭😭
Get in line ? There's tons of people who were excited for Passenger in Arknights too and they also ended up being pretty ass. How are y'all acting like "I waited months for this" = " I'm owed something good " lmao it's like y'all forgot this is a predatory gacha company, not your next door neighbor you ask for sugar.
@@justsomeguy727 I'm not following, is your point really as simple as 'people should not be disappointed by the decisions made by a company'? Why? If people were hyped for a new product, like a new iPhone, and Apple failed to deliver to their expectations, would it really be so wrong for people to complain about it on the internet? What are you, the social media police?
@@justsomeguy727 the difference is that passenger with the new modules and the new game mode has become very useful, Dehya will hardly get the same treatment
i think that was before they anncounced her to standard banner. Zajef would literally be contradicting the entire theme of his channel by wasting primos on cons.
@@ciciosweep intro is animated. Anime comes from word "animation" not "Yakuza 0". I know what is this game. I read this goofy "jikes" in Shaggy voice, this word as oopsie-daisy belongs to Scooby Doo or similar silly shows.
I have a weird feeling that she wasn't supposed to be this bad, and that she wasn't planned to be standard. But they were too lazy and didn't notice how awful of a job they did with her until it was too late, and they made her standard after the fact to try and fix it, but it doesn't fix anything
The only real beta testing they do is behind the scenes on their own time, and they refuse to fix anything from player feedback. They need to call these public beta tests what they really are. Early access previews.
@Zictive err no? Instead of thinking what ratios need to be buffed and changing the code in each one specifically why not just put her into standard the code is much easier lol
@@dylan3746 Bro, you think they cant do calculations on their own like we saw in this video? They just need to double her burst damage and she would be ok.
Burning might be a team comp to use her in which could be fun. Like, she applies pyro so rarely you can focus on refreshing dendro I guess. Idk. If I get her I'm probably gonna try that out.
The absolute worst part is that they announced that she would be on the standard banner in the livestream - implying they had premeditated this. Even if by a miracle all regions of the playerbase complain in unison, like with Zhongli and to a lesser extent Yae Miko, its not guaranteed she would be buffed to a normal 5 star because they would logically have to back out of her being in the standard banner, I think. Its just so mindblowing that DEHYA out of nowhere, for some unknown or arbitrary reason, gets this treatment. Wanderer was underwhelming but is viable, Alhaitham is pretty good, so why this treatment all of the sudden? Why break precedent and have 2 pyro claymores on the standard banner? And the worst part is that Dehya fans will now essentially HAVE to pull for her during her focus banner for constellations, because once she's on standard, it'll be extremely unreliable to get her. I want everyone who cares to blow up their forums, surveys, and all possible avenues of feedback, but I really don't know if it will matter. But I know they do notice because they even mentioned the anti-aliasing settings issue a while ago. Its just so weird and feels really mind-fucky that they just fucked over Dehya for seemingly no reason.
I think the worst part is that they made her so bad that it brings down the standard banner reputation even further xD. Like I strongly feel they should have just made her power level be the same as older 5 star units even if they intended to drop her on the standard banner .After that they can release some meta char on the limited banner instead of this insane power leak going on. People can only lose and get sick of so many bad 50/50 units before they can't take it.
Not a Liyue character or an Honkai expy so there's litteraly 0.00000% for her to ever see a buff or a fix of any kind. Now Mihoyo, make me a liar. I triple dare you, make my post age like milk (please).
Tbf if you really like Dehya, then it’s still better to pull her limited banner since it’d be 50/50 with guaranteed vs trying to luck sac losing 50/50 and win a 1/7 odds
The only arguably "challenging" part of genshin is the spiral abyss, which most casual players don't even put effort into since it only gives like 3.75 of a wish per 2 weeks. You can pretty much get by with any character in open world or against the story bosses. It's not far fetched for some people to look over an objectively weak unit if they like the design and personality of the character itself. Some people don't really care so they don't mind if mihoyo "ruined" her stat-wise. Point being, it's not surprising at all, I can see how this sucks for people who focus on the combat aspect but I can also see how this means jack shit to people who just play the game for the other aspects available aside from the combat stuff. Edit: I'm also super glad they put her into standard banner, this means I don't have to use my Eula funds on her and just hope I get her down the line losing a 50/50. Though the prospect is scary of being so unfortunate and getting every standard banner character except Dehya in losing 50/50.
