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How Cash Bail Undermines the Promise of Equal Treatment Under the Law 

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Taken from JRE #1521 w/Josh Dubin and Jason Flom • Joe Rogan Experience #...

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@Kimera_Alternate_Realities
@Kimera_Alternate_Realities 3 года назад
"We need to vote for the same people that caused this problem for the last 60 years". -Current politicians.
@dean7673
@dean7673 3 года назад
What are you trying to say tho
@stuartdriedger9989
@stuartdriedger9989 3 года назад
#trump2020 then i guess right 😒
@baileypratt185
@baileypratt185 3 года назад
TRUMP 2020! Red Wave! Vote for law and order, good ideals and for a prosperous America!
@dean7673
@dean7673 3 года назад
Almost blank true
@nickb4162
@nickb4162 3 года назад
What we need is a guy saying he’s against those guys and vote for him that’ll fix our problems
@shadowprince4482
@shadowprince4482 3 года назад
City: You can't afford to pay these fines so we're going to put you in jail which will make you lose your job unless you post bail which you also can't afford.
@Chris-dg6km
@Chris-dg6km 3 года назад
I was a passenger in a car, was getting a ride after a night of drinking back to my house. Cops pulled the 3 of us over and the driver had weed on him. All 3 people were charged with the same crimes. They set our bonds at $25,000. The other 2 guys bonded out with lawyers after their bail was dropped to $2,500. I spent 48 days in jail with a $25,000 bond because I refused to spend a dime. Luckily the Jail administrator was former 4th Group Special Forces and made me a trustee because of my military service, 3 days later all charges were dismissed and I was released. Those other 2 acted like I was the lucky 1 because I didn't spend a dime and they both spent $15,000 and dealt with the courts for 6 months and the other almost a year. I was in college using my G.I. bill and had to pay back those 6-7 weeks I set in jail to the school which was still less than those 2 spent. I never went back to school and started welding. I will never trust the system and will always know the courts tried to fleece me for money even though they had no case on me the whole time 🤷‍♂️
@gamingscotsmanOG
@gamingscotsmanOG 3 года назад
Should pay your damb bills then.
@benwatson5787
@benwatson5787 3 года назад
@@gamingscotsmanOG because no one in the history of mankind has ever had financial issues?
@Chris-dg6km
@Chris-dg6km 3 года назад
@@gamingscotsmanOG Civil asset forfeiture, cops take all of your money and need no proof or guilt. So yeah bro pay your god damn bills but also remember the long arm of the state empties your bank account. Hell my state has the ability to steal any money found on a prepaid debit card and they take it while they have you stopped for a citation and if you don't prove the money isn't drug money or stolen they keep it.
@tashaelsnau104
@tashaelsnau104 3 года назад
@@gamingscotsmanOG uh it's not a bill. I agree everyone should pay bills. What we're talking about isn't a bill, it's fines that can change depending on the judge or lawyer, not just the charge but the fine amount as well. Many end up in a weird circle jerk. Go to jail because they can't afford fines or bail, lose job, rack up higher fines for going to jail, get out, no one hires you because of the jail, can't pay fines, go back to jail and it keeps going
@jamiejackson492
@jamiejackson492 3 года назад
In Montgomery Alabama they used to do that two or three times a year. "The roundups" would happened and last about a week. The city would issue warrants for unpaid traffic tickets. When I was 19 they came and took me to Montgomery City jail on a Friday afternoon. I thought I had already paid my tickets. (I had). But- If you forgot to pay, or maybe even did pay your tickets, and something gets lost in the transaction- It seems the police would/should/must send Warning Mail. Ya know a warning statement that you are to pay your tickets or they will issue a warrant arrest you and take you to s****y city jail. With my one phone call which I didn't get until Saturday morning at 2 a.m. I asked my mother to go by my house and to get the ticket receipts. She did. Once in jail I was happy to see a friend. (ikr). He told me that he had his receipts. They were in his car when he was arrested. He even showed the arresting officer, but officer didn't care. Somebody f***** up. A few people had to of f***** up Wasn't me. Wasn't my jail friend. 3 nights later....Mom showed up at my arraignment Monday morning, I was able to show proof of payment to the judge, and they released me immediately. The other guy got f****d thought. Because he was driving when he got arrested his car was impounded. He did not have any money and he did not have anybody to help him out. When the guy told the judge that he had the receipts in his car the judge told him everybody always has their receipts just not with them which I thought was a dick move because I had my receipts. End of the story is the guy ended up spending two and a half months in jail could, not afford to get his car out of the impound. However he was able to get copies from the police station where he paid for the tickets. Which just goes to show the lack of communication between the station and the courts. I did see him a year after all of that and he told me that he was trying to get a lawsuit against the city for time spent in jail and the value of his car. Oh yeah they auctioned off his car. I wish I had kept in touch to find out what happened. Now if I had to bet on that outcome, I bet he got f*****.
@rachaeldeel8325
@rachaeldeel8325 3 года назад
I know man. It's such bs. I hope he got his lawsuit, but you know as well as I that if he didn't have some $ to spend, the courts would make sure to drag that out as long as possible. So they can get that court costs and money, over and over again. Glad you got out, that's terrible and this s#@$ needs to stop. But you heard him say it: a multi billion dollar industry. They're not going to fix it.
@phillipthorbjrnsen7865
@phillipthorbjrnsen7865 3 года назад
Thats kidnaping!? The states is a bloody terrifying Place...
@julianzuniga8905
@julianzuniga8905 3 года назад
@@phillipthorbjrnsen7865 it kinda is. More so for citizens themselves than foreigners visiting
@Runescape99
@Runescape99 3 года назад
It wont stop until we hang the politicians and bankers.
@rachaeldeel8325
@rachaeldeel8325 3 года назад
@@phillipthorbjrnsen7865 you are exactly correct. They just do whatever they want. Guilty until proven innocent. And in his case he had the proof with him. It's all about money. The bondsmen, court, and state just want money money money. Everything is about the money. People don't matter.
@SaintSimonsSportsman
@SaintSimonsSportsman Год назад
Ironic, with 20/20 vision, he mentions San Francisco is leading the way considering cashless bail had ruined San Francisco.
@clinttheboss2117
@clinttheboss2117 3 года назад
I did 3 months for a misdemeanor charge that was ultimately dropped. They wrote it up as a felony and gave me a $30,000 bond. A woman from 5 miles down the road was arrested for shooting and killing her boyfriend and her bond was 25,000. They changed the charge after about a week, but wouldn't lower the bond. Had never been in trouble and did 3 months, deprived of my medicines to eventually have everything dropped since I didn't actually break the law. They also blacked both eyes, broke my nose, a rib, and my two front teeth. I had always supported police, but it was made clear that they don't care what the truth is. We are all just dogs at the pound.
@cadelltaylor9870
@cadelltaylor9870 Год назад
I think your lying what was your charge
@cl1cka
@cl1cka Год назад
@@cadelltaylor9870 By your sentence that made no grammatical sense - you can't really think.....
@erisgh0sted961
@erisgh0sted961 Год назад
Sounds like a pretty typical experience with the police by someone who isn't rich.
@robscott3920
@robscott3920 Год назад
Interesting that this is what it took to clarify the situation for you. By all means, stay out of the pound dumbass.
