How Black Adam Was The Death Blow For The DCEU 

That's wrong, immediate movie that comes to mind is central intelligence.

Yea exactly, if I know your contracts state that you can lose a fight or look like it, I have no emotional stake in the character

@@ForeverknightGaming Central intelligence was so surface level tho and only at the beginning... he's basically perfect from that point on and has a answer for everything until the bully appears and then it's cleaned up so easily. I mean it's not a bad movie and admittedly he has more 1 more flaw then usual (0) but a comedy outlier doesn't exactly make a gotcha.

@@ForeverknightGaming yeah dude, he’s fat and ugly for 10 minutes and the perfect and buff for the rest, totally flawed character

@@ForeverknightGaming exactly. But that's the one exception I think

Literally. With most good actors, you look at them and see the character. With the Rock, I see him in a film and go "Oh look, it's the Rock."

That's EXACTLY what I said. He's like Mark Wahlberg or Ryan Renolds

What about Jumanji?

@@lelegus7732 It's a good film, but there's about three or four other jungle adventure movies where the Rock plays basically the same character.

@@RIS3N1 I hate how true it is for ryan reynolds, but at least deadpool wasn't a complete bust

your comment is childish do you think its The rock or its the director who came up with that...

@@clivemancity6499 Ha. My comment is observant. And the answer's the Rock. Cos he's had it in his contract since the Fast & Furious days that he isn't to be shown losing a fight or being drastically overpowered by someone. Imagine actually thinking that the hired-hand director of Black Adam has more power and influence on set than Dwayne Johnson.

@@clivemancity6499 Name one movie where Dwayne Johnson loses a fight

@@RHYSCO51 haaa Doom

@@clivemancity6499 That was when he was still trying to be a big movie star, before he had the power he now has. Post-Fast Five, he doesn't want to be seen being anybody's bitch.

That's almost as if you put dr strange in mcu and not letting him use his eye of agamoto/time stone😂 (that's the only equivalent i think currently think of; i like both mcu and dc equally)

Doctor Fate, like Doctor Strange, is only ever as powerful as the plot demands.

Everyone was nerfed for the Rock ego.

@Dexter'sstepsister That didn't matter, he was still at the mercy of Star-Lord's plan and Mantis enthralling him to remain still.

@Dexter'sstepsister I was responding to your comment regarding why the Avengers/Guardians Of The Galaxy team up on Titan against Thanos, debatably, could've went well regardless of how many Infinity Stones Thanos had in his possession. I had no need to troll (as it does not benefit me), no need to get all pissy about it.

The video also gets wrong exactly how important Black Adam is to the Shazam comics. He wasn't important at all. In the original run of the comics he had just the one, singular appearance and only got popular like half a century later when DC relaunched him as more of a solo character and anti-hero instead of a Shazam villain. And the villain of the Shazam movie, sivana, really is the arch-nemesis and opposite of the hero. Sivana is Lex Luthor to Shazam's Superman. Except of course Sivana predates Luthor.

@@Carabas72 Agreed. Making a standalone Black Adam could have been a great way to introduce the sort of palpable moral ambiguity that DCEU was lacking up until that point. DC is full of interesting anti-heros. But til now the only exploration of that has been in the tv shows with actual villains (BvS tried but was executed terribly).

@@Carabas72 except, nobody outside comic book readers know Dr. Sivana. They never cared for him, never rooted for him, and he was a pretty mediocre villain to begin with. Even before the Shazam film came out, Black Adam was considered THE villain for the character. And thats all that matters. Reverse Flash wasn't introduced for atleast 4 decades since the first Flash, but ask anyone who is the archnemesis of Flash and you will have your answer. Hell, Doomsday was created half a century after Superman and is yet his 3rd biggest villain behind Luthor and Darkseid.

@@scientia.veritas this!

Batman has a huge rogues gallery though compared to shazam plus Batman is iconic and well known. The video should have specified on level of notoriety but when talking about Shazam and black Adam, it was spot on

And no one wants him there other than for marketing

@@VeritabIlIti he can't even act well

the number one major issue. And it kills me, cause if he'd had just played a villian to Shazam, he could have gone the Loki route. Good when you need to be or forced to be.

@@birukmulugeta5817 literally. Which is hilarious when they cast him alongside Pierce Brosnan, who can.

