I'm not a gun owner but these videos have fascinated me for years. You guys do a great job of making everything accessible and interesting, and I appreciate that you keep it positive and keep politics out of it. Keep doing what you're doing, this series is great.
The 30 30 was always considered a "brush gun" when you were trying to shoot through mesquite brush in South Texas. My mom never failed to bring home the buck when she went out with the old lever action at 50 yards in the brush country. When she switched over to the 243 Winchester, bolt action, she left a few more deer in the brush when the bullet bounced off a twig, but her shoulder didn't bother her as much.
@@lionknives3 He was one of the shooters. I also think he was the guy who help to create the infamous Lead Plate. He passed not too long ago after a battle with cancer. If you look back though some of the videos of the past year or two you will see him in them.
Nylon rounds were and still are marketed for cqb training, essentially they're able to disintegrate on impact with steel targets without any significant risk of fragments causing injury.
That was a fun and interesting video, love how y'all throw in a little Danny mentions from time to time too, surly miss seeing the old gang together. Was a bit surprised by some of the test, didn't expect penetrations' from a couple, and didn't see a finger wiggle with comment that was expecting from OG either LOL. Like see y'all mixing it up every once in a while, till the next one, take care and stay safe, we'll be here waiting.
Yeh the 45 70 was the most iffy of them a toss up 30 30 i knew would zip strait through same for the 7 62. We all seen what small and fast does with the mach 5 air soft pellet they zip strait through like a damn drill. Insanely fast and small
Dang I miss Dead Eye, thank you OG and Jeff for continuing to shoot that lead plate and using Danny's smooth bore= perfect touch. I can't believe I miss someone I never met, as much as I miss Danny. Thanks again Jeff and OG
Thanks Guys , You made Me smile today , Danny's lead plate shot gun & Red dot , OG's infectious humour and the patented finger wiggle & Jeff's superb footage & commentary , what more could We ask for ? , Catch You next episode . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
@@OGsDangerShow My Pleasure OG , as Always , I enjoy every minute of every episode and I know the comments help the ratings so It gives Me impetus to actually write something , Sometimes on a few of the other channels Just because I know it helps . Hope to catch You soon on Your Danger Show , (I love My T spring OG hoodie , its perfect for these miserable late winter UK chilly days . Catch You soon .
Wow! my first bolt gun was a model 340 chambered in .223. Got it with money from roofing a house in the mid 70's Still own it to this day. You guys rock!!
That was a great recording showing how the different rounds perform and how velocity plays a big part in how the round is able to penitent the lead plate. Thanks again for all the fun recordings. Keep up the good work.
This channel inspired me to cast my own lead plate😂 mine only weighs 28 lbs but I cast it in a deeper pan with a smaller circumference. So it's about 2 inches thick. Very formidable target!
I accidentally made a THICC (approx. 6" across x 4" thick) lead "plate" a couple of years ago. My son and I were melting wheel weights in a 1.5-2 quart steel saucepan and casting 1lb ingots. Fire died out on the LAST melt with the 4"ish left in the pot. It cooled and would not come out! Been using it for everything from a door stop to a weight to press things under.
It's cool seeing so many rounds all go head-to-head (well, head-to-plate), and it's nice that Danny's still at the range in spirit. Great work on this one!
45-70 modern loads are beastly, most factory loads are heavily downloaded so people don't blow up old guns with cast receivers ment for blackpowder rounds.
@@michaelbaker8284 Mike 2,100 fps for the 170gr load and 2,400 fps for the 150gr are the industry standards it seems. A few offerings go 100+/- fps faster. But not a lot faster. I know that the 30-30 AI exists, not sure how much faster that altered case gets over the normal 30-30 though.
I would really like to have seen this test done with ALL FMJ rounds. With the different calibers, barrel lengths, etc., at least all would have the same type of projectile. Much easier said than done, I'm sure; still, it was a great video. Well done Taofledercrew!
i would really like to see several rounds of the same or similar bore diameter tested. like 9X19mm 9X21mm, .38 ACP,. 38 Super, .38 special, .357 magnum etc. or the different .45/.44 rounds, just to see the difference in power.
