How The "Power Five" Ruined Four Star Characters | Genshin Impact 

Pretty much, Hutao was the first attempt by making her need lower hp to have maximum damage efficiency. It just opens your 2nd team comp's flexibility though since you have a free Bennett to use.

@@LelouchOfBritannia yep but even then hu tao can still use bennett specially more if he's c6 which just kinds of, not fully though negate the effects of her being >50% hp

​@@LelouchOfBritanniaand then Bennett can make hutao do more at max than she does below 50% anyway, even with homa lol

Another reason why so many enemies have been given ridiculous amt of EM is to make Bennett circle a deathtrap😂

Thats why bennet is bad now. Em dendro teams are just better in every way.

You got me on the first half, ngl 😂

i have read this way too many times now on different social media platforms. got anything new you can copy and paste somewhere?

​@@froeloe this is my third time

Displaying her mastery over both fire and polearms, Xiangling sends a Pyronado whirling around her. The Pyronado will move with your character for so long as the ability persists, dealing Pyro DMG to all enemies in its path.

best copypasta

Man, 1.0 was a wild time when people said Qiqi was S-tier and Bennet was trash. I cringe so much at tier lists from that time

​@@otozm92 That's because tier-lists back then were made DAY 1 or a week at most. Of course Qiqi is better than Bennett back then simply because Qiqi can on-demand heal meanwhile Bennett needed energy to burst and he does not heal fully, maybe you're forgetting that artifacts only really get good at AR 40. It's the same reason why the power 5 exists, Mihoyo themselves didn't know how their system worked and all these characters are huge oversights.

People were building physical Xiangling at that time. LOL

​​@@otozm92Because people thought like typical rpg games healers were needed but Genshin created a mess by making supports do more dmg than some Hypercarries

​​@@Dani_RdM😭😭 its the reason why my Xiangling has tl7 NA same for Fischl too 💀

It's possible it's because she was designed alongside them.

Yao yao and noelle complètes the éléments... because Noelle is strong for a geo caracter (her shield is very tanky). She is 4 star Zong+itto With rumors abou Navia and crystalise....

shes an insane tank honstly! i use her in nilou bloom and you literally just pop her burst and jump around. heals everyone, applies quite alot of dendro and tanks so well that you can pretty much just ignore any coppelia in the abyss (or that new gravity boss, yk what i mean). also heals on skill, which is good for the oveworld. honestly, people sometimes forget how good she is.

@@floriansanial2694 What I exactly thought while watching the video

She is a good unit. Though the spear actually gives Attack, not EM, unlike the other craftables.

They only dodged Bennett a lot in Sumeru because its focus was dendro. It will be hard in Fontaine unless they stop making attack scaling characters that don't rely on a gimmick. 2/3 of the new characters already desperately hold onto Bennett for their best teams.

@@wellwellwell881 I think we'll get more HP scalers that don't want Benny and will prefer Furina's generic damage buff very shortly

Im sure Bennett will come back when Natlan arrives and he is going to be in lot of Team comp with Natlan characters.

Considering we just got 2 new dps that practically require bennet to even function properly, there could be a decent chance that the 5 star version of Bennet might be coming, possibly with Natlan.

​@@wellwellwell881tbh if Xiangling doesn't have such energy problems she could fit in Lyney teams without needing Bennett. Just like Beidou in Cyno teams. And with Furina, it looks like healers who can heal the whole party are more preferred since Bennett burst only heals the on field unit

The thing is, kuki was, let's be honest kinda meh on realise only dendo saved her if dendro made xynian better, then maybe now even dendro can't save her dori needs c6 to do what c0 fish do hoyo just try to make unique characters but they end up making characters so unique it's bad or needs years for that character to be good maybe even hoyo stops treating 4 star like 5 stars for dps something wilo chandge until then nah

i mean, if they are locked to a specific niche, then they aren't power five level then. its not just about being super strong

@@silverYolo true because we can argue that sara gorou yun jin shenhe etc are grate because hoyo is never realising other neash elemental buffer

@@gintasasd6814kuki was designed with dendro in mind. Dendro didn’t “save” her, she just released earlier than it. I’d say they had Dendro reactions planned out since 2.5 (Yae’s release)

@@Marcus-iz7vq nope if character is realised 1 year before dendro it doesn't mean that character was meant for dendro because by same logic we can say raiden was made for dendro in mind to same as razor and barbara hoyo see if character is not being used they buff them indirectly take heizou faruzan was ment for scara but she revived xiao and heizou

layla is probably the best 4^ they released in the last 2 years; and she's just a discount/frost version of zhongli. you use her the same. only she has some modest frost mechanics that can work in a team, instead of useless geo mechanics.

