How Big Will The DLC Be? | Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree 

My dear viewer, I have good news for you. There are lot of guides in the channel filled with math. Some of them get pretty in-depth. Do not hesitate to check them out. In any case, thank you for your comment.

I do remember something about them reviewing the way they do density for the DLC, in order to make the field and the lesser dungeons to become more seamless. I honestly think that they did a good job in the base game so, if they are able to improve it, it will be incredible. I look forward to what they show us. Furthermore... I also am prepared for big ass pots. Thank you for your comment.

He mos def said this. He talked specifficaly about the transitions from open world to dungeons being not as defined in order to promote more options for playstyle and the way you can approach things. Even more than the game had already provided.

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@@FrownyGamingif we’re being honest we will probably just be forced off our sparrow, of what every faster travel system is in the game. More often rather than right at the obvious activity gate.

I remember reading something about this. They were attempting to improve the open world in the DLC by making field and dungeons transitions more seamless. I honestly think they already did a good job in the base game so any improvement over the existing system is welcome. Thank you for your comment and kind words.

This means a lot to me. I appreciate your support and company. Thank you.

You got a source for this? If Miyazaki clarified his words regarding DLC size, I would like to read it over as it is very important. Thank you for your comment.

​@@FrownyGamingI think its because Miyazaki said "area of limgrave", so just the size of it. We see in the trailer that it has ALOT of verticality, its not even close to limgrave in these aspect, its so much superior

@@FrownyGaming he said the world be alot more dense compared to the base game and there is fusion between the over world and legacy dungeons.

@@FrownyGaming yes, Miyazaki specifically said that the “surface” area would be a little larger than limgrave. Keyword: Surface

@Zayn_Bass Sure. Semantically speaking, I agree with you. That being said, I do not think that anything said so far should be taken so literally. The reason I say this is because that would mean that Miyazaki is not taking into consideration any underground areas or possible sky islands. Not doing so would mean that there are none of these (which I would find hard to believe) or that, since he does not take them into consideration, the total size of the DLC will be much larger than Limgrave. Focusing too much on the word might lead us astray in its meaning. Typical situation of "so much tree, you missed the forest". In cases like these, in which speculation is rampant, I choose to be optimistic in regards to content. Reality will soon provide truth.

I felt that it was the only to get a clear outlook on the possibilities of size. Since we can't exactly measure the area, it is a good idea to go by the amount of content that we can expect. After all, density is more important that physical size. Thank you for your comment.

This is the smart thing to do. Expectations must be tempered. I like to speculate based on the information available, but it is completely with the understanding that I won't be disappointed if my speculation is not true. It's part of the game. Regardless of how Shadow of the Erdtree releases, I will play it. And then, I will pass judgment. Thank you for your comment.

This is a possibility. Another viewer mentioned that Miyazaki initially said that Elden Ring would take about 30 hours to beat. Fast forward to today and we now know that a first playthrough is AT LEAST 80 hours. Incoming 40 hour expansion. Thank you for your comment.

It took me over 40 hours to finish Limgrave the first time around. I think it's safe to assume 30-40 hours of the best Fromsoft has to offer. Great vid btw, earned a sub! @@FrownyGaming

⁠@@mikeoxlong40340 hours the first time is insane. I can finish limgrave in like 2 hours now 😂

@@mateomorales2129 yeah, everyone *can* But the first time specifically, getting lost in the world and figuring out all the mechanics and paths to take, it will take you tens of hours easily

I mean it wouldn’t be that hard since large areas of the map are empty nothing for a short set peace.

I am also very excited. Thank you for your comment and kind words.

Thank you! I am also looking forward to it. I appreciate your comment and kind words.

That's a good point. Not only can we expect a more difficult experience, we can also expect a more advanced and powerful selection of equipment. Thank you for your comment.

Something similar happens with Ashes of War. If I remember correctly, there are about 90 Ashes of War in the game, and 31 of them are in the Limgrave sector. That's 1/3 of them. It is clear that Elden RIng frontloads the initial equipment drops in order to give players as many early-game options as possible. This is part of why the area of Limgrave feels so good. Thank you for your comment.

