How China Tracks Everyone 

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@Ricardo Ricardo I wonder what life is like in farm land China.

🤣 🤔 mmm

@Ricardo Ricardo yea. Nobody wants to even think about it. They are too busy being ignorant till the bots will enslave humans 🤣 and i mean this seriously. It would be well deserved. 😭

To what end?

All part of the control system that theyll add to

They rate you based on how many times you exit and enter your own apartment? If you spend too much time outside you might be doing suspicious activity?

people in the 1500s would think the idea of credit cards is creepy and yet here we are in a society where we pay everything with credit cards.

@Ned Chil can you expand on that one please? What does their social life look like and do all of them blindly trust the government?

Bouncy M&M Credit cards are still creepy: convenient yes, private no. Cash is king!

Or worse

@@iamfighterman9646 what happens when the it’s a crime too go toilet? Go “toilet” on sundays? What happens when the laws are unjust?

@@iamfighterman9646what happens when the comment you just wrote is illegal? By law? It’s not so simple. Do you follow laws designed too hurt you?

Westerners act as if no one has their info

​@@akshat3422 no argument whatsoever.

In fact, its Chinese name is "天网", which is an allusion. The full name is "天网恢恢，疏而不漏". The literal translation is that The net falling from the sky is huge, sparse but not missing. You can understand that as long as you commit a crime, you will definitely be punished

Soo true

I ain't Chinese but traditional Chinese 40 years ago wasn't like this. So it's more the CCP. :)

There is the joke about North Korea using 1984 as a blueprint.

Predictions fed onto millions of minds manifests that future. Penny. Drop...

🤣

😂👍

don't forget about the "good" version of skynet...we're pretty much fucked at this point.

'Good' quite an unreliable word

exactly.

Any idea what it's called or are you taking about skynet

clearly.... They proved that when Marvel bent the knee and who owns VICE? Disney... Who owns Marvel hmm.... Disney.... I'm sure that's just a coincidence and I'm a nutty conspiracy theorist :) or not.

They didn't learn history I guess...people only take so much control before they snap and kill everyone that rules them. 100% they are talking about it at every dinner table everyday, especially after seeing Hong Kong fighting for their rights

@@breakingames7772 True, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling their dinner tables may be miked up.

ant mayorga big brother is watching you

And what US gov are not willing to tell you guys.

dude I love black mirror!!!!

@@boibrainiac 🙄

Me too man. Me too...

I thought they didn't have Netflix in China

Revird Kcalb maybe they have Netflix but heavily censored, i mean not all countries have the same content and china everything that talks bad about the government or country, thats why s lot of movies are being china friendly, because then they open the market to more than 1 billion people

Are you serious? Do you guys live under the rock? or do you purposely have a selected memory? How about whistleblower Snowden who is btw hiding in Russia right now, for the same reason of exposing the US government spying on its citizens.

Just don’t vote for Democrats and we will be fine

@@eukaris18 I agree although the right has it's issues as well..

@@eukaris18 who started the war on drugs? Who started the war on terror? The Patriot Act?

@@ASAPJermz the right is both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party dude. There is nothing left wing about the Democrats, not since LBJ

yes... moments after he had said "Skynet in the movie is bad, our Skynet is good".

@@xCDF-pt8kj I'm Brazilian and our president (bolsonaro) met huawaii in order to discuss the implementation of this system here. If it happen, i would go to amazônia instead shoot myself.

@@xCDF-pt8kj And now, they are collecting informations from the cellphones... and they tell it is to protect us from the covid-19. Thats bad man

@@luke-yy5zp altho tbh in most countries your government intelligence agency probably knows every single tiny bit about you, security cameras would just make it easier for them to track you dont but they can already track you down. If you use the internet (which I assume you do) then you have no privacy, as the sun microsystems ceo once said.Privacy is dead rip

@@xCDF-pt8kj feel like it would be bad if jobs used that a tool as well.

Moh Amuza anything u share with the public you share with the enemy

@@dylanburns5780the video shows the tools that are used to get data are public but the data itself is hidden from the public!

China to its Citizens: 𝐨𝐡, 𝐲𝐨𝐮'𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐦𝐞?