I wanted him fighting Shazam but he wanted to fight Superman which was too much of a hassle to bring Cavill back only to be axed the next second. I like The Rock but he shouldn’t make all these big decisions

All those slo-mo scenes made me realize Zack Snyder should’ve directed this movie instead of Man of Steel.

@@JamesLawner agreed

Well it's been in pre-production for eons

@@JamesLawner pls dont let hack snyder go near dc

Zack Snyder would've definitely knock it outta the park, had he made this. this character was simply tailor made for his style (not Superman). heck if, snyder had directed this movie with the exact same cast, I'm sure he could've even bring out a decent performance from Rock,

I can't comprehend how it's so hard honestly...

I hear you but its easier to pull off an Animated Universe than a Live Action one. A lot easier. Now the fact that the Arrowverse pulled it off better and gave us a better Justice League than the movie, and with a CW budget? Now THAT still blows my mind.

Warner Bros executives: "We want to have the success of Marvel Studios without the time, effort and planning. We have to get our own 'Iron Man' to an 'The Avengers' level team up in 3 movies or less. Right now!" (Proceeds to do cocaine off a hookers back)

@@sneakykamon I don’t see why the script for a movie needs to be more difficult than one for a cartoon, because you could have filmed those scripts and gotten a far better reception than what the movies have turned out. Of course, they were written by people who know and live the characters.

@@jonbodhi It’s not about the scripts, it’s about the budget for the productions. Think about any animated superhero movie you saw and all the fantastical things they’re able to pull off then compare that to any live action superhero movie. The people complaining about not seeing their favorite superheroes getting an epic movie tend to be the same people criticizing the MCU over CGI. Like I said - it’s a lot easier to pull off an intricate and amazing cinematic universe in animation than it will ever be in live action. It just is. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be making the comparison.

"let's have him say he's not a hero like 20 times"

Black Adam was atleast written by an elementary schooler. Love and thunder felt like it was written by a toddler. 'hero chase villian. Villian take children . Hero give power to children. Children become hero . Aaaahhhhhh .. villian die. Movie end'

@@Mr.SledgeHammer 😭😂

@@Mr.SledgeHammer I swear the ending of Love and Thunder just reminds me so much of the old Disney movie where the children defeated the principal robot guy by saying I have a dream

Tell them the man in black sent you.

So he wrote the movie? Because it was bad.

Nice lie you told there. Gunn was hired AFTER BLK Adam was made. How the hell do you think Henry was back as Superman if Gunn was in charge then? Grow up.

​@KoolKeithProductions a joke ≠ a lie

​@@KoolKeithProductionsin

Yeah definitely the best part

I was so sad that he and Hawkman get all of one, maybe .75 of a scene to be buddies in; they were by far the most interesting part of the film, especially Fate.

I liked the team and their interactions more than the rest of the movie :') at least it seemed like there was potential there

Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate is somthing i didnt know i needed. Rip to that idea

It's too bad he took his helmet off the moment he appears on screen. That costume was awesome.

"HA!" - Edna Krabappel.

@@mcurran6505 "HAW HAW!" Nelson Muntz

Actually he wanted to be both Kevin Feige and Robert Downey Jr. of DC. Be incharge behind the scenes and in front as well.

“Mmmmh” - Marge Simpson

@@thewayofthebeard3680 "hey, hey" - Krusty the Clown

It’s not confirmed. Quit believing rumors till there’s confirmation. They only confirmed certain actors being done in their roles because they have no upcoming projects starring them. Actors like Momoa, Levi, & Miller aren’t confirmed to be recasted yet because they still have movies coming out and don’t want any chance at hurting the box office.

Probably because all of Hollywood are pedophiles

Not confirmed yet

What is truelly insane is that people actually believe they already made that decision months before they'll even know if The Flash will make money or not.

after the flash movie, ezra will be gone. they just kinda rely on the flash movie because it will reset the dceu

Yeah it definitely gives the film a more unique feel, that's why I was especially disappointed in multiverse of madness

Meh. Blackburn was better than any of them.

@@Rozza2k I actually liked the movie. It isn’t as good as the Spider-Man movies but it isn’t his worse movie either. My only disappointment was that Baron Mordo wasn’t the main villain. I am fine that Scarlett Witch was the villain.

@@Rozza2k the conclusion of wandavision says it all. they've wasted mephisto.