I remember people skipping Cyno, Wanderer and Alhaitham because their expectations were high that Dehya will be broken because of 'waifu bias', 'mihoyo hating male characters' etc. etc. etc.
When I first saw her I nearly fell into the waifu trap but I'm so glad that I decided just to pull for as many 3.0 characters that I can. I honestly thought that after the whole Alhaitham nerf thing (which even isn't that bad) they would never make an waifu character bad. I was wrong. We were wrong. If a character looks good and has a good personality I'll just get them rather than saving 400 pulls for a mediocre unit even at c6.
I skip Nahida and chances to get both Faruzan+Gorou pack to get close c6 on top of all Sumeru. I never expect Dehya to be good, but at least can keep up with Xiangling on different team. But yeah, Qiqi clam actually better, Xinyan actually better, that's not cat ear but hair, OH STANDARD BANNER. All hope is lost. At least Yelan and Hutao banner still running atm and Ayaka on 2nd part of next patch for us who gave up.
Well Cyno is an easy skip regardless but man that's wild especially considering how good Al-Haitham is....I skipped wanderer for Raiden and Al-Haitham for Yelan which Im happy about and now I can Skip Dehya for Ayaka lol
I wish Mr. Editor kept the part from the stream where he says "I've seen a lot of people saying Dehya's really bad... They're right." Would've been truly the Jebait of all time.
she definitely will be good once the hydro archon comes out right? right zajef right? I SAVED FOR 5 MONTHS I SKIPPED EVERY SUMERU CHARACTERS WHAT DO I DO
Hydro Archon will buff Max HP and make the entire party scale off HP, making Dehya's ascension stat very valuable. Source: My uncle works at Mihoyo trust
Our Father who art in heaven...hear me out, man, please. I beg of you. There's this video game, Mr. God, sir. It's called Genshin Impact. A lot of the time, it really sucks, but sometimes, it's really cool. And in this video game, there's this character that's going to be released soon that I think is pretty nifty. Quite fun. Very cool. Like, triple thumbs up. And it would be really nice if she wasn't the antichrist. That's all I'm saying, all right? Just...don't make her the antichrist, please.
One of the most sad and skippable characters releases I've seen yet, the fact that she's thrown into the Standard Banner immediately after is a slap in the face, man, they did her dirty, I don't think Tighnari was nearly that poorly treated even. This also demonstrates just how good Thoma is, he sharply rose to the spotlight since Dendro, Xinyan is able to compete against her, Diluc outdamages her despite his numbers being outdated, and if compared to Zhongli, Dehya is like him but with extra steps. If you think about it, Dehya is a jack of all trades, master of none kind of deal, a poor one at that. Edit: Tighnari's situation is indeed different than Dehya's and it's a lot more reasonable as an introductory Dendro character, he is also quite strong. Although it's true that Thoma is still underwhelming, his Burgeon build isn't a bad option compared to other Pyro units in terms of consistency. Which makes me think, we will soon have 2 five star pyro claymore units on the standard banner, quite odd considering that there is still no 5 star geo unit yet in there *looking at Albedo.
comparing her to tighnari is like comparing aloy to ganyu. tighnari is so much better and a really good dendro dps. dehya is...definitely a disappointment
Tighnari wasn't even poorly treated tho? He got buffed during Beta phase despite the fact people knew that he'll be in Standard months before he even got drip marketed They added Tighnari to Standard just cuz Dendro is new and they felt it is necessary to make 1 Dendro 5 star unit to be available all the time (no idea why they haven't put a single Geo one still) He's a strong Dendro DPS with good constellations, Dehya is just got awful with above average constellations which put her near other C0 units while she's at C6...