Chinese government give some discount in public service if the citizen participate in survilience program tho

They wanna live safely and without disorder, to develop their country. That's better than many western countries.

"In reality this kind of surveillance camera can heavily wrong an innocent person and violating public privacy" agreed

We're doomed

Based on my knowledge in Chinese, I think the name "Skynet" came from a Chinese idiom "the heaven's vengeance is slow but will sure arrive", meaning that justice will arrive eventually and the criminals will eventually be caught, no matter how late. And the Chinese translation of "the heaven's vengeance" comprises two Chinese character, with the 1st character meaning "sky" and the 2nd character meaning "net". Although the 2 characters together as a word means "justice" or "the justice system", they just put "sky" and "net" together and used "Skynet" as its English name, lol. Therefore, I think it's probably a stupid translation issue, instead of intentionally using the name from the film.

@@myposter1003 That's neat, but the guy literally said in the video that they named it after the AI from Terminator my dude

​@@thea-ronator57 Yeah, his words got me confused. Cuz no matter whether they use this system to monitor people or to find criminals or both, they won't say straight "I am monitoring people". Instead, they only say it's helping finding the criminals. So why use such a name "Skynet" that potentially lead people to think that way? In addition, since it's an English name, it will also look bad internationally. That's why I tend to believe it was a translation issue, anyways

it is not how you would imagine it to work. for instance, if you want to know someone or some companies, you can check if they have repudiated a debt or not before you doing business with them. isn't that great?

Unlike USA China didn't kill 1 millions Iraqis

@@sarkermahmud You can make endless arguments about the atrocities that certain countries have committed (e.g. America with the native Indians) or are currently committing (e.g. China with the Uighurs) It's just better not to start making comparisons. The list of different "unlike" statements (similar to your one) that someone can make for both of these countries is probably really long

@@sarkermahmud uncle sam isn't good either but China just gave a company called Skynet ....which is highly ironic...its private information...no wonder people were being silenced when Covid started by the govt...complete surveillance is never the answer...the govt is now God

​@@sarkermahmud Where tf are you getting those numbers?.. And why are you commenting that here?

@@yasukesan8829 is criminal database private information too? Think about what their intention was, or if I may ask, do you think if the criminals do whatever they want and play with the grey area of rules due to the lack of surveillance could make a country moral and not creepy???

YOUR RIGHT

Just as our earlier president said, "Those who give up their freedom and rights for security deserve neither"! That is close not verbatim, but close enough!

I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THAT, CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN?

Think you forgot about NSA

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

Shows like Black Mirror is the way to train your mind, to accept the future...

Not rly, cuz Black Mirror is censored in China......

So creepy

@@mastersonogashira1796 Doesn't really have to train their minds to easily accept it, they are already LIVING it.

@@unicorn9957 Yep. They're already compliant and unarmed over there.

Why aren't you complaining about being tracked online? It won't cost you your life.

@@hngyuli7455 Simple, because I can't be tracked LOL Just take the correct steps

But they are conditioned from birth,or in the womb

And they bring that communism to the usa,in government jobs,tech,med community

Exactly

Fishfingers232 literally wtf. How do you misinterpret that hard and not even acknowledge another perspective

they cut away what he said before that. but it does seem the chinese are trying to create a superior class of people and slowly persuading the lower class to not reproduce.

Yun Fu Chill. It’s not too hard to see that a black mirror episode in real life is bad

@@Tertiantoon it probably won't get that extreme. And it probably would be pretty good if you have talent and rise up to upper class society.

I'm pretty sure he did. But was told to reinterpret.

@ilgamesh despite the risk

In China there's a joke about this situation-- George Orwell: I wrote 1984 as an allegorical warning, not a fuxking instruction handbook!

@@benxinghai8649 book title please

@@benxinghai8649 1984 was based on the instruction hanbook of the elite. How do you think Orwell was able to write that down and predict things like smart tvs?

@@dnaba_rry the book title is 1984

I think he is giving a subtle point because he is not allowed to speak against it 🤔

I think he just didn't get what she said or this video has been edited. He won't say that if he was sober.

