East Asian is definitely have good trader gene, just like black have good sport gene. If you said like in video, one of backbone is colluding with local government, how about successful Chinese in Europe & America?
Its politics business. 1950 - 1965 Capital hold by native businessman under sukarno regime such as : Bakrie, kalla, markam, sahid, thohir, pardede family, and so on. 1967 - 1998 All capital under soeharto regime, such as : Salim, lippo, widjaya, and friends of soeharto son such as winata, harry tanoe, prajogo, etc. Businessman under soekarno and soeharto still exist. Since 2010 - now palm oil and charchoal, digital busines make many new richman. But the capital more ballance between native and arab/india/ chinese descent. In 2nd level business omzet 1 M $ - 10 M$ we see more 60 % are native businessman. In 3rd level business omzet 100k $ - 1 M $ dominant by native businessman.
Imigrants ALWAYS work harder than the natives, happened everywhere. In the US you have european and Jewish descendants, in the UK you have Indian descendants. Also chinese descendants becoming rich isnt exclusively an Indonesian thing, whole ASEAN is full of rich chinese descendants (in Thailand you have Thaksin). Moral of Story: work hard and smart.
Thailand is the largest Chinese descendants in the whole world with 8-10 millions direct Chinese descendants and another millions Chinese background especially in the North. Thai is one of Tai family anyway.
@@iamgreat1234 Tai originated in southern China and had large infusion of Han blood! An example is Hainan province in China is a mix of Tai and Hokkien[Han] ethnicity. Thai and other south east asians migrated south and exterminated the native original inhabitants called Austromelanesians related to Australian Aborigenees due to wars and conquest by the Han in China proper.
My race is Chinese-Indonesian, but I hate it when I’m seen as Chinese first and Indonesian second. I grew up in this nation, so did my parents. I did not pledge an allegiance to a culture or nation far from mine - my allegiance is to the Pancasila. I do not study and sacrifice so much to improve China, I do so to improve Indonesia. I do not speak Mandarin, I don’t even see myself as Chinese. I have more in common with those whose race is different compared to my Chinese kin far north. I am Indonesian, and I hope that one day, I will be seen first and foremost as Indonesian.
Dude , my uncle in law was a chinese and he is more devouted than even me .... So , on what ground should i disparage my chinese descend's brother ?? On what ground .... ??
@@rgb9795 well race and ethnicity alway is what they pay attention first that’s just how it is. U are ethnically Chinese why be ashamed of it? Not like u can change ur DNA. The Indians that live in HK since generations will never consider themselves Chinese but they identify their home in HK…. It’s not that complex. It’s even more complicated for those that are mixed raced…. They won’t truly be accepted in both their countries so just gotta live with it and take the best of both parts.
Chindo here. My parents' generation was so poor that they said the at age 9 they were given an egg for their birthday because they never ate egg before their whole life. Now through hard work and thriftiness, they are multi millionaires.
Not only Chinese locals at that time ...I am 40 years old now ..in my childhood eating instant noodles, eating eggs, chicken,Lamb and Beef once in years...in daily life eating veggies and Chilies sambal.... Don't ask Japan Nippon or the Dutch colonial period. It's more suffering and painful for sure.
I believe it’s in the mindset of the Chinese, centuries before the European powers colonized many of the southeast Asian countries the Chinese were there to trade, to do business, they did not want to colonize as the Western powers did, they wanted to do business and some even settled and integrated with the local communities, most of the population in Southeast Asia has Chinese blood from that intermingling.
Trade?.Hindi na ngayon ano yung mga island ina angkin nila na hindi naman sa kanila. Pati border nila sa India may plano pa sila agawin. Tapos nakarating pa sila border ng Indonesia para mang agaw na naman ng isla.
@@sawashakiletomania8955 Kung talagang gusto nilang manakop na parang espanol at americano, mandarin/putonghua na sana ang salita mo! kung icoconsidera mo ang lapit ng China sa Pinas; lahat ng inaangkin nila ay contested territory sa kanilang boundary at hindi mga lupa na gusto lang nilang kunin para sa kayamanan at pera, tignan mo ang pinagaagawan nila sa India walang ka kwentakwentang bundok pero dahil paniwala nila ay lehitimong parte ito ng kanilang bansa kaya nila ito inaangkin tulad ng pagankin ng India sa parehong mga bundok dahil sa tingin nila sila ang tagapagmana ng mga territoryo ng British Raj. Ang tingin ng mga Chinese sa SCS ay territoryo nilang inaankin ng ibang bansa tulad ng Pinas at tayo ang mangaagaw sa kanilang paningin kaya kung mangaangkin ang tingin natin sa kanila eh pareho lang ang tingin nila sa atin, subukan mong ilagay ang iyong sarile sa kanilang mga sapatos para makita at maintindihan mo ang situasyon mula sa dalawang angulo.
@@oxvendivil442 Contested territory ba yung WPS?. Napakalayo niyan mantakin mo sa geography. Ching chung apologist ka din eh. Bakit napunta chinese drone submarine nila malapit sa Indonesia?. Eh napakalayo niyan. Contested border pa rin ba yan?. Mabuti na lang pinaputokan mga Chinese na yan.
I am a Chinese Indonesian, 8th generation to be precise. My ancestor came to Indonesia by boat with just clothes, because of famine in China mainland. It has been more than 200 years since, but the story will be passed down forever, so we don't forget our roots on how a brave man travelled to a new land for a new opportunity. It's also a reminder to always work hard and not take the comfort for granted. The family in Indonesia mostly have a similar story, they started as refugees and build their success from zero.
Hey bro I was thinking of travelling to Indonesia and I'm a HongKonger (which looks like a southern Chinese), is discrimination against chinese still a serious issue and is it safe to travel to Indonesia?
@@champschannel44 as long as you stick to the big cities/regions/developed zones (Jakarta, Bali, Bandung, Surabaya) you will be greeted by many servers who can speak basic English. There is also a sizable population of English speakers (even HK people) you can sniff out by going to English Masses/services in Catholic/Christian Churches (they have English websites) who are generally more educated/international if you want to stay longer and want to build a network
My parents and grandparents are Indonesian Chinese (but I was not born in Indonesia), and they are very proud of their heritage. To date my parents still eat Indonesian food and speak Indonesian language at home with their relatives.