@@R.Sinnia The reason they prioritized dendro over geo was because geo already has a couple of good 4 star geo units that are fairly easy to obtain (Ning, Noelle, Gorou) Geo is also an element that doesnt care about reactions while dendro is heavily reaction based/dependant.
No, Thoma isn't good and never reached the spotlight. He only went from absolute garbage to being usable. If you look at Thoma's counterparts on the other color, Kuki and Raiden hyperbloom, he's nowhere close those two. Thoma is only hyped as a burgeon dps because no other chara is interested in burgeon. Thoma isn't good. He's simply less bad at that specific role. If you specifically want a defensive pyro unit aside from Bennett, Tankfei is much more reliable than Thoma.
Remember when Elden Ring first came out and some Genshin fans said they wished the game’s open world could be as hard? Well generous Hoyoverse heard their calls, all they have to do is pull for Dehya and Genshin open world will become Elden Ring levels of difficulty! How nice of them, this was the true end game content all along!
@@justsomeguy727 like the other guy said. tighnari was always leaked to be on standard pretty early into the beta and was confirmed by many leakers while dehya becoming standard was only leak by a few people and only one of them made a reddit post about. which nobody believed
Wow even mihoyo knows how bad they did… such a huge shame. All they had to do was give her a special buff to burning or triggering multiple burgeons at once, just how nilou gets her special blooms. Guess I’m finally leveling my xianglibg haha
I mean there are so many different ways to go wild (which would be cool for her theme). Fuck, reduce ICD from everything during her burst, or allow her burst to gain benefits/proc both Normal Attack and Burst damage benefits. She'd still have ER costs as restrictions and it'd be a large buildup, but it'd be a really cool fireworks for that few seconds of every rotation.
Honestly I would've loved if Dehya is a burgeon focused character like how Nilou is for bloom. I don't care if a character is niche, as long as they're strong in that niche. It's certainly would've been better than whatever Dehya's kit right now.
It would suck if a niche character enters standard banner though... Imagine soneone pulling for their 1st or 2nd 5 star, then losing to a unit that's only functional in one(1) team comp that's only good at AoE. That would hurt.
Well as much as I hate niche characters like Nilou, I think it'd be far more fucking better than what we're getting right now. Better to get a character that atleast does something in their niche than not do any fucking thing at all.
@@Infernaladmiral I love Nilou so much and I don't understand people who hate Nilou because she's "niche" then worship Itto as if he's not locked in triple geo or Eula as if she's not locked with at least one electro for superconduct and one cryo teammate for battery. I understand if you don't like her character, but seeing "Niche" as a reason for hate is fucking weird. Every single character have one or two teams they're optimal in, and that doesn't change for Nilou.
Unpopular opinion but I personally would not spend money on a obviously flawed character. I don't want to reward HYV's balance team's laziness for shafting a character so unbelievably hard. HYV only listens to wallets and not our complaints. Our last resort is to use money to signal to HYV that this is unacceptable.
You'd have a field day if you ever found out how many gacha games make dogshit characters every now and then. It's not "laziness" it's a conscious decision because they're a predatory company trying to bait people. There's a difference between being lazy and just deliberately choosing to do something / act a particular way.
It just makes it worse that her banner is being sandwiched between two high selling banners (Hu tao + yelan Def gonna be highest selling to date/ one of the best cryo dps and her best support) so I think taht they'd expect to not get that much revenue from it regardless
but I wonder what made them want to put her in the standard banner in the first place?? no matter how I look at it, it just doesn't make sense. we don't even have a geo character there, so I have to wonder if they plan on making standard banner updates more frequent now...
@@nyooang I hate people that always associate everything with racism and this is getting into too much conspiracy for my liking, but it's not exactly a secret how china is so against having dark skin characters in their entertainment. The dev has love for dehya, which shows in her design and animation. They care. But their Chinese overlord doesn't like it, and long story short, here we are. The dev probably doesn't want to put her in standard at first, but at this point with her lackluster kit, there's no other choice. Again, I honestly don't like this theory of mine. But I can't seem to grasp the logic behind their moves, except that their Chinese overlord forces them.