While glancing directly to the camera in the corner of the room 😏

it already was.

Always has been

the world health organization said even after a vaccine we still need mass surveillance and tracking. Resist the Great Reset. Liberty or Death

But will it punish regular children the same as the children of presidential candidates for stealing lemonade ?

This is fucking creepy and terrifying. Welcome to 1984, world! Except even Orwell couldn't foresee how advanced the tech would be to strip us all of all our rights and freedoms. Totalitarian, dystopian future devoid of all liberty is almost here for everyone, not just China though it is already reality there and the most extreme expression of it (but what do you expect from an authoritarian communist hellhole, they would use whatever is at their disposal to achieve the same results). This is just a blueprint for the rest of the world, As it's every government's (read: control system) dream come true. This should be disgusting and deeply troubling to any world citizen in equal measure. We all have a inalienable right to privacy. Fight for and take back your freedoms before it's too late. Evil prevails when good men do nothing. We've been sold this crap under the guise of 'ooh, look, shiny new things' and 'advanced AI can only be good for us, right' which has no factual basis in reality and now we're only just starting to see how dangerous it really is, and why trusting governments has never been a good idea from time immemorial, any time we forget that we invite disaster and here it comes again. China (Xi) has already said he wants to dominate the world so if this is the future they have envisioned for everyone else I think that's something we should all be deeply concerned about. Future wars and globalist expansion won't be fought with nuclear weapons, but with this. Digital ones Invasive tech watching everyone 24/7, and rooting out any dissent to its total power and control, whatever it (or the CCP) perceive that to be. fun times ahead.

This is why we are in covid now, the laws are changing daily and the new world order is on its way, trump has been removed this is it bro it’s here and ready

Just be conscious of what you spend your time and energy into, what it helps create...

@@francoisnel5253 Man I really needed to hear that. Thank you!

@@FPSPARKER Yeah man, they see our attention as a resource these days. We need to be mindful of where we focus it.

The demise of humanity. We all become robots. Yay.

Just like most models have the same qualities. There is a rough general consensus.

@@SWLinPHX Indeed, but that should stay in the shallow depths that is the modelling industry. Implementing such comparisons into every day life is a one way ticket to even more depression and mental health conditions in an already fragile society.

@@mundokabaso9240 I understand, but that Pandora's Box has already been opened by strangers posting videos online. Even good-natured videos draw nasty remarks about the creator's looks and personal attacks in RU-vid comments from strangers emboldened by anonymity.

@@SWLinPHX It's true. We've gone too far!

They probably machine learned with a bunch of magazine models. Yuck

Of course they will be even less transparent. The more they control you the less they are worried of who they are supposed to serve.

Precisely

If the govt becomes transparent, Disaster will appear .. this is politic, not utopia

@@taknaknak4957 so let me get this straight, this is a dystopia, not a utopia?

@@christianzilla yup, in this world nothing is called *Eternity* , someday someone will fall

I thought we were all in a south park episode

i hope we don't have to put up a fake/funny social media post everyday

@S A show isnt crap dats🧢 yeah maybe the last season but overall nah

Ye because black mirror is the first series that predicted this and used this narratively Kappa

@@zydian_ black mirrors the closest to reality rn tho

Because they are scared of ccp and will track them down...

you dont f with ma boy Jinping

That's the Future of New World Order

Exactly. This is how authoritarian communism evolves in the digital world. Truly terrifying

Demerit system

fucking can you imagine. i died when he laughed at that question

What they're hiding? There are concentration camps in china right now as we speak. Believe it or not. They've taken A Turkistan tribe called Uyghurs by force, and subjected them to re-education in camps, forced labor, forced sterilization etc. If anyone is interested I can give you the link.

At least China is "transparent", unlike the sneaky shady NSA of USA

@@user-is3yn7xr4c neither are transparent lol.

@@michaelsmith953 I mean less opaque

Axel Milan automated sheep. The ruling class’s ugliest sex organs.

Slaves

it is scary. I started reading the comments a minute or so in to see if anyone else thought the same. I did not like the part about any of it.