​@@arizona_anime_fanTheres yaoyao whos an insane healer and also being dendro, the niche buffers like Faruzan,Gorou,Sara, and Yunjin, also kuki being cracked and you chose the shielder that brings nothing to the team other than a shield, not even healing

Layla is such a flex character that brings nothing to the team aside from a shield, calling her the best 4* in 2 years is just wrong

@@arizona_anime_fan The best 4 star they released in the last 2 years is clearly Kuki. She has the hallmarks of the power 5. No ICD in hyperbloom, role consolidation, and self synergistic (EM increases her damage and healing abilities). Layla does not have the features of a powerful 4 star. She is mostly just a shield with minor cryo application that obeys ICD rules. If her damage scaled with her shield strength then you might have a case or if her cryo stars fired at a rate similar to Fischl or Xingqiu while also being a shielder then you might have a case where she might be near them in power.

@@arizona_anime_fankuki, yaoyao, gorou, faruzan, and thoma are all better than Layla lmao. I’d even put Lynette above her.

Damn good observation ….seems like a made up plan in the bigger picture 😂

I would argue for a Beidou as the cool babysitter for these guys. Maybe not as much but she is definitely strong herself. I'd be willing to call it the power 6. Though the power 5 even match in height so Beidou would stick out.

They're the fuckin' Power Rangers bro!

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Yeah it sure does for some kind of random rp bs or band class

Yeah, my Mika is stuck at lvl 70 meanwhile Kuki is 40,I want to level her up but I don't have the time and energy to farm her boss

Yeah I think this is for me a big issue with weak 4*’s for me, it’s not even just artifact grinding, even getting a character from 1 to 80 can take some doing, especially because of the overworld mats you need. You need to kill a boss more than 20 times and spend resin doing it in order to ascend any given character.

Co-op?

Yup. Kuki is good because she has role consolidation like Bennett and Xingqiu. Faruzan, Gorou, or YunJin can all provide bigger buffs than Bennett but they are very restricted and do not have role consolidation. Those other 4 stars simply lack the power budget Bennett has as their buffs are only slightly stronger than Bennett in their best case. Another reason the power 5 are so strong is because of the rate of elemental application they have. Kuki, unfortunately only has no ICD in hyperbloom scenarios. Otherwise should would have far more widespread use.

I think Yaoyao is a decently close contender too, good healer and applies dendro pretty well

I think people heavily underestimate thoma, beidou, and yaoyao tbh.

​@@Marcus-iz7vqpeople underestimate diona and kaeya even more. Kaeya is the cryo version of Xiangling

yea, she contributes to basically the team comp version of that xiangling joke. "when in doubt, use -xiangling- hyperbloom." from what I've heard, kuki and raiden are really the only reasonable electro choices for hyperbloom. which is a shame because I have neither lol

Doesn't even have to be her triggering a reaction. The active character just needs to trigger an electro related reaction: quicken/aggravate, overload, superconduct, electro-swirl, and electro charge.

Just adding a small note, Fischls own reactions will almost never land an A4 proc, unless you are using her charged attack for some reason. A4 needs the on field character to trigger the electro reaction, so Oz attacks that trigger reactions will be considered as being triggered by an off field character (Fischl) instead, thus no A4. This is also the case for XQ/Yelan Burst attacks that trigger EC. Another thing, although it is correct that A4 has no ICD, it does have a ~0.5 second cooldown, so it is limited to around twice per second. C6 coordinated attacks are also tied to Oz, therefore they will never trigger A4 unless Fischl is on field. This is for people who still think her C6 is some huge power spike; it really isn't.

⁠@@lynnmorgan5897 true actually it isn’t a huge power spike, but the bonus uptime on her skill is welcome as a quality of life change.

More examples: - someone that changes the active characters dodge to a far ranging or homing teleport -someone creating a sniper tower underneat them like the geo samachurls and then buffing bows and plunging -someone that interacts with the geo-shards by turning them into elemental projectiles (we need a geo overhaul more but such character would create some geo viability) -in the same vein: someone who uses geo-shard pickup for a counter (for example an ULT-buff). Doesn't even have to be a geo character. just someone who interacts with all pickups and objects, like blooms and those new hydro spheres, thus making the inclusion of a geo character viable for the team. -someone that brings back falldamage for enemies, like jean was originally supposed to. -someone who locks your teams HP to 1, but buffs ATK to its limit in as long as they remain at 1 HP in a high risk high reward fashion for the pros. -a spear character who can throw his spear with his charge attack like a bow-wielder. Maybe create banner-zones on impact. -a geo character who creates a cage around you and your enemies so you can go crazy with overload and your foes will just bounce off the walls back to you.