Yes, because the Chinese ethnic who were born here were involved in colonial wars, they were taking side with the natives to fight the colonizers while also helping to build the foundation of Indonesia in, so it's not surprising if many Chinese indonesians love Indonesia because they are part of it
One of the reasons why most of Indonesia’s conglomerates is Chinese descent is because of Orde Lama 1960 policy. The Soekarno govt didn’t recognize Chinese descent as Indonesian, depriving them from education facilities. This pushed many of Chinese descent to go to Singapore and pursue education in NUS and NTU, top universities in the world. They became very educated compared to most Indonesians. They are the ones who become founder of Salim, Djarum, Sinarmas, etc. So, the govt policy intended to crush Chinese descent eventually backfired, creating more inequality. All in all, Indonesia is not a race. We are a nation of many. Doesn’t matter where you come from, as long as you pledge for our beloved country. Afterall, we are all immigrants from Africa~
@@packohub1145 riots against chinese happened everywhere not only in Indonesia but all Asean countries even as an early as during colonial era up to in modern days in The US and Australia. Go figure it out..
@@envoguecalifornia yeah, and Chindos here definitely should learn from Rooftop Koreans if there'd be any future uprisings, especially if pribumis are going to create mess in Glodok, Mangga Besar, Pluit, Kelapa Gading, or Grogol
To understand why ethnic Chinese are successful in whichever country they emigrate, we need to understand what’s the inherent fundamental made up of a Chinese. Generally Chinese are brought up to be upright, hardworking, adaptable, resilient, long-suffering, value education, filial, grateful, loyalty to family & country, understanding the value of money and pros / cons of power & authority. Also Chinese have a deep understanding of what power & corruption encompass in the old Chinese saying “钱能使鬼推磨” (literally “Money can move demons to push the grindstone “). Through the 5,000 years of Chinese civilization, corruption and its oppression is a common place, its history has plenty of examples of how corruption entangle govt officials and how some clever businessmen took advantage of the a corrupt system. Chinese are survivors as they are deeply rooted in the saying ”留得青山在 不怕没柴烧” （”Keep the forest green and you will not lack in firewood”)
Just watch, Chinese will take over America in a few years despite the white supremacist attitude now. You are a looser if you cheat and lie and blaming other people for your own ignorant.
your words remind me of the novel water margin lol everytime someone is arrested, life suddenly becomes a lot more comfortable when you slip a few taels to the officers lol
Please come to Glodok, Tangerang (China Benteng), Singkawang and other locations where you can find many middle and lower class Chindo. So, the stereotype of all Chindo as crazy rich is completely wrong.
Stereotype is only stereotype, it's a myth among societies, may be this channel refer to Javanese Chinese people, because many of Chinoboyo are actually rich and crazy rich ....
@@abdmail2699 Ga ada batasan dan perbedaan, semuanya sama. Temen gua chindo juga banyak yang jadi PNS dan banyak juga dari mereka yang resign soalnya gaji PNS kecil.
I feel like every Chinese Indonesians I seen or met are crazy rich, my aunt ex husband’s family is crazy rich and owned a really big private apartment in Singapore in a really desirable location in Singapore
East Asian are generally successful because they are hardworking, government policy tend to negatively impact their ability in employment which force them into doing business of their own, you see this even in the US and Europe. Their story very closely mirror those of Jews. Jews and Asian develop an early culture in "companies"; the creation of collectives to serve a common purpose. such as many families coming together to fund a school, a hospital, even recreation clubs. having a history of running cooperative makes the formation of business companies more natural to them at a time where modern instrument of financing is yet to be available of individual seeking to build a startup.
Nah thats a lie. Most chineses in south east asia became rich because the local people have culture of giving while chinese people always have that kind of selfish and getting rich by any means culture. If you dont believe me ,look at Mainland China,nobody is getting rich there because everyone is just selfish and they cancel out each other. In order to get rich,u need people to work for u and willing to give u their money.
Agree,, for example during Suharto regime, Chinese descent were not allowed to become civil servant (except doctor), police, armed force, politician, and many other profession. Naturally they become businessmen, just like jews in europe.
The Chinese people living in other countries became very rich due to one simple reason, they were very poor when they arrived in that country. And they tried very hard to find a way out of that situation.
Chinese Indonesia just one of ethnic group in Indonesia. Not different with Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Papuans and so on. They are still Indonesian
Chinese is not a tribe in Indonesia but if it's Chinese, most people should be able to distinguish between Chinese and Chinese, because Chinese is a call for people who are Chinese citizens and residents of China, but if Chinese are Indonesians with Chinese ethnicity, that's different.
Here my thoughts As a native Indonesian: -"Kejarlah ilmu hingga ke negeri China (persue knowledge to the land of china)" is a famous saying just like "all roads lead to Rome". Since ancient times china just that famous and their influence survive till today modern era so China-indo merchant will have advantages as they re the bridge between 2 land -most of of immigrants (not limited to Chinese) usually works harder in foreign land because they try to gain acknowledgment and better living -chinese people just like Jews in Europe, most of the times they barred from politics seat so their next choice is economy and business. -in colonial times Chinese (plus may be Arab and Indian too) have a status of second class citizen contrary to the local (ofc excluding local ruler) who get third class citizen soo they have better start after the independence But im not worried about them now becouse most of Chindo here in Indonesia already assimilate and love Indonesia all the same, they are our pride denizen too.
Don't make us laugh by using "pride denizen", because they would keep loving Indonesia until they start to learn from Rooftop Koreans if there'd be future uprisings
In a nutshell it is very simple, growing up as a "Chindo" there weren't many distractions (religious commitments, aspirations to work for the government etc). Everyone around us were diligent and resilient, we were always taught the importance of having enough money to ensure a good life for the family. I would never say there is a difference in intelligence, we just don't have other commitments that would otherwise derail us from achieving our goals. I can say the same about fellow descendants of other migrant groups (Indians, Arabs etc) on average they are also economically well off. Despite the Chindo label, I see myself as Indonesian through and through.