Hahahahaha this made me laugh. Calculated Hopium if a fantastic concept and I will be adopting it in the future. Got my canister right by my side. Thank you for your comment.

Oh yeah! Hahahaha I remember this. Good point. Incoming 50 hour DLC. Thank you for your comment.

I am glad that you did, because it is important to understand it. Thank you for your comment.

This is a good idea. When all is said and done, I can come back and see if my thought process had any merit. Thank you for your comment

@@FrownyGaming You’re welcome, thank you for the video!

Miyazaki is known to underestimate the size of the games. I also expect it to be huge. Thank you for your comment.

You are right, Miyazaki already showed us how much he underestimated Elden Ring's play time. So far, we only know what he said about it being near the size of Limgrave. Admittedly, that is a large space, but we don't really have much more to go on. Thank you for your comment.

That veil is beautiful and I am sure that it will have serious implications. Probably my favorite part of the Land of Shadow right now. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming Mine to, however I am most excited for some answers to the lore. June is going to be be a fun month!

That sounds like a good time. The game definitely merits it. Thank you for your comment.

I assume that there will be multiple legacy dungeons in the Land of Shadow. Limgrave has Stormveil castle, and I guess Morne Castle is like a legacy dungeon too. I can imagine a similar system in Shodow of the Erdtree. One important legacy dungeon like Stormveil, and then a few lesser ones like Morne. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming Oh my bad, I thought only places with Remembrance bosses are considered Legacy dungeons, Stormveil, Raya Lucaria, Leyndell, Volcano Manor, Farum Azula and Elphael, but apparently there isn't a consensus on whether or not stuff like Castle Morne or Caria Manor count as well

Don't get me wrong. I honestly do not know if Castle Morne can be considered a legacy dungeon. But it is certainly larger than most of the other regular dungeons that we find. It's like in an in-between spot that makes it weird. Generally speaking, what you said goes. I was just thinking that maybe there could be other legacy options, even if they are a bit smaller.

As I mentioned in the video, Limgrave has over 250 pieces of equipment that players can use. Most of these are weapons (about 80) and armor (about 80). There are also 31 Ashes of War and 26 Talismans. All of this is supported by a total of 40 bosses. I feel that this is a good amount of content and that, if the DLC gives us another 80 weapons and another 20 sets of armor, alongside more ashes, spirits, and talismans, it will provide us a lot of content. If Limgrave can fit these already, why would the Land of Shadow not have it? Thank you for your comment.

You are not the first viewer to propose this and I really like the idea. I took a note and, when the DLC comes out, I will eventually come back to see just how right or wrong I was. Thank you for your comment.

I am glad that you enjoyed the video. Thank you for your comment and kind words.

Well, it was already confirmed that the DLC area is completely separate form the Lands Between. It is called the Land of Shadow and it has to be accessed through Miquella's cocoon. After accessing the Land of Shadow, we can travel back and forth between it and the Lands Between through normal Site of Grace fast travel. So we understand that it will be a completely separate location. Judging from this, its size and density can be anything that FromSoft wants. This video is just an estimation based on the current content offered by Limgrave. Thank you for your comment.

Another 30 tracks is actually amazing. I love the base game soundtrack so I look forward to more like it. Thank you for your comment.

Other viewers pointed out to me the size of the DLC and I just can't believe it. 60GB for an expansion sounds nuts. That's heavier than the base game. In any case, I will never say "no" to more content. Bring it. Thank you for your comment.

This is a good idea. I should come back to this video after the expansion is released to see if my thought process had any merit. Thank you for your comment.

This is harder to determine. When we have Limgrave to work from, we can make some educated determinations. That being said, if we are talking about total map size based on the existing map of the Lands Between, we need a bit more details to go with. I don't think that the Land of Shadow will be as large as the Lands Between. As awesome as that sounds, I don't think it feasible. Thank you for your comment.