@@nyooang my assumption is that they didn't plan her initially to be standard banner. Rmb after alhaitham release (who got doomposted for some beta nerfs) they busted ALOT of leakers into oblivion and safelocked dehyas anims, action and multipliers for a long time. This actually hyped her more bc of the mystery and players assumed she'll be more op than alhaitham. If dehya was meant for standard mhy wouldn't go through this length. Mhy's tactic was prolly selling a low effort kit charac via keeping them hidden/unleaked (so no one could decide if she's actually worth pulls). By the time players would find out she's not that great, they can't do anything but set on rolling for other characs next banners OR get her c1 like raiden with her c2(steady sales flow, tho scummy) But that plan failed as ppl were still able to leak it and avoid mhy's bull**** marketing scheme. So they resorted to selling her on standard to avoid the zhongli launch complains. Why they chose std banner over buffing her? Idk tbh. Sth abt this felt personal tho.
One of my many issues with her kit is that I have trouble understanding is why they called her skill's effect a "mitigation" when it's a damage TRANSFER. She only has the ability to mitigate damage that has been transferred to her, and even then, it requires her to retake the field and either recast her skill or activate burst. Also, as unlikely as it is, she can transfer 200% of her own max HP to herself, but only heals 50%? If she starts with lower HP (say 50%), she runs a serious risk of just killing herself with her own mechanic. "She's going on standard banner" doesn't come close to justifying how bad this kit is, even on an internal level.
The higher cap on the ability compared to her self heal kind of makes sense. It is there to allow for healers that heal the off-field team, as well as Dehya receiving on-field healing from an off-field healer.
@Axterix13 While I understand that, because she doesn't fully protect your on-field character to begin with if you run a healer that only hits the on-fielder, such as Bennett or Diona, you then get stuck with choosing who to heal. If you heal your main on-fielder, Dehya is reliant primarily on her own healing to fight against however much her transfer has grabbed, which could be rough depending on her start point because of how much more her transfer is able to grab than she is capable of healing. If you heal Dehya, then your on-fielder gets left in a more precarious situation. It also means eating up even more time for healing, either by making Dehya or the healer stay on more often to cover for her insufficiencies. I really have trouble thinking of any other characters with so many obvious flaws. On the bright side (for me) them releasing a character this poorly designed is enough to get me to quit the game entirely. I'll play through 3.5 as a final chance, but when that survey comes up, I'll probably just lay out my thoughts on how they waste the potential the game has and be done.
Words can't explain how disappointed I am after the 3.5 stream. As a fan of Dehya and Eula, I lost big time. I am well aware of the meta but I like to stick to my favorite characters and try to give them the best I could. But sometimes it's just tiring. I am not strong enough.jpg
If you thought Mika is good for Eula, reconsider. He's not good. The fact Eula will be on different banner than Mika is a blessing. Mika requires c6 to be a SIDEGRADE to Rosaria while being more restrictive with both team building and enemy compositions. His phys dmg buff is only 10-20% in single target and requires him to hit 4 enemies for the full 40-50% buff. He has severe energy issues and it's hard to play him without third cryo character. Attack speed buff will only add one extra stack to Eula's burst. Characters like Zhongli or Bennett or Diona would have simply been better in many scenarios.
@@Progeusz I am well aware. But separating the physical support from the only 5 star physical DPS is just trolling. It's already bad enough that Mika isn't even good. Could've at least put them together so diehard Eula fans can get something new to play around while on their way to C6 Eula. Not to mention Mika does nothing for freeze team players who're going for Ayaka/Shenhe. It's just trolling on both sides. 🤷♂️
@@lakelacosero6687 having a dedicated support is good for the game tho? The devs will have a bit more creative freedom and more characters can be created. Overall, I still prefer universal support, but if op is a Eula main, the obviously they want a niche physical support 🤷♀️
The bit about standard characters not having real hope for buffs feels frustratingly true - Mona's C1 still doesn't even work with Dendro reactions even after a 3* weapon was updated to include them. They (generally) just feel forgotten and/or left-behind
if dehya is keeping her low numbers on release, then her heading straight to standard banner makes a lot of sense. in my case, what sucks about adding dehya to standard banner is there'll be less chance of getting tighnari cons; or the many 5 star standard banner weapons I've yet to have.
