How California’s Railroads are Going Zero-Emissions by the 2060s

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@procrastinatingpuma 14 дней назад

By electrification, right? By electrification… right?

@adventuresofamtrakcascades301 13 дней назад

That's the key of zero emission power source

@jnrfalcon 13 дней назад

At least UP and BNSF claim part of the problem is they can't run double stack intermodal and trash transport trains with overhead catenaries. And they love the capacity boost with double stacks. That's why we have to strike down PSR, hire more engineers run more lighter shorter trains that can actually speed up in between curves. With PSR, US rail system is doomed

@daniellewis1789 13 дней назад

@@jnrfalconThey can run double stack under properly designed overhead electrification - India manages substantially taller freight loads than any US clearance plate.

@jnrfalcon 13 дней назад

@@daniellewis1789 it's mostly fine except in tunnels built 100 years ago. There's not enough clearance in those tunnels

@daniellewis1789 13 дней назад

@@jnrfalcon That's easily fixable. You have a couple different options - mandate a couple minutes of battery/capacitor storage on your electric locomotives. Dig the tunnel out a bit deeper. Run a multiple voltage setup with 1500v DC in the tunnel for less clearance. Use third rail in the tunnels. There's so many options, and they don't want to announce "yep, we're gonna have ten years where we have less stock buybacks than our competitors and after that we'll be ahead."

@crgkevin6542 14 дней назад

Battery electric locomotives have got to be the worst option for zero emission locomotives. Just install electrification FFS!

@ncard00 13 дней назад

But it’s the realistic solution, and removes vibrations, noise, air pollution, and the smell of diesel for passengers, that’s all I care about, the local environment, not the global environment, cause 1200 metric tons of co2 are emitted every single second globally, that will never reach zero.

@harutosunaa3881 13 дней назад

Knowing Burgerland though, it costs way more than it should.

@gamerfan8445 13 дней назад

@@ncard00you are singing a different story after one caught fire.

@uncipaws7643 13 дней назад

FFS, Ferrovie federali svizzere, is a good point: Switzerland is fully electrified since long!

@gamerfan8445 13 дней назад

@@astrobrady2396 you realize battery locomotives cost as much as overhead lines.

@IamTheHolypumpkin 13 дней назад

The California Legislature should’ve included strong incentives to do proper overhead electrification (maybe only an main-lines). All round I do approve the spirit of the legislation.

@SalmanMentos 13 дней назад

I think California would be better with 3rd Rail because the general public wont even notice it and some people thinks overhead electrification is цglу

@LiteGamer52 13 дней назад

@@SalmanMentos You can build less visual polluting catenary wires.

@SalmanMentos 13 дней назад

@@LiteGamer52 yeah but it costs more money and SOME people still thinks its an eyesore

@railfandepotproductions 13 дней назад

*on

@CSXIV 13 дней назад

One thing at a time. Also-overhead wires. We have a lot of rail lines that date back to the Central Pacific. You cannot properly grade separate every single rail line, especially every rail line that needs to be crossed to get to a beach. If the choice is "third rail and having to build a way to get to the beach" or "overhead wire and can still cross into the beach" overhead wire wins.

@johnclark8227 14 дней назад

I think that Electrification would be the best solution. Combined with some Dual-Mode locomotives for smaller branch lines. And the railroads could even keep their older locomotive fleets. After all diesel electric locomotives are just electric locomotives with an additional engine and fuel tank. If I remember correctly there is an example for that in India, where they are rebuilding older EMD diesels into electric locomotives, I think the new locomotive class is called WAG-11, if I'm not mistaken :) So that would possibly reduce the costs for electrification slightly.

@TheWolfHowling 11 дней назад

Amtrak & Siemens are doing something like this with the ALC-42E variant of the Charger. These locomotives will have an extra car, referred to as a "Auxiliary Power Vehicle", with a pantograph & the transformers and equipment to take power from the OHC and convert it into the correct phase & voltage that can be feed to the locomotive's traction motor system, as well as additional motors in the APV.