While you bring up a good point, I have to say that it might be a mistake to use size as a measure of value in regards to the price. I think that, in order to gauge the value of the $40 price tag, we need to wait to see the amount of content that we get. I believe that, in this case, density is more important than size. Once the game releases and we get to see the amount of sheer content, I will be judging to see how heavy the $40 are. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming Sure, I was thinking in terms of density as well. I was just saying that given the price point, the map is likely to be more rich in content than Limgrave. The expansion has been in the works for over two years, after all. I'm expecting it'll be quite a feast😁.

I am so happy that you enjoyed the build. Holy Hands Hank was so fun to make, so it is good to see he is getting some playtime. Thank you for your comment.

That's a really good idea. Taking time off to enjoy the game is the play. Thank you for your comment and kind words.

That sounds about right. I estimate the whole area discussed is about 25 hours of content. This should be a good starting point as to a content expectation. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming I just completed all of Stormveil including Godrick, and a small leftover from Limgrave. I'm at 14.5 hours. Mind you, I've already done a lot of playthroughs of this game, so I know where everything is and rarely die to anything. That speeds things up. Plus, this is still without the Sofria River area, as I like to keep that for later, and of course without the whole underground area unlocked after defeating Radahn. So 25 hours does seem quite right. Certainly not too high an estimation.

Agreed. I am sitting at about 25 hours of content, but with some reservations that it might pull another surprise attack and the map just keeps getting bigger. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming your video was well done man, loved it

Miyazaki specifically mentioned that they were working on making area transitions more seamless, specially between the field and the dungeons/legacies. This should help avoid it feeling force. And, if it is forced, I am sure that there will be a coffin that we can jump into. That never fails. Thank you for your comment.

First and foremost, welcome! Also, I appreciate your comment and kind words. I want this channel to be a place of knowledge where viewers can discuss the intricacies of the game with complete understanding. The first to do that is that I, as the creator, need to keep things real. If I explain something, I need to provide evidence; and I always need to be ready to answer questions. I really hope that you find the rest of the content to your liking. I appreciate your comment and support.

Thank you. I appreciate your comment and kind words.

Thank you! I appreciate your comment.

This is a good point. Maybe it would be better to have a lesser amount of bosses, but of higher quality. As for the sky map? Very good idea. I hope it goes through. Something similar to Farum Azula. Thank you for your comment.

I think most would be. Thank you for your comment.

180 hours is incredible. Mine was 105 hours and I already think that this is amazing. I am glad that you enjoyed the game and that it brought you to play the other Souls. It is always a good day when there is a new player in the community. Thank you for your comment.

I will admit, my knowledge of applied geometry is very basic; but I really had no other idea on how to tackle a size estimate otherwise. We have no measuring information from within the game, which is understandable as it is mostly irrelevant. It's nice to see that someone picked up on it. Thank you for your comment.

Another viewer reminded me of when Miyazaki mentioned that it would take about 30 hours to beat the base Elden Ring. My first playthrough was 105 hours long. It is completely possible that this mad man said "as large as Limgrave" but, on June 21st, we get half of the game again. Thank you for your comment.

He also said that development only started on the DLC after work on patches died down. That might mean it didn't truly start until after the colosseum update, which was released in December 2022. It's possibly the DLC has only been worked on for a little over a year at this point.

@@denniscarr9234 I would agree but no, there are people who have worked on it for over 2 years (based on LinkedIn profiles and portfolios). What he meant was maybe a full time development. We will see.

@@FrownyGaming Good point, I hit roughly 70 hour mark around getting to Atlus Plateau :D (I had no clue how big the game was so I squeezed the content out as much as I could). Also, it wouldnt be the first time he "lied" about something regarding his games, he also mentioned he wants to keep players from getting their fun spoiled, and I believe him. Remember Sekiro. It seemed to be a just a ninja game but oh boy, how quickly that escalated into a wicked magic shit. Hes a keeper! I am even sure my high expectations will be surpassed, because FROM always delivers, even with their smaller games. I wouldnt be surprised if its a size of Bloodborne (that game kinda small, but packed), because I doubt we will see another instalment of ER for a very long time.