The way the standard banner works is you get a character/weapon then u get the opposite next..... This cycle breaks sometimes but then the next is guaranteed the other..... So if u get 2 characters back to back, the next is guaranteed a weapon..... So Dehya isn't really competing with weapons she's with the other standard characters
Same, to me I was totally OK with her being limited because I could skip her, but if she's standards she's like diluting the pool that contains Tighnari cons, skyward Harp, wolf's gravestone and other things. And people who like her will have a harder time getting her jn the future. Kinda a lose-lose situation.
@@sagearbor9414 Qiqi is nice in hyperbloom and mono-cryo, what do you mean? Best healer in the game and decent sub-dps with clam set. It's not unit like Xinyan, chill.
I keep coming back every day to watch the first 7 seconds. It's a truly legendary intro, props to Zajef, to the editor and to whoever made the dancing chibi dehya gif.
I knew her scaling's were bad (been lurking in the leak thread for the past month), but her NA's are worse than Chongyun's. Thats.... Chongyun HAD the lowest NA scaling's of the claymore users, so for her, a 5 star to be worse than the lowest scaling 4 star is fucking abysmal. What the actual fuck. Ripperonis Dehya. You will be missed, cant wait for you to ruin my 50/50 and deny me the standard characters I do want. (Curse you Tighnari and Diluc. SMH, got a stupid lvl 90 R2 WGS and noone to use it. Lmao.)
i literally fell on my knees when i found out shes going to be standard and when I found out abt her multipliers. shes the reason why I played this godforesaken game in the first place and I'm being met with the worse possible outcome.
@@oyfum2638 The 2 harbingers we got are somewhat unique with their playstyles, and quite decent when it comes to meta, so maybe she'll be interesting as well..? **inhales copium**
I really appreciate the editing quality. Normally I wouldn't watch a 40 minutes video but the editing and the overall quality of the video made me sit through. Kudos to the editor.
kudos to the editor - they're fucking amazing and i hope they get paid well, because they deserve it. i do hope zajef went to Bedge and that his hands feel fine tmrw. YT peeps, check today's VOD for some Piano Quality Time and singing! you're missing out. still watching for now, but imo the pre-release dmg calcs can fall a little flat if you're not familiar with average damage of other (when invested into) pyro damage dealers/don't do much abyss; i hope the post-release will have a direct comparison to xinyan/diluc/anyone else, though ofc it's up to zajef. i doubt the usual audience would struggle, but there might be new people flocking in looking to confirm she is... not goodge.
from my understanding she literally gets outdamaged by xinyan in mono pyro and gets obliterated by diluc vape/overvape 💀so dont even bother with xiangling or hutao or yoimiya
What a fuckin underwhelming and confusing patch this is man.... They release a bad 5* and later to be found that the 5* is going on the standard banner... and they release physical support and not re running the only decent physical carry... AND they are re running Ayaka and Shenhe.. Shenhe I can understand but ayaka.. SHE IS NOT EVEN PART OF ANYTHING IN THIS PATCH ... and the 3.5 abyss hard counters freeze teams.. (you can play in second half but Wenut is going to make it a hell)... Events are also underwhelming except the Vibro event... The only thing that excited me is the Dain's quest and 22 free pulls....
The slow zoom in when he talked about reruns had me dying. 😅 yeah Dehya was a character that I really wanted to get in a future rerun, but after she was added to standard banner, I guess I'll get her when I get her considering how terrible her whole kit is.