@cjjernigan3276
@cjjernigan3276 Год назад
Im sorry man ive been a victim of same shit multiple times. Noone even believes it till it happens to them the most fustrating thing ever
@flavho
@flavho 3 года назад
Joe Rogan found Ray Romano lost brother
@matthewengland6428
@matthewengland6428 3 года назад
Coming here to post the same thing. Take this thumbs up
@SatchithHarve
@SatchithHarve 3 года назад
@@matthewengland6428 you and me both haha
@JustinCaudill14
@JustinCaudill14 3 года назад
Holy Shit!! Spot on my friend
@astuteandy
@astuteandy 3 года назад
@Jay Arre no u
@mrwoody1413
@mrwoody1413 3 года назад
Jay Arre grow up
@sheriffofrockridge9095
@sheriffofrockridge9095 3 года назад
The jail where I was happened to be the third most profitable “ business “ in the county only to Apple and Amazon according to the county police officer. That should be illegal
@amkelle2
@amkelle2 3 года назад
Sheriff of Rock Ridge Yes, privatizing prison doesn’t seem right. But on the flip side of that coin, it’s not the prisons putting people there, it’s the local sheriff, and the politicians making the laws. We need to address the rot in those systems that is keeping the prisons full
@kenningosh1447
@kenningosh1447 3 года назад
Andrew Keller For Profit Prisons are spending millions on elections and politicians to change laws to put more people in jail or keep the status quo.
@amkelle2
@amkelle2 3 года назад
Kenning Osh Yeah, so it’s the politicians, not the prisons
@kristywoodward910
@kristywoodward910 3 года назад
It is horrible how jail is big business:(
@scottyfiveo1
@scottyfiveo1 3 года назад
I did 40 months in state prison for non violent drug offenses. The judge wouldn't even give me a bond. The system is set up for the average person to always lose.
@scottyfiveo1
@scottyfiveo1 3 года назад
@Steve Rusakiewicz no dumb ass. It was different offenses on the same case
@etiennescarbinski7890
@etiennescarbinski7890 3 года назад
Are drugs illegal in your State?
@scottyfiveo1
@scottyfiveo1 3 года назад
@@etiennescarbinski7890 They sure are. But the same day I got sentenced there was another person there who was sentenced for aggravated child molestation who got 1 more year than me. So the justice system is pretty fucked up to say the least.
@davestuddaman8127
@davestuddaman8127 3 года назад
Was that the judge's decision? The length of his sentence
@scottyfiveo1
@scottyfiveo1 3 года назад
@@davestuddaman8127 Yes and no. There are mandatory minimum and maximum sentences the judges have to abide by. I was caught with drugs and money the other guy repeatedly raped a little boy over the course of 10 days and was given a bond and was a free man until the day he was sentenced. I on the other hand was in county jail for a year and a half until the day a went to court to get sentenced.
@emanate0
@emanate0 3 года назад
the justice system is becoming more and more a shakedown then anything else
@davedrucker8397
@davedrucker8397 3 года назад
My good family friend was thrown in jail for unpaid fines. He ended up in a "suicide prevention chair" because he was autistic and crying for his mommy. He died in that chair in less than 24 hours later. This happened at the columbia county prison in pennsylvania. Rip Tyler Evans #JUSTICEFORTYLEREVANS
@rachaeldeel8325
@rachaeldeel8325 3 года назад
That is so sad. I hope there will be some kind of justice. The officers should have better training. This is just so tragic. I'm sorry to hear about your friend.
@lisa-shitsakwibjnie
@lisa-shitsakwibjnie 3 года назад
And.... now the streets are full of criminals and crime is at an all time high because bail is gone.
@jameekross9164
@jameekross9164 3 года назад
This opinion is dangerous. You stop the conversation by making such broad statements. In reality the system needs a series of overhauls that effectively coincide with one another, versus half ass-ing it and doing pseudo reform. If you abolish cash bail without implementing mandatory rehabilitation clauses for those with substance abuse for example, then yes, you’ll have a bunch of addicts running the streets in and out. The system needs a sweep and you are being irresponsible by stoping the conversation via critiquing one facet of that sweep. Advocate for more.
@wiseauserious8750
@wiseauserious8750 3 года назад
There needs to be a delineation between someone with unpaid traffic tickets and someone who kicked the s*** out of someone or stole a car
@lisa-shitsakwibjnie
@lisa-shitsakwibjnie 3 года назад
@@wiseauserious8750 well, last time I got in a wreck, I only had to pay $150 fine. I doubt someone who robs a place has that little of fine.
@lisa-shitsakwibjnie
@lisa-shitsakwibjnie 3 года назад
@@jameekross9164 so, someone like me who doesn't want rapist and murderers on the streets is a bad thing?
@moralrelativity1969
@moralrelativity1969 3 года назад
Nope. Crime is high because the system is rigged
@creigmacc
@creigmacc 3 года назад
All the victims of no bail, free and easy release practices thank you for thinking of them. Long live the freedom to commit many crimes in a day.
@Zensor0815
@Zensor0815 3 года назад
Yeah and the victims of people who can afford the bail... Not a good argument
@chilling_at_pontiff
@chilling_at_pontiff 3 года назад
Watch two rich people explain to each other what poor people already know Money gets you out of jail plain and simple
@stringer2295
@stringer2295 3 года назад
Jan Tillmn it’s going to suck when you have to leave your perfect bubble
@masonb9788
@masonb9788 3 года назад
Jan Tillmn oh I forgot. Being poor is a moral failing. Thanks for the reminder.
@Spookykidshow
@Spookykidshow 3 года назад
Awww the poorers can't figure out that if you don't commit Crimes you don't go to jail?
@JohnCross71
@JohnCross71 3 года назад
@Steve Rusakiewicz lmao that's not even close to being comparable. Poor people who commit crimes are more likely to be the leeches of society and it's better that they stay in jail. People who can pay the bail have a career, money saved up and are much less likely to commit crimes again.
@prestonbrady6925
@prestonbrady6925 3 года назад
Jan Tillmn did you not watch the clip your commenting under? “80% of people in jail are people awaiting trial” because they can’t pay bail.
@johnrumpf6014
@johnrumpf6014 3 года назад
I had a judge tell me that he thought "the officer could do no wrong" with that official fact I could be nothing but guilty.
@tremekak
@tremekak 3 года назад
That is in fact what ppl are told daily in court rooms
@cotywarwick3100
@cotywarwick3100 2 года назад
That’s when any decent Lawyer would of put in for a new unbiased judge
@0ddSavant
@0ddSavant Год назад
You realize the judge who just said that is the very same judge who would respond to an attorney’s request for recusal? Judges refuse to recuse themselves all the time. It’s sometimes remanded for a new trial on appeal, but that’s *years* down the line. You ain’t making anything happen today. 96% of cases accept plea bargains [Plead guilty]. The 4% that go to trial occupy 80+% of prosecutor’s time in court. The justice system is clogged and overcrowded just handling 4% of cases - there’s basically no chance a judge is going to remotely entertain admitting his bias and handing his caseload off to another judge while also opening the door to judicial review of his past cases. Also also, it’s a pretty miserable defense attorney [Prosecutors see the same judge way too often to risk offending one like this] who would offending the judge’s ego and potentially torching this and all future clients, just to make a show of the judge’s bias. It would really suck if you were that attorneys next client in front of that judge. You’d be guilty by association even if you had done no wrong. TL;DR - You’re applying thought and logic to an inherently broken system. I applaud your decency, but please understand the system has no such decency, nor anything but a brutal desire to keep existing as it currently does: feeding on the guilty and not-guilty [There is no finding of “innocent” in the US system] alike. Cheers!