@gdrriley420 14 дней назад

Pushing for zero emissions over pushing modal shift is classic CARB. Modal shift is what we really need but old school environmentalists and most regulators hate the idea. The hydrogen FLIRTs are for testing state wide.

@LJRailfan-Gamer_07. 13 дней назад

Now with California nearing its zero emissions goal, I have to head to the rails to catch the older generation locomotives on their last few miles. Amtrak: GE P42DC. Built between 1993 and 2001, with the ALC-42 already debuted on the Empire Builder, Capitol Limited, Coast Starlight, California Zephyr, and Texas Eagle, the Southwest Chief is the last long distance train to have the Genesis units leading. Soon, they might be evicted from California and work on the northeast for their final years. BNSF: GE Dash 9. Built between 1994 and 2003, these will be the last of the dash series to be slated for retirement after the Dash 7 and Dash 8. Metrolink: EMD F59PH and MPI MP36PH-3C. The F59 was built in 1992 and the MP36 was built from 2008 to 2009. 856, 868, and 873 are the last three F59’s operating. Hope I will film them before they and the MP36’s gets sidelined in the 2030’s

@FresnoSubber 13 дней назад

Honestly, hearing that historical engines won’t be affected by this is a breath of fresh air (despite the fact that Napa Valley’s FPA’s and other engines don’t fall under that apparently). I’d rather have a state that has some diesel history preserved and running rather than have said diesels somehow being under that and can’t run because of it. Now I’m interested to see how further we’ll go with this whole emissions thing.

@stickynorth 14 дней назад

Hydrogen, good. Battery, better. Overhead electric? Best!

@gearandalthefirst7027 13 дней назад

Battery bad, hydrogen worse. Overhead electric: should've been installed 50 years ago. Diesel? Beyond archaic.

@memeingrailfan3553 8 дней назад

Yes

@illiiilli24601 3 дня назад

@@gearandalthefirst7027 The best time to plant a tree was 50 years ago, the second best time is now

@uncipaws7643 13 дней назад

Now it would be good if the state supported widespread electrification of its mainlines. In countries with state-owned rail infrastructure it's often the government taking such decisions, but private owners of tracks can get state funding as well, provided they will after that allow other operators to use their electric infrastructure as well. (Payment can be handled easily, put a power counter on the locomotive.)

@henrythef1guy768 13 дней назад

Except there are no mixed traffic main lines that are owned solely by railways operating exclusively in Cali. Either the freight railway itself or a nationalised network would have to install power lines across the nation. Which the other solution to the passenger rail problem would be to change “freight goes first” to “whichever train is first to the junction goes first” just like it is in the UK (I believe)

@michaelcoldwater7147 13 дней назад

They will not be zero emissions as you see nothing is zero emissions

@chasemartin4450 13 дней назад

Nuclear and renewable-powered electrified rail *must* become the backbone of California's transportation system if we want to improve sustainability!

@TheAustinSubRailfan 13 дней назад

Anybody know when CalTrain's F40's are going to be retired? I wanna try and see some more of them before they're gone.

@SkysTrains 13 дней назад

probably around september, as thats when they will most likely start phasing in the new trains

@jackchen7003 13 дней назад

They will be gone in September 2024, effective immediately

@CSXIV 13 дней назад

Possibly this year. The new Stadler KISS EMU's are scheduled to go into revenue service in September. They've already started to remove the gallery cars to make room for the new EMU's and once the first order is complete, they'll me moving the F40's out. I think the latest draft for the new schedule has the f59's running from Gilroy to San Jose-and that's it. There's a timed transfer for further north. Although CalTrain hasn't mentioned what to do with the Gilroy extension, but I suspect that will be thier next big project. It isn't as easy as "just electrify it" because the UP owns those rails, or "wait for CHSR to build thier line" because we don't know when that's happening and that will have different stops (also you want CHSR to have as few blended rail sections as possible).