There’s still more stuff that should be added too like artifact sets that aren’t just “hey look a 2pc stat buff that’s a copy of another one” Right now we have 4 artifacts that provide a 2pc Atk buff and yet we still only have 1 that provides a defense buff and is limited to Geo only despite there being a defense scaling unit called Xinyan. It’d be so cool to have an Emblem set but for Defense scaling characters so that we don’t just default to Defense Stacking Left Clicker like we do with Itto Noelle and Ningguang. It’d be nice for other future characters too cause only having Geo be the defense guys stinks. It’d be nice to have other defense scaling characters and artifacts cause it’d add more variety to both 4* and 5* character. Like imagine a 2pc Def set that buffed Defense by 30% like Husk, and then buffed your Burst by 75% of your Defense Stat. It’d make Xinyan go from bad to a very unique shielder who can provide a meaty defense shield and staggering Burst damage with her guaranteed Crit on her Burst

If looking at the archons; Anemo is Crowd Control, Geo has Impenetrable Defense, Electro must have Energy Recharge, Dendro needs Elemental Mastery, and Hydro are Hitpoint Fluctuations. I wonder how does Mihoyo approach Pyro and Cryo units

@@Derek-bq4fx can't wait for pyro archon to be something like "based on critical hitting REALLY HARD" and just skyrockets Bennet to be mandatory as a damage buff for huge attack stat crits with them

@@Derek-bq4fx Probably CD/CR.

@TheGreatAndEpicMe I know this is going to be farfetched, but what if its based on max healing- Like overflowed healing- Meaning with the pyro archon, pairing her with furina wont work hence the pyro archon not gaining stacks of stacks of damage Edit: By doing so, pairing the pyro archon with bennett also doesnt work

Yeah... I wanted Fichl and got a C6 Xingqiu instead. I didn't use him at all until he was the last character I had who didn't have lvl 10 Companionship.

My Xingqiu is still benched at level 20 at AR 55, I got Kokomi around ar 25 or so and had him since the beginning, I went out of my way to get Yelan in 4.0 just so I had a second off field Hydro. Him and the other three (except Benny) are on the do not build under any circumstances pile. I want to enjoy the game with charactes that make it interesting and enable new team comps, since I got Wrio I actually built my Thoma bc now he's really useful and comfortable to play. Also I never got why Xiangling is good? She basically needs to build every stat that every hyper carry wants, good EM, enogh ER, high Atk, also a 1:2 crit ratio please, for a 4* that's so much investment that It shouldn't be good anymore, also she literally wants Bennett with her at all times, and that screams good unit?💀

@@little_blackwinged_crow181 fOr A 4 sTaR, ThAt'S tOo MuCh oF aN iNvEsTmEnT, sHe NeEdS eVeRy HyPerCaRrY stAtS Tf does that even mean? Every character needs investment, it just boils down to how much time/resources are you willing to spend on a certain character. ShE's ReLiAnT oN bEnNeTt, hOw Is ShE a GoOd UnIt Bro, by your statement, Hu Tao shouldn't be considered a good unit because she's reliant on Xingqiu/Yelan. Nahida should be considered bad because you can't trigger her E without other elements/because she's reliant on procc-ing elemental reaction. Zhongli sucks because all he does is shield. Kazuha is trash because, like Nahida, he needs other elements to work, in his case, to swirl.

Eh it’s fine. Xingqiu Xiangling are my least fav characters by far and although I like Bennetts personality I hate his design and gameplay (not saying he isn’t good obviously) so anyways I haven’t used them and I never will. 95% of the content in this game is still so easily done with any character you want. Ik there’s a lot of meta heads out there and a whole bunch that just repeats stuff they hear without thinking, but GI hasn’t made a single non viable character. I understand the frustration tho ofc bc some newly released ch. have some decisions going into them and their kit as sort of control that these 5 guys didn’t have but idk I still encourage using “bad” units I don’t think there’s anyone in this world that will stop me from enjoying using Dehya Candace and Dori. Dehya is the only pyro application ch that I like, I find Candace shield actually incredibly useful and Dori I love her so much with Childe

@@little_blackwinged_crow181girl she is good. She can deal that much dmg while being just an off field meaning u get to slot even stronger on fielder. Like imagine Yoimiya but instead of ur dmg being centralised to Yoimiya only u can have her dmg in the background while having dmg from the likes of Childe, Raiden, Lynney, etc. imo even with just her as the main dmg dealer she can still carry

I'm waiting for Sucrose and Jean... for years....