@ricardososa1761
@ricardososa1761 3 года назад
It’s all about money the system doesn’t care who it affects
@Fmannnn
@Fmannnn 3 года назад
Why it should never of been privatized
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 3 года назад
@Stephanie S that's what Epstein thought as well
@nickb4162
@nickb4162 3 года назад
Epstein didn’t pay off the right people
@LuxuryBeatsMusic
@LuxuryBeatsMusic 3 года назад
@@nickb4162 or maybe he paid off the right people to make the 99% of the world believe he's "dead" - just a thought
@gagefraw3182
@gagefraw3182 3 года назад
Cash bail is the biggest socioeconomic sinkhole in America today.
@vanimaladventures
@vanimaladventures 3 года назад
@csknives2140 it must be great being born white and free from any systematic racial oppression.
@joejoezuniga231
@joejoezuniga231 3 года назад
Yeah and NYC is such a utopia now.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 3 года назад
Yea bail reform is so helpful in NYC the stay less than 6 hours are back on the streets doing more damages a ok
@Van420Dal
@Van420Dal 3 года назад
I bet you you've never been to New York City. also saying that the crime rate Rose because of the lack of a bail system is complete bullshit in there is a large amount of hard evidence against that statement.
@GARGaddisAquariumsandReptiles
@GARGaddisAquariumsandReptiles 3 года назад
@@Van420Dal There is also alot of hard evidence to back it up, look into the nypd statics on repeat offenders in the time since it was implemented. what are your sources for this lots of evidence to support that its bullshit.
@GARGaddisAquariumsandReptiles
@GARGaddisAquariumsandReptiles 3 года назад
@James Prime im talking all elements, there are other ways to travel than driving with a suspended license, several places to help with drug addiction and mental illness, if you dont want to chance losing your job by being in jail then dont do the crimes. I have been to jail a few times and had to sit till trial for little weed charges and even a suspended license. I committed the crime so i had no one to blame the situation on but myself. People no matter the color or wealth need to take responsibility for their actions.
@masonb9788
@masonb9788 3 года назад
GAR - Graphic Aquatics and Reptiles you clearly don’t understand how completely fucked our mental health system is for the poor.
@ShaneMcGrath.
@ShaneMcGrath. 3 года назад
It doesn't stop there, The whole court system is just another business. Not sure they want to stop people committing crimes, They would be out of a job!
@deelowe3
@deelowe3 3 года назад
In every town I've been to, the court house is the nicest government building in the city.
@mjbug1435
@mjbug1435 3 года назад
The amount of human potential lost...
@jarettmcdonald349
@jarettmcdonald349 3 года назад
I’ve been to jail, not too much is lost
@everydayamerican6520
@everydayamerican6520 3 года назад
The amount of resources saved
@1000brother
@1000brother 3 года назад
Funny he doesn’t mention the violent offenders that are being released freely.
@reddeep5983
@reddeep5983 3 года назад
I don’t disagree with you all but to point out a fact he was talking about misdemeanors and petty crimes. You are 100% right he never spoke on those people because they should not be included, violent crimes you do the time. That should be the new thing
@meatrocket1
@meatrocket1 3 года назад
Especially in Chicago
@officialbusaboi4086
@officialbusaboi4086 3 года назад
@@reddeep5983 a majority of violent crimes are still misdemeanors. Including domestic assault and battery which is a small misdemeanor that people will bond out near immediately
@MikeyDaRed
@MikeyDaRed 2 года назад
Why mention them if they aren’t who should be free to begin with idiot.
@armandohenriqueramosminucc4749
@armandohenriqueramosminucc4749 3 года назад
Please , have Thomas Sowell on your show.
@isaacbell3120
@isaacbell3120 3 года назад
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@cjm7685
@cjm7685 3 года назад
Yesssss!!!!!!
@sundin57
@sundin57 3 года назад
YES, and Larry Elder too!
@urbanredneck9876
@urbanredneck9876 3 года назад
When I was 17 years old I got arrested for curfew violation and locked up as an adult overnight taking a court in the morning and given a choice to pay a fine or do 10 days in jail for being a minor out too late! Who might I be and where might I been able to get in life if that hadn't happened. Side note I was with other people and I was the oldest everybody else got taken home that night I went to jail My argument in court the next morning was how am I standing in an adult Court for being a curfew violation?
@suspecto6281
@suspecto6281 3 года назад
Private prisons and mandatory minimum sentences need to be erased from society.
@patrickday4206
@patrickday4206 Год назад
Prison at all unless you are a danger to society ankle brackets probation and fines/Community service nobody should be in jail pointlessly
@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005
@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005 3 года назад
It also stops criminals from running rampant like they do in NY. The amount of bail doesn't matter, it matters whether or not you have a good enough attorney.
@johnnyjohnson5344
@johnnyjohnson5344 3 года назад
@jay bird when has a 100,000 dollar bail for drunk driving ever occured.
@ChocolateEffigy
@ChocolateEffigy 3 года назад
@@johnnyjohnson5344 plenty. Step outside for once.
@johnnyjohnson5344
@johnnyjohnson5344 3 года назад
@jay bird the average bail for a DUI is 500 my guy. And it could go all the way up 50,000 dollars depending how lengthy ur criminal record is. So w all that said. Your way off the mark.
@ChocolateEffigy
@ChocolateEffigy 3 года назад
So are we just ignoring facts now? That doesn't stop anything. If they get out it'll happen eventually anyway. Its all about money.
@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005
@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005 3 года назад
@jay bird Then that sucks and its unfortunate for you and you can sue if you didn't do the crime, the good that cash bail does FAR outweighs the negatives, the issue is the corrections system is intended to punish everyone instead of helping reform some and punish those who actually deseve it, nobody should be allowed to shoplift 3 plus times in 1 day just because poor people who commit crimes can't afford bail.
@Bob-lr2xp
@Bob-lr2xp 3 года назад
Getting rid of cash bail in Jersey had a terrible unforeseen consequence, unnecessary long jail times while waiting for your trial. This happened to someone I know. He lives in Indiana, but was traveling to Jersey for the weekend to do something. He got pulled over and arrested for some minor shit involving his vehicle. Instead of paying for bail and dealing with his court date later, he ended up being stuck in jail for over a month hundreds of miles from his two kids. It was a nightmare not being able to go to work or take care of his kids.
@youdontknowme5581
@youdontknowme5581 3 года назад
So then you let them go until their trial. if they skip out on the trial and are caught again later, they are considered guilty and face the jail time. Sounds like an easy and simple solution. Of course you dont let the accused serial murderer out, maybe even restrict it to felonies. Idk but anything is better than our current system.
@Dylang01
@Dylang01 3 года назад
Sounds like the issue is the fact he wasn't given bail. Not that cash bail didn't exit. That situation and the situation this video are talking about are two separate issues.
@1SquidBoy
@1SquidBoy 3 года назад
​@John Bailey The fact of the matter is that you can have bail and still abolish cash bail.