Like most technologies, it’s a two sided coin. Use it for good or bad depends on people. Your view is very one sided

Ke Z Crazy, how its always chinese defending it. Maybe your one sided. Defending your shithole country

Chow mein*

Bubble tea is good.

I mean it's really just an extension of what governments already do and want to do. The UK has cameras everywhere and post 9/11 the US passed the Patriot Act. China has the luxury of having the complete authority to roll this out other countries just have to wait for a terrorist attack for the public to get on board for the same thing.

@@shun07 weird flex but okay

@@shun07 which is China.

More like watch dogs

I was wondering if wearing a hoodie over your face helps? 😬 I know a bhnch of koreans and now the qhole world is wearing masks so...how are they scanning us then? Maybe they are scanning our bone structure.

@@iwilljinxu nah tbh the mask thing throws it out of the picture....imo of course...I just don't see it coming to an accurate conclusion off of just the upper half. Aye you never know ig but I don't think so maybe if its system has a memory and your wearing clothing associated with past pictures? Idk tbh

@@nazilramadhany658 It would be an interesting idea to hack into China's CTOS -- in order to destroy themselves. -- Well, I mean, why not?

@@SakiSekai nearly impossible as their advance af and it would start war

Haha, that's so true ;D

Totalt agree

True, than again it’s the same for basically every country.

If advanced systems happen in the United States, you will be very proud.

Mojammer TRUTH!!

FBI now using facial recognition to catch u guys lmao

A : in china we want to use something as seen in the film black mirror. B: But black mirror is a horror show. A: in US, it is a horror show.

as a normal Chinese , I want a safe and convince society , I dont mind my privacy , because I am to normal , nobody want to know me haha

@@chenyiable As a Chinese living in China, you couldn't use youtube, as the Chinese government censors social media.

@@jaym8927 They never actually said they live in China, and anyway u can use VPN

Dont worry its the good Skynet

@@WitchLuw the good Skynet my ass, a devil is a devil there is no such a thing as the good devil, he is the devil because he is bad.

SHL yeah they named it skynet on purpose,there’s a underlying message. They are really stupid, they like to tease us by putting the information in our faces. I’m afraid most are to blind to see them.

Bobby Weirddick omg such a funny pathetic love lacking dude🤣🤣

@@shl9322 good skynet my ass literally ..we are doomed boys

what's that from again

@@sweetiepie4328 The Terminator movies.

China loves red flags

it was more about sky and net words mix, that its lightspeed fast

They could’ve just called it Skyyes

Banksy B it has nothing to do with whatever you are talking about:(

@@nanjinglover9920 what you talking about Willis.. he said it's the same skynet as terminator what part did you not get... that shit is not funny at all.

Rasiel he tried to be nice but did it wrong. The speaker was trying to convey the information by literal translation and she has no clue that the skynet is something from ancient Chinese cultural translated that way. That being said, she naturally connected it to something she could think of, which causes misunderstandings to the audience. It’s a typical example of brutal translation..

Bro that’s fucking funny😂😂😂

Could name it tRump Tower?

Good thing in America we have a second amendment.

@@Ironpancakemoose With all due respect...that is very naive to believe the 2nd amendment protects us; we are already being watched and monitored. Does Snowden ring a bell? He shared that fact and has been on the run since. The only difference between China and America is currently our monitoring is a bit less overt; at least for now. But in Chicago, the CPD uses street cameras to monitor various areas already.

@@Ironpancakemoose - 1st amendment. ! Second one is just joke and marketing tool for sell of ammo

@@Ironpancakemoose so you can legally get shot?

@@Ironpancakemoose good luck with an AR-15 against drones, tanks and fighter jets lmao

orthecatlady

@@jasonsharma5888 I don't think any cat lady will be getting that many visitors.

catnip

Is clearly the guy that after each night out bring a girl to his apartment

The people who sell weed in china go missing or are murdered after court. Doubt it unless its a complete idiot.

So creepy

Homo Sapiens QP bruh America is doing the same thing too. I swear white people are so comfortable being orientalists

@@evano5635 What are you talking about?

In USA Imagine being discredited for publishing a study about gender that goes against LMBTQ liberal propaganda! Oh boy

@@goom1311 oh, you mean that goes against basic human rights?

criticizing the government isn't a crime in China, trying to overthrow the government is.