A lot of people like hollow points since they do better at stopping people and don't shoot the guy behind the bad guy as often. The .45 ACP might be not punch through armor, but it'll punch through a hoodie.
@@elsydeon666 Thats not the point. Some rounds were FMJ. When shooting lead, a FMJ makes more sense. The hotter rounds shooting JHP's will mushroom quicker and more and just not penetrate the lead.
That .45ACP did exactly what it's supposed and I want it to do. Hit hard and dump it's energy right into the target. If that were a person, I wouldn't want it to blow a hole all the way through. The .45 Super would come a lot closer but, impressive as the other rounds are, (I'd like a Burno but my wallet wouldn't) there's a reason I like my 1911, G21 and G21 with a MechTech, carbine upper and a 27rd. mag... Thompson firepower in a modern, configurable package (I have the M4 style). No extra paperwork and converts from pistol to carbine in about 5 seconds. And the 16" barrel kicks that .45ACP up a couple notches, too. Punching holes is cool and I like my Xtreme Penetrator/defender rounds (Try a .45ACP Xtreme Penetrator through a 16" carbine and see how big a hole it makes) as well. Puting a round through a target is impressive, puting a round *in* a target keeps him from shooting back (unless the hole happens to be through his head... Or his heart 😉).
This was a very useful piece of context for all the other videos you've done. It's not high tech calibrated testing medium or whatever but it does make comparing performance in one of the many factors much easier. Great idea to do this.
Idc what yall are shooting or out of what. I come here cause yall are my friends and I typically enjoy any content you put out. I hope one day Jeff gets back to some sciency stuff on occasion too. Those were some fun veideos as well.
Been a longtime viewer, love the video. I'm so sorry for what yall have been going through, I lost a family member to cancer just before the pandemic. I know things will never be the same, but I hope you guys are doing ok either way. It's been a hard few years for everyone, and I'm glad you guys are still going out to shoot. Grief never goes away, it just hits you less often as time goes on. I hope you guys keep doing what you love.
I know standard .308 ball will go straight through a quarter inch of mild steel at a hundred yards so it's not altogether surprising that the full-power rifle rounds made it through the lead plate.
What a great episode! I was mostly impressed by the 3030. Would like to see the 10 mm through a longer barrel like the high point carbine. Great episode!
Or even a g20 or g40 with a 220gr hardcast. Most folks (up here in AK anyway) who carry 10mm carry it with critters in mind. HST 10mm is (like almost all Federal 10mm loadings) almost identical to 40s&w.
Love this video so much. That lead plate test on steroids. And a fitting end to the video using Danny's shotgun. Miss that guy. But O.G and Jeff always find a way to keep his spirit in the videos.
I, too, can't believe how much punch those .22 had. Also, just how similar the .40/10mm and .45 were compared to the 9mm! The 7.5 was a "whoa" moment, even though it's seen it on OG's channel... I actually thought the .223 was going to make it through, and was my only prediction. Anything bigger, I expected to go through, so that all went as expected (didn't know that'd 7.62 would be nylon, but was impressive still!); however, the crater from the Creedmoor _did_ surprise me... very respectable. *Gregg:* if you see this, how did the 7.5 FK's recoil compare to those bigger caliber pistols? As I recall, they made an effort to make their bolt mechanism work a little differently, to mitigate that... but now that you've owned it awhile, I'm curious about whether you're original opinion has changed. Thanks, and nice shootin! 🤘
Many years ago while working in a camera store. One of the vendors came in hawking then new 'ballastic nylon' camera bags, bragging that they were 'bulletbproof'. In the course of his sales pitch he explained that they had actually run penetration tests to see if tbe material was indeed bulletproof. According to him the round that came closest to punching through was the 22 rim fire. It kinda makes sense. It's moving at about 357 mag velocities with half the frontal area. Exactly the opposite of the fat and slow 45 acp.
@@chuckaddison5134 True. To me, my surprise stems from it's the lack of a harder jacket yet still ended up leaving that sized divot. Though, now I'm curious what a Nylon .22 with a hardened steel penetration core would be capable of, or even a hardened steel - copper jacketed .17HMR 😈🤪
I've used .22 mag to drop goats (Head shots) for the freezer at 90 metres. (Shocked the S out of me the first time). & the crazy thing is, the other goats basically run 5 - 10 metres then stop....ready for the next one.