@ENikolaev
@ENikolaev 3 года назад
Squid ppl still gonna find a way to bitch if it’s a credit system then cause they couldn’t make a car payment/loan they shouldn’t have taken out in the first place. And somehow that’ll be racist too, right😂
@robertf976
@robertf976 3 года назад
There has to be more to the story. Within 24 hours you have cjp hearing. If not realeased then within 72 hours you have a detention hearing. If not domestic violence or violent crime you will be released. Something not right with your story
@clashmasterx3253
@clashmasterx3253 3 года назад
I get what he’s saying but you can’t just let people go when they don’t pay fines, then no one will
@jacobq.2204
@jacobq.2204 3 года назад
They arrest the same people in New York every single night. The criminals don’t care, they aren’t paying the fines. It’s more lucrative to just keep committing crimes getting caught sometimes and being released Over and over. It’s stupidity on the state to constantly doing this over and over.
@Garrus1995
@Garrus1995 3 года назад
Sure, but maybe we can rethink how we handle those situations. I don’t think someone should necessarily go to prison for not paying a fine, especially if they’re in a tough economic position. We don’t need to treat someone who has yet to pay a fine like they’re some hardcore criminal.
@Spookykidshow
@Spookykidshow 3 года назад
@Abra Cadabra in the UK you also arrest people who teach their pugs jokes. The UK also doesn't have fundamental human rights. We don't want to be like Europe you guys are falling apart and loosing your culture so fast that in 20 years the UK will not even remotely be the same country it is today.
@einkartoffel
@einkartoffel 3 года назад
@@Spookykidshow yeah lot of people wanting to leave UK because of the rampant corruption and abhorrent political practices in last year alone lol
@Spookykidshow
@Spookykidshow 3 года назад
@@einkartoffel same thing is happening in the u.s. On the west coast Oregon, Washington, California, people are moving to more free states because the west coast has no intention of lifting lockdowns unless Joe Biden is elected. I find it interesting china can contain their virus inside of their country but they let it spread throughout the entire world. A country that is exterminating a group of it's own people and using biological warfare on a global level needs to be destroyed. God help us all
@balancingscales1339
@balancingscales1339 3 года назад
Thank you. Thank you Joe for having this conversation. Thank you Josh abd Jason for understanding. I’m a small town Montana single mother who has experienced EXACTLY what you spoke of. Suspended license due to fines. Fines were for minor traffic violations that I actually paid and have records of payment, yet the court will not review because they want more money. This is oppressive and illegal. I’ve reached out to multiple attorneys, hoping that they might take my case pro bono. Unfortunately, what I’ve realized is there just isn’t any money in it. Education and awareness are the first step to freedom for every individual. I still have faith in justice. I’m just not sure where/ how to find it.
@deadsypadilla
@deadsypadilla 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dFF_L_OS7IY.html America? Poland is better
@patrickday4206
@patrickday4206 Год назад
I dealt with this in spokane Washington they suspended my license three different times because I couldn't pay one month refused to allow community service and then made me pay 2,000 dollars to get my license back all because I worked construction and didn't have the work it was extortion!
@GamonKills
@GamonKills 3 года назад
None of you critics have an answer for if a rich person posted bail and then went and killed someone the same day. He had the money right? That means he won't commit crimes like anyone else I guess.
@howardhughes7491
@howardhughes7491 3 года назад
So no one can go home, everyone, or a system to select individuals who aren't a risk to others? All of these systems have problems.
3 года назад
Do you have any evidence this is something that wver happens? Any evidence at all?
@erichooper2794
@erichooper2794 3 года назад
That’s a good argument for not allowing any bail and people are just to remain in jail until trial no matter what
@callanc3925
@callanc3925 3 года назад
Realistically though, a person who is a prime suspect in a high profile case who just posted bail will be under a huge spotlight. Theyd be idiots to go out and kill someone, and most rich people arent idiots
@chingdalashyashi8927
@chingdalashyashi8927 3 года назад
@@erichooper2794 if that's the case u need to separate the cells by types of crimes as well. It's fucked up someone with a suspended license gets locked up with a suspected murderer
@xxxmina
@xxxmina 2 года назад
What they need to do is first time arrests get cashless bail ... maybe up to 2 or 3. Or 1 free bail every 5 years. We need to punish repeat offenders and take it easy on first time offenders.
@FilmBuffBros
@FilmBuffBros 3 года назад
Too many anecdotes and not enough data.
@theophilevictoria5592
@theophilevictoria5592 3 года назад
The book is full of data, it's a talk show not a research report
@FilmBuffBros
@FilmBuffBros 3 года назад
@@theophilevictoria5592 Nevertheless too many anecdotes, such as their personal experiences watching court arraignments. Also when actual researchers, like Gad Saad, Weinstein bros, and Deborah Ho, were on JRE they easily cited their sources. It's not difficult. It only takes a few seconds. EMPIRICISM > rationale OBJECTIVITY > subjectivity
@JS-pp7ll
@JS-pp7ll 3 года назад
Watch “13” on Netflix for your data
@juliosanchez2411
@juliosanchez2411 3 года назад
It's a fucking podcast, buddy.
@maniazadi
@maniazadi 3 года назад
"actual researchers, like Gad Saad, Weinstein bros, and Deborah Ho"
@maxcoletti3102
@maxcoletti3102 3 года назад
the war on drugs needs to end
@Kqn37
@Kqn37 Год назад
Yes. And start the war on drug addicts. In tired of the crime. Time for some responsibility.
@MuddyPuttersDG
@MuddyPuttersDG 3 года назад
Sharnell should have paid her bills!!!!! Or not EARNED the ticket that got her in to this!! Personal. Accountability!!!!!!!!! Sharnell Mitchell’s problems are Sharnell Mitchell’s fault.
@PrivatelyHanging
@PrivatelyHanging 3 года назад
The insane ideology to put so much authority to the state for driving licensure and requirements has destroyed the whole principle of an inherent right of modern day movement. Not being able to travel for basics things like work or needs is a huge constitutional violation and doesn't get brought up.
@lucasrizor3251
@lucasrizor3251 3 года назад
Yeah, but getting rid of bail leads to situations like in NYC where someone gets released and then commits shootings.
@theidiotfromla
@theidiotfromla 3 года назад
That doesn’t happen often. Violent offenders aren’t supposed to be let out with cashless bail. At least her in Cali
@johnbunceiii2668
@johnbunceiii2668 3 года назад
It leads to an increase in crime in general. The amount of petit/felony theft that's occurred in my area since bail reform laws were passed has increased dramatically.
@lucasrizor3251
@lucasrizor3251 3 года назад
theidiotfromla in NYC 20% of felony non-bail eligible criminals were arrested Atleast once after their release. www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p0710a/bail-reform
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 3 года назад
I agree in NYC and California releasing criminals and sex offender's with long history of violence within less than 6 hours while first time offenders and people going to work get arrested for trying to work
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 3 года назад
@@theidiotfromla in California breaking into someone's house is a non violent crime stealing under $750-$900 is a non violent crime Grand theft auto Is a non violent crime doing any crime except injuring a person In California is a non violent crime apparently while California claims they have no crime
@alexgomez7163
@alexgomez7163 3 года назад
Hear that several years waiting for trial those several years alone can be a sentence
@DennisFeinsteinCEO
@DennisFeinsteinCEO Год назад
I'm from Georgia and I PROMISE you... When you go in front of that judge, it doesn't matter if you're black, white, or green... They're going to baptize you all equally... Been there, done that more times than I'd care to admit.
@mikek4043
@mikek4043 3 года назад
Ummmm Don't commit a crime, you don't have to worry about bail!