Our father who are in heaven, hear me out man plz. I beg of you. There's this video game, Mr god sir. It's called Genshin Impact. A lot of. times, it really sucks, but sometimes it's really cool. And in this video game, there is this character that will be released soo that I think is pretty well. Pretty nifty. Quite fun, very cool. Like triple thumbs up. And, it would be very nice.. If she was not the antichrist, okay? That's all I'm saying, okay? Just don't make her the anti-christ, please.
@@Shigatsu- Well, at least you know for sure that you can get any character you want on a next patch. You can also get Yelan or hu tao now. Don't be discouraged. Yelan is such a great character.
@@miktxz oh i know yelan it's great , i pulled for her day 1 of her First banner , I'm still pulling for Dehya tho ,it took me 765 days to get Mona so I'm not testing my luck getting Dehya on a lost 50/50 lmao
Prayge Our father who art in heaven, hear me out man plz. I beg of you. Theres this video game, mr god sir. Its called genshin impact. a lot of the times it really sucks but sometimes its really cool. and in this video game there is this character that will be release soon that i think is pretty well. pretty nifty. quite fun, very cool. like triple thumbs up. and i, it would be really nice...if she was not the anti christ... okay. thats all im saying okay. dont make her the anti-christ plz.
up until the point they revealed her kit, i had a tiny hope that she would be decent later down the line. But then they said those cursed words, " from 3.5 dehya will be added to standard banner"and i felt that thing weighing on top of chest just become 10 times heavier
@@fansim6110 Yeah I understand that. What I'm saying is maybe in Fontaine the meta will be flipped on its head again just like how dendro did it. But it is hard to see any buffs to her also not affecting other pyro characters useless it's made specifically for her but because she's a standard banner character Hoyo doesn't have a reason to do that since she'll likely will never have another limited banner. They essentially gave up on her kit. Also when I say Fontaine I don't mean just the archon but the entirety of the 4.0 roster. Dendro was completed as an element quite quickly so maybe a new hp nieche in fontaine will be cover by multiple characters in just a few months like dendro was.
Good video zajef, good to have an creator who is honest about how the character will feel to the general public and not just for the unga bunga whales and content creators experience
You'd be surprised at how conflicting Dehya's kit and how cruel Dehya's treatment is. Some of what I say you may already know from what Zajef mentions in this or previous Dehya-centered videos. Dehya got Murphy's law exactment. First. poor popularity amongst CN is a bad start as CN has a lot of power over character sales, and thus, HYV's treatment of that character as a revenue source. Then, Dehya gets nerfed in beta. And when the buff mattered, it was actually insignificant, just so it would explain her ascension scaling, instead of shaping the kit around the ascension stat, or shaping the ascension stat around the kit to make sense. Next, Dehya was given the worse caveats for a pyro character and just for any burst or skill. For a vape, personal dmg scaling matters, and vape is a dps role's elemental reaction. Dehya's wasn't there so she wasn't really a vape character, also given that her burst has standard ICD. Dehya's burst as many already know, is an automatic long-yet-short burst animation, similar to Ayaka's. The issue is that current roster needs NA to trigger their ability, such as XIngqiu's =, Yelan's, Yunjin's, Thoma C6's, or any atk speed buffs. It also means she can't dodge in her burst in this fixed state of punching wildly and bludgeoning enemies away. Her burst Burgeon recommends fast pyro to keep up with dendro core production, but nope, Dehya gets 1+1.5s for skill procc rate. That's 1 second longer than needed. But wait, there's more! Dehya's skill isn't even consistent with burst. Doesn't funnel well into burst, especially since Dehya is played off field in skill, and on-field in burst, and burst also takes down her skill which gives her that damage interruption as well as additional particles from skill and more damage alongside her burst. Dehya's skill and burst can't coexist. Dehya can't cast skill while in her burst, and casting burst in her skill will just remove it. Simply put, only one or the other can exist at once. You use her burst, she gives up her skill and whatever perks it has. Cruel and clever way to create conflict