What about ethnic Chinese in the Western world? I lived in the US for many years, and almost 95% of the goods sold in Walmart are made in China, and a large number of Chinese Americans also own businesses
I live in the western world, Australia and New Zealand, a lot of Chinese here are successful, they own a house, i’ve never seen a single chinese immigrant who is unemployed or homeless, they are model immigrants, hard working, obedient and do not cause any crime
Yeah like no joke there are Chinese immigrants all over the world even in the worst parts. I’m just surprised how they adapted and continued to live abroad…
@@ellenation2294 the Chinese have no qualms being Second, third or even work as helpers. Chinese loves to progress and they always love to THINK and Sees the FUTURE
if I am not mistaken, the chinese activities in Java (Medang Kingdom) has been recorded in an inscription dated around 10th or 11th century. However, remnants of chinese ceramics were found in many excavation sites dated as early as 1st century CE.
@@nsk660 (scarce) written records starts only from 8th century. But remnants of chinese ceramics were found from sites dated as early as 1st century CE. I think chinese traders knew "southern islands" from the beginning of their advancing maritime technology (after the "war period"?)
Some ethnicities in Indonesia are historically from Yunnan, China and Taiwan such as Dayak, Toraja, Nias, Batak, etc and many Indonesian people also mixed blood with Han Chinese so actually Indonesia is partially alot of Chinese descents. there are many of mixed blood Chinese and some originally ethnics strong related to part South China. If Indonesians go to South China, Chinese in China treat them like their own people from Yunnan and they think Indonesians are Yunnan people..cuz I am Indonesian but if I go to HK, Thailand, Macao even China they all said I am a Chinese minority
Not some, MOST of them since people who called themself as 'Native' are actually 'Austronesian'. Austronesian came from Taiwan and Yunnan, their haplogroup is the same as mainland Chinese. Eijkman Institute did the ancestry test on Indonesian using y chromosome method. But they failed to realize that Indonesian and Chinese got the same y-chromosome haplogroup so almost everyone in Indonesia are registered as Southern Chinese, except some Arab, India, or European descent like some celebrities. Melanesian (Papuan) are true native of Indonesia.
@@Bolansnoopyngang Yes, the purest "Pribumi" without foreigner mixture are the one with slanted eyes and lighter skin (like Dayak, Nias, etc). Regular Indonesian (like Javanese) are mixed with local Melanesian and Negroid, giving them more tanned skin than their ancestor from mainland. That's why in Aji Saka (Indonesian ancestor) story, Aji Saka came from the land of Bumi Majeti in the north. The pioneer were also unsuited to live in Indonesia (from the climate and original inhabitant of Denawa/the Giants), so Aji Saka invited more tanned people from Jambudwipa (India). Even their folklore told them that they are not true 'native' of the land.
@@BruhMoment-cs6tj hmmm, for correction, Javanese (Sundanese and Balinese and maybe most ethnic in Sumatra) have about 60% Austroasiatic genes (khmer people), and the rest is austronesian and maybe melanesia. I disagree with the purest "Pribumi" thing, because basically our ancestor are "Imigrant". The first people who migrate to Indonesia region of course the melanesian, the next is austroasiatic, and the last is austronesian. Like the first comment you mention about Papuans are the true "Native/Pribumi" cause their ancestor came from long and long ago before the second wave migration (austroasiatic) and the third wave migration (austronesian). Dayak, Nias, Mentawai, maybe some ethnic in Sulawesi and in Borneo are the purest austronesian. But, IMO, it doesnt mean that they are the purest "Pribumi" remember that the austronesians were the last people who migrate to Indonesia. (Of course migration before the historical era).
@@ghaniaryatama8601 I don't know about Nias but Dayak Ngaju I think is the mixed Austronesians. Dayak in North Kalimantan and East Kalimantan I don't think they are Austronesians. I ever visited Dayak Kenyah village in East Kalimantan and thought they were Chinese. They look no different with Chinese but that does make sense Austronesians dna also O haplogroup similar to people from Mainland China
@@RandomZex First, percentage of Chinese in Indonesia itself isn't valid. It is believed that around 3-5% of the population are Chinese. Still small, but not 1% for sure. Second, other than Indonesia, actually similar percentage of Chinese in Philippines even dominate higher percentage of economy in that country
It was the Dutch (under VOC) who impose law regarding social classes as the result of military conflict from 1740 to 1743, where the Chinese, after being massacred, decided to fight back and joined forces with the locals (mostly Javanese). The Dutch feared that the joined forces may eventually drive them out from the archipelago, and therefore, must be separated. Even after the colonization era, such treatment persisted until the 4th Indonesian President to abolish the discrimination law.
It doesn't matter as long as the slaughter of Chinese won't happen again in Indonesia. Also, black people stop attacking Asians in the US, many of them Chinese.
This article is basically wrong.The vast majority of Chinese Indonesians are poor,only a few rich families.After the anti- Chinese riots following the fall of President Suharto,the Buddhist charity organization purposely built houses for the poor in Indonesia for both Chinese and native Indonesians to live together instead only for Chinese.The reason being, we want the native Indonesians to know that there Chinese Indonesians are as poor if not more so than they themselves
Yet, other than the Chinese and Indonesian, not many people in the world hear about the anti- Chinese riots in the recent year really not that long ago.
Not all Chinese have good trading skills. China is huge, its people are diversified. Most of the Chinese in Southeast Asia were from the two south-most provinces of China, Guangdong and Fujian province. These two provinces have lots of mountains, so historically they are not good at farming but better at trading and had a thousand year's history of trading with foreigners. If you go north to the Yellow river region, Chinese people there are not good traders. They are more conservative and have the traditional value of looking down on any kinds of trading. BTW, trading is deemed as almost the lowest type of jobs in Chinese culture in history, be a scholar is the highest.