@@ALLmasked at this point they spared him lol, but hopefully guardians 3 and ant man 3 are a call back to old mcu films instead of the recent marvel drivel

yeah they definitely missed the mark with that criticism. there are plenty of villains, you don't need to use the quinessential villain every time.

That’s what X-Men First Class was meant to be initially

IIRC it was supposed to happen right after X-Men Origins: Wolverine. But then X-Men Origins: Wolverine happened…🤷🏾‍♂️

But you got to know him in X-Men first

thats a point i rarely see mentioned. its hard to make Black Adam stand out as the hero who kills when all the other Snyderverse guys seem to have no problem killing people.

Literally every Avenger except Spider-Man has killed people. And innocent people too. Black Adam killed corrupt soldiers? Big deal. Bucky, Wanda and Natasha killed a shit ton of innocents.

@@knightmare_edits First of all, the examples you listed were Marvel, not DC. Second, the movie wanted you to think that Black Adam killing people was a big deal, but it fell flat because the DCEU didn't establish heroes with a no kill code before this.

@@jaimebyrd3578 lol You're technically right that his examples were all Marvel, but it kinda ends up supporting the thesis. Everyone in this comment thread has already been harping on about Supes, Bats, and Wonder Woman being killers in the DCEU, but the fact is that the _entire Superhero Genre_ right now is mostly comprised of heroes who are willing to kill, with very few exceptions. Right now the _default_ for a Hero is "more or less cool with lethal vigilantism."

@@seantheimp Yeah. That other guy completely missed my point. The fact is, superheroes tend to have blood on their hands, and most often, it's no big deal. Just consider Deadpool, Wolverine, etc. What really makes Black Adam morally ambiguous? If anything, even Strange is more corrupt since he literally ended universes just for a girl.

I miss him playing a nuanced softie who is flawed and needs his morals reevaluated, at least then he was forced to play something other than himself

He was really good in Hercules 2014. That was the first I was impressed with his acting.

​@@fruitmilk2863like in the game plan

He still the same character he "played" as a WWF wrestler...

Transformers?

Him being a wrestler is irrelevant otherwise I agree

@@SirQuantization My point was he’s not a screenwriter. Writing scripts and breaking down a decent story is much more complex than simply writing a promo and spouting catchphrases at someone standing across from you. Yes, The Rock produced Black Adam but clearly it was to have more creative control over the film. His own ego ruined something that was over a decade in the making and for what, to promise a fight that he will never get to deliver? He was pretty much promoting a wrestling match on film.

@@sneakykamon tbh I think that’s one of the main differences between John Cena and the Rock when it comes to their films. Though John Cena is still gonna be known for his WWE career, he knows how to serve the movies he’s in despite some of them being mostly decent.

@@meep9231 Absolutely. Case in point: Trainwreck. Cena’s a complete buffoon in that movie, but at the very least he’s in on the joke. Even in comedies, Rock is afraid to laugh at himself; he always has to be the cool guy. That’s why I’m starting to think he’s been making so many movies with Kevin Hart, he needs to be the straight man no matter what. I’m not saying The Rock’s always had an ego but it’s definitely been showing since Fast 6 or 7.

@@SirQuantization Rock is really self aware since his whole career was built on him being huge and lying about being natty. He's not a good actor and certainly has no idea how to write a good story. That's because he's neither an actor nor screenwriter - he's just a former, juiced up to the gills, wrestler.

I hope he doesn't. Outlines aren't how you make a cinematic universe. Making good movies and working backwards from that is how you do that. It's how Marvel did it. Marvel's outline was basically just doing four solo movies and if they do well then maybe we also make a crossover movie.

Um not really. Remember when the DCEU started production Gunn was just out of projects like Super, Slither and (of all things) the Lollypop Chainsaw game. Sure people vaguely knew him from writing Scooby-Doo and Dawn of the Dead. But few looked at him like a savior filmmaker back then.

@@Carabas72 but marvel still had a roadmap, Gunn’s roadmap for DC doesn’t have to be some strict immovable thing, but they do need an outline of where they want things to be as the basics of how to start or which movie to start with

@@CaptainPikeachu The DCEU had a superdetailed roadmap that they ended up scrapping because almost all of their movies failed. The Dark Universe had a big roadmap. Roadmaps are easy. And you can still make them after you have your first succesful movie. Marvel's roadmap was no more detailed than "let's make 4 completely seperate movies with only SHIELD and maybe a cameo here and there connecting them very losely".