@Br-bs1xe 13 дней назад

H² EMUs run in Germany in regular service with normal reliability problems for new rollingstock but with very littel issus with the drivetrein, like issus with the software . So i am an big supporter for H² Locos and EMUs over Battery EMUs. H²locos can be as powerful as Electriclocos and have the same range as Diesellocos. Maybe buliding lighter loco is an option because up to 196t for an 4400hp loco is not efficient. But an good Video thumbs up!

@drdewott9154 11 дней назад

But in most cases the hydrogen train plans are already being phased out. The main reason bring the excessively high operating cost which is upwards of 4 times that of battery or overhead electric trains

@Br-bs1xe 8 дней назад

@@drdewott9154 I just talking for Germany here is that not the case. German Rail operators are very positiv over H² for longer Dieselroutes 90km and more.

@SpheroJr3289 День назад

We build heavy for higher tractive effort actually, thats why US Locos tend to be much heavier.

@SleepTrain456 13 дней назад

As a Californian railfan, I found this quite an informative summary of CARB's ambitious-sounding plan. Thanks for the video!

@lioneljones6484 13 дней назад

That carb plan will go right out the windows if either up or bnsf threatens to build massive tofc yards in Arizona or Nevada and stop running trains into the state, and bnsf has already said they would do it, at that point the feds would come in and tell carb to back off,

@osmanhossain676 13 дней назад

I always love California High-Speed Rail in California.😮

@Pensyfan19 13 дней назад

Very well made video! You hit every point on the head, as although I personally prefer hydrogen over lithium ion, it would be best for the state to heavily encourage the construction of overhead electrification, and to actively divert funding away from high carbon emitters such as cars, trucks and planes.

@jeffreyrule8143 13 дней назад

Thank you. A very informative video. Happy rails.

@richardjayroe8922 13 дней назад

Part of this is smart and reasonable, but on the other hand, how many trucks are on the highway rolling coal? And I could see a small battery powered industrial switcher

@TheRailwayDrone 13 дней назад

This country should have electrified our railways a long time ago. Other developed countries have done this. I don't know why we're always behind in a lot of things (actually, I do know why).

@ClearSignalJDMan 13 дней назад

Hey nice video, That BNSF 8061 is a ES44C4. Also that would be ashame to see the BNSF ES44DCS to retire in 2035. Imo its honestly a bad idea to do this to make everything zero emissions.

@LiteGamer52 13 дней назад

Does this mean more overhead wires? If so, then it's going to be great!

@darkpokemon0426 13 дней назад

Washington state is already following California in establishing the cap-and-trade carbon market, I wonder if there's any chance the state could be pressured into adopting CARB standards for locomotives here too...

@YveDahl 13 дней назад

wish they would look into overhead electrification even though its expensive. though the benefits outweigh the costs

@adventuresofamtrakcascades301 13 дней назад

11:40 California's car infrastructure is indeed pretty bad. Because it goes back and forth way too many times between the design of a "road" compared to a "street". For example, where i am right now, this WHOLE space would be designed as a "STROAD" that tries to be a thoroughfare AND a destination at the same time. That simply does not work that way. The same applies to California's insane highways

@earlfreeman93 12 дней назад

This is where the state and the federal governments need to take over the mainline corridor to electrify them as well as to realign them for safer and higher speed running ; since the private railroad companies will never be able to afford electrification of the mainline network on their own.

@moartrainz4242 13 дней назад

This is a great breakdown! However, if you could in the future, integrate a few static shots with the most important bullet points, it would really help me internalize the information better. I’m more of a visual learner and sometimes seeing info written out enhances a voice over tenfold. Just a suggestion, longtime sub, love your work!