@sunsetspecials6129
@sunsetspecials6129 3 года назад
legalize weed and that won't be a problem
@Neontrifle
@Neontrifle 3 года назад
There’s a lot of innocent people sat in jail for months on end because they can’t afford bail
@michawolinski314
@michawolinski314 3 года назад
Pro tip: you can go do jail just because someone thinks that you committed crime. Jury may say 'not guilty'.
@SubForMoreMemes
@SubForMoreMemes 3 года назад
That's a discount Ray Romano
@pamelacarlin7236
@pamelacarlin7236 3 года назад
🤣😂🤣
@stevemasterson7776
@stevemasterson7776 3 года назад
Wish app everyone loves Ray
@wetimusprime3066
@wetimusprime3066 3 года назад
Clearance Ray Romano
@kenningosh1447
@kenningosh1447 3 года назад
You pathetic people are making fun of someone that has dedicated his life to free innocent people, while you losers dont are not doing shit but make fun of him.
@mikehopkins7384
@mikehopkins7384 3 года назад
Guys like this are the problem.. go tell the victims of repeat crimes from people that were let out right away with no bail
@wezross
@wezross 3 года назад
Exactly... The delusion in the clip is palpable.
@brianhouse6284
@brianhouse6284 3 года назад
This is why criminals are running wild in New York and chicago
@user-kb1hw2yq2f
@user-kb1hw2yq2f 3 года назад
They are riding the wave of "blm, white priviliage and systemic racism"
@fishsmell2570
@fishsmell2570 3 года назад
@@jp-sx1rh yes crime upsets good people. I'm sorry he's not a bad person like yourself.
@salvadormartinez3922
@salvadormartinez3922 3 года назад
They are on the outside looking in. They haven’t been victimized to truly know why there should be a bail system. Poor libs. Lets free all of them smh
@dolphin7860
@dolphin7860 3 года назад
My eyes were opened to this when I had a DUI when I was 20. Fortunately my parents are somewhat wealthy and they were able to pay all of my fines. I didn’t realize that people with NOTHING were being charged $6k and were expected to pay it off. It’s fucking disgusting what the system does to people without money. This MUST fucking stop
@everydayamerican6520
@everydayamerican6520 3 года назад
Such a high price to pay to prevent people killing other people while driving drunk. Maybe just don’t drive drunk
@T8RZTOTZ
@T8RZTOTZ 3 года назад
I was given primary custodianship of my daughter when her mother went to prison when she was two months old. Fast forward two years, and her mother gets out and wants to take my daughter to go live with her. I say let’s go to court, I was very desirous of my daughter to know her mother. This was not good enough for her. She also did not want to assume any role for child support. So in 2016 she got together with two fellow residents at a Sober Living Facility and conspired on how to turn the tables and have her as primary guardian. Domestic Violence Allegations in front of my daughter was the answer. So Sept 16, 2016 I was woken up to the loudest pounding ever on my front door. The police immediately shoved their way inside, man handled me, bloodied my nose and let me know that I was under arrest for felony domestic violence. That was horrible. Literally nothing happened that day when I took my daughter to visit her mom at a halfway house. Later that night is when the arrest happened and they fucking take my daughter into CPS custody. **** Here is where my daughter’s mother thought they would bring Lily to her but didn’t **** So I am now in Tarrant County Jail on felony charges with my daughter in CPS custody. Guess who couldn’t get out of jail? Me! I couldn’t get out to try to find and save my daughter because I had to have a GPS monitor to ensure I did not contact my daughter’s mother. Well she left that halfway house for reasons I won’t divulge yet... and when she did I had to sit and wait again until they found her and decided where she would live now that she was a “ domestic violence victim “. About a week later she admitted to making the entire thing up. Did the case go away? Nope. How about CPS? Nope. I had to pay 1800 up front for GPS only!!!!! Not to mention a 35000 bond. Then I had to attend classes for Domestic Violence, Counseling, my daughter was still with another family until this ended. Thank God they were angels sent from God, and we are still friends that attend church with one another. So I finally get out, fight the case and win my daughter back in 2017. The bond system has got to change in the United States. It is so profit based it is disgusting.
@jason_kucera
@jason_kucera 3 года назад
A lot to unpack here. I do a podcast & stories like this interest me. I’m a single dad, also. If you’d like to talk about this on the show, email me at theopeningdrivetx@gmail dot com.
@Chris-dg6km
@Chris-dg6km 3 года назад
Glad you got her back. Sorry she had to suffer our tyrannical judicial system at such a young age. I used to visit those the state orphanages and children homes with my parents when I was a kid. 20+ Years later I can remember those kids faces and the hurt in their eyes even with smiles on their faces because we had just brought bags and boxes of toys. I would play checkers or dominoes with them and had to be told to not talk about my parents or school because these kids didn't get to enjoy the love I had. I was 5 the first time we went and by the time I was 10 the State would no longer allow volunteers to visit the kids.
@T8RZTOTZ
@T8RZTOTZ 3 года назад
Also, I have had to use the bond system far too many times, and it has changed SO much in just 20 years.
@T8RZTOTZ
@T8RZTOTZ 3 года назад
@@Chris-dg6km thanks Chris. I appreciate it!
@T8RZTOTZ
@T8RZTOTZ 3 года назад
@@Chris-dg6km I spent over 200 hours volunteering my daughters first year at Head Start, and over 300 her second year. With all of my familys involvement my daughter had an amazing time at Pre K, and I too tried to give back and I will ALWAYS wonder what will become of all of those children. Thanks again.
@JRF32185
@JRF32185 3 года назад
You can keep the bail system the way it is for violent offenders while either eradicating the laws that would put someone in jail awaiting trial for non-violent offenses. We recently had a girl abducted and murdered in my state because the murderer had recently got off on bail for another violent assault and attempted abduction charge. If he had been sitting in jail waiting trial, she would still be alive.
@replynotificationsdisabled
@replynotificationsdisabled 3 года назад
The frostproof killings too
@marcusstarman1849
@marcusstarman1849 3 года назад
I want to agree with you, but letting people rot in jail while waiting for their trial is kind of shitty to do to innocent people.
@johnsbeerbreath
@johnsbeerbreath 3 года назад
The biggest thing you’re deprived of in jail or maybe the most important other than freedom is ability to organize a viable defense. So many people in jail get stuck because they can’t afford the bond and then just plead out the first chance they get because it’s the only way they can go home. So guilty or innocent they’ll do the time and plead out. It’s almost impossible to communicate with your attorney unless they come and see you which happens but it’s hard to arrange.
@MunKDaDDyy
@MunKDaDDyy 3 года назад
wow it's almost like you just watched a video of a guy saying these exact things
@elizabethmillar7347
@elizabethmillar7347 3 года назад
@@MunKDaDDyy he is just relating his experience, best e.
@orvil9223
@orvil9223 2 года назад
I was in jail for a DUI and my cellmate was a guy who had already done 16 years in prison for manslaughter, and was awaiting a trial for murder and the dude in the cell next to me had gotten in a police shootout, was hit in the leg, and was awaiting trial for that and the initial home invasion charge. I was there for 3 days until I came up with the bail to be released. It doesn't matter if jail is a possibility with misdemeanors, most of them do not get you jail time the first offense - so, putting people in jail for no bail money, on a charge that they aren't even likely to go to jail for inn the first place, is utterly ridiculous.
@astablack8812
@astablack8812 3 года назад
I cant believe these lawyers are the only ones who never represented a guilty party. Imagine that!