@@clashcon11 Jean was the last of the original standard 5* for me, been playing since 2.1 but only got her about a month ago (wasn't even a 50/50 loss, it was a standard banner at 20 pity) now the only standard 5* I'm missing is Deyha

@@Eclipsed_Embers DUDE I WANT TIGHNARI SOOO BAD AND I STILL CANT GET HIM T-T (although I don't like Mona's play style and at least I never got her so got lucky there)

@@user-lw8ms7yc8w ehe... Tighnari was actually my first 5* after he got added to the standard banner... like I lost Nahida 50/50 (thankfully had enough primos saved that she was ultimately guaranteed) and got Tighnari. it was enough of a coincidence that I genuinely wondered if it was rigged to let people know that standard banner additions were going to actually be a thing from then on.

@@Eclipsed_Embers starting to wonder bcuz I saw A LOT of tighnari losses on the cyno banner right after his

They can't nerf them, but they CAN buff later units, dehya came in 3.3 iirc, them being so terrified of powercreep is ridiculous...

@@lXlDarKSuoLlXl3.5

Your 2nd take is like you don't want newer character that does good because you have invested too much into it And my friend that's how we get the stalemate powercreep where only certain units such as archons are bound to change scenario not the other unit hoyoverse just didn't utilise on powercreep as well as they did in Honkai 3rd they want everything to be either balanced or broken while they're afraid to touch older characters which in my opinion should've long powercreeped

They don't need to design upgrade characters, just alternative sidegrades.

​@@lXlDarKSuoLlXlthe whole dehya not getting buffed situation is wacky. Like hydro dragon man can exist but only zhongli gets a buff?

Wasn't the Freminet, shatter user? The flower set was made for burgeon even tho other sets do same. Baizhu buff burgeon reactions aswell.

i think you'd like Chevreuse

I find it pretty easy, just me though and I am very loyal

She needs good investment and Fischl. It's just she is nicher because of her ER needs than the other 4 stars

She is mid now, she used to be best paired with Fischl but after 3.0, Fischl has better teams that don't need Beidou.

@@wolfwoof2000she doesn’t really need fischl she just needs fav great sword lol

What do you mean not as easy? Beidou's gameplay is literally skill + burst unless you play her for her parry mechanics which isn't her optimal gameplay.

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YES, THAT GOD DAMN ALL-ROUND HALF-ASSED XINYAN!!! Spent so much time in my early game days trying to put her to use - only to figure out that she's neither a shielder, neither a F**KING PHYSICAL support, neither a dps (even though I'd be fine if she was at least one of the above). To comprehend the whole level of absurdity, please read more below. Backstory: I got Wanderer when I was early into the game, and didn't even had his A4 that allows free dodges. So naturally I need a shielder to comfortably spam his CAs. The only shielders available to me were Noelle and Xinyan, and Noelle has ridiculous cooldown that doesn't fit in at all. So I went for Xinyan which has shorter CD and synergize with Scara's A1 pyro infusion. And I also had some of Xinyan's consts! That constellations thingie must be cool because you have to be very lucky to get a certain character MULTIPLE times, right??? (Genshin was my first gacha so I didn't know better.) All that made her very suitable, on paper. But it turned out that paper is what her shields are made of, and most of all she has so very VERY VERYYY confusing and self-contradicting kit that was most probably made by a delirious opossum. Lets just take a quick overview: 1. She has a shield that scales on def. So should I invest in def? 2. It also scales on the number of enemies hit (???) - but what if I only have one strong boss, which is far more demanding for a shield? 3. And her NAs and burst scales off her attack only. So am I investing in def or atk now?? 4. Okay, since I need a shield which she has a rare luxury of - again, a shield that scales off def, so you gotta go all-in with that stat. Then she should have something in her ascensions or at least constellations that should boost that precious shield, right? RIGHT??? Well F**K YOU and no! Her """"perks"""" (I can't have too much "quote unquote" here) are: A4: «Skill shield boosts character with a 15% increased Physical DMG» - so she's also a physical support now. Huh, interesting. C1: «Upon scoring a CRIT Hit, increases ATK SPD of Xinyan's Normal and Charged Attacks by 12% for 5s» - what the actual f**k? So she's a shielder, support or wannabe dps now?? C2: «Bursts's Physical DMG has its CRIT Rate increased by 100% and will form a shield at Shield Level 3: Rave when cast» - BUT THAT SHIELD DOES P Y R O DAMAGE!!! Not to mention that she FIRST does that phys strike and only then goes pyro, so for the max dmg you have to cast her skill first (that makes a shield) and ONLY THEN do the burst (which makes the very same shield again). And why am I supposed to do her NA/CAs after, since that crit will proc her C1? So f**king messed up... C4: «Skill hit decreases opponent's Physical RES by 15% for 12s» - IT'S C4 ALREADY, WHERE MY SHIELD BUFFS ARE, FOR F**K'S SAKE??? C6: «Decreases the Stamina Consumption of Xinyan's Charged Attacks by 30%. Additionally, Xinyan's Charged Attacks gain an ATK Bonus equal to 50% of her DEF» - no surprises here, just a pure f**king disappointment of a lackluster dmg bonus WHILE ALL I NEEDED WAS A F**KING SHIELD, WHY DID YOU GIVE HER A SHIELD AND THEN MADE A L L OF HER IMPROVEMENTS ABOUT ATK THAT ANYWAYS WILL BE NONEXISTENT BECAUSE SHIELD ONLY NEEDS DEF??? WHY, MIHOYO??? WHYYYYYYYYY????????????? That's where I learned that not all characters are meant to be played. So much time wasted on reaserches for the game I then knew nothing about, and on hours of climbing with way too short stamina bar for that f**king violetgrass when I didn't even have a teapot to grow it in. So all in all, Xinyan sucks so hard. F**k Xinyan. And f**k the half-assed unplayable kits. F**k the delirious opossums of a lazy devs team. COINCIDENTALLY the only character with a kit of same shittiness was also a colored pyro claymore lady, just a 5-star this time. Sadly, she went straight to the standard banner to ruin your pity, but I guess we cried all we can about it a long time ago. Still I'm not losing a glimmer of hope for her to get a buff. She very well deserves it. That's it for today, thanks for coming to my TED talk. [Bad word was censored out because RU-vid insisted.]