Things are moving quick now, this will be the case here in the next 10-15 years tops

@@huskychronicles3249 you mean in the next 8~9 years?

I hate to break it to you but it isn't going to happen in a century, it will happen way sooner than you think

@@kennythekid130 why?

You are out of time, maybe 5 to 10 yrs top... You will see this in your lifetime.

Maybe he should have named it 2034 instead?

Its not even close have you even read the book?

no sam semaj yes I have I’m only talking about the camera surveillance part

North Korea fits that better though.

Not really. I don't see that much of a problem with public space surveillance. The amount of social safety it brings massively outweighs the privacy concerns IMO. It's not like you are being watched at home.

He is simply embarrassing himself

@@NoName-vl5gr US government, "we only monitor other countries' leader and people", so we are innocent. 🤣

@Imperial Commander Yue Fei 岳飛 Don't reply 傻X们. They will decrease your IQ and use their rich experience to defeat you.

No Name then DO YOU HAVE MORALS????!!

No Name ah

"Welcome to our company, we use *Mein Kampf* as inspiration but we're trying to turn it into something good for our future." That basically is what's going on there.

More like Demolition Man where he can’t get some damn toilet paper

Dirge lmao 😂 Yeah and when you cuss that kiosk out your social score will be in the shit’er 🚽 along with that 1 square of 1/2 ply toilet paper 🧻

LMFAO

All the same , see How American government tracks the whole world and American people .... Permanent record Edward snowden.

And that wasn't enough toilet paper

Miles Mitchell absolutely,they couldn’t spare a square?I guess they don’t have a square to spare!😜😜

Miles Mitchell the reason they only dispense a certain amount of toilet paper is because in Chinese culture if something is free then people tend to take all of it that’s why many public toilets in China don’t have toilet paper

@@ItsMeRhaine I know that, but it isn't enough toilet paper. I'd need two or three times that amount that is shown dispensed

this is what yang is going to do. He is with Bloomberg,

But with the device used to stream this you can usually do something to prevent being tracked. Many companies are working on gait recognition which renders facemasks pretty much useless

boom there it is

@@p529. Fact especially when my phone is a Huawei mobile phone 😂

‼️

With 4G, you can still opt out and not use a phone, but with 5G the phone is irrelevant and there is no opt out option

More like 1984

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wr552N1KWLE.html

I feel like one of the creepiest dystopian things, is the cameras rank your beauty, which makes me think about some sort of dystopian World where you’re paired with a partner based on your beauty Level.

Lmao it’s been like that all over the world, China is just being transparent about it

@@Sheir01 cuz China use it for social interactions not that is transparent, USA use it for "national security", EU use it for information control... Is not like is unknown is more what are their intentions.

Yes it's sad!They got 1 billion people out of exstrem poverty in just 20 years with there socialist revolution. And build the world's best,fastest and most efficient urban transportation. And they spoil it with things like this not to mention the ethnic cleansing with the Muslim!

@@ovilersmith5006 Xinjiang problem ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-u4cYE6E27_g.html and HK problem ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h64hTb4on78.html and camera ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2beTxYBK5ro.html or ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DPKUT-F_AD8.html and Chinese gov ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s0YjL9rZyR0.html . Watch these videos and they are foreigners living in China and see how they see about these problems.

As terrifying as PRISM project exposed by Snowden.

the mark of the beast is next

Truth Giant you just said it best. Scary very wild for 2020. They will jail you if you are 16 years old and have no ID jail I was stocked. Thanks

that's actually how they really felt. they really think only bad people like thiefs murderers would be scared of this tech

Not everyone has something to hide

@S Baker No... You just don't understand East Asia culture in general. The CCP does not need to do any active brainwash or threatening for their population to accept this kind of strict management. It's basically in the culture that the collective good > personal desires. And in this kind of culture it's really easy to judge others based on moralities. So they really think unless you are a criminal, or someone who wants to hide some corrupt acts, why would you be afraid of these cameras in public spaces.