@True_NOON 14 дней назад

Imma just say *_Finally_* Also battery is rly only for the building phase fr

@csxnspittsburghdivision8580 13 дней назад

Why does amtrack on the Northeast Corridor have freight trains that need to have electric trains on the northeast corridor

@edwinsinclair9853 13 дней назад

Amtrak does not operate freight trains. Any freight traffic on the Northeast Corridor (and it's damned little if any)_uses diesel power. Anyone who thinks that Union Pacific and BNSF (the only two mainline railroads in California) are going to spend billions of dollars to electrify their thousands of miles of trackage and motive power just for California, is living in a naive dream world. Electric locomotives are great for passenger service, but for almost two mile long freight trains very impractical in today's technology. Don't forget that power has to be generated somewhere.

@gamerfan8445 13 дней назад

@@edwinsinclair9853say that to the Virginia Railroad.

@LiteGamer52 13 дней назад

It's easy for the freight trains that run on that corridor to use overhead wire electric locomotives.

@gamerfan8445 13 дней назад

@@LiteGamer52 actually they should do tests to see for there self

@railfandepotproductions 13 дней назад

@@edwinsinclair9853you forgot about the Milwaukee road and the PRR

@bukasb 13 дней назад

that’s funny cause the state literally told Napa Valley to “destroy” their MLWs, a scenic railroad with vintage equipment, California is so confusing 😭

@HIDLad001 13 дней назад

Did anything happen to them?

@johnwondolowski179 13 дней назад

The problem in that case was that Napa Valley had to do that because they applied for a grant to get new locomotives. That was a condition of the grant. That, and I'm guessing they are considered more a commercial operation than a museum operation. Deal with the Devil and it's going to burn you.

@alexrobison19 10 дней назад

The state didn’t tell them to destroy the locomotive just the prime mover. The NVR took money from the state to buy the KLWs. One of the requirements to get the funds was to destroy the original prime mover they’re replacing. They can keep the MLWs by rebuilding them to tier 4 emission standards but it’s not likely that they’ll go that route.

@solarflare623 13 дней назад

If you ask me the railroads will electrify EVENTUALLY. They’ll likely eventually realize just how impractical batteries are and finally suck it up and electrify

@dylanryall 13 дней назад

But not after trying and failing to use the inefficiencies of battery engines in a bid to go back to diesel. If we get a long enough period if strong congressional support of emissions reduction this might push Congress to regulate some sanity into freight railroad operations and get them off of making profit primarily by cutting costs rather than actually providing a fast and efficient delivery process.

@solarflare623 13 дней назад

@@dylanryall I’ll be completely honest the government should just nationalize the entire rail network. The benefits DRASTICALLY outweigh the drawbacks.

@lioneljones6484 13 дней назад

@@solarflare623ok so where is the Government going to get the around 5 trillion dollars to pay off all the stock holders at ns, csx, and up, then but outright bnsf who owns the most valuable rail route in the country, then you have to deal with 2 non american railroads in cn and cp, and on what grounds would the government be able to nationalize you need to have a reason to do it, and the fake climate emergency isn't a reason that would ever be able to stand up in the courts

@lioneljones6484 13 дней назад

Nope because there aren't any electric locomotives that can generate the pulling power to pull a hundred car stack train, at 60mph, they just don't exist

@solarflare623 13 дней назад

@@lioneljones6484 what about more than 1 electric locomotive on the same train? They already do that with the diesels

@SteveGettingAroundPhilly 13 дней назад

One other thing to keep an eye on in the near term is a bill going that passed the California state assembly that allows rail projects using overhead line electrification to be exempt from environmental review under CEQA, the state's notoriously strict environmental laws, thus enabling agencies and railroads to implement electrification projects quicker and cheaper. Really should help the LA Metro, Amtrak and the freight railroads get nudged in the right direction. A small step perhaps, but one better than most.

@LiteGamer52 13 дней назад

Also, Metrolink

@ethancampbell6076 13 дней назад

Since you mentioned SF to SJ Peninsula corridor they can’t extend all the way to Gilroy. They can go far as Tamien for the electrical route.

