How Broken Are Smash 4's Top Tiers? 

Fun Fact: Fox is the only character and Top Tier to never change positions in Smash 4's lifespan, that being 7th place

Still so sad how they had to make Cloud's n-air animation look super weird to nerf the move.

Smash 4 is literally now just a historical curiosity.

This game was really fun when post-nerf Sheik was the best character. I remember the era between Ryu and Corrin very fondly

It's crazy how both of my mains, Diddy and Lucina, were amongst the best characters in the game, and while both were somewhat nerfed in Ultimate, they remained very consistent in terms of power.

+S 25:11 Bayonetta 23:25 Cloud 21:20 Diddy kong A 19:33 Sheik 17:54 Rosalina & luma 16:59 Zero suit samus 16:08 Fox 14:30 Sonic 13:15 Mario 11:51 Mewtwo 10:54 Marth 9:37 Ryu B 8:19 Corrin 7:34 Lucina 6:32 Pikachu 5:38 Meta knight 4:06 Lucario 2:58 luigi 2:12 Captain Falcon 0:54 princess peach

If you werent playing a top or high tier in smash 4 you did not have a good time lol

You forgot to mention that prepatch smash 4 Luigi was the best character in the game. He takes the cake easy.

Not to mention, the rage mechanic like good lord.

Talking about SSB4's top tiers has always been pretty fun for me, especially since it is the Smash game that I first entered competitively. I also have fun talking about how absurdly broken the top tiers were in vanilla SSB4. Vanilla SSB4 Sheik is likely the 2nd most broken Smash character to ever exist, and we as a community are lucky that she got nerfed long before the game's meta saw semblance of being fully developed.

i really liked the editing style and the personalized overviews but i think gathering more tournament footage and/or practicing the things you're trying to explain better (i.e. falcon and luigi's combo game) could do a lot to help solidify what you're saying. for luigi specifically mentioning the cyclone gimping and not showing it left me feeling a bit off put

To awnser the title question YES

When you do ultimate low tiers can you try not to insult my girl Isabelle

You should go over top tiers from different patch notes in this and ultimate. I'd be curious to learn about early shiek and diddy. Also havent watched so if you did this already oops

23:36 It's all cool man we all played alot of Cloud and kept it in private out of sheer embarrassment, that's how much cloud was amazing. Anyone can just pick him up and do great with him, man really had it all in smash 4.

Here is every character of this video, im also gonna mention if they were buffed or nerfed in the transition from brawl to smash 4 and im also gonna mention if they are newcommers B TIER: Peach (buffed) Capitan falcon (mega buffed) Luigi (mega buffed) Lucario (slightly buffed) Meta knight (nerfed) Pikachu (slightly nerfed) Lucina (newcommer) Corrin (newcommer, dlc fighter) A tier: Ryu (newcommer, dlc fighter) Marth (slightly nerfed) Mewtoo (mega buffed) Mario (ultra buffed, the most buffed fighter in the transition) Sonic (mega buffed) Fox (buffed) Zero suit samus (slightly buffed) Rosalina and luma (newcommer) Sheik (mega buffed) S TIER: Diddy kong (despite being higher slightly nerfed) Cloud (newcommer, dlc fighter) Bayonetta (newcommer, dlc fighter)

People complain how broken Steve is but cannot compare how terrible characters were made and unblanced in smash 4

14:32 please stop misusing the word ironic. Ironic is a word that describes something functioning opposite of it's intent.

Bayonetta made a HUGE damage to Smash 4.

I think Sonic was somewhat underdeveloped in that game, I think he could have reached top 3 Status if an extremely dedicated top player had picked him up. KEN was very good, but he was very aggressive and didn't abuse the character completely. Meanwhile the Rosalina, Fox and Diddy Metas were very optimized for example.

Now for how bad and good Ultimate's low tiers and top tiers are respectively

Meta knight actually has a lot of footstool combos that puts him on par with bayo when it comes to ToDs. His up air footstool resets force the opponent into perfect ladder %s and theres nothing you can do about it.