The best comment. My ancestors also came from Mongolian part of China, and now, I inherit Mongolian values in my Chinese-Indonesian family. I am a teacher and a social activist for my entire life, not too fond of being a businessman.
Its cuz of Soeharto era he brainwashed Indonesians people to hate Chinese. But now not anymore. Originally some ethnicities in Indonesia are historically from Yunnan, South China and Taiwan. Related close to Chinese minority in Yunnan. That's what happen to Indonesians when they go to Kunming or China. Most Chinese from China consider Indonesians as Chinese minority from Yunnan
As an Indonesian and living witness , I saw what happens in 1998. I am truly sad, horrified and as well as ashamed what happens then because we do not want this to happen anymore. Thanks to both leadership of Gus Dur and Ibu Megawati after 2001, they have turned upside down all racial stigma againat our minority Indonesian ( sorry i really dont want to call them " chindo" or " Indonesian of Chinese descendants" ) . Jokowi is the product of this radical change and nearly majority of Indonesian minorities ( me included) are very proud of him as our leader. He cemented a strong friendship with President Xi of China. That why now we have a High Speed Train in Indonesia with China. A new generation of non racial.bias is borned in Indonesia ( the Gen Z ). Pretty soon the race BS bias will be gone with the advancement of Social Media, digital economy etc.
@@danganrompa2626 cino doyan duit, matre. pribumi juga doyan duit, juga matre. bedanya cino lewat jalur usaha. kalo pribumi milih jadi pejabat/pns dan minta upeti atau malak
I’m afraid overseas Chinese may experience a riot like this in western countries. I’ve recently realised how crazy rich the Indonesian Chinese were during colonial times. They benefited from trading with the european colonisers and it needs to be in history books! The national Chinese qipao or cheongsam dress was made fashionable by a Chinese Indonesian heiress who also became the First Lady of ROC ! Do mainland Chinese people know this? The Chindos were so rich they influenced China!
It's even before European colonizer or VOC established it's first holding in D.E.I. So, the assumption that Chindo become rich because trade with european is wrong.
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Please don't Promote Chinese Indonesia are rich. They have had genocide in the past for having this stereotype perspective from others. They are poor Chinese Indonesia too.
As indonesian, i don't mind , chinese indonesians is part of nkri, they use indonesian names instead of chinese and many don't know how to speak chinese anymore.. if they are successful.. they earned it by many years of business. One figure i admire is jusuf hamka.. he is an amaizing character.
Unfortunately, that's not what in the mind of the most native Indonesian. Quite massive native Indonesian still see Chinese descent Indonesian as a threat that threatens native Indonesia's domination and supremacy. And sadly in many cases, many Chinese Indonesian face racism and xenophobia from native Indonesian.
@@azim-azmi3584 yep this is correct one of my friend is from somewhere that has strict traditional rules in Sumatra aka Minangese, they don't want Chindo to stay on their land as they claimed that they would steal or buy thier native land and they just don't want to compete with them in business
@@saanstarantolin2641 you can not deny it. Racism happen everywhere. Even the small population like Singapore and Malaysia they have racism in their country, what make you think very big population like Indonesia don't have any racism at all?
@@azim-azmi3584 i did suspect you are from malaysia, but i didnt want to mention it before to avoid mentioning other countries. But since you've mentioned i just want to say, unlike malaysia n singapore, in indonesia we don't have fill which race we belong to in any forms. And we don't have vernacular schools, everyone mix and speak bahasa indonesia. Not like over there where you need translators in parliamentary sessions. I've never denied that racist ppl exist , but you said "most native indonesians", which is only in your imagination. Maybe you are racist thats why you said things like that representing yourself.
I think Indonesian Chinese deserve a lot of credit for developing the Indonesian economy, however, now we have to turn our attention to increasing the wealth of ordinary Indonesian people. UMR/ minimum wage in Jakarta is only 4.5 juta/ bulan- or about $300- which is not a living wage for anyone. These companies need to start paying people a minimum of 10 million per month and giving them the same opportunities in their own country to advance in the company.
We are not Chinese Indonesian, we are Indonesian. We are ethnic Chinese. And we don't like to be called Chinese, because we are Indonesian, not Chinese.
True. Indonesia Chinese is Tionghoa is an ethic. Chinese is a nation. Dilireba looks not oriental like Chinese but she is Chinese. You get what I mean?
@@Bolansnoopyngang I understand, Indonesia is not an ethnicity, Indonesia is a country name. Being all Indonesian countries with different ethnicities, different skin colors, different languages, different religions and there are 6 legitimate religions in Indonesia because we have a PANCASILA LIFE PHILOSOPHY. Please Learn About PANCASILA so that you know the Indonesian Living Guidelines Why You Can Unite From Many Differences. Unlike in other countries, other ethnicities are not considered citizens. In Indonesia, we don't like to be called CHINA, we are Indonesian.
As a Chinese-Indonesia descendants, I agree with you. Not all Chinese-Indonesian are successful. Many say it's because of Chinese people are smart. If smart is the reason, I have seen alot of non smart Chinese-Indonesian here. In my city, we could see alot this type of people. Non smart Chinese-Indonesian (Chindo) are getting more dumb to the reason of our people having a low population. I live in a city where we are very nationalist. Many of us can't speak Mandarin anymore. So we created a language. You forgot to mention that they are also nationalist. Some are too nationalist that they can't speak their Native language anymore. We are also taught to be wise when using money. Still, not all are successful. Wa be hiao kong hokkien The sentence above is a example of how we say our language This only works if you are an Indonesian or Malay. We have no written dialouge. The reason our culture still exist is because we are Nationalist. My great grandma also forgot how to speak mandarin. Are there Chindo in Java? ofc have but hey don't speak this special language. Being Chindo in my city isn't special. At this point, you might know where I live.
5:26 modern economic prosperity of select few ethnic chinese indonesians was largely due to this; connection to the oligarchs. It may not represent the entire ethnic group.