@CSXIV 13 дней назад

I was just thinking about this. This is likely Caltrain's next project. The main options are working with the UP or seeing what CHSR intends to do, and both aren't getting it done anytime soon. I'm still waiting for a rail extension further south, that would connect with Santa Cruz County's light rail project (likely 5-10 years away from actual physical work). That would turn my commute from "driving over mountains" to "sleep on train." Caltrain was connected to this in the late 90's before dropping out and Capitol Corridor was looking into it.

@ClintonStClair 13 дней назад

One time on X or Facebook I saw a post about a CA bill to eliminate EIR’s for sidings and electrification. But I can’t find any news on it. So I don’t know how true it was.

@alexisdespland4939 13 дней назад

how dose the law deal with dead heading engines across calaforinias system from one neibouring state to another wherethey are legal. ;

@jackthegiantkiller388 12 дней назад

how much would it cost to build electric?

@MartinHoeckerMartinez 14 дней назад

You missed the Hydrogen fuel cell multiple unit train that's going into use on Merolink's Arrow service

@IronHorsefan1869 14 дней назад

Unfortunately he misses alot of things

@railfandepotproductions 13 дней назад

@@IronHorsefan1869*alot

@Train43Kaleb 13 дней назад

Your back again

@shurikadze 10 дней назад

The title of the video is a puzzle to a lot of us, Californians. We are yet to see a 100% electrification with Nuclear power in California. So far we buy 75% of all electricity out of state with more than half of it produced with coal. Go California!

@trainzandplanes522 7 дней назад

Its going to be interesting to see if MetroLink is going to be doing the same concept as Caltrain in the aspect of buying Stadler KISS trains that are longer, as well as double tracking and electrification. (either that or battery KISS trains, could be good ideas for them, but I'd prefer electrification)

@alexisdespland4939 13 дней назад

how a iscalafornia going to deal with low bridges and tunnels that can not yet fix the increased high needed to fix the wires.

@CSXfan618 13 дней назад

ET44AHs would be retired before 2045.

@dncarac 12 дней назад

This is the state that has periodic planned blackouts??

@user-eg5mg4fo1m 12 дней назад

If you’re willing to put electricity into locomotives passively, then why not do it actively

@gloryannbatista6211 2 дня назад

ATTENTION EVERYONE IN THIS CHAT Norfolk southern DASH 9 (One of the rebuilds) was leading back first and helping Capital Limited 30 TO DC at the gaithersburg MARC station

@petitkruger2175 13 дней назад

LA has oil pumps in the middile of parking lots. California is so bizzare

@TohaBgood2 13 дней назад

They’ve been removing them gradually literally for decades now. Less than 1% are still there and that’s only because they can’t legally recover them. It’s funny how you all just watch two-three youtubers and borrow their opinions, no matter how silly or poorly researched. Have a brain of your own.

@steve87thpsap 13 дней назад

So let me get this straight, CA doesn’t have enough electricity to power the state, but wants to put everything on electric. Where is the electricity coming from? Oh that’s right, the plugs in the wall. Where is the money for new electrical producing plants? Does the railroad have to make the plants? Oh yeah don’t forget Electrical companies shut down overhead lines because of fire issues, how is that going to work?

@G-546 9 дней назад

I fear that this could stop their from being development into new services. For example a system like SMART that opened in 2017 would probably not get built if they had waited 10 years due to the additional cost of equipment

@jackthegiantkiller388 12 дней назад

what railroads will stop operating in california ?:

@massmike11 13 дней назад

When it comes to electrification the locomotives would be the cheep part, the overhead wires is going to be the expensive part.

@videomaker133 12 дней назад

"Historic locomotives are unaffected." Well guess who decides what's historic?

@TranscontinentalRailfan 14 дней назад

Wow!

@gloryannbatista6211 11 дней назад

Hey Sam CSX number 1852 was recently repainted into western Maryland colors

@aaronmiller5012 5 дней назад

Well I think the freight locomotives from UP and BNSF should be rebuilt to Tier 4 in order to keep their diesel engines going and extend their life plus use a more sustainable diesel fuel like renewable diesel fuel made from plants, used cooking oil, etc.