Off the top of my head, I believe there are about 100 Talismans and 90 Ashes of War in total. It's interesting because Limgrave already has 30% of the total Ashes of War. I guess they frontloaded it to give the player more options in the beginning. The game is huge and there are always new things to discover. Thank you for your comment.

Thank you. I appreciate your comment.

I hope you are right. A denser Limgrave would prove to be a fantastic experience. Thank you for your comment.

Agreed. At this time, all expectations are pointing to a really good game based on past experiences. I look forward to this release. Thank you for your comment.

we all do

Yeah, pretty much. I want as much as they are willing to give. Thank you for your comment.

Regarding the Weeping Peninsula, I make this very clear in the video by giving a complete breakdown of all the areas that belong to the Limgrave territory. As for Miyazaki underestimating the size of his own games... I am ready for Elden Ring 2. Thank you for your comment.

Oh yeah, absolutely. I want as much as they can give us. Thank you for your comment.

Well... the DLC will scale to NG+7 values. So, yeah, it sounds like it will be hard. Specially taking into consideration that we have no idea how to fight these bosses. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming so is there no reason to play up until ng 7, im not yet but im close and I dont want to stop playing

It's really up to you. You could just start a new character and prepare it for the DLC.

As fun as it is to speculate, it can't be taken too seriously. It can lead to disappointment and I wanted to make sure that things were left crystal clear. Thank you for your comment.

This is a healthy way to go about. There is no way that you will be disappointed if these are your expectations. You are looking at the minimum amount of content that could be in the DLC; which isn't bad, but I definitely believe that there will be more. Limgrave is huge, after all. Thank you for your comment.

I agree with this. I have a lot of expectation stemming from the price tag and development time. That said, I don't think anyone expected the sheer amount of value that Elden Ring brought to the table. I do not think that we should hold this to standard expectation parameters. Thank you for your comment.

This is interesting. I thought that the world was appropriately populated. It was packed like a dungeon, but there was enough going on to keep me entertained. There are many locations, we have the night-time events, and structures to explore all over. That being said, there have been mentions that they were going to try and tighten the world up by making transitions between the field and dungeons more seamless. Hopefully you find it better. Thank you for your comment.

You bring up a good point. I have no idea, but you got me curious. I am going to have to look this up. Thank you for your comment.

There is a possibility that Miyazaki underestimated the size of his game... again. Elden Ring was supposed to be 30 hours to beat and here we are with 100 hour playthroughs. Thank you for your comment.

Could be. It already happened with the base game and, ironically, it would not surprise me if it happens again. Thank you for your comment.

I honestly have no idea how I would go about this. Probably some kind of software that could help but, honestly, I believe that this is beyond my technical capabilities. Thank you for your comment.

I will add one candle breathing enemy ash + two obvious candletree soldiers and candletree knight blahblah ashes in my bingo. Maybe some gladiator or arena lion ashes too?

All of this is good. Yeah, all of this is acceptable. Thank you for your comment.

Thank you! This means a lot to me and definitely provides motivation to continue making content. I appreciate your kind words.

Interesting. I did read that they intended to improve the transitions between the field and the dungeons by making them more seamless. Hopefully that translates to a higher density too. Thank you for your comment.

It's ridiculous. Judging by the size, we are talking about Elden Ring 2. I think it's crazy. Thank you for your comment.

As to the price of the DLC, I can't really say much. It is what it is. Now, as to trying to justify that price tag? The biggest variable is density. You are talking about a bigger map but, as I mentioned in the video, Limgrave has over 250 pieces of equipment that we can play with. Out of these 250, around 80 are weapons with another 80 being armor. Limgrave has 40 bosses in it. If FromSoft is able to pack the Land of Shadow with as much, or more, stuff than Limgrave, the $40 price might be merited. Of course, we will have to see. Thank you for your comment.

Agreed. But it is better to hold your expectations close to reason, and be surprised, than letting them fly and fall into disappointment. Thank you for your comment.

You are right. Everything you said is right. But I cannot understand where these 60GB come from. It's like we are being served Elden Ring 2. Don't gent me wrong, I am all for it, but it would be historic. Specially taking into consideration the current environment in the video game industry. Thank you for your comment.