I scrolled through quite many comments but have not seen people mentioning one of the reasons some chinese are successful is because of confucianism teaching and upbringing in the culture. This idealism was also introduced into Japanese and Korean culture which inspire them to be hardworking, respecting the elderly and striving for betterment of yourself. Although many pitiful chindo are not able to study chinese in school, those of us who could elsewhere learnt classic chinese literature full of confucian philosophy. Other than that, these virtues could also be taught through parents and chinese society.
No. It isn't. Chinese Confucianism or even Chinese as a race is not that special nor superior to any other teachings/races in Indonesia. Just like Jews in Germany, Chinese in Indonesia are discriminated against. Chinese in Indonesia are different from other hundreds of ethnic groups in Indonesia. Madurans can becomes religious leaders, Javanese can be civil servants, Christian Ambonese can join the army, Balinese can join the police force, what about the Chinese ? They can't. The last time a Chinese politician join in politics there're huge protests in the country. The last Chinese minister were 20 years ago (Kwik Kian Gie) and that was after through so much hurdle to put him there. They're shunned from state's affairs, politics, military and state owned enterprises, etc.... so what do you gonna do in situation like that ? doing private business of course. They accumulate their wealth from generation to generation so much so that the government can't expel them like Jews in Germany or Whites in Rhodesia without collapsing the state first. In some sense their wealth protects them from persecution. We'll see the fall of Chinese conglomerates in Indonesia when they are allowed to join other activities other than business.
@@kaptenhiu5623 Marie Elka Pangestu wasnt a chinese then? Also Ahok is the currenct head commisioner of Pertamina certainly not a joke position. The Chinese held political positions under Soekarno only after Soeharto came to power they got sidelined,which is ironic considering Soeharto's biggest financier and his smuggling partner was a Chinese descendant who went on to build Indofood.
@@harukrentz435 ok. I was wrong. I forget about Marie E.Pangestu. But still my point stands. Chinese are woefully under-represented in government affairs. Commisioner of PERTAMINA is a joke job for a former governor Basuki (Ahok). He has no experience nor idea about oil production and distribution, he never run a state owned enterprise before, he basically just advisor for the PERTAMINA'S executives. It's a joke compared to his last job as governor of Jakarta
@Keyboard Emperor the same story. The same persecution against Chinese happens throughout Southeast Asia. Anti-chinese sentiment are strong but not that obvious if you're outside observer. If you insist, can you explain why the richest persons in US are not Chinese then? You can't, but I can. Because the Chinese in US are not discriminated against. They can join military, run for politics, apply for civil servants, whatever they want. If Chinese are so superior and better than everyone else, then why Chinese are not the top 5 richest person on the planet? There're more than 1.4 billions übermensch Chinese around the world, Why they're not among the wealthiest individuals in Europe, US, Latin America?
Chinese culture is around materialism. From born to death its all about luck & getting rich, even when dead Chinese sends money to heaven, also house and cars etc from papers by burning them. When to open business, heading what direction, even door & windows, a fan or water source position believes can bring Wealth, prosperity. It's in the mindset that fuels the need to be rich. In contrasts Indonesian culture is family oriented, not money. Mangan ora mangan yg penting kumpul. It's okay to be starve than lost contact from family, something like that. Whatever the believes (religion) Indonesian sends prayers to the dead. Greed for many Indonesian tribes is forbidden. Enough is when you have clothes not so many clothes and so on
@@raphaelsimamora7087 chinese love their family so that is why they make money so that their family can live better and for the future of their family, indonesians on the other hand do not care about their family or their family's future that is why they do not earn enough money for their family well being.
@@kimeli yes that's what i said. Chinese care or love is about money, materialism. The future is about money. You can even send money, car, house to heaven Indonesian only thinks that gave roof on your head is enough, have cloth on your body, enough to eat and so on. Not thinking wealth or prosperity. Materialism is provide in heaven they believes by sending prayers. Many Indonesian believes that greed brings bad luck to themselves, society & Environmentally
There is just something in these Chinese that makes most them successful in whenever part of the country they reside, be it life philosophy or outlook in life. Here in the Philippines most of the oligarchs and influential business people are Filipino-Chinese also, they outnumber rich expats that heavily invests here.
They are fascinating group of people. Their culture is so successful in Indonesia. I love their culture and seen them as beautiful. We blend so well oftentimes I was surprised finding out someone is Chindo. However seeing how closed their community in some cases, I worry that their loyalty is not for our nation, but to a foreign power. I was happy proven wrong so many times.
They got the formula right! Diligent ,hardworking and cunning. mainly thru Increased migration and increase the numbers then ,Support fellow Chinese businesses, get into politics and again support the own people. Good teamwork.
Stop making this kind of controversial video theme. Many indonesians are still uneducated so if they watched this video, their initials reaction will be jealousy
theres no such things as Chinese-Indonesians, we are not Malaysia, if that kind of things existed then there will be Javanese-Indonesians, Sundanese-Indonesians and so on you clearly dont understand about "Bangsa Indonesia" concept, the tittle is kinda stupid really 😑
@@ViroValentza yeah i know but the terms they mention as CHINESE INDONESIAN is stupid its kinda put a wall between the other indonesian ethnic, as tionghoa descent myself i feel offended being called CHINESE INDONESIAN this kind of terms made me feels like im another different species in my own country
They are hardworker and prioritize education first for their children. That's why they become so successful Hardwork and education is prooven to be effective on pumping quality of life.
I'd say it is the confucianism that instils such virtues (respecting elderly, working hard and enriching one's knowledge, etc) in Chinese, Japanese and Korean cultures.