@anounymous123
@anounymous123 3 года назад
Yes clearly they are saying free 100% of imprisoned people. If you listen closely you can hear them say “we are anarchists”
@rachaeldeel8325
@rachaeldeel8325 3 года назад
So sad and so true. There's a lot of people who are so judgmental and unaware of how this works. Once again, thank you Joe for having these people on and informing people of what's going on. It's not REALLY about the law, it's a huge money racket. Ruins lives and it's truly heartbreaking.
@bradleyrowe2320
@bradleyrowe2320 2 года назад
I’m not really sure how it ruins lives if you wouldn’t commit the crime you wouldn’t have to worry about getting out of jail..
@taiodus3401
@taiodus3401 3 года назад
I'm from the UK why would you need bail for non serious crimes or victimless crimes?
@Phreek666
@Phreek666 3 года назад
Because many of them commit the same ‘non serious’ or ‘victimless’ crimes over and over again.
@taiodus3401
@taiodus3401 3 года назад
@@Phreek666 yes first time bail second you stay in jail.
@jakeciocco9103
@jakeciocco9103 3 года назад
Moral of the story don't break the law
@bigfootisjustreallyshy
@bigfootisjustreallyshy 3 года назад
Hahahah, really great timing with these two guys. No cash bail has clearly lifted NYC up into a state of heavenly utopia over the last few months..
@CHMichael
@CHMichael 3 года назад
Well you have to ask - are you a danger to the public - yes = jail
@MRLONG758
@MRLONG758 3 года назад
@Ralph Rodgers ideological nonsense? He literally outlines all the faults with the cash bail system and your comeback is its ideological nonsense. You shouldn't have to be behind bars simply because you're poor.
@Gr8erThan8
@Gr8erThan8 3 года назад
@@MRLONG758 shhhhhhhhh he is saying that cash bail may not be perfect, but it is necessary for a so with. He is pointing out how this is self evident given the current state of politics. If you disagree, it is incumbent on you to show it can work without ppl vomiting endless crimes.
@stevezissou1338
@stevezissou1338 3 года назад
@Ralph Rodgers Please elaborate.
@jackyou3145
@jackyou3145 3 года назад
MRLONG758 The alternative is far worse. Look at new york.
@meinking22
@meinking22 3 года назад
Many of these humanistic stories are heart tuggers for sure, except for the point that...some of the people arrested and in jails are actually 'bad' people, as recent events in Los Angeles and California are revealing. You don't have a mechanism in place to keep bad people in jail or prison, you end up with cases like what recently happened to Gavin Ludwick.
@permabulk1454
@permabulk1454 Год назад
Exactly. They’re trying to portray this fucking entire system of “pEoPLe oF cOLoR” and broke people alike that are just down on their luck when 9 times out of 10 it’s a fucking criminal doing criminal shit.. I’m not debating or denying there are legitimate cases of wrongful convictions but these guys are so full of it with a lot of this stuff. How come I’ve never been to jail? I just got lucky?
@funniedoug03
@funniedoug03 3 года назад
I live in a small rural town and I know one guy that owned a company and had money. He had 6 OVI’s in 5 years and one of them he hit a family in an Amish buggy and fled the scene, never once lost his license. If you have money in this country you can essentially get away with anything.
@thechad6218
@thechad6218 3 года назад
Without cash bail, how would you guarantee people show up to court for petty crimes? Poor people would just walk and ignore those responsibilities, then claim inability to pay.
@nesslee4394
@nesslee4394 3 года назад
This guy has never watched Dog The Bounty Hunter
@longbong32
@longbong32 3 года назад
This is the funniest Joe Rogan video clip 😂 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yVcd6YbSgBA.html
@Dylang01
@Dylang01 3 года назад
Please don't base your political opinions on reality TV shows. They're fake as shit.
@LilWhitePrivileged
@LilWhitePrivileged 3 года назад
WHO ELSE IS SICK of these apologetics for people who have done nothing but take and destroy their own communities and are responsible for the spike in violent crime as they burn our buildings?
@isaacbell3120
@isaacbell3120 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wr3IYK6nUb0.html
@LilWhitePrivileged
@LilWhitePrivileged 3 года назад
@@isaacbell3120 Europe?
@LilWhitePrivileged
@LilWhitePrivileged 3 года назад
@@isaacbell3120 We need to ratio this one.
@blitzme99
@blitzme99 3 года назад
as long as you also understand the level of Jim Crow Disenfranchisement of black voters through the use of these laws, then I can understand personal accountability.
@_SeeYouSpaceCowboy
@_SeeYouSpaceCowboy 3 года назад
Chuck don’t feed this white nationalist. Just look at his channel.
@theDanDeleon
@theDanDeleon 3 года назад
This is legit sad to watch.
@liamnugent7325
@liamnugent7325 3 года назад
Why
@NaturalHypertrophy
@NaturalHypertrophy 3 года назад
Japan: *Laughs in 20 days jail time for random arrest*
@Spider-Too-Too
@Spider-Too-Too 3 года назад
Shamur dispray
@NaturalHypertrophy
@NaturalHypertrophy 3 года назад
He is trying to upset the delicate balance that exists between criminals, the States and bounty hunters and I for one will not stand for this
@Ms.Fowlbwahhh
@Ms.Fowlbwahhh 3 года назад
This guy has no idea how much cash bails help keep criminals off the streets. Idk how it works where he lives, but most little things just have a signature bond where I live.
@user-kb1hw2yq2f
@user-kb1hw2yq2f 3 года назад
He lives in a very rich neighborhood. Look, he even admitted it himself. He gets a high out of doing this. Just think about it from a scientific point of view.
@alexmonet1370
@alexmonet1370 3 года назад
Put your credentials next to Jason Flom. Know what you get? A big fat ZERO. You're the one that has no idea.
@arod077
@arod077 3 года назад
Yeah specific criminals. Come on. You telling me the person that only had his license suspended should stay in jail until his court date?
@MatthiasVargas
@MatthiasVargas 3 года назад
Cash bails keep criminals off the streets in the same way that jailing anyone who is suspected of a crime keeps "criminals" off the streets. By definition these people haven't had a trial or been found guilty of anything yet and if you're just assuming they're criminals that deserve to be in jail without evidence being presented at a free and fair trial, you're advocating for an authoritarian justice system, BY DEFINITION.
@summerdais325
@summerdais325 3 года назад
Where are you from? I have seen/heard of it in my small, Midwestern city (15,000). A70 something woman with NO criminal history, accidentally walked out of Walmart with one item. It was valued at around $20. She was taken to jail. This was before Covid, but it took 3 days to get her before a judge. To be released on bail would have been around $1,000. She was living in poverty. Thankfully, the judge dropped the charges, but during that time she didn't get her medications and was offered food she couldn't eat. Once released, she ended up hospitalized! I have heard of worse. What happened to innocent until proven guilty, due process, even meeting basic needs IF in jail! It's sad. She was so embarrassed. When people here learned of what had happened to her, they said they would have secured a bail bondsman and donated to get her out. I think that would have been around $100. It turned out she was in the beginning stages of dementia.
@mizzmia4407
@mizzmia4407 Год назад
Same amount on jail is same amount of kids on fostercare, lets care more about them
@donaldsmith3261
@donaldsmith3261 3 года назад
This guy has no clue of the real world if he thinks a lot of these arrestees are good people lmao
@jaycee7417
@jaycee7417 3 года назад
Yeah no bail is working out great in my city “NYC” right now which happens to be a cesspool of criminals ....smh
@umeng2002
@umeng2002 3 года назад
Heaven forbid if people with money start committing crimes. Your argument would be btfo.