Because they realized their mistake. That’s a good thing. Xiangling having no ICD plus snapshot is part of what makes her OP, that’s why they haven’t done that again.

one of the worst aspects of these are the "opps u switched out, now u miss your entire DPS" gimmick that plagues infusion DPS with long cooldown like Alhaitham and Cyno despite Noelle having no problems switching out of her ultimate, at least Alhaitham has extra chances at mirror blades using his CA, Cyno is dead on waters if you miss his ultimate timing

​@@therranolleo468well tbf even till this day only Noelle & Diluc has such gimmicks

@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58and I love them for this. I WISH we had more units who you can swap and their burst is still there.

@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 Noelle, Diluc and even Keqing

Besides Xiangling these guys are not starter characters a lot of new players don't have these guys. I'm 7 1/2 months in and just recently got Fischl from her last banner and got Benny and Xingqiu from my last standard pulls right before the reruns many can go up to a year and never see them on banner

100% started this feb. got my Xiangling then did lantern rite and got a copy of Xingqiu and its been easy sailing so far. Can even play Geo travler for roleplay bc it rly doesnt matter with those 2

I personally don’t really get it. If they made good 4 stars they would still make money, people wish for 4 stars also right? Obviously I understand more money might be made from 5 stars because more people wish for them specifically, but the wishing and pity for 5 stars will stay the same. Say I wish for this new super powerful 4 star on current banner for 42 wishes. I finally get them. But I also want to wish for another 5-star the next banner, don’t that just mean I just did the same amount of wishing I otherwise woulda done still? It’s all RNG mostly anyways, some people get the 4 star very fast and others are unlucky and get a 5 star before the 4 star and there’s no way to guarantee a specific 4-star, unlike 5 stars so you can technically wish forever, but the majority would probably get them in about 30-50 wishes. I feel like it wouldn’t change much tbh. If they made 4 stars worth wishing for more people would be wishing for specific 4 stars also.

@@YOU_SHALL_NOW_PASS And we could add that if they were to buff the older 4☆ characters, they could perform better and have more people rolling for them and having the business company make money in reaction instead of just being cannon fodder until players get a better character;

​@YOU_SHALL_NOW_PASS this right here. I got a c4 yaemiko trying to get kuki constellations because she is genuinely one of my favorite characters mihoyo had released. And I still don't have a kaveh despite having pulled nearly 100 times on the banner he was featured on. 4 stars can definitely carry their own weight purely from the non guarantee at hitting

Reverse powercreep system. I've no idea how terrible 4 star from Sneznaya will be, but for certain, only the archon will be worth pulling.