This is an interesting opinion. I honestly believe that I did a good job covering the topic at hand while providing probable cause for the things that I am saying. What would you say can be done better? Which parts of the video do you believe can be made more succinct? I look forward to your response. Thank you for your comment.

That said, the part about analyzing density was good!

Dont listen to thus dude. The video was great. And you provided good info. People are never satisfied anyways, so dont sweat it.

There were mentions of about 8-10 main story bosses for the DLC. I haven't seen any official confirmation of the sort, so I cannot say. I feel that 10 main bosses and some lesser dungeon fights sprinkled about would be fine. Thank you for your comment.

I try my best to show my viewers the thought process of every claim I make. If there is evidence, I show it. If there is a formula, I calculate it. If I'm making an estimation, I show the full procedure. Nothing I say is because "trust me, bro". Everything will be provided to the viewer so they can be as informed as possible. Sometimes, that requires some extra time; but I am happy to oblige. In this channel, I value knowledge and intelligent conversation. For this reason, I put all the tool I use at the disposition of the viewer. Thank you for your comment.

I am so ready for Godskin Quarteto in Elden Ring 2. Thank you for your comment.

I still can't believe this. 60GB is huge. Now, I do not have enough understanding of video game sizes and their optimization, but I feel like this size can't be right. Specially taking into consideration the $40 price tag. Getting Elden Ring 2 for that price seems odd. In any case, the more content the better. I just found it weird. Thank you for your comment.

​@@FrownyGaming It is very hard to believe! On my PC the base game actually only takes upp 48,11Gb. So let's imagine the DLC is a third of that, 16Gb - which would probably still be huge (probably much larger than Limgrave at least), in my mind. Then the pricing doesn't seem as odd in my humble opinion. Anyway, no way to know before we actually touch Miquella's withered arm.

I would be happy with that too. Honestly, Shadow of the Erdtree has to literally come to my home and kick me in the balls for me to be angry at it. I can't wait for June. Thank you for your comment.

Yes. There was mention of them trying to make transitions between the field and the dungeons (primarily legacy dungeons) more seamless. This would speak to a more denser experience. Thank you for your comment.

To clarify, do you mean the new leveling system that applies only to the DLC area of the game? Thank you for your comment.

@FrownyGaming Yes would like to hear your thoughts and maybe a deep dive into the serrikro mechanics

For sure. That is the next video on deck. I'm starting with the Sekiro research.

I agree. I do not think it will be a disappointment. In fact, while this might be a bit overzealous, I truly believe that Shadow of the Erdtree has numbers to be included in the GOTY conversation at the end of the year. We will see, but I have high expectations. Thank you for your comment.

Well, that's something that we can't know. Politically speaking, within the game, it is part of the territory. That being said, there is no sure way to know what was going on in Miyazaki's head when he made this statement. Such is the game of speculation... we have to make some assumptions and make some connections. Thank you for your comment.

And I mean I had 1k hours already, I knew where stuff was, how to beat the bosses. Going in blind I could imagine it being twice as long.

This sounds about right. My first playthrough was 105 hours and I missed some things. If I were to run a 100% character, it would probably take me about 90, like you. I think that this is a good estimate. Than you for your comment.

This is a good point. That being said, FromSoft putting late-game enemies in their early-game as bosses is common. And don't tell me that you are not looking forward to Godskin Quarteto. But jokes aside, variety is going to be an important factor in the quality of the DLC. Thank you for your comment.

15 unique bosses would, no joke, be more than Old Hunters, Ashes of Ariandal, Ringed City, and Artorias of the Abyss bosses combined. That is unfair expectations😭

That’s already Elden Ring itself. The only ‘unique’ bosses in the whole game are: Rennala, Radahn, Rykard, Morgott, Fire Giant, Hoarah Loux, Maliketh, Placidusax, Fortissax, Malenia, Radagon and Elden Beast.

I agree with you. Thank you for your comment and kind words. I appreciate it.

I imagine this thing having 40 hours of content and my head explodes. I sincerely hope that you are right. Thank you for your comment.