Cci stingers are hitting almost 1700fps. I have a custom ruger chambered specifically for those. Nasty little 22lr round, super accurateas well for factory. Casing is little longer than a standard 22lr hence the custom clambering for them.
Great video guys, was a little surprised there wasn't some 357 or 44 action with the pistols though? I guess they've also been used in some rifles too though, lever actions at least.
.44 mag from a lever action would have been interesting. The .44 mag gains a lot of speed from longer barrels. But I don't think it would have made it through the plate, it's still weaker than .30-30
This was a great video. I'm sure Danny is smiling. Stuff like this is always going to be interesting. I wonder if you kept adding lead to the plate by, let's say 5 lb increments, how long would it take before the extreme Russian penetrator or any of the others that have just bulldozed their way through that thing, finally stop.
Really interesting video. Thank you for taking the time and effort to shoot up the lead plate. Especially interesting for me living across the pond, I get to live vicariously through you guys 😁
Great video guys! I almost never make negative comments, but I can believe y'all didn't test .22 Magnum from a Taurus revolver or Marlin bolt action.. 😪😪 That .22 Stinger was pretty nasty though 🤠
@@taofledermaus i know, i know. i'm just playing with ya's. Love you guys so much. Been watching since 2015.. I sure miss that crusty old fart Danny. I remember when he first started subbing for OG. Sláinte Danny. 🙏✝
Really interesting vid guys. You could definitely make more of these, especially using slo--mo. Maybe similar calibre but different bullets, eg 9mm fmj, +p, hard cast etc?
Just want to point out the 4570 hitting in the center didn't do anywhere near the damage the one on the edge did. Compare that to the 30-30 vs 7.62x39 round and it's no wonder why the 3030 looked like it did better. A more accurate test would be both versus the center of the plate.
yeah, the penetration point has much less support around it. differences in the projectile notwithstanding, I wouldn't draw much conclusion that the 7.62 did signifcantly worse. the .30-30 should be slightly more powerful in typical loadings though, and you see it with heavier bullets than the near universal 123 gr 7.62x39 too
Warning do not try to jump out of the way of the tuba playing 45 cal 🤣🤣🤣 I tried it and I wasn’t as fast 💨 as I thought 🤦♂️now I have a extra hole 🕳… just a joke 😅!! Love waking up to a new vid from you guys and this one ☝️ was awesome 👏🏻
Would have been cool if there was a 357 magnum included in the video. ain't going to go through but pretty common. Always thought and felt 30-30 to be underpowered compared to 7.62x39. guess not. Good video
x54R pushes a 125gr jacketed bullet around 3200fps. x39 with same bullet around 2500fps. 30-30 125gr round nose bullet around 2500fps. x54R and 30-30 are not closer than x39 and 30-30. I own a 30-30 and 3 rifles in x39 and used to have a Mosin; I can tell you from first hand experience the x54R is a more powerful round.
@@stevennewman4778 thanks for putting in the examples. I was going to say that 30/30 end x39 are very similar when you compare them with common loadings of certain bullet weights. The same is true for 300 blackout which is just barely less than the max loading this of 762 by 39 but in most comparable loadings is nearly indistinguishable. I love 300 black with a 30-30 bullet that's 172 grains and it's definitely a stout round. I should chronograph that sometime.
@@rob9875 Depending on what bullet and powder you're using, you can get the same velocity from 180-200 grain projectile out of x54R as 125gr x39 and 30-30. The point is still the same; x54R is a more powerful round and not comparable to the other two.
I had zero expectation that the 30-30 would make it through. Makes me want to play around with my old Model 94, except for the fact that I haven't seen any 30-30 ammo available anywhere in over a year.
The pistol rounds were relatively safe at that distance, the rifle rounds were not. At those speeds the lead cracks and is ejected as large chunks. You can see the lead turns gray instead of silvery with the rifle rounds, due to brittle fractures.