@marcusstarman1849
@marcusstarman1849 3 года назад
@@umeng2002 Something something first time offender something something
@Zensor0815
@Zensor0815 3 года назад
It is working pretty well here in Europe. Seems more like a generell problem of the US, not the Bail system.
@fdfischer
@fdfischer 3 года назад
It was before and it is after bail
@theophilevictoria5592
@theophilevictoria5592 3 года назад
Maybe if black people weren't accosted by NYPD for decades they would have equitable access to gainful employment and financial leverage in their own community.
@bogatz1
@bogatz1 3 года назад
I'd like to hear the other side of this issue. Would the guilty show up for the their trials?
@danseeloff867
@danseeloff867 3 года назад
Not sure but in NY we keep hearing about people getting arrested multiple times in a day & let go.
@pinocchio4291
@pinocchio4291 3 года назад
Genuinely curious 1. Are you willing to have innocent poor people in jail because of guilty poor people? 2. People that can post bail don’t commit crimes while out on bail?
@johnnydeals2139
@johnnydeals2139 3 года назад
JK *most
@jameswright9810
@jameswright9810 3 года назад
JK if you payed a 50% deposit on a new car and started having doubts about wether or not you wanted it you would likely still buy it if it meant losing your deposit. If you payed no deposit and changed your mind who cares don’t show up to purchase it and leave the person holding it for you in the lurch.
@danseeloff867
@danseeloff867 3 года назад
I understand there's a lot that needs fixed in the criminal justice system but if you have a person arrested for stalking you or threatening you & is released in a short period of time they will probably do something violent. I don't agree with setting bail at $1,500 for somebody that has a small amount of drugs on them. That's excessive
@justanother8862
@justanother8862 Год назад
Look at major cities nowadays where they eliminated cash bail, this argument does not hold up imo
@Th3Hum4nEl3m3nt
@Th3Hum4nEl3m3nt 3 года назад
As a former bail enforcement agent, the system is fucked. If you can't afford the fee to be free until your court date which can be as low as $25 or as high as $1,000,000+ you are imprisoned.
@edsta714
@edsta714 3 года назад
Let’s not forget if you get convicted and released and you still owe money they take your right to vote away from you. Pretty messed up.
@whiskeyislife6498
@whiskeyislife6498 3 года назад
That’s what bail bonds are for.
@sarahemikula
@sarahemikula 3 года назад
🤔🤣🤣🤣
@remylebeau3089
@remylebeau3089 3 года назад
The way this is explained shows how crazy the system really is 👀
@TomBinnz
@TomBinnz 3 года назад
Someone needs to show Joe FBI Table 43
@decembersveryown5935
@decembersveryown5935 3 года назад
@Jason Patrick something to justify his racism.
@user-dp9rb9ll3s
@user-dp9rb9ll3s 3 года назад
December's Very Own for stupid people it does
@user-dp9rb9ll3s
@user-dp9rb9ll3s 3 года назад
Ralph Rodgers I like how you can’t beat my argument so you report it and get it deleted. Nice.
@user-dp9rb9ll3s
@user-dp9rb9ll3s 3 года назад
Ralph Rodgers I’ll just take your word for it. I’m not even going to bother again if that’s the case.
@Frexican54
@Frexican54 3 года назад
Letting Criminals out with no bail assumes they will actually show up for their court date, and won't decide to go around committing more crimes.
@stevemasterson7776
@stevemasterson7776 3 года назад
@KGB CIA Where's the compassion for everyone else in society that has to deal with it?
@NoxiousNoodles
@NoxiousNoodles 3 года назад
Why has it got to be a choice between release on bail with no conditions or release on bail requiring a payment? Most countries place strict requirements on defendants released on bail, without relying on a cash system.
@MrTee12
@MrTee12 3 года назад
'If they actually committed a crime" in the first place. If someone says you did something, like in a domestic dispute, and a cop arrests you, you're *GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT*
@maxmax87l
@maxmax87l 3 года назад
@@stevemasterson7776 compromise is repeat affenders or felonies get bail while misdemeanors get none.
@strongocho
@strongocho 3 года назад
Exactly. It is a collateral payment to show good faith. If someone has nothing to lose, why would they show up to court? They can just stay a fugitive until they get arrested again.
@mitchg5809
@mitchg5809 3 года назад
Unfortunately the removal of cash bail has led to more dangerous streets. Look at new york
@Dylang01
@Dylang01 3 года назад
Nope. Incorrect.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 3 года назад
Indeed violent criminals and sex offender's with long history of violence get out in less than 6 hours while first time offenders and weed smokers stay in the system
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 3 года назад
Remember when mayor deblasio said removing police and releasing criminals made NYC safer with a 300% gun violence increase
@zachisebi
@zachisebi Год назад
I'm not US American so please explain to me how it is legal to be incarcerated when you haven't been found guilty in a court of law.
@kmktruthserum9328
@kmktruthserum9328 3 года назад
yea part of the money they give to the courts should go towards their own case
@tjhill9479
@tjhill9479 3 года назад
I have been in and out of the criminal justice system for years and this guy is absolutely 100% correct. I’ve since got my life together thanks to my family and therapist. However....a lot of people don’t have a supportive family and people to guide them. It’s all about keeping people in the system through probation, fines, penalties, license suspensions which all lead to more money for the county. So corrupt and sad. Non violent criminals should be released. More money towards rehabilitation. I’m speaking from experience. Love you all. Stay safe
@JasonGwynne
@JasonGwynne 3 года назад
It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. how can they hold you in jail as "undetermined" soley on suspicion and accusations..
@JasonGwynne
@JasonGwynne 3 года назад
#forprofitprisons
@DJ-ex8qh
@DJ-ex8qh 3 года назад
If you are incarcerated because you cannot put up bail and are later convicted, you get 1.5 days credit per day spent in pretrial custody. If you are later proven innocent at trial, you get nothing for the days spent in pre-trial custody because you couldn't put up bail. The system is antiquated and needs massive overhaul. Outcomes like this make no sense
@chrissaala7914
@chrissaala7914 3 года назад
Omfg, so sad, never realized, thank you so much for the education... keep informing, love you Joe and what you do... # exonerate Bryan Callen
@tribalism_is_toxic1989
@tribalism_is_toxic1989 3 года назад
If everyone showed up to their court date its REALLY the BONDSMAN who makes money off the bond.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 3 года назад
Absolutely just making money
@dylancantrell6088
@dylancantrell6088 3 года назад
Haha i livein a commonwealth state which means if you don’t have the cash to get out youre stuck in there no bondsmen in commonwealth states
@orvil9223
@orvil9223 2 года назад
If half of the people show up for their court date, the bail bondsmen make a killing.
@ayytony720
@ayytony720 3 года назад
I've been in jail before, and I can attest to the poor getting fucked over because they cant bail out. Which means I'm forced to get a public defender, who is there to help the state catch a guilty plea, more so than to help you prove innocence. Every public defender I ever had, wanted me to just accept a plea deal rather than to fight it, even when I WAS innocent. I have fired several and acted as my own lawyer on a few cases, and won!!!
@deanfaklaris9987
@deanfaklaris9987 3 года назад
No cash bail has been an absolute disaster here in NY.
@WestcountyWill
@WestcountyWill 3 года назад
Bless these guys for spreading this information!
@thuglace
@thuglace 3 года назад
Q+
@Kal-El207
@Kal-El207 2 года назад
What’s their names?