Hopefully we get to see those two dudes braving the sea on that tiny canoe. They would be a top tier boss! Thank you for your comment.

Correct. Judging by the price tag, and the possibility of content, it is going to be much more than a DLC. Thank you for your comment.

God damn! I have no idea about software size and optimization, but it would be a bit ridiculous that the DLC is 25% heavier than the main game. That makes no sense to me. Thank you for your comment.

Vine... Now that's a name I have not heard in years. My dear viewer, the internet has done a number on all of us. Thank you for you comment.

100% agreed. I believe that Limgrave is very dense and there is a lot to do in it. If the Land of Shadows is as dense as Limgrave is, I believe that it will do good. Thank you for your comment.

Interesting point. Something similar happens in Stormveil Castle. A lot of verticality that increases the value of the spaces provided. I hope that they keep this quality of level design. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming Yes absolutely, good point about Stormveil falling into that category as well

More like under an hour as it’s a liner map. Unless soft player can’t follow a line…. Can they follow a line?

I understand your point, but you should not equate size to value. When gauging the value of the game, we should look at density. The amount of content it provides. If I can get 30 hours of gameplay for those $40, I would be happy. Sure, it’s 1/6th the size, but it could be packed with content. Thank you for your comment.

Based on new leaks it's around half of the base game's size. One source said there will be over 30 new songs. Another one said it's roughly the size of Liurnia+Caelid+Mountaintops combined.

@@valentinvas6454 that would be based on

I am afraid I don’t understand what you mean. What does HP stacking have to do with a possible new mechanic in Shadow of the Erdtree?

I mean unless you stacked 80 points into vigor , it looks like you’re around 200 + RL If I’m mistaken, allow me to clarify. Way to many players are over leveling, ironically calling their level 250+ character a “build”. Because of this phenomenon ushered in by the massive new player base, FSW had to create the new level up system to offset that. It’s like children eating too much cake and FSW acting as the parents, have to step in and fix the situation before everyone makes themselves sick. People use the open world to optimize the living shit out of the game as become so OP that they are able to steamroll the entire game. So yes, FSW identified this issue and was forced to fix it so the dlc would not be trivialized for so many new players. I just can’t help but laugh when people say “let us play how we want” ignorant to the fact that there is an intended experience, and all I’m trying to do is guide people as close to that experience as possible. Human beings are programmed to optimize the challenges and cheat themselves for what they perceive to be an easier more enjoyable time. Unfortunately they don’t realize they’re robbing themselves of what the game really offers. Which is why FSW had to step in and fix it for them.

@@stevemichael652 A lot to unpack in this response. I’m going to do my best. FIRST - My HP in this build I am running 60 Vigor (second Soft-Cap) alongside the Crimson Amber Medallion +2 and the Erdtree Favor +2. It totals to about 2100 HP. Best part is, this isn’t even my final form. The footage is of co-op. I can’t use a Demigod Rune. In single player, adding Morgott’s Rune, I can reach 2600 HP. My dear viewer, when I play Elden Ring, I’m going in with a clean bill of health. All my builds are uploaded to this channel. RL 150 on all of them. Feel free to check them out. SECOND - The intended experience I believe you are terribly misguided. The only intended experience that FromSoft develops is FUN. Is it fun? If the answer is yes, the game is doing good. I like stacking HP. Some like to glass cannon. And others like to overlevel. You want to know which is the intended experience? ALL of them. There is no right way to play Elden Ring. Hell… there is no right way to play any Souls game. How do you think challenge runs were created over ten years ago? All experiences are valid. All ways of playing are good. Except cheating. Fuck cheaters. THIRD - New DLC Leveling Mechanic Do you truly believe that the issue you described is an Elden Ring problem? This has been happening since Artorias in Dark Souls’ DLC. Souls DLC’s have been difficult to balance since Day 1. It’s not a new problem. This new mechanic would have been a thing sooner or later. No “new player base” appeared and brought cataclysm. If anything, From finally decided to do something about it. Again, you speak as if overleveled characters haven’t existed since Boletaria. FOURTH - You are no shepherd You don’t get to “guide” players on how to play the game. I don’t get to tell them how to play, either. Hell… no one does that. Players will play however they wish. There are no shepherds here, and the Souls community isn’t sheep. You want to do a service to the community? Teach them of the game. Its mechanics. Its Lore. Its history. And let each player take that knowledge and walk their own path. Just as you did. Each player will blaze their trail, and they are all equally valid. FINAL NOTE - Do not gatekeep In this channel, we strive to open up the minds of players with knowledge. We want as many different points of views as possible in order to prosper through intelligent conversation. We do not indoctrinate on any “intended experience”. As Miriel says: “Let us learn together. All things can be conjoined”.