@jdubbs3422 12 дней назад

This is reckless and shortsighted. Your focus should be on connecting neighborhoods with viable transit. The cars on the highways are your biggest problem, not the railroads. This is ridiculous and not celebratory at all.

@ergotot45 6 дней назад

overhead electrification infrastructure totally ruins railroad photography opportunities.....

@bjturon 13 дней назад

End of the Century?

@Sevenfeet0 13 дней назад

An interesting video....some of your points were good and others fell short. I know you are generally cold to battery electric locomotives, but you make the assumption that current BE Loco technology will be the same five years from now or more importantly 20 years from now. There is a lot of work going on with battery chemistry and it's certainly possible that battery tech for cars will diverge from trains or other applications for a number of reasons. I'd check out the "Undecided" RU-vid channel which has spent a lot of time investigating newer battery tech than is currently on the market today, be it solid state, aluminum or other forms. Energy density, chemical stability, difficulty in manufacturing are all variables on the table that may be different that car needs or semi trucks. It's like going back to 1928 and thinking that the brand new diesel electric locomotives that were so anemic that they were only good for yard duty would be the be all end all of diesel tech. 32 years later, steam power had vanished from American rail networks because diesel got better. Also, its pretty much established that BEV cars have fewer maintenance issues versus like ICE cars due to lack of complexity of moving parts. A similar hypothesis can be made for BE locomotives when you don't need a prime mover to maintain. I agree that catenary power delivery is ideal in most cases, but you have massive infrastructure construction issues when you get out to the western states. In many places, there just isn't the electrical infrastructure to do catenary properly without significant investment. Is it possible? Sure. Will cantenary have its own maintenance challenges? Absolutely (but its well understood). Hydrogen fuel cell locomotives are an interesting wild card. Personally I'm happy to see all these possibilities tested in the real world. It may be the future...or a technological dead end. We won't know until we try it.

@jackthegiantkiller388 12 дней назад

who will pay out there

@warreninc.9485 12 дней назад

Good luck

@MTE610 13 дней назад

maby California should just ban cars in general, just give electric cars to Law inforcemnt, EMS, and fire departments, and use electric or Biofuel busses.problem solved

@HitPoint110 12 дней назад

Boo diesels are so much better than shitty 0 emissions

@osmanhossain676 13 дней назад

No hyperloop.😢

@stickynorth 14 дней назад

Hybrid engines are needlessly complicated and wasteful.

@CSXfan618 13 дней назад

Wabtec and Progress Rail are working on zero-emission locomotive designs.

@c.d.porter9366 14 дней назад

It's all a cynical slight of hand that because the ecological damage is hidden or moved to other areas.

@MichaelfromtheGraves 13 дней назад

Just put up wires

@T128Productions 8 дней назад

And then what, having a double stacked freight train ramming into the wires?

@SalmanMentos 13 дней назад

I think battery power is pretty dцмb because 1. Companies underpays the miners in some random 3rd world countries for like lithium and stuff 2. It looks hideous, it has that wierd akward bulge like its trying to be a cowl unit 3. They need recharging, if a tesla car takes like an hour to charge. these locomotives probably spend days recharging 4. What if your locomotives suddently shut down because of low battery precentage? Yes i think there would be a warning for low batteries but me personally i always skip the low battery warning on my phone

@badkittynomilktonight3334 7 дней назад

Just go to overhead electric. It works all over the world.

@Mentor_Ohio_Railfanning 13 дней назад

boo🥱 stupid designs keep emissions

@T128Productions 8 дней назад

Yeah, low emissions are still better than none. I mean, who would want to listen to an artificial engine sound (like a V8) instead of a REAL engine? It won’t be the same! As a Californian, I don’t like where this is going.

@jwrailve3615 8 дней назад

Diesel and coal powered should be the only option. 😂 Cali is a trash state before you know it they’ll only allow one rail car be pulled at a time for “conservation”