​@@backpackpepelon3867imagine they make one of the 4* really good and the power 5 becomes the power 6

mihoyo keeps nerfing my main healer im so mad (i deadnamed hoyo👹👹)

2 free bennets in total if you played during the 1.2 event back in 2020

@@MarionTubo88 Not sure where you got that info cuz I cant find evidence of that anywhere, afaik we only get a free weapon or free character unless it's a X.0 version. For 1.2 we got the 4-star sword Festering Desire and no free characters iirc

@@AlessaBlazelynn Yeah the Mandela Sucrose effect. How often do i forget that she isn't a shop character. Like I hate this. I make this mistake way too often.

Her taunt is really overlooked, it's a great defensive option without ever needing a shield. I play Keqing aggravate with Sucrose & Dendro MC and i die a lot, while it's not the case with either Lynette or Kirara

ikr!! I'm currently using her with Neuvi and bc of her taunt i don't have to bother about getting his auto canceled!!@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58

lowkey the gacha goat

@@spaghettios5748 The true Gacha OG

@@nierven i fucking love the lore units in that game it was so cool

Until you realize the teams without Furina will still work just as well and that the meta isnt really shifting at all because there's no real endgame content

it would be much easier to just not use Furina and stick to the old meta to be honest.

@@Swagumico That's a pretty meaningless point to make in a video about how the big 5 have been dominating the meta. You could just say to not use the big 5 because 4 stars outside of them would still work-- your damage would just fall through the roof. Same thing with not using Furina.

Removing Bennett is a problem for Xiangling too. Only Fiscl is unscathed

If only her hydro application was good as XQ and Yelan. So she is not the first choice for some Vape teams

I tried that but couldn’t take it and caved eventually. They just make a lot of stuff so much easier 🤷‍♀️

Thats what I did back when only 3 of them was seen as the broken units, I actively avoided raising them. But I wanted to use sukokomon before for Kokomi so I have a slightly raised Sucrose, Fischl and Xiangling now.

I hate fischl and started using her bc she c6'ed herself.

Making one of the first 4* be able to practically speaking delete half of the defense of an enemy is something they should not have done

​@@josebutereselrealto be fair its either her or tingyun and very rarely you can run both. I actually dont see many teams running pela even though shes so good.

@@fancymustache3793 most teams that run pela are hypercarries, like dan heng, blade, jing liu, jing yuan, and Seele, but most teams usually have other supports, like kafka and her nihility squad

@@josebutereselreal Jingyuan wants tingyun more though for the energy and massive atk buff, Dan heng honestly doesnt even need her OR tingyun his raw damage is just that absurd, Jingliu wants her mainly just because shes also ice so itll be usually more effective than tingyun amd im pretty sure seele wants tingyun if you dont have bronya but pela is just there if you can easily clear the fodder enemies with the def shred instead of the atk buff from tingyun

@@fancymustache3793 see, that is the problem, pela is there, and can be used, but she is not the best.

how do people go so long without getting 4* characters I started in 2.1, played on and off since then (generally I play from early September to mid-January then stop with only a couple of days of play in between) took me like 4 months to get Razor (the most evasive of the 4*s that was out at the time) now, besides the dedicated elemental supports (Gorou, Kujou Sara, Mika, and Faruzan) and the starting 3 (Amber, Kaeya, and Lisa) I've got pretty much every pre-Sumeru 4* up to C6

I agree with you and this is actually the reason I quit World of Warcraft years ago. The move from version 7 (Legion) to version 8 (Battle for Azeroth) was just too painful for me. They scaled everything down _heavily_ by doing a stat squish, de-powering the weapons we used all throughout version 7, out-leveling us from our legendary-rarity armor, etc. Once you open the can of worms of letting your players be extremely powerful, you just can't be conservative anymore. We'll always feel like the game "got worse".

100% this and it annoys me when people get it around backwards. I personally don't care about "enablers" who "enable" (prescribe) a small handful of teams. Unless those teams are ridiculously strong to the point of eclipsing other teams that character will never see the light of day on my account (Baizhu, Gorou, Sara). I want the freedom of creativity and expression, the ability to put two characters together and not feel hamstrung by putting them together, or by not pairing a character with someone they're tied to the hip to who also imposes their own constraints on the team. For the past 3 years I've generally stuck to 2-4 teams in abyss at a time even while I was constantly pulling new characters because new characters often hardly give reason for me to want to use them over what I already have. The most interesting (and sometimes downright frustrating) abysses are the ones that challenge my ideas of teams, forcing me to solve a puzzle for completion. Floors where parts of old team archetypes are good, but don't quite fully work so need to figure out who to pull out and who to slot in in their place. These substitutes are pretty much never the hyper niche "enabler" characters, but usually characters that are also flexible, just not quite as good under normal circumstances because they bring other things to the table.