Then why would FSW implement a new mechanism in the dlc that offsets over leveled characters? Why isn’t coop seamless? You’re right. Over leveling for dlc has been a problem since ds1. The reason they’re fixing it now is because ER went nuclear in the mainstream and there’s more of that problem in massive abundance. There is an intended experience. One example of that is coop. The intended experience for coop is to be limited. You’re too use it responsibly. The game does not want nor intend players to tank every boss and every piece of content in between with OP friends while they hide in the corner. This is not what FSW wants from it’s coop mechanic. How do I know this? Because they have parameters that keep coop from being abused. But not only that, Miyazaki himself said so when asked about what inspired the coop in his games. I’ll grant you, coop has gotten more streamlined since the days of DS1 , but the philosophy is still in tact. The intended experience also doesn’t involve rune duplication. Which is how most players manage to max their level. So yea, FSW had no choice but to step in and undo the mistakes these players committed. If the intended experience involved seamless coop and infinity runes, then coop wouldn’t be limited and you’d be able to level up at a more affordable rune cost. The devs designed the game. Exploiting it or abusing the mechanics set in place to optimize the challenges the game poses is a shit way to play a souls game. It goes directly against the purpose. The purpose is to overcome challenge. Stated my Miyazaki himself. Anyone who optimizes that challenge out of their experience whether it be thru abusing coop or over powering via rune duping, is NOT getting that intended experience. It’s that simple. Also, these people don’t actually know what they want. If Demons Souls had an easy mode, I would’ve taken it had I been given that chance , to beat flamelurker. He was the first boss I ever brick walled in video games. I would’ve done anything to beat him, even cheat or use easy mode had I been able to. I’m so thankful I didn’t cheat or use easy mode because it would have robbed me of the pure euphoria I felt when I finally landed that death blow. I didn’t know how rewarding it was, how amazing I felt overcoming that challenge, until I experienced it. It’s so easy to optimize the challenges BEFORE you have that “come to” moment. The game wants as many people to share in that moment. And abusing coop or over powering yourself to squash bosses is not going to bring you to that moment, it’s going to be a generic shallow experience. I remember where I was, who was in the room, what I had for dinner, the night I beat Flamelurker all those years ago. I don’t remember jack shit from the hundreds of times I cooped with friends in ds3 or BB. Because it wasn’t special. FSW wants people to experience the former, not the later ? How do I know ? Because Miyazaki said so.

I agree with you. I rather have a smaller DLC that is better, than a larger DLC that is worse. Quality over Quantity for sure. I just wanted to go over Miyazaki's words and what they could entail. Thank you for your comment.

Hold on... My dear viewer, did you watch the video? I specifically mention on two occasions that Weeping Peninsula, Siofra River and Nokron, the eternal city, are all part of Limgrave. Furthermore, when I speak about the density of the territory, I show images of these areas and include their loot into the content conversation. I don't understand your comment at all.

@@FrownyGaming I'm sick so I could've missed that part gotten new flu variant supposedly

Where does this information come from? If verified, it could be useful for a lot of research. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming Google the question,” How many miles square is Elden Ring?” My first reply disappeared. The magic of RU-vid!