@strongocho
@strongocho 3 года назад
Bail is a collateral payment as a show of faith you will be at your court date. You are innocent until proven guilty, so if you can convince them you will come to court, you Don have to sit in jail waiting for trial. If you are a flight risk, danger to society, or cannot provide credible collateral, you are going to have to wait in jail for court. Often times, not bailing out for smaller crimes actually will help you in court because the judge sees the time you spent in jail and considers it in sentencing. You may walk out of court that day already having served your punishment.
@dustinalexander1829
@dustinalexander1829 2 года назад
There's a reason it exists. Look at the lawless nature of the areas that have abandoned it.
@judowrestlerka
@judowrestlerka 3 года назад
BRAVO Joe Rogan. This was about one of the best shows you have had. Its amazing how much you communicate when you dont talk over everyone.
@aperson2943
@aperson2943 3 года назад
He doesn't talk over lefties. He plays Devil's advocate with anyone who isn't a lefty
@jsailer2558
@jsailer2558 3 года назад
The fact that 30% of people disliked this video blows my mind (549/189 like to dislike atm)
@drmossy9673
@drmossy9673 3 года назад
Jre comment section is notoriously SICK. It used to literally depress me but now I just realise how many sick people was amongst us
@jonathanmilton9753
@jonathanmilton9753 3 года назад
If you made a law saying the first crime you get out bail free but if you break the law a 2nd time you go to jail.
@oskarslapsa9057
@oskarslapsa9057 3 года назад
They made an argument for widespread capital punishment. Poverty does not excuse committing crime.
@brucesiegel7229
@brucesiegel7229 3 года назад
So you can get tickets for speeding, parking whatever, you still have to pay them.
@aj-tf7xk
@aj-tf7xk 3 года назад
Did you know, debtors prison was literally outlawed in the CONSTITUTION.
@rvanzo925
@rvanzo925 3 года назад
Well they still arrest people for not paying taxes, so it’s not entirely true.
@sardonicspartan9343
@sardonicspartan9343 3 года назад
@@aj-tf7xk there are still consequences as there should be.
@aj-tf7xk
@aj-tf7xk 3 года назад
@@sardonicspartan9343 do you wanna know the simple solution to this which was introduced by a lot of countries. Tie bail to income, so instead of 10k its a percentage of their weekly/monthly income.
@aj-tf7xk
@aj-tf7xk 3 года назад
@@sardonicspartan9343 you can do the same with tickets. It eases a lot of the substantial burden on the poor AND makes rich people less immune to speeding tickets and such.
@Kd_rise
@Kd_rise 3 года назад
lol he look like the Jeff dude on twitter that replies to Trumps tweets.
@acastillo1986
@acastillo1986 3 года назад
How about you just don't let your license get suspended or have possession of any narcotics. Then you want have to worry about this "problem".
@BackTheBlueTillItHappensToYou
@BackTheBlueTillItHappensToYou 11 месяцев назад
I was at core one time and someone got time served as his conviction for passing a bad $100 check, he was in jail for 40 days
@DIZZIE56
@DIZZIE56 3 года назад
And how many people in NYC are getting released right away and going and committing crimes right away again?
@creigmacc
@creigmacc 3 года назад
Tons more than this guy will ever acknowledge. It's not in the script, until he's a victim of repeat criminal activity.
@marcusstarman1849
@marcusstarman1849 3 года назад
Most of the people getting arrested I bet.
@myronpriest4935
@myronpriest4935 3 года назад
He looks like he could be Marc maron's brother
@jeffreyallen3561
@jeffreyallen3561 3 года назад
Driving under a suspended license? You must want to go to jail.
@Emailfwd
@Emailfwd 3 года назад
Yes! Thank you!
@graydon78
@graydon78 3 года назад
Cash bail undermines the very law and justice system itself.
@Gr8erThan8
@Gr8erThan8 3 года назад
Nope, it’s fine.
@foxvalleybandvids
@foxvalleybandvids 3 года назад
Just like illegal immigration.. assumptions being made that most will be law abiding - even though they already broke a law to get here
@arod077
@arod077 3 года назад
So you telling me you would not break the law to have a better way of living or surviving?
@Van420Dal
@Van420Dal 3 года назад
I would bet you $1,000 that you have broken many different laws over the course of your life. So by that logic you're an unredeemable criminal. do you see the problem was just assuming that because someone did something once that they're always going to do that again and never deviate from that behavior? so your opinion is as soon as someone chooses to do something illegal or makes a mistake and does something illegal they are useless to society and should be locked in a cage and forgotten about. that is moronic on so many different levels in is a huge drain on the American society because of the massive expenses to the taxpayer to keep all these people locked up. Not to mention there are many many many u.s. laws that are just stupid that the majority of the population disregards anyway.
@marcusstarman1849
@marcusstarman1849 3 года назад
@@Van420Dal Well that's because there are FAR too many laws on the books.
@Phreek666
@Phreek666 3 года назад
arod077 Then they shouldn’t be complaining that they are victims when they are caught breaking our laws. Identity theft can destroy people’s lives.
@theophilevictoria5592
@theophilevictoria5592 3 года назад
Really bad take, especially since most humans unilaterally follow laws. It's xenophobic and probably racist to assume any group of people inherently don't follow laws.
@ItzDiizy
@ItzDiizy 3 года назад
If someone commits a victimless crime, they shouldn’t be arrested before having a chance to defend their actions in court.
@lutherdean6922
@lutherdean6922 3 года назад
thanks for covering this
@kevinramcharan6834
@kevinramcharan6834 3 года назад
Jason Flom looks like John Turturro from that show "The Night Of"
@beesheer3761
@beesheer3761 3 года назад
😂😂😂 wow! That’s a fucking homerun!!
@koolganja
@koolganja 3 года назад
excellent HBO series
@jasonquach517
@jasonquach517 3 года назад
Utt
@beesheer3761
@beesheer3761 3 года назад
Josh Karanja definitely is
@JuanaWatchDaWorldBurn
@JuanaWatchDaWorldBurn 3 года назад
wow so funny. this guy is fighting for ppls rights and telling tragic stories and all u took from it is who he somewhat looks like? your mentality and iq is gonna take u far in life!
@tiredox3788
@tiredox3788 3 года назад
I like how everyone in these comments just assumed everyone in jail and prison is automatically guilty.
@johnbunceiii2668
@johnbunceiii2668 3 года назад
Most are.
@tiredox3788
@tiredox3788 3 года назад
@@johnbunceiii2668 We don't know how many because how mess up the Justice system is in America.
@umeng2002
@umeng2002 3 года назад
They're all bootlickers or essentially kids thinking the justice system is only for "bad" people. It makes you lose hope for our country. Those who have money get released. Those without it don't.
@johnbunceiii2668
@johnbunceiii2668 3 года назад
@@tiredox3788 What about it exactly is broken? If there is an area we can improve upon then lets talk about it. Simply generalizing that it's bad because of the possibility of innocent peoples being incarcerated doesn't mean anything. The honest truth about those in jail in our country is that most are in fact law breakers. They're not civil participants in our society. Is it everyone? No; people make mistakes, have biases, etc. and lives have been ruined because of that. I'm not excusing that. But we need to stop looking at the exceptions and focus on the rule.
@johnbunceiii2668
@johnbunceiii2668 3 года назад
@@umeng2002 The repeat offender thieves beg to differ.
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