@S Baker I'm not saying this is good. Just pointing out cultural differences that make people feel differently for the same thing

@@SergyMilitaryRankings Everybody has something to hide, what you are saying is impossible. Might be something small but still...

It’s to late the youth have embraced this.

Too late friend, we can only take it down from within now

The fucking Elon musk wants to put chips into people. Stay focused people.

@@olivercaractri6377 when did elon say he wants to put chips in people?

That was Bill gates not Elon but yeah we need to wake up

And people criticised him and want him put in prison for it to me he it a hero who opened are eyes to what is to come and he was spot on with it all.

The government does let some dirty secrets out intentionally every once in a while. Just like how they leaked beforehand that they were gonna bomb the twin towers. And Prince had a song about it way before. Snowden is part of controlled opposition. Alex Jones is a mason and is also part of controlled opposition. As part of the course CIA are trained to be excellent liars.

Only evil people dislike what he did, like Obama.

Edward Snowden is a hero

Or that the founder wanted to attract attention about the system. As in: you! World! Don't do this like we're doing it!

Watchdogs: exists Chinese corporations: "write that down! write that down!"

@@AwkwardYet Can you tell me how many cameras per person in UK?

If you believe western media congratulations you won the lottery! Come to China and trust your eyes

NANCY 丨ove no one wants locked up for being a christian or muslim

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wB4Gn0u4DSE.html Edwards Snowdon , your are being watched and listened by AMERICAN government...

Moriel Logos you realise you don’t need to live in China to be tracked. I bet right now someone could track everything you do.

@AC2GO777 Republicans are much more likely to implement a surveillance system. It was George Bush who instituted the Patriot Act. You right-wingers are delusional.

Its coming to USA

Coming now. Everyone will want the vaccine aka Contact tracing. Everyone is getting chipped......yes, Rockefellers and Rothschilds wet dream

AC2GO777 China isn’t communist

Actually we are starting to be robots who just have to follow procedures, no need to make choices at all.

We’re already nearly at that point. We’re not that much away of that point, as we might think.

@@kaziuniek Robots are just metal slaves c:

welcome to society, where we have a lot of rules (some are laws, some are moral)

All good in public and government environment, nothing wrong with that.

Skynet, Black mirror they are trying to give a hint how horrific the future for them would be.

If it gets mainlanders to stop treating public spaces like toilets, maybe there's one thing going for it.

It's not even a joke, to be honest. The purpose of shows like Black Mirror is to condition its audience to be desensitized to such things. So when they are introduced no one will be surprised.

@@11arsenalfc1 Or you know their purpose could be to warn us about the future.

@@andreashabeck1155 That too.

like you don't see that every day on the news here? classic!

@@oldheadplayhou5e What makes you think I'm in America, stupid?

@@haydave4884 Wow~we got a rude guy here. That sentence up there show us your manner.

@@william1280 what's rude is this colin guy assuming i am in america or am american simply because i am writing in english and have an opinion about global politics. he speaks as though america is the only country in the world besides china. so pardon me for my messy french but F.Y.

China is super capitalistic, how come they call themselves communist?

They got no right to vote.

100% agreed

it already happened, I can find 2 right off the bat. a Chinese MMA fighter who exposed fake Kung Fu masters and a Journalist who is critical of Chinese government, both are black listed and can't buy train, airplane tickets, can't take a loan from bank, can't start a business, can't take their kids to private school, etc...

jokes on you they already do that in china

@@knight1506 wasn’t because he exposed the kung fool community in fights, it was because he got too rough verbally or something was sued for insult, then asked to apologise by the court and he refused. I mean he could whoop their ass but once he cussed them out it became a problem and the kung fools took advantage on it and brought in the gov 🤷‍♂️

I'm sure Prism is better but what wonders me is what else it does that google doesn't do already ?

@blue gill Security at the cost of privacy and freedom though

@blue gill yes. It protects you from disobeying or disagreeing with the government. Very bad for you and for everyone. We all must obey the government always.

Its. Coming to America

The security is so advanced they’ll be able to use past frames of you and mash it up to make it look like you are guilty of a crime you didn’t commit

@@TarwTarw first look at America, Do you know about Edward Snowden?