There is nothing so complicated. You can't be the first or alpha if you are the son. Because the son indicate the second in existence. Also, if you are eternal, then what is the point of sacrificing yourself, since you can't die. Also praying to yourself before the dawn of your own execution? Absolute NONSENSE. And this: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani" ( Check out for the meaning in Psalm 22:1 ) How can you say such thing to yourself? "The one who send me" how can anyone talk stupid thing like that, if he is the same person who send himself? Another example: John 48:50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. If you read through trinity's perspective, it would appear, "I am not seeking glory for myself; but I am the one who seek it, and I am the Judge." Does this saying make any sense to anyone? There are countless Jesus sayings become nonsense if you try to force read Trinity into them.
How can god have free will if he's omniscient? Seriously, If god is omniscient then how can he possibly be omnipotent? If god knew exactly what he was going to do and exactly what was going to play out and exactly how he was going to respond, then how would he have any choice? How would he have any power to do anything if it was already predetermined? Me somehow suspects this god is impossible by its own definitions... So, I have no idea why people argue even this Jesus nonsense.
Good work brotha! The Bible says there are some things that God keeps from His creation in secret. He is also transcendent yet imminent. Meaning He is outside of and before what He created, yet He is actively involved with us 🙌 Our little brains won’t ever be able to comprehend His abilities because we’re limited by our inherent sin in this mortal life.
Amen, brother! and thank you! We have many things to look forward to! 🙌 I hope the men's group went well tonight - sorry I couldn't make it. We need to catch up soon!
Secret? Or lost messages? Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Yet the same allowed these churches to fragment into 45,000 denominations with different views on the same God? Wow. Maybe this is your copium for not wanting to go to clear truth.
Excellent defense of our Lord's diety. A child could read a book about how to ride a bicycle. I do not know any children who have learned to ride a bicycle by reading a book. You may get some help along the way by a guiding hand but you learn by having the courage to do it. A child will not understand what it is like to ride a bicycle until they experience it. Reading a book about it or having it explained to you is not the same. As a child of God I can not understand or explain God. It is too high for me. I experienced His presence and calling me. I felt the guilt and shame of being a sinner before His holiness. I then trusted in Jesus and what He did for me on the cross. I received His Love and forgiveness. I became a child of God.
Beautiful description of what it means to be a child of God! You could also think of how photos of nature don't do justice to the actual experience of being there in the moment - no matter how great the camera. You have to experience it. Thanks for sharing! 🙏
I kind of like more the Christian Gnostic point of view where the god YHWH is the God of all material universe aka Demiurge (also can be seen as the ancient god Abraxas). And above him is the God of eternal light where all Etheric comes from. I agree that Jesus was the Christ but his teachings have been lost to a more exoteric point of view.
Keep in mind that 'Gods thoughts are higher than our thoughts'. This doesn't mean that his teaching have been lost to a exoteric point of view. It means that there are infinite layers, lessons, and meaning behind his teaching. Though that infinity is bounded. So in short Jesus claimed to be God, the Son of God, and that God's Holy Spirit is God as well. Similar to how every human has a soul and body. You are more than one part, God is more than one part.
Jesus sacrificed himself because sin requires punishment. Because God is the judge you can have your sins atoned for. But it would need to be the perfect sacrifices. There is nothing man can do to redeemed themselves for all the evil we have done. So to answer your questions Jesus presented himself as a sacrifice for your sin. Similar to how a fine can be paid and someone does not have to receive their due penalty.
@@gianmarcosalerno1942 You do not understand. If Jesus WAS God - he made no sacrifice. God does not fear death, God does not fear pain, God cannot be tempted into doubting himself. The crucifixion changes from a tale of a MAN making the ultimate sacrifice - to God playing charades. It hit me from a story from the Central American wars - liberation theology priest & communist being executed together. Priest consoles communist with tales of paradise, as why death holds no fear. Communist says that he does not believe in the after-life. Priest asks why he took such risk with no hope of reward. 'For my brothers, I could do no other.' One traded for better, the other gave EVERYTHING he could ever have. Who made the true sacrifice?