@@alexlee2765 im from batak ethnicity from north sumatra. If you learn how batak live 100 years ago, it's even worst than japanese during isolationism era and our quality of life mostly similiar to 1st generation poor chinese who fleed to indonesia due to communism in mainland china. Border closed, educations not exist, people's income is low and every resource was deployed for war against the dutch. This makes people's live mostly below poverty line and mortality rate is quite high. But when isolationism over because of christianity spreaded by german missionary, Inger Ludwing Nomensen, Batak people began embracing education. Every parents works very hard to earn money so that their children could get education as high as possible. From this hardwork, their quality of life also improved drasticaly. 100 years ago, batak was known as the ethnicity with backward mentality. But now, Batak people is one among very few ethnicity in Indonesia that hold so much political power. Lots of important position in the government were filled by batak people. The hardwork mentality also caused batak people who's moving to other provinces become mostly successful. I believe this what caused the chinese indonesian become so successful, because that's what makes my ethnicity become so successful
It was also most likely due to = - minority and immigrant mindset. Yes, even in the US. Indonesian descent there are richer than Chinese, though their number are far fewer. - both Dutch and Native used them as middle-men minority to handle money. Like the Jews in Europe. - Dutch colonial gave them many economic privileges to divide the society based on class because Natives and Chinese continuously help each other (Java War, Yellow War, Kongxi War). - New Order regime gave them many economic privileges, because they're less likely to challenge Soeharto rule because Soeharto also press the issue that 'Chinese' are not 'real indonesian'.
IQ and genetics is the main reason, sadly south east asian is just not as smart as east asians, they are at least smarter than south asians that's why they have better development than south asia
Hardworking + capital and most importantly monopoly is key to corner a country’s economy to a single group of people. With money you can control the politicians to mould policies to one’s favour. A super huge wealth disparity between the super rich Chinese and the rest will continue as the super rich will always keep most of their money overseas ie. Singapore leaving only the working capital at Indonesian banks. They are still the minorities. Things like the 1998 riots may still happen.
In Indonesia there is no difference, because all have become Indonesian citizens, and the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia only use Indonesian. Don't use mandarin, so please don't bring up the 1998 incident here... very sensitive. PANCASILA
Same goes in Malaya, they're partner with British (Indian end up being slave to British, getting same treatment like other indigenous people), thought right now, most chinese race can't accept this facts.. Only after Japan colonisation, then they help fight together for independence. Kinda like a joke, but who are we to change the history facts right?
and what about Henry Sy clan? why BA so confused about this? ask yourself how much does SM Corp dominate the PH market. Chindo is not come from one clan only like Henry Sy.
I never know when this term applies in Indonesia, Indonesia does not know chindo but Chinese, the word chindo is not like in Indonesia but Chinese is already a tribe in Indonesia
I know of quite a few chindos who went to school in Australia. One is an engineer who has never worked for anyone other than his wealthy dad's company in aus. One who married another rich chindo and has never worked a day in her life even after she was divorced from said rich chindo. Lives in aus despite her family in Indonesia. Another who has some how set up multiple businesses upon finishing studies in australia and going back to Indonesia. None of those people would ever acknowledge how much their generational wealth and their parents' capital have propped them up in life even when directly asked the question. There's even a chindo who went on an aussie cooking tv show and denied he had an advantage despite his mother being a famous chef in Indonesia and his brother being a judge on the indo version of the cooking show. Went to an expensive private school in aus and still went on the cooking show with some sob story about going without when he was young. This is such a contrast to my friend who is half native indo and half australian and has no such wealth or privilege despite growing up in Australia. Sad that chindos ive known and know of wont acknowlede their privilege especially when you think about how much wealth chindos control in Indonesia, much of which was historically made off of less advantaged native indonesians Tbf tho, the unwillingness to acknowledge privilege is not limited to chindos. It seems to be a human problem caused by wanting to appear as though you've worked hard and acted ethically and been treated equally to get to where you are. After all, we all want to believe we're a good person
In case you all didn't know, its all in the genes, that is why the whole of south east asia has the same dynamics of chinese elites, its not about that semi imaginary bamboo network, we are operating independently especially in the rural areas but in the end we still end up on top economically and even politically at least here in the philippines even if we forgot everything about chinese culture, ancestry and language, lets not make things too complicated and complex as everything about this phenomenon can be explained simply by [ RACE REALISM ]. P.S. sorry if a lot got offended but science is science even if it is not politically correct and the most important thing is respect for our fellow men regardless of abilities, just ask the old school singaporeans!
@@1986verity The best action that the native Malays or bumiputera is to improve their genes, this is very hard to do politically because it would require eugenics and artificial selection but there is a short cut if racial/national pride was to be put aside and that is promoting cross breeding with northern stock like White Jews, Europeans and North East Asians, this will dilute Malay DNA but if the children are reared with a strong Malay identity then in the end they will identify as Malay, just think of it as an upgrade like when modifying cars or breeding dogs and aquarium fishes where desirable traits are allowed to multiply while suppressing unwanted traits; or you can go the long way by Eugenics in which smart people of Malay stock are allowed to breed more while Malay people of less desirable traits are limited in their reproduction until you manage to purify the race with the desired traits although this would be unethical; the way that northerners got their abilities was with natural selection by being agrarian in a cold place with winters where high IQ which helps with planning, aggression and deferral/delay of satisfaction, delayed sexual and physical development/maturity and lessened promiscuity were naturally selected for survival and the survivors bred until the race achieved the IQ mean average we see today, it was a bloody process marked by starvation and violence that continued on a yearly/seasonal basis and something almost impossible to replicate in modern day tropical Malaysia. If the bumiputera were supported politically it would not be sustainable due to the nation not improving overall because it is still populated by the current inhabitants with their weaknesses and will just waste the governments money without improving the situation in the long term, Malaysia forcibly enforcing equality for the bumiputera is the wrong policy and will not achieve the desired results, meritocracy would be better and allowing the upper class to breed more until their genes permeate the general population increasing the IQ mean average of the nation as a whole would be a more acceptable solution; a similar process happened in Europe during the black death where the genetically dumber [but still smarter than tropical races] peasants died and the smarter upper classes survived, some of their children replaced the niche the of the now dead peasants and became the next group of peasants but they carried the genes of their smarter than smart noble parents making the continent as a whole smarter due to the mean average IQ increasing even more from their already high IQ to begin with and in turn helping end the feudal system with greater labor rights.
The Chinese who immigrated to other countries were mostly opposed to the new feudal system. Most were big merchants and mandarins under the old regime. And they come with assets, available trading platforms. So economic dominance is not surprising. And everone shouldn't be racist either.