@@Carabas72 the problem with marvel is that they make the same movie over and over with just a different character these characters have so much more than basic stuff and they don’t know how to use those comic stories

Having Superman fight Black Adam makes no sense. That’s like Cyborg going up against Brainiac.

They were literally in half the film. What do you mean 4 seconds?

@@BonzerMrT hawkman and fate were prominent at least, but atom smasher and that other girl whose name i cant even remember probably had like 20 lines each lmao

Yeah and they wasted him.

Absolutely! Would’ve loved a Dr. Fate solo movie!

I would argue he's more of DC's answer to Marvel's Dr. Doom

Thank you! Then Adam was changed from all bad to a little good, which has all kinds of issues, but this started in the comics apparently.

@@VoiceNerd Dr dooms a good comparison, since they're both benevolent "dictators" (a fact about Doom I'm actually surprised by, but idk enough about him and his personality to argue) But he has punisher moments I feel. Like when he's with the JSA (the arc that the movie was based on). His whole thing is his family was enslaved and killed in ancient kandaq and so he feels like killing his oppressors and anyone like them is the right thing to do. That always screamed punisher to me, just switch out the oppressors for just crime in general

Never knew Sivana was the main villain but makes sense. Mister mind was probably a big one too in that era. With the classic shazam art style. After that Adam must've become the main one

The first shazam movie was great reminds me when I was small and wanted to be a super hero

Lol.....

What's "ts"?

@@Ranger1812do you mean TSS If yes, then it’s just a short for The Suicide Squad

@@michaelcastillo619 It's the last word in his comment.

Jonny, your "hero" Gunn also has a history of "joking" inappropriately about little boys and girls. But it's okay to you dumb comic book fans who care more about your fantasy stories than innocent children being protected from predators like Gunn. You wouldn't be defending him if he were a Catholic priest that made those same exact "jokes," you dummy.

Hell the MCU was built on characters that were teamed up because they couldn’t sell comics.

you mean james gunn

its like gunn is the only guy who can make us love this obscure characters and i agree

Yes but see the difference Cena was the most popular of the stars on the suicide squad but it wasnt about him, and he had no problem playing the bad guy and not being the main focus. Luckily for him he did a great and James Gunn decided to give him a show.

​@@MC-Clap-Yo-Handsalso peacemaker and suicide squad is the only sucess in dceu in this year

Dr Fate did so well because Pierce Brosnan can actually act.

Wasnt bad. The china non release held it back from 500m.

I thought the twist was spoiled in the trailer.

@@hittingyouoverthehead didn't watch the trailer much

@@hittingyouoverthehead i watched the trailer after the movie and yeah, it was spoiled there. And for me personally the twist was great and made me look at the whole first half of the movie from a different angle.

It does sound promising.

Absolutely!

I gotta admit, I really like the idea of Black Adam being a prequel story set in ancient Egypt - well Kahndaq - instead of what we actually got.

Terrifying? Sure buddy, sure.

I had to call the usher in because I shit my pants when Black Adam beat up those nameless bad guys

Imo the dceu should have been more along the lines of man of steel, maybe man of steel 2, Batman movie, since the origin is played out maybe play with the grizzled Batman idea more show him loosing his edge and maybe Tim drake comes in as robin to help Batman become who he once was, if they wanted to do Batman v Superman after this I don’t think it would be as big of an issue since you have both characters setup in this universe. After or before this you can have Wonder Woman and aqua man then a justice league movie. This allows them to have more time to play around with character dynamics while still having other characters like cyborg and flash being introduced in other movies and eventually phase two can flesh them out with their own movies. By this point the main team is established so suicide squad would feel more in place with this universe, maybe the villain from Batman’s movie can be in here, if they didn’t kill zod put him in here too. My point is the dceu tried to instantly jump into phase 2 or 3 of its universe. I’m sure there a cleaner ways to make this universe but if you are going to go with a movie universe structure based on the dceu I think this would have been better. Hopefully the new universe will feel a lot better since it’s being planned more carefully

That's not unpopular lol.

@@TheNobleFive but it’s not exactly super common because so many people like him as a person I feel like they overlook the fact that he’s an average actor at best

Luckily, it looks like that might be what happens moving forward. Apparently the newer Batman direction will continue on the side separate from DCEU

unfortunately not enough importance for them to call out adam and the justice society for pretty much wrecking half the damn city lol