​@mettaursp309 wait, are you saying baizhu's forever benched? Because him AND kokomi are the best healers we have to date. One enables freeze teams + stand still type teams. The other allows for mass party heal at a click of a button, is bis for furina AND is amazing for teams that have non-stop movement like cyno.

@@nobody-xh6ii I might use him when I get Furina, but I have no constellations on him so his lower dendro application puts him lower on my pick list. I have other characters who can fill the roles I need and more often than not I only need 1 dendro team at a time if any.

Ain't nobody hard locking you to the most overhyped characters in the game. There's PLENTY of teams that don't use them and do just as well as teams that do . Vars is literally rotting y'alls brains with confirmation bias.

nahh i think she was seen as good pre 1.6 em update because they used her for vape and melt showcases,, but her use rate definitely increased after the em update

Everyone who sings praises for sucrose never actually plays the character. It's so strange.

@@justsomeguy727 There's not a single character I play more than Sucrose. She's great.

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This is a solution for those who want to play the game and have fun with it. But for others who may not have a diverse collection of characters to choose from, knowing that your character is literally just a direct downgrade from another, especially in gacha, is just less incentives to play them.

Genshin kit devs have allergy to buffing characters kit they made bad intentionally and addiction to buffing power 5.

C6 Diona also buffs with her burst

wow we have the same idea about what makes or breaks a character lol. I value energy recharge and prefer quick swap characters, so chongyun is great for me. I just give him favonious greatsword and noblesse- perfect. a character with a burst cost of 80, I'm only gonna use if I like them and they make enough particles, like sucrose.

Yaoyao is a great dendro applicator and healer, diona heals and shields for cryo teams, and... that's about it

Kuki isn't universal, she's very good with hyperbloom, and that's about it Hyperbloom is great but that's just one type of team at the end of the day Edit: (Kuki in aggravate also good but the main thing making aggravate so good is fischl honestly. Not to say other characters aren't good with aggravate without fischl, but you'd mostly only use characters like kuki in aggravate with fischl)

Layla has the second best shield

But Murata is an archon 5-star. How the heck are Natlan’s rando Pyro units supposed to compete with Bennett and Xiangling?!

@@darylewalker6862 Yeah, I know she is an archon. But my point is that those 4* are so ridiculously broken that even some archons struggle to reach them, for example: do Raiden and Venti really outclasses sucrose and fischl in most scenarios? Doubt that. I wish that Murata has furina kinda vide where she takes the best of those units and collapses that in one kit

ganyu melt time

@@lucasfreitas2245 your example doesnt make sense because you cant compare characters that fill a completely different role.

the thing is Murata will definitely be another main DPS while Xiangling and Bennette are not. They are sub dps and suppport. It doesn't matter if Murata powercreeps them at all because they fill different roles. Not to mention the majority of the players ain't gonna get Murata.

Kuki and Yaoyao are exceptions because of their roles with Dendro, not because of them being good a C0. Kuki definitely struggle at C0 because she doesn’t have unlimited uptime on her E. I also don’t see the C6 4* star thing as an issue because they are easier to get, BUT trying to c6 a 4* is hard because there is no gurantee.

@@NrdDy C0 Kuki can just use burst to cover the downtime. Both C0 Kuki and C0 Yaoyao are strong and can run their respective dendro comps well. Can you say the same thing for C0 Thoma?

@@phoenixlau Thoma is ass. Period. Dendro made him relevant. My point was more so the Power5 are still a tier or two better than Luki and Yaoyao at C0 because of ICDs and elemental applications. But C0 Kuki and Yaoyao can hold their own. I just wanted to point out the clear difference in power though. I’m not saying you are wrong by any means.

Yeah, early game it was difficult to get artifacts, so people thiught physical was the way to go. And i still believe physical XL is good for beginners

IS PHYSICAL XIANGLING GOOD I MUST KNOW

​@@randomness.stupidnessshort answer: no long answer: nooooooooooooooooooo.

i still remember my old crescent pike xiangling, helping me kill the geo cube for noelle before i fed her weapon to the catch. or bennet, who i had no idea how to use or what his burst did, but kept him in my team anyway and played him as an on-field dps. good times~

Dunno if I agree that Thoma was built for Dendro. Dude ascends with Attack and needs ER, HP, and EM for it. His ER requirements are beyond insane until C4 and even then they're still pretty hefty. His C6 buffs normals, charged, and plunges. I think it may genuinely have been an accident that he's "good" now.