My compatriot Indonesians of Chinese origin are more Indonesian that anybody thing, they have truly blended into our society as citizens of Indonesia. Some youngwr generationa aee more fluent in Indonesian than Mandarin even they can speak fluently in local dialects such javanesw, sundanese etc throughout the other islands. The top richest Indonesian of chinese descendant is the Hartono family whp owns Djarum and BCA , beside being the biggest tax payer in our country he employs hundred of thousands of people. And one of the top job providers in the country. The Astra is another example, pak william suryadjaya is known in our country that he employs proffesional people to run his company, non religious or race bias and created hundred thousand of jobs. In essence they are all Indonesian citizens.
Chinese immigrants are self selected to be very driven, hard working and entrepreneurial. They dominated the locals because the locals didn’t have the same motivations. Chinese are also very smart and immigrants are self selected to be smarter than the average Chinese.
im glad u make this video. Many indonesian claim that malaysia is a chinese country, but statistically only 63% of our wealth is control by chinese in malaysia (21% chinese population), in reality in indonesia (3% chinese population) itself more than 85% of their wealth is control by chinese. This is due to the fact that Malaysian constitution grant a special rights to protect malay / pribumi (indigenous) so that wealth can more equally distribute among races. The New Economy Policy that introduces by government so that one day malay / pribumi can have at least 40-50% country wealth. This however hasd pros and cons, i can see that indonesian chinese is more patriotic and they more like to indentify themselves as indonesian, as compared to malaysian chinese they more likely to identify as malaysian chinese, even some of them not really fluent in speaking malay language.
Malaysia practices tolerance amongst different races, whereas in Indonesia, it’s all about assimilation. Chinese Indonesians in the past were forced to assimilate and forget their original roots and mother tongue, to the extent of changing their Chinese names to Indonesian sounding names. Even though they seem more patriotic in terms of their national identity and national language, it wasn’t always that way. These days, the wealthier neighbourhoods in Indonesia are very much dominated by the Chinese Indonesians and rich foreign expats. However, in Malaysia, most of the wealthy neighbourhoods have all races living together in the same area. Therefore, for me, patriotism is more about the tolerance and unity of it’s people, that’s what builds a strong nation. In Malaysia, we are proud of both our Malaysian nationality and also our ethnicity.
@@aNt1P414tAO Its not force, they given choice to choose Indonesia or china. the one who choose Indonesia can stay and become indonesian. the one who choose china will be send back out of the country. its simply a choice.. different with Malaysia who rank 2 in the most racist country in the world with the apartheid system who differentiate between its citizens. because malay citizen have more right and privileged compared to non malay. its clearly structural racism embedded in the law.. thats why their Chinese citizens are less patriotic since they are discriminated by the country system.
@@TheExtraterrestrial99 yes, mass killings of communist.. executed by suharto and sponsored by US, almost 1 million people killed most of them are communist party member which usually consist of farmer and hard labour. and your point?
@@TheExtraterrestrial99 yes it happen, executed by suharto and sponsored by US, almost 1 million people death most of them are communist party member which usually consist of farmer and hard labour. and your point?
Ada beberapa kalangan China yang menganggap orang-orang Pribumi sebagai tak pantas, padahal yang membeli dan membesarkan bisnis mereka adalah orang tempatan. Bila orang tempatan tidak membeli barang di Toko mereka adakah mereka menjadi konglomerat?
@@citizenoftheworld7899 Saying that I am not really rich sounds like I am a rich person that is not at the level of a billionaire, Poor suits me better 👌
It's also a nightmare for ordinary Indonesian as well. The gdp didn't grow much while the politicians became richer and richer day by day. Seems you are quite fond of the killer.
@@Felix-dv9wn Masa? 😀 Chindo jaman suharto selalu dapat kredit bank, native mana dapat 😀 Karena itu kalian boleh punya rumah bagus dan juga bisnis. Saat ini sudah ok Semua dapat 👍 Ada KUR dari bank pemerintah, hanya dengan jaminan bpkb motor dapat 15-25 juta 👍 dan bertahap naik sampai 300 juta. Bahkan kredit 1 M - 10 M dari bank swasta sudah banyak.
You should listen to what the Indonesian defense minister said about the Chinese compare to what he said about the pirates of the west that came to plunder and massacre their peoples.
@MSD Group List of 200 richest people in Vietnam's stock exchange. The richest Hoa ethnic businessman in Vietnam only ranks 62 (Trầm Trọng Ngân, the son of Trầm Bê). Out of the richest 100 people, only 3 are of Hoa ethnic. (Trầm Trọng Ngân, Đặng Huỳnh Ức My, Trần Lệ Nguyên). Trần family and Đặng family used to rank higher, but now Trần Kim Thành only ranks 119. As i just checked the trend, their influence is becoming smaller. This is still a great achievement, compared to other minor ethnics. Hoa ethnic is the only minority that fair well compared to the major ethnic Kinh. But to say that Hoa (Chinese diaspora) control 41% of Vietnam's economy is ridiculously groundless. Of course this cannot tell all the story. Some may say that Chinese businessmen often hide their assets. But this is true to other billionaires too. In terms of business fields. Hoa people don't control that much either. The biggest influence they have is now in cooking oil business, by Trân family, founder of Kido company. But it is very small compared to the economy. As Vietnam is rapidly industrialized, Hoa people do not take much part in this major push. The top billionaires are pushing this process, and they are all Kinh Vietnamese, like Pham Nhat Vuong in automobile, Trần Đình Long in Steel and electronic industry, Nguyễn Đăng Quang in consumer products etc. And people of Chinese origin are not allowed to enter the political apparatus in Vietnam
Chinese will never dominate Indonesia, now Natives have advanced in terms of the economy, many Indigenous young people have also reached a good stage of wealth and now Natives are also good at using various platforms such as youtube, tiktok and others to earn money and now there are many who are successful from that apart from the formal sector and technology, although now the Chinese are also trying to get experts, especially in the field of social media such as tiktok and youtube, but most of those who are successful there are still Natives and I see them using methods like they would showing his Indonesianness such as speaking Javanese and other things to win hearts, and most of them succeed even though I myself sometimes feel it's just a trick to get followers, but don't worry now the business has been widely held by Native Indonesians, just waiting for the time we will become rich and not dominated by them
Influencer media itu hanya 0, sekian persen dari ekonomi negara, itu juga cuma bisnis ecek, yg gak punya add value, ekonomi negara itu diangkat oleh manufaktur, punya industri manufaktur yg maju adalah satu2nya cara utk jadi negara maju. indonesia gak punya industri manufaktur yg maju, yg ada hanya industri berteknologi rendah spt makanan dan minuman dan pengolahan komoditas alam, dan 90% industri rendah indo itu dimiliki oleh chindo. pribumi gak mungkin bisa melampaui chindo klw gak punya kesadaran,ibarat org sakit gak bakal bisa sehat kalau bahkan gak sadar apa penyakitnya. Kekurangan pribumi itu pemalas dan iq rendah, seumur hidup gw malah belum pernah bertemu dng pribumi yg punya ambisi utk jd kaya, klw punya pun hanya sebatas awang, kalau sudah kayapun gak bakal bisa naik kekayaannya, kalau ada pun itu outlier 1 diantara 1000 pebisnis pribumi
I am Indonesian people are amazed by Vietnam because it sided with the indigenous people from all aspects, especially in the economy, this will prevent the capitalization of the national economy from being owned by only a few groups.