@@taofledermaus thanks again for your support of the truckers, i can tell you that exposure to minus 20s and 30s weather truly sorts out the crowd. As an avid watcher of all your ballistic machinations your response is amazing, best wishes and thanks to Officer Greg Brianna and the crew. I can only guess at the sadness of the crew over Danny as it broke all of our hearts out here in video land, ps my handle is pronounced rekkie short form for my role as a recon soldier many many years ago.
Incorrect. The larger mass would have much greater kinetic energy. Would knock much more material out of the plate. Especially given it's larger diameter. Stop being a fud. You probably think ceramic plates are useless after only one shot.
.50 Beowulf, or .50 BMG?? That's a *_VERY_* important distinction. The former would probably be similar to a copper jacketed 12ga round. The _latter,_ would likely blow half the back off the plate, or more if it has a dimpled nose and can mushroom a tiny bit on impact. However.... 😏😊🤤 .50 BMG "Penetrator"? I'd like to put a bet down on it _splitting_ the plate, in to as many pieces as it has flutes! 😎
@@bad_request5088 physics my friend, the 50.cal bullet has way to much energy and would pass right thru, there is not enouth stopping mass that the projektile would have a chance to transfer enouth energy to the led plate. if you would place a second one with a bit distance behind it, than would it be a diffrent story. but not on the single led plate. A 5cm led plate gives not enouth resistance.
I havent watched even 120 seconds yet, and i feel that this is one of your most Informational videos. not that the other ones arent, but this one seems to be very nice :) Danny would be proud guys :)
Impressed with the .22s. I did expect a good result from the CCI Stinger. I used to have a .22 Sterling recoil action semi-auto rifle which I had uprated the spring on. The only ammo I could source locally which reliably operated it was RWS Stingers. Wax cored, copper coated. (Coated, not jacketed)
A lot of militaries used nylon rounds for short range indoor ranges. I was stationed in West Berlin in 1983 to 1988 and we had an indoor range at one of our training sites where we only used nylon rounds in the M16A2. We also had a subcaliber round that we used for the main gun that fired a nylon 50 caliber bullet shot through a M2 barrel mounted in the 105mm cannons breech that was wired to the fire control system.
I was surprised. I did think most rifle rounds would but some didn’t. Wow. I am happy with the effort the both of you guys put in for our enjoyment. I just wish Danny was seen but he was smiling down on you two today. We miss you Danny!!!! God bless everyone.
For years I've been watching this channel, and only now that I approach 40 do I realize the v you put above things in your videos is supposed to be an arrow.
That was great thank you Jeff and OG! Very informative and interesting. It really puts things in perspective on the power and ability of the various calibers out there. I was really surprised by the .45 ACP.!
Nicely done guys, that answered quite a few questions! I love how you work in fun little Danny references throughout the video - he's there in spirit, for sure!
Thanks for another great video, guys! I gotta say, I think a lot more of my Winchester 1894 30-30 now after seeing its caliber punch through that plate!
Wow fantastic video guys, it's clear you know what you're doing and i am really impressed on how many different things you showed us. I wonder if this lead is more brittle because of impurities. I wouldn't expect a lead plate to just break into chunks like that. But I'm not an expert.
I switch between a 5x7 and a 10mm for carry options. As much as I like shooting 10mm the fn 5x7 is my favorite gun to shoot. More enjoyable. I'm glad you guys finally took on the plate, full on
An excellent ballistics test. It’s great to see comparisons side by side of what each round is capable of. While it may vary in different firearms, or loading options, it is valuable information contained in one video. It also seems that lead might be a low cost option to contain negligent, or “accidental” discharge in some applications.
That Savage bolt action .30-30 is sweet. I've only seen one of those in my lifetime, a kid I went to school with back in the early 80s had one he deer hunted with.
My dad passed when I was 8 my brother was 15 with that said My dad's favorite rifle was his 3030 just like OGs. My brother got it to this day and that rifle has gotten three generations of deer. My dad would be proud. Awesome rifle.
Great video. Only thing lacking was the interesting music from bands I’ve never heard before and sound effects. It’d be interesting to see which of these rounds through ballistic gel would make Bieber soar the highest.