I grew up with 4 and I can’t find the disc anymore :(

I'm hyped for Ultimate's low tiers! I presume it will be D+ to E- tiers

4:47 non family friendly k word 🤯

Smash 4 characters loved to spam up tilt huh

This background footage is so bad 😭 Pls put some tournament footage or SOMETHING

What is the song that starts at 19:25?

This is a good video

dawg literally EVERYONE played cloud in smash 4, that ain't something to be ashamed of it was normal

Idk how you can say “these characters peaked” when 3 of them made there debuts in S4 and one was arguably better in brawl with 2 bananas

24:48 you mean down b. do you actually play the game?

Nice video but the background gameplay is terrible man

Underrated

Smash 4 actually looks better then ultimate sometimes

also b is high tier

bayonetta

Smash 4 got me into competitive smash. I just wish the game overall was better. It’s a huge step up compared to brawl competitively but as just a game overall it’s a huge step down. Without online multiplayer or without friends this game just has nothing. At least nothing worth playing compared to the other smash games. Even smash 64 has better single player content.

Do you know Ultimate S ?

Meta knight is the only good kirby character in smash 4

Better nerf Greninja

I really liked Smash 4 before Cloud and Bayo were released. It’s a shame, really. I want to play the game again sometime as it’s the first smash game that got me into playing it competitively, but those two characters are so broken that I don’t even want to deal with them. This might be a hot take, but I think Pre-Patch Diddy was more tolerable than those two.

I wish all Rosalina and Bayonetta tryhards a very nice I hope your system breaks and you never play again

Marth was always top tier expect ultimate

As a lesbian, seeing Bayonetta emblazoned with the word “TOP” in the thumbnail is making me laugh my ass off

They are so horrifying broken its a a dead game and people would rather play brawl.

The b tiers are mid tiers

Bayo, Cloud and Diddy would probably remain as the absolute MONSTERS of Smash 4. Also, the way how they buffed Mario, Sonic, Luigi and Falcon was like an apology after how they were in Brawl.

Honestly? As much as 4 gets dunked on rightfully for a LOT of things, there were some pretty hype parts of it as well that I'm sad to see isn't remembered. Smash 4 Shiek, Captain Falcon, Marth, Mewtwo, Meta Knight, footstool setups, Perfect Pivoting, Bidou setups.

I don't know who got the training mode footage for you but I'm willing to bet they don't have any serious time in smash 4 lol. It hurt to watch them struggle to connect moves

Still so pissed abt what they did to Rosa. Literally they just removed every single killing option from her kit and called it "balance"

At least, Mario's average to below average character abilities were finally fixed up in Smash 4. That's why he wasn't considered to be a good character in the first three Smash titles. It's also pretty interesting to see that this is the first time that both Luigi and Mario are considered to actually be Top Tier characters (aside from the early Melee Tier lists). I know that most people don't rank Mario and Diddy Kong high up on their personal favorite character lists like they normally do with Luigi, but it's pretty interesting to see that my top three favorites (out of 10 characters) (1. Luigi, 2. Mario, and 3. Diddy Kong) are considered to be Top Tier characters in Smash 4. LOL

Fun Fact: Before Patch 1.1.1, Luigi was One of the Best Characters in the game

note how most of them are dlc characters

Cool

Yooooooo

Great video, there's so many interesting variations of characters in Smash 4 and it's intriguing to see how some characters changed between Smash 4 and Ultimate. Also I hear the Marvel vs Capcom music you put in and I still can't believe that the classic Marvel vs Capcom games are back on modern platforms!

Not gonna lie dude this channel is becoming really bad. The same content format with really basic info, editing, topics that everybody else has already talked about. Salem and M2k talking about the game for an hour is interesting because they know what they are talking about, interesting personality, different angles, relevance in the same scene. Also constantly mispronouncing and getting stuff wrong is really annoying too 24:49 I feel like making pm videos is def the move in terms of getting a loyal fan base and quality. Not trying to be a hater

Kirby is my favorite Super Smash Brothers character!