@@imankhandaker6103 Jesus was God in human form. So he experienced everything a human has, the way a human does. Jesus himself admits that he couldn't have done anything without the Father. Jesus followed the spirit that give him instruction. You told the story of the communist and the priest then asked who made the true sacrifice. . Who's truth is correct? Is there an after life in that story or not? Cause if Communist is wrong and there is an after life then the Communist is going to seriously regret his decision. There is no tolerable level of hell. If the Priest is wrong then nothing else happens to him. I would say they were both just as unselfish as the other, laying down this life for others. Which is a serious act of love. To which I commend them both. You could change that story to sound something like this, one cop has a good life and another cop as a horrible life with no family. They both die in a shootout trying to save someone. Who was the better cop? They both were good cops, its just that one had a happy life and the other had nothing.
@@gianmarcosalerno1942 God in human form is GOD. In the same way a man in drag, is a MAN no matter how feminine in form. These are meaningless word games to hide the paradoxical. God is all knowing & all powerful - is he powerful enough to make himself forget that he is all-knowing? You KNOW you have gone wrong somewhere when you find yourself asking such questions.
No Jesus was infinite. Jesus had full access to his infinite power even during the incarnation as human. In actuality Jesus was humanoid meaning he took a human body but his spirit which he “placed” in that body still contained the essence of infinity. God has not form or size initially so it’s not like he is physically large because he is immaterial. So his essence was infinite still but he placed his soul or conscious in that body which is just a tool. His omnipresence has to do with his essence in that it’s a capability of God to interact and be aware of every place and part of reality but he doesn’t have his material or substance in all areas and is stuck like that. He is simply a unified spirit. That’s how he can both be infinite and in human form. We don’t have the infinite essence so we are finite but it has nothing to do with a physical largeness.
LOOOOL omg, the fact that you have to write an entire metaphysics essay in attempt to defend delusion is hilarious. Especially! When you have no biblical bases to back it up. Show me anywhere in your scriptures, Old or New, where even a ¼th of this is made claim to. 😂 Just come to Islam brother. Quran tells you exactly what God is: Surat Al-Ikhlas - Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
God sacrificed himself to redeem mankind. So long as evil and sin exists he is angry. So he never appeased his own anger. The same way anyones anger can never be permanently appeased. So long as people continue to wrong you, you continue to be upset about it. Feel free to ask any questions.
@gianmarcosalerno1942 so much for a loving father. His anger is clearly greater that his love, forgiveness and compassion. Also, he did sacrifice himself to himself.
Your claim is your god can't control himself. To the point of commiting suicide. Even then... He still has no contentment. Wow. He's meant to be 'Almighty' but gets so angry at his creation he loses it? What about the old testament? Psalm 103: 8-12 ⁸The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love. 9 He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever; 10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. 11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him; 12 as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us. Just come to Islam man.. God is waiting for you
@@gianmarcosalerno1942you're equating people to God? Madnes... "same way" smh... God is preached by some you as unbound with love. Your Jesus claimed to even love criminals as your neighbour. What are espousals based on? I swear I never hear any christian place the stances based on scripture.. corruption erodes.
@@SavedSkeptic I mean the whole infinite God finite Jesus thing in the beginning. It seems nonsensical because of course God can be both a finite thing and the infinite thing the finite thing inhabits. Again, I'm not religious. I was raised in a Lutheran church and parted ways in my teenage years. I just hear a lot of arguments that attack Christianity that don't really make sense. People trying to apply hard mathematical logic to a spiritual text... idk, it's just as silly to me as people arguing which fictional character would win in a fight using maths
@@SJNaka101 people get pretty heated up in these arguments and it’s probably because there’s a lot of emotion tied up into their stance. Even though we disagree on God, you seem pretty level headed in your approach to these arguments. Thanks for watching!
Come to Islam. At home with logic, birthers of impericism (look it up) with a clear and proven path to the one true God. But as this guy says. You seem level headed. So i'd rather you engage with a path to salvation that actually makes sense.
Simplicity my friend. My prayers are with you. Father, son and Holy Ghost are the one God. The creator. Born of a women died and raised from the death and ascended into heaven in front of a multitude .......Eyewitnesses.
there are 10 anti-Christian writers at the time of the crucifixion that detailed the event and the resurrection, Even the Koran says the bible is faultless.@@henrykamwenje4138
Woh~ a lot of jumping and summersaulting and waffling on with vague texts and idiotic interpretations to make all these contradictions and paradoxes make sense. I think you'll find the best explanation is that you're all way off and wrong and none of this poppycock nonsense exists at all and you are all fighting over myths and fables no more real than Zeus or Ra or Ahura Mazda or unicorns and leprechauns. It's kinda like those fans of bad movies who argue over which of their theories best fits the terrible plot holes.