First of all, RU-vid does that sometimes and it is upsetting. It makes it seem that I am removing comments and that is far from the truth. I apologize for that. As for the topic at hand... Yes. My dear viewer, I, also, know how to use the internet. My question was more geared towards: is there a reliable source of information? Ignoring the Reddit post created by a user under the influence of drugs, research has led me to this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UOq1wm1GEWk.html This creator establishes the size at 79 square kilometers (~49 square miles), and goes on to specify that the playable area of the Lands Between is 40 square kilometers (~25 square miles). This creator used a free software (imageJ) to get this measurement. The software works by creating a scale using the player model and surrounding builds. Afterwards, it measures the determined area. The process is concise and can be replicated. I think that it can be useful for future research.

I agree that the comparison might be a bit silly, but I took it more in the sense of the amount of content that it will offer and the in-game size of its locations. We can't make a one to one comparison, but there are things that we can work with. Thank you for your comment.

A lot of these desires are very possible. A few of them, like 2 more legacy dungeons and 2 new schools of magic, I feel like are very probable to appear. Overall, I think your vision is going to be mostly present. Thank you for your comment.

Thank you for your great videos. That would be my dream/vision for the dlc. Developers themselves know better of course so i will see their take on this and enjoy it for what it is. From always bring their A game to expansions and i feel this one can be their best.

Really? I am interested in reading your point of view. Why did this video remove hype from you? Thank you for your comment.

Ah, it's not that bad. Nothing like the Great Hollowing and Glaive Master Hodir. That was true pain. Thank you for your comment.

Not to be misunderstood, i think this was a very good video and you explained yourself and expectations very well. I just thought it was funny anyways, good luck

Absolutely. I don't think there is any bad faith in your comment.

It's of considerable size. Larger than the space in any other DLC we got for a Souls game. Limgrave, East Limgrave, Weeping Peninsula, Stormveil Castle, Siofra River and Nokron. How many hours did you spend doing this content? Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming Are you trying to suggest that the DLC is bigger than Limgrave, East Limgrave, Weeping Peninsula, Stormveil Castle, Siofra River and Nokron? Because it's not even close, and those weren't DLC. They said it's as big or smaller than Limgrave, and Limgrave is not really that big.

@@atlantic_loveQuick question. Did you watch the video? I go over all of this in its content. In Elden Ring, the territory of Limgrave is made up of the following areas: Limgrave, East Limgrave, Weeping Peninsula, Stormveil Castle, Siofra River and Nokron. All of this is Limgrave, and it is established during the Kenneth Height questline. And then, Miyazaki interviews were clear in saying that the DLC will be at least as large as all of Limgrave. Possibly larger. While there is no official confirmation, it is probable and the speculation is founded.

No kidding! Is this how you pronounce it? Do you know that the etymology of the word is? Personally, due to my Hispanic heritage, I pronounce things as I read them. "see-oh-fra" just seems natural. In any case, thank you for your comment.

While I agree that the price range leads to believe an estimated 50% of the base game as additional content, I think that this is very aggressive speculation. Judging by Mizayaki's words, Limgrave is not half of the game. That being said, this is a man who said that the base game would take about 30 hours to complete... so it wouldn't be the first time that he underestimates the scope of his own game. Thank you for your comment.

@@FrownyGaming I’m talking content, not map size. They’re different things to me. Aggressive or not, it’s only right to charge the correct amount. Adjusting for inflation, we are paying for ER 1.5, not DLC. I’ve never found this company to be underhanded. This is why, as aggressive as the prediction is, I believe it 100%. Finance is the best predictor metric we’ve got. Save this post and come crush me if I’m wrong, that’ll be my gamble. I’ll look like an idiot and take the shit. But I’m certain I’m on the money…pun intended. Though “content” is nebulous, how to quantify? Hours of play is an option, but I think it’ll be clear that we get at least a 1.5.

Yeah, this is a good argument. The price tag is the only official information that we have in regards to the possible content. Elden Ring 1.5 could be between 40 to 50 hours of content if we judge by the actual base game that we have. My concern with that is that Limgrave does not have that amount of content to use as a comparison, but Miyazaki was very clear with his comment. Then again, this man also said that Elden Ring was going to take about 30 hours to beat... For the record, I hope that you are right. The more content the better.