between two portions of a kit, making it to where the effects of one and the other can't overlap. Another thing is that the damage mitigation mechanic is capped to half being shared, and that's at lvl 10. How many are gonna crown her skill for half? Team will still need another slot to be occupied by a healer/shielder. Dehya doesn't have any special perk that's exclusive to her like some Crowd control that only anemo would normally possess, nor is it some dmg bonus that is linked to her dmg taken. Thus, she is a flex slot. Hold your horses, there is more. Pretty obvious but Dehya has a pretty long downtime for her skill and her burst, as previously mentioned, picks it up, and repositions it. It doesn't even recast it like Kokomi, Xinyan also, or Fischl. Compared to Albedo, she lacks damage, where Albedo has the based Def scaling, lacks the energy generation Albedo's skill has, quick replacement albeit that Albedo has a breakable skill construct, but also a skill that interacts and coexists with their burst. Lastly, she was put into standard banner, which is quite a demonstration as a seal of fate that says, "not a cash crop; won't be buffed in any way." Dehya truly had thought put into, but for a bad cause. It's more difficult to make a kit that conflicts and contradicts than one that doesn't. Seriously, how does someone create a kit where skills and burst can't coexist? At least Cyno's can and he is also a PoC. Dehya was designed to be as terrible as they could make her to be. 50% damage splitting is not a traditional tanker's job. That's what an inefficent tanker would do in a traditional MMORPG or MOBA. Dehya's kit wasn't/isn't a mess. It's a victim of sabotage. Dehya was sabotaged. It's truly frustrating how a war hero of the archon quest is getting treated this badly intentionally. It isn't even an accident, considering just how carefully constricting the inner-working gears of her kit are in relation to each other. Sickening, yet impressive. It leaves me confused. I don't know whether I should applaud Hoyo for putting up that front or be appalled by the way they treat a character like a totalitarian threat.
She took split scaling to a new level. It was such a new level that if it was a building the first floor is Xinyan bad split scaling and Dehya's goes to the fucking MOON. Its sad, its apalling, its sickening, its infuriating. Its a new Qiqi nobody wants even more than the original
@@Charmlie.R until you realise they make her loose the damage reduction when she goes on field and do her burst + the damage she already taken for her allies, she probably gonna die if you aren't careful lol
I was waiting for this video and as i expected the team part gave me depression. I waited 5 patches for her, thank you Zajef for making me face reality 😭
Yeesh. Love her character and design but there was no way in hell I was wishing on her banner. Turns out I’ll probably be getting her anyways. Also no Eula in the mondstat phys banner?? Strange decisions were made this patch
Dehya is one of the coolest looking character and they make her to be the worst performance wise is just sad She was the only one I'm interested in outside of the Archon ofc from Sumeru when the region was first leaked but mhy did her so dirty ugh
Man I'm honestly upset. Seeing her on Twitter was the only reason I started getting back into genshin after dropping it out of boredom in 1.0. Imagine my pain when I found out that her kit is an absolute dumpster fire
Same shit happens to people in every gacha game under the sun. Shit ain't new or special to genshin / you. Either suck it up and deal with it or just take the L and walk away again. It's a video game, not a life commitment.
@Just some guy Oh trust me I know, but I'm still gonna be disappointed when a character I've been looking forward to pulling isn't even going to be worth using. And as someone who also plays Fate/Grand Order I'm used to knowing about new characters 2 years in advance due to the Japanese server being ahead of the English version by 2 years, compared to maybe 2 weeks for genshin updates and that's not counting what leakers say cause I don't follow leaks
I literally died inside after the confirmation she was a permanent 5*. So i used my funds in the current banners that are 100x times better. C2R1 Yelan + Jean C4 came in 110 pulls 🗿and i still got 183 wishes left for Dehya. *Success from suffer*
@@R.Sinnia same pain. 152 pulls for c0 yelan and c3 qiqi, 189 pulls for aqua( i already have a homa ). sometimes life just ain't fair. meanwhile my friend got c2 yelan with 130 pulls and pulled aqua at first weapon around 68