I want to put my trust in mihoyo like you do, but I just can't 💀

@@Falllll He was built to be a sidegrade to Zhongli in Hu Tao team because of pyro resonance + C6 but ironically, I don't see anyone using Thoma with Tao nowadays xD

For example if you ever try to showcase your X character in a Genshin social site group then some people will come and say that "Xingqiu, Xingling, Fischl better" and ruin your mood. The stans won't nake people enjoy their characters properly if they aren’t Xingqiu, Xingling, Fischl. They will always try to make you feel regret pulling for your favourite characters. At least that’s what I understood from my experience.

It doesn't solve anything, the game is configured in a way which it will not allow you to play how it pleases you, because it's balanced around those said units. In the end you will return to play one or another of those units because Hoyo is allergic on making new good non niche 4 stars or actually healthy game mechanics. I can't play Eula (as f2p) AT ALL for the shitty elemental shield, stupid gimmicks and all stuff neglecting physics damage and circumventing her kit. But it rewards you if you pick that op teamcomp everyone knows and builds. How is that even fair? Do you think somebody didn't already thought about what you are saying? It's on the mind of many players like me tired of hearing Bennett there and Bennett that or Dendro comp that otherwise you can't play for the whole 3.0 patches. So no, that's not it. It's hoyo's responsibility to solve those kind of issues, not players' limiting themselves for playing a gacha game.

@@IAmTheTrickster i wish i could see your account. Search for, heizou dps abyss 12, or any other "shitty" character and you will see, you can literally play any character if you spent your resine and resources well. Also i think eula is S tier for sure

Not throwing shade or anything.

lyney exists, it wasnt wriothesley's doing

I tried using Bennett for Wrioteshley. It's trickier for Wrioteshley, since Bennet would keep his healt at 70% most of the time, while Wrioteshley needs to be under 60% to deal crazy damage. I still used Bennett on Eula team and for wanderer. It used to be awesome playing him in Diluc team, but you know nowadays Diluc can only deal 30% damage of SS tier Dps like Ayaka, Hutao or Alhaitam.

​@@hitsurei You can think of it the other way around, just like me ;-) : everything dies too fast in Genshin now, since the newer units deal "too much" damage. So, why not just use my old units (Diluc, Venti, Ningguang,...) with the artifacts of the new ones, and their working supports? (Dps Venti + c6 Faruzan and the new elemental-skill-buff artifact set is 🔥). Less damage means more time to kill an enemy, more time to kill means more playing, and more playing means more fun. No?

@@joyhammer3148 But I like seeing big numbers when I press the skill or burst button

Windy plants fr 😂😂😂

Actually Meghan I can’t sit anywhere. I have ✨ hemorrhoids ✨

I always feel that the 90-100 level could unlock another ability/passive that can hopefully balance characters

100 could genuinely be interesting (a7 passive unlock)

And make a new endgame mode that is harder so we can enjoy our newly upgraded characters, cause honestly, the abyss is the only content where I can actually enjoy fighting with all the characters I've built over the years as any enemies on the other contents just die so quickly. And I'm not even a whale, I'm just a super low spender who only buys monthly.

you get it.

They legally cannot change characters negatively in a gacha game because people paid for them. They can (and will) get sued for that. Also, I’m 1.0 and 1.1, we didn’t know that they would be this strong for this long as there were no characters to compare the strengths and weaknesses to.

@@NrdDy I know I was there too. And yes there's some legal bullshit behind it, however it depends how they justify it. Let's say the recent diluc bug had been in the game from the start. Certainly they would have fixed it as they did now, because it's a bug or an oversight on their part. And even the diehard diluc fan out there who would have dumped all his resources in the standard banner wouldn't be able to do anything about it. It's not exactly the same, but I believe the strategy still applies, at the very least for broken mechanics, like snapshooting. Certainly it took them too long to realize it was broken, as did we

Do you even have yelan?

@@lovemyself217 Yes, C1R1 triple crowned lmao.

@@baguette_connoisseur tf, my C6 qingqui never out perform my C0 yelan, what build you have on him? Maybe i need a better build for him

@@lovemyself217 He doesn't outperform C1R1 Yelan of course. But C6 Xingqiu easily beats C0 Yelan. Longer burst duration, almost 50% damage mitigation, resistance to interruption, shreds Hydro RES and applies much more Hydro. The only thing he lags behind is damage. C6 Xingqiu deals about 70% of damage that C0 Yelan does.