Chinese Indoensian is 100% Indonesian! They are not Chinese people, they are Indonesian, talking about origin, if it's the perspective hence we can say all of mongoloid Indonesian originally from South China
@@danganrompa2626 After the collapse of the Republic of Vietnam in 1975, about 4% of the Vietnamese population was Vietnamese of Chinese origin, including more than 1.5 million overseas Chinese living mainly in Saigon, and only about 300,000 people of Vietnamese-Chinese descent live in the North The problem of the Chinese was further aggravated when they hung the Chinese Flag and Mao Zedong's picture in the Saigon area. In January 1976, the Government of Vietnam ordered the Chinese in the South to register for Vietnamese citizenship. The Chinese in Saigon held a demonstration to demand Chinese citizenship. These things make the Vietnamese government worry about the risk of disorder in the country both from within and from outside and see overseas Chinese as a force in Vietnam and ready to join hands with China to wreak havoc. Those who continued to register as Chinese citizens then lost their jobs and reduced food standards. Later that year, all Chinese-language newspapers were closed, followed by Chinese schools. By 1982, due to economic difficulties and hostile political relations between Vietnam and China, the overseas Chinese in the South crossed the border by sea and land to escape to a third country. By 1989, the number of ethnic Chinese in Vietnam had decreased from 1.8 million in 1975 to 900,000. This is a rare exception compared to other Southeast Asian countries: the ethnic Chinese people in terms of residence, language, education... have been almost assimilated by the Vietnamese. The economy is in the hand of Vietnamese. The ethnic Chinese can play only a small role in the Vietnamese economy.
Fix your map Taiwan is an Austronesian nation. Never been part of the Han Chinese. They were occupied by the Qing. Ceded to Japan. And Asylum haven by the Kuomintangs.
98% of Taiwanese are Han Chinese, some of them are Quanzhou, Zhangzhou and Hakka who came from Fujian and Guangdong provinces during the Ming and Qing dynasties, they call them “本省人”; the other part is from 1948-1949 who followed the Kuomintang, they come from various provinces in China, they call them “外省人”. Fix your knowledge. By the way, “本省”means this province, “外省”means other province.
@@user-yl7ec7nf7j LOL Taiwan was an asylum haven for the Chiang Kai-Shek and the Kuomintang. Before that it was under Japan. Qing is a Manchurian Monarchy. Taiwan was never been part of the Han dynasties. That's Fact! Even if Han Chinese migrated to Taiwan. That does not make them part of Han empire. They move out to seek better opportunities. Not to colonized and claim the territory for the defunct Han empire. Work on your comprehension.
@@Thudothwacker something missing, taiwan is austronesian native island, chinese settlement started in 12th century, and then became spain and dutch colony in 16th century, and then they got kicked out by ming loyalist and became tungning kingdom... before occupied by qing dynasty, took over by japan, and finaly became republic of china. Work on your comperhension
@@asdd9300 LOL Chinese fishermen settle in Penghu island for its rich fishing ground only. Not for the Ming dynasty territorial gain. 12th century Chinese trader and fishermen start visiting Taiwan. Again for *better* *opportunities* . If you *read* and *understand* my earlier post. The same motivation Chinese moved in southeast asia. In 16th century Koxinga, founder of Tungning Kingdom occupies only a small portion of south western Taiwan. *Take* *note* *not* *the* *whole* *island* ! They used this as a convenient military base to reclaim Ming domains back from the Qing in the mainland. The same tactic of Chiang Kai-Shek applied after 1948. Koxinga brutally suppress the Taiwanese indigenous. The Bastard son of Zheng Jing surrender to the Qing. In turn Qing ceded the islands to Japan in late 19th century. Ming dynasty was no more when Koxinga escaped the Qing wrath to south western part of Taiwan. I hope with this concise history lesson. Will liberate your corrupted brain from CCP and Sinocentric falsehoods. Independence for the Taiwan Republic!
Cool content, but if i can give my feedback, its better to change a little bit of the cover, because " chinese ethnicity" is still a sensitive issue in indonesia. To be honest, "how chinese took over indonesia" really easy to misunderstand 🙏
we are imigrants.. thats the main reason. being poor and descriminated in the past, left us with no choice but to work hard and find any possible way to gain financial freedom for us and our children. that is the reason. most native people that live in their native land (around the world) felt entitled to what they have and living like "clouds" just drifting away according to where the wind takes them. a good example is the people in southern states of USA. they aren't native to the land but they think they are.. and felt entitled to their land and wealth, not striving to go forward. the result?? well one of the poorest states are in the